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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Bluto on July 26, 2007, 01:41:45 PM
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most of us use machines, at least some of the time
so whats your favorite machines?
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i'm not a fan of machines at all. the only machines i use are leg press for calves, leg curl machine, leg ext machine, pulley's for tri extensions and abs and pulldowns for back. Otherwise i use free weights for everything.
so i can't really say i have a favorite.
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i just used a plate loaded Nautilus Nitro pulldown machine today today to start off back and it was awesome.
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i just used a plate loaded Nautilus Nitro pulldown machine today today to start off back and it was awesome.
this one?
(http://nautilus.com/media/products/Nautilus/Strength/LargerView/nls_NSS3LATP.main_lv_v1_m56577569831057130.jpg)
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oh you said plate loaded
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the handles are just like that but yeah it's plate loaded, awesome machine, let's you rotate your hands when you come down.
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Hammer Strength Iso Row. Wide grip, close grip, seated or standing, I think it's a great machine:
(http://www.olympicfitnessclub.com/images/iso-row.jpg)
Freemotion Dual Cable Cross. 2 individual stacks and the arms go up/down and in/out. Can get some great angles with that and pretty much do anything on it.
(http://www.freemotionfitness.com/wcsstore/Freemotion/images/catalog/GZFM6024.jpg)
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hack squat machine
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FreeMotion Lat pulldown and Squat
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Icarian side laterals machine and Icarian dip machine!
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hammer strength decline bench.
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the barbell ;D
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the barbell ;D
Groan
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sex swing
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sex swing
yes but with a woman in it not a man ;D
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Standing calf raise or the Freemotion lat pulldown.
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the barbell ;D
wb WOOO! where you been?!
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Over the last moth with my Bi injury i have found a whole new range of machines that i didn't even know my gym had :P. I can't do BB rows atm but have found a couple of great rowing machines that i quite like. I have also been using a couple of chest ones as well but i don't quite get the same feel from those as a BB or DB's.
The one machine that i will use as a rule though is a seated shoulder press, but this is mainly due to an old football injury, it just gives my shoulders the stabilisation that they need when going above the head :).
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I like the seated tricep pushdown, the one with the belt to keep you strapped in. I start heavy(for me) and do sets of 8 with only a rest to change the pin taking off one plate per set, about 7 sets total, with the last set being 40 pounds and going to failure. Takes about 3 minutes and gives me a great pump and leaves me sore. After that, I can do tricep pushdowns with a very light weight and feel every rep.
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I like the seated tricep pushdown, the one with the belt to keep you strapped in. I start heavy(for me) and do sets of 8 with only a rest to change the pin taking off one plate per set, about 7 sets total, with the last set being 40 pounds and going to failure. Takes about 3 minutes and gives me a great pump and leaves me sore. After that, I can do tricep pushdowns with a very light weight and feel every rep.
i like that one too but my gym only got one with mag going up to 270 lbs i would prefer one where you can add real plates
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I like the seated tricep pushdown, the one with the belt to keep you strapped in. I start heavy(for me) and do sets of 8 with only a rest to change the pin taking off one plate per set, about 7 sets total, with the last set being 40 pounds and going to failure. Takes about 3 minutes and gives me a great pump and leaves me sore. After that, I can do tricep pushdowns with a very light weight and feel every rep.
Dip machine, a Dillet favorite.
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Hammer-Strength has some good machines, but "honestly" these machines gives you a feel of "more strength than you truly have". (example: 1 arm rowing with 330 lbs for 12 + reps, dumbells around 200 lbs,
a big difference...)
On most of them you can load much higher amount of weight than you can use with free weights.
But, i like the motion..going from a nearly perfect stretch to a nearly perfect contraction.
My favorites where the incline bench press, the iso-row (low-row), and lat-pulldown. You can do all movements with two arms or unilateral (with one arm).
The optimal workout always include some kind of free weight training + good machines.
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Hammer-Strength has some good machines, but "honestly" these machines gives you a feel of "more strength than you truly have". (example: 1 arm rowing with 330 lbs for 12 + reps, dumbells around 200 lbs,
a big difference...)
Some spend waaaaay too much time worrying about whether the weight feels the same as free weights.
Hint: it doesn't matter. What matters is how it hits the muscles, and making relative improvement on whatever form of resistance is used.
IMO hammer and other machines are often more effective than free weights. I spend no time at all worrying about whether it's the same resistance, nor do my muscles care as they get fried on one of these machines. Sergio said same, that the machines were more effective than weights, for those here who claim that free weights "are always better".
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Groan
excited to see me? ;D ;D ;D
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excited to see me? ;D ;D ;D
I don't mind. :D
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thought so
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everything hammerstrengt has for back is great.
the gym i train at now dont have it though >:(
should make a complaint.
