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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Pet Board => Topic started by: Hedgehog on August 03, 2007, 05:40:13 PM
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A tragedy.
What kind of dogs did he have?
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hmm. . . maybe i should have started a thread identifying the kind of dog. wait a minute . . .I did.
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Think they were the little fluffy cute variety.
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hmm. . . maybe i should have started a thread identifying the kind of dog. wait a minute . . .I did.
I thought you were discussing some new FILA shoe. :-[
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I thought you were discussing some new FILA shoe. :-[
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they're saying the dogs didn't kill him per se . . . apparently, there was some kind of confrontation, and then the stress triggered a heart attack. poor bastard. what a way to go.
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thats what I read
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my cat could probably startle the person the same way
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thats what I read
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my cat could probably startle the person the same way
i really doubt that the stress induced by 175 lbs dogs is in any way equivalent to that induced by a cat . . . unless you're talking about a lion or something.
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i really doubt that the stress induced by 175 lbs dogs is in any way equivalent to that induced by a cat . . . unless you're talking about a lion or something.
I guess you've never met a stalking kitty during the middle of the night while you're holding a glass of milk
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I guess you've never met a stalking kitty during the middle of the night while you're holding a glass of milk
So this is the first I have heard of this.. Did the dog bite the guy???
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That is bizarre. Why would the dogs caretaker be afraid of the dog? Maybe the relationship over the 2 yrs wasn't so good. Either way, sad story.
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they're saying the dogs didn't kill him per se . . . apparently, there was some kind of confrontation, and then the stress triggered a heart attack. poor bastard. what a way to go.
Are you saying they were so cute his heart couldn't take it?
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Are you saying they were so cute his heart couldn't take it?
No..what he is saying is that dogs are pack animals.
When the leader of the pack( a human) shows some kind of weakness( having a heart attack for example) the second dog in command will try and take over the lead...the rest of the dogs will follow the new leader by biting/killing the former leader..i know it sound stupid but i know there are several people in my country who got killed by their own dogs after a seizure of some kind..it triggers the dogs nature i guess.
But in all fairness ..it is better to have a heart attack with a room full of mini Chihuahua's then with a couple of Fila's thats for sure.. ;)
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No..what he is saying is that dogs are pack animals.
When the leader of the pack( a human) shows some kind of weakness( having a heart attack for example) the second dog in command will try and take over the lead...the rest of the dogs will follow the new leader by biting/killing the former leader..i know it sound stupid but i know there are several people in my country who got killed by their own dogs after a seizure of some kind..it triggers the dogs nature i guess.
But in all fairness ..it is better to have a heart attack with a room full of mini Chihuahua's then with a couple of Fila's thats for sure.. ;)
That all depends on how strong the dogs pack drive is. There is a similar situation with personal protection dogs, and even sometimes schutzhund dogs, where if the owner falls to the ground, the dog will change its attack from the decoy(or live example for real life situation) to the actual owner/handler. It is bizarre but it can happen. If this is the case the dog is trained to redirect its prey drive, but if the dogs pack drive is high enough, it is never an issue. But what Euro-monster said is 100% true and CAN happen, although it really depends on how strong of a grasp you have over your dogs mind and how well it respects the heirarchy, and also the pack drive as I stated. Every dog is different
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Sounds like someone has watched a little too much Cesar Millan.
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That all depends on how strong the dogs pack drive is. There is a similar situation with personal protection dogs, and even sometimes schutzhund dogs, where if the owner falls to the ground, the dog will change its attack from the decoy(or live example for real life situation) to the actual owner/handler. It is bizarre but it can happen. If this is the case the dog is trained to redirect its prey drive, but if the dogs pack drive is high enough, it is never an issue. But what Euro-monster said is 100% true and CAN happen, although it really depends on how strong of a grasp you have over your dogs mind and how well it respects the heirarchy, and also the pack drive as I stated. Every dog is different
You know, I've heard of that with shutzhund dogs, but I've never seen it. I have seen lower level dogs (one specific dog who was just learning to take the bite sleeve) bite thehandlers/owners pretty bad though as the dog became overly excited. I have always attributed that to stage of training (ie the dog was not ready to take the sleeve and owners thought it was)....
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You know, I've heard of that with shutzhund dogs, but I've never seen it. I have seen lower level dogs (one specific dog who was just learning to take the bite sleeve) bite thehandlers/owners pretty bad though as the dog became overly excited. I have always attributed that to stage of training (ie the dog was not ready to take the sleeve and owners thought it was)....
Well I guess with anything once the dog is taught otherwise, the issue is solved. Most dogs that go into serious bite work are bred responsibly so I guess you can expect good performance and the breeders know beforehand that their temperment is sound for that type of work, so the occasion of this happening is low. I'm guessing its much more common in protection during simulation training.
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That all depends on how strong the dogs pack drive is. There is a similar situation with personal protection dogs, and even sometimes schutzhund dogs, where if the owner falls to the ground, the dog will change its attack from the decoy(or live example for real life situation) to the actual owner/handler. It is bizarre but it can happen. If this is the case the dog is trained to redirect its prey drive, but if the dogs pack drive is high enough, it is never an issue. But what Euro-monster said is 100% true and CAN happen, although it really depends on how strong of a grasp you have over your dogs mind and how well it respects the heirarchy, and also the pack drive as I stated. Every dog is different
I know what you said is true because i have seen it with my own eyes.
A dog turning against his owner on a sleeve attack!
Every dog is different but you have to admit that most of these storys of dog packs turning on their owner/handler are of the Mollosser variety. Don't get me wrong i am a mollosser owner and lover myself but thtas just the facts( at least in the part of the world where i live).
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I know what you said is true because i have seen it with my own eyes.
A dog turning against his owner on a sleeve attack!
Every dog is different but you have to admit that most of these storys of dog packs turning on their owner/handler are of the Mollosser variety. Don't get me wrong i am a mollosser owner and lover myself but thtas just the facts( at least in the part of the world where i live).
Have you seen the video clip of the European police dogs showing the dogs doing various training exercises--like dragging the driver of a van out the open window, taking a man in a bite suit down, jumping over a car to knock a guy down. Its about a 6 minute video thats circulated the internet for the past few years. Anyway, in that video, one of the dogs nails the handler's hand and was pretty reluctant to let go.
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That all depends on how strong the dogs pack drive is. There is a similar situation with personal protection dogs, and even sometimes schutzhund dogs, where if the owner falls to the ground, the dog will change its attack from the decoy(or live example for real life situation) to the actual owner/handler. It is bizarre but it can happen. If this is the case the dog is trained to redirect its prey drive, but if the dogs pack drive is high enough, it is never an issue. But what Euro-monster said is 100% true and CAN happen, although it really depends on how strong of a grasp you have over your dogs mind and how well it respects the heirarchy, and also the pack drive as I stated. Every dog is different
What is Schutzhund?
(from schaferhund.com)
Schutzhund is a German word meaning "protection dog". It refers to a sport that focuses on developing and evaluating those traits in dogs that make them even more useful and happier companions to their owners.
Schutzhund work concentrates on three parts. Many familiar with obedience work of the American Kennel Club's affiliates will recognize the first two parts, tracking and obedience. The Schutzhund standards for the third part, protection work, are similar to those for dogs in police work.
While dogs of other breeds are also admitted to Schutzhund trials, this breed evaluation test was developed specifically for the German Shepherd Dog. Schutzhund is intended to demonstrate the dog's intelligence and utility. As a working trial, Schutzhund measures the dog's mental stability, endurance, structural efficiencies, ability to scent, willingness to work, courage and trainability.
This working dog sport offers an opportunity for dog owners to train their dog and compete with each other for recognition of both the handler's ability to train and the dog's ability to perform as required. It is a sport enjoyed by persons of varied professions, who join together in a camaraderie born of their common interest in working with their dogs. Persons of all ages and conditions of life - even those with significant disabilities - enjoy Schutzhund as a sport. Often, it is a family sport.
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What is Schutzhund?
(from schaferhund.com)
Schutzhund is a German word meaning "poops a lot".
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Crap!
I just got an email, ...seems the assistant that was killed is a friend of mine. He was a really cool guy too.
His name was Jacob Adams, and we had worked together on many shows.
He was a screenwriter as well as an actor, and a consumate gentleman. We had worked together on so many shows. There was a time when film production in TO was so busy, we'd be working back to back shows running from one film set to the other. I remember once we were both booked on a 3 day night shoot... a Nelson Mandela MOW. The final night of that shoot we wrapped at 3am, ...and both of us were booked to work on The Hurricane later that same day. Jacob lucked out with a call time of 14:30hrs, but my call time was 07:30hrs. He let me crash at his place to save me the 2 hr commute in & out of the city, allowing me to add an extra 2 hrs of beauty sleep. He gave me his bed til 6:30, while he took the couch for 3 hrs. Then he got a good 6 hrs of shut eye before starting his day. We met up on set later in the afternoon.
I don't know how I'm going to break the news to a few people. Jacob is gonna be sadly missed. :'(
RIP Jacob!
http://omg.yahoo.com/man-mauled-at-rhames-house-identified/news/1489 (http://omg.yahoo.com/man-mauled-at-rhames-house-identified/news/1489)
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He was a screenwriter as well as an actor,
hmm . . . so that's what they're calling dog-sitters these days.
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What is the need for a dog breed such as this? Epic tough guy wannabe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fila_Brasileiro
The Fila needs a confident, experienced owner who can properly curb the breed's natural aggression towards strangers. Because of its aggression, it is not well suited to busy households which have many guests. Such aggression is instinctive in Filas, so much so that the Brazilian breed standard advises show judges not to touch the dog. [2] However, the FCI standard allows for disqualification of very aggressive dogs. Few Filas will attack for no reason, but none will be friendly with strangers.
I like dogs, but I love how dog lovers try and stretch the truth about the animals.. They say bengal tigers don't attack from the front, oh I guess that means they're not dangerous. ::) ::) Dog owners have the same attitude.
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hmm . . . so that's what they're calling dog-sitters these days.
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What is the need for a dog breed such as this? Epic tough guy wannabe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fila_Brasileiro
I like dogs, but I love how dog lovers try and stretch the truth about the animals.. They say bengal tigers don't attack from the front, oh I guess that means they're not dangerous. ::) ::) Dog owners have the same attitude.
What is the need for anything? Maybe he just likes that breed? Let's not generalize everyone together either.
I will say though, that I don't think that was probably the best breed choice considering an actor can be away a lot.
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What is the need for anything? Maybe he just likes that breed? Let's not generalize everyone together either.
I will say though, that I don't think that was probably the best breed choice considering an actor can be away a lot.
Of course and it's not like he's in the security business or has a massive estate gaurding the world's great treasures. ::)
Conclusion: Anothere wanna be tough guy who wanted to show off and had no business owning a breed such as that.
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Of course and it's not like he's in the security business or has a massive estate gaurding the world's great treasures