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pullover machine
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Some spend waaaaay too much time worrying about whether the weight feels the same as free weights.
Hint: it doesn't matter. What matters is how it hits the muscles, and making relative improvement on whatever form of resistance is used.
Sergio said same, that the machines were more effective than weights, for those here who claim that free weights "are always better".
I doubt Sergio Oliva had the Bowflex in mind when he made that statement Pumpster.
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I doubt Sergio Oliva had the Bowflex in mind when he made that statement Pumpster.
Anyone with actual BB experience and training knows they all work, just as gh15 suggests a bowflex and dumbbells. Oliva was obviously open-minded when it came to training methods and seems to have been willing to try anything new that worked, unlike some here.
Here's a pic of bmacsys' swimmer look on getbig LOL This is what happens when all free time's spent typing on getbig. A bowflex would help change that but would take actual work he shows absolutely no signs of being able to handle.
Make sure to stick with training contributions on to the training board. Your trolling lacks sufficient wit or humor to make the posts interesting. ;D
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For the sake of BB'ing information and experience, I ask Pumpster to give us all his own personal BowFlex training program. Help to clear up how a BowFlex should be used. I, and others, have given personal training programs many times over. So maybe the mod would like to share his training plan with us?
The resistance and results a muscle gets is not always the same with free weights vs a machine. Even using a BB and/or DB on the same exercise will produce different dynamics with regards to muscle and strength development. Neither machine or free weight workout are the same or better than the other, just different.
If that statement is true and Sergio did say that machines were more effective than weights, than good for Sergio. He could get massive by waving milk cartons around. Machines might have been more effective for him but not for most people. At least have a combination of both free weights and machine for a well rounded workout. Good Luck.
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For the sake of BB'ing information and experience, I ask Pumpster to give us all his own personal BowFlex training program. Help to clear up how a BowFlex should be used. I, and others, have given personal training programs many times over. So maybe the mod would like to share his training plan with us?
The resistance and results a muscle gets is not always the same with free weights vs a machine. Even using a BB and/or DB on the same exercise will produce different dynamics with regards to muscle and strength development. Neither machine or free weight workout are the same or better than the other, just different.
If that statement is true and Sergio did say that machines were more effective than weights, than good for Sergio. He could get massive by waving milk cartons around. Machines might have been more effective for him but not for most people. At least have a combination of both free weights and machine for a well rounded workout. Good Luck.
JPM now informing us on Sergio, without knowing any details hahaahahah the arrogance of JPM is great i love it. Just to clarify what JPM doesn't know, Sergio specifically said the machines were more effective, not equivalent LOL try to get it right just once man.
Also it's quite clear to me that gh15's assessments >>> JPM's. In fact they're not even in the same sentence.
As far as providing a program, just suggesting that throws JPM's remaining judgement into question. JPM should explain to us why a different program would be needed for different forms of resistance..Quite bizarre. ;D
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Just asked if Pumpster would be kind enough to give us all a sample of his BowFlex personal workout plan. Helping to explain the benefits of said machine. Did not mean to start Pumpsters personal meltdown. If he's too sensitive, than that's the way he is. Good luck.
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JPM now informing us on Sergio, without knowing any details hahaahahah the arrogance of JPM is great i love it. Just to clarify what JPM doesn't know, Sergio specifically said the machines were more effective, not equivalent LOL try to get it right just once man.
Also it's quite clear to me that gh15's assessments >>> JPM's. In fact they're not even in the same sentence.
As far as providing a program, just suggesting that throws JPM's remaining judgement into question. JPM should explain to us why a different program would be needed for different forms of resistance..Quite bizarre. ;D
the answer is relatively simple, bowflex does not have enough resistance for me to train legs... instead of doing sets of 10-12 as i would with free weights i would sets of 20 or more on a bowflex... this might provide a good workout but i would certainly have to modify my program
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the answer is relatively simple, bowflex does not have enough resistance for me to train legs... instead of doing sets of 10-12 as i would with free weights i would sets of 20 or more on a bowflex... this might provide a good workout but i would certainly have to modify my program
Depends on how much is on the machine.
The amount of resistance is not the same issue as whether the resistance is viable.
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Depends on how much is on the machine.
The amount of resistance is not the same issue as whether the resistance is viable.
to some degree it is....
if there is not enough, then it's not viable for me! :D
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Anyone with actual BB experience and training knows they all work, just as gh15 suggests a bowflex and dumbbells. Oliva was obviously open-minded when it came to training methods and seems to have been willing to try anything new that worked, unlike some here.
Here's a pic of bmacsys' swimmer look on getbig LOL This is what happens when all free time's spent typing on getbig. A bowflex would help change that but would take actual work he shows absolutely no signs of being able to handle.
Make sure to stick with training contributions on to the training board. Your trolling lacks sufficient wit or humor to make the posts interesting. ;D
Show us your "Body by Bowflex" Mr. Coward. No way you will because it will expose you once and for all.
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bowflex does not have enough resistance for me to train legs.
It has enough resistance for the "MIGHTY PUMPSTER"! ahahahah ;)
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It has enough resistance for the "MIGHTY PUMPSTER"! ahahahah ;)
No more trolling posts in training for the next month. Spend the time training this time.
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Just asked if Pumpster would be kind enough to give us all a sample of his BowFlex personal workout plan. Helping to explain the benefits of said machine. Did not mean to start Pumpsters personal meltdown. If he's too sensitive, than that's the way he is. Good luck.
JPM's inability to explain bizarre theories speaks volumes once again.
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Show us your "Body by Bowflex" Mr. Coward. No way you will because it will expose you once and for all.
Thing is i actually look like a BB, am too secure in what i've built mentally and physically to bother LOL just as the owner of a sports car doesn't always have to race it. A while ago bmacsys in all seriousness proposed meeting on a street corner "to settle it" LOL Essentially we're dealing with thugs here.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=163458.25
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No more trolling posts in training for the next month. Spend the time training this time.
you shouldn't time people out because they dissagree with you... he wasn't trolling... he was teasing, there was no foul language, racism or other non-tolerated attacks
what's up with you? this is not cool... your board sucks because you do not let people express themselves
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you shouldn't time people out because they dissagree with you... he wasn't trolling... he was teasing, there was no foul language, racism or other non-tolerated attacks
what's up with you? this is not cool... your board sucks because you do not let people express themselves
It's not my board, and you should spend time contributing here instead of trolling and bitching about it. Either that, leave or you're next.
You're unfunny except to yourself, and don't seem to have much training info to add. Trab noticed the same thing about you, you're annoying with very little in the way of positives. Stop obsessing over me the way you do (it's embarassing, i didn't want to let you know in public) and add something more interesting than whining.
I deleted the name-calling posts because they have no place here, which of course went right over your head and didn't occur to you. ;D
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It's not my board, and you should spend time contributing here instead of trolling and bitching about it. Either that, leave or you're next.
You're unfunny except to yourself, and don't seem to have much training info to add. Trab noticed the same thing about you, you're annoying with very little in the way of positives. Stop obsessing over me the way you do (it's embarassing, i didn't want to let you know in public) and add something more interesting than whining.
I deleted the name-calling posts because they have no place here, which of course went right over your head and didn't occur to you. ;D
that's the same trab that was banned from the pet board in july right?
you mean the pressure washer who got all offended that i thought he was hilarious for using steroids to pressure wash...
c'mon man, you can get better allies than that
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that's the same trab that was banned from the pet board in july right?
you mean the pressure washer who got all offended that i thought he was hilarious for using steroids to pressure wash...
c'mon man, you can get better allies than that
Focus on training posts before i have to remind Ron that you're trolling again.
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(http://www.olympicfitnessclub.com/images/iso-row.jpg)
agree, this is the best machine in the gym imo. You dont even need to go heavy if combined with partial deads and rows. 8-12 rep range is perfect.
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pumpster had an abuse of power moment
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pumpster had an abuse of power moment
Pumpster is one of the biggest trolls on Getbig bar NONE.
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Pumpster is one of the biggest trolls on Getbig bar NONE.
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pumpster had an abuse of power moment
Its his only reason to keep living.
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Hammer Strength Iso Row. Wide grip, close grip, seated or standing, I think it's a great machine:
(http://www.olympicfitnessclub.com/images/iso-row.jpg)
Freemotion Dual Cable Cross. 2 individual stacks and the arms go up/down and in/out. Can get some great angles with that and pretty much do anything on it.
(http://www.freemotionfitness.com/wcsstore/Freemotion/images/catalog/GZFM6024.jpg)
I love this hammer strenght machine. I've been using it for 3 months and my back is coming up the best it ever has. You can really feel the muscle working.
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Soda machine... even if I have to drink diet
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pumpster had an abuse of power moment
that aside (i feel your pain)... i have to agree with the previous poster who put up a picture of the hammer strength rowing "machine"... i also love the hammer strength pull over and pull down
you can tell this company has done it's homework because these machine really let you go balls to the wall and get in some serious lifting that was previously only available through free weights.
part of the reason is torque... when you use free weights the plates spin on the bar (slowly for the most part), this is torque escaping during the movement (think curling on a free bar compared to a locked in bar), this protects that joints and especially the wrists
if you only use cables and such on back day you may find that your wrists get sore... this is caused in part by that torque (in part by gripping and also potentially but strap use)... hammer strength machines prevent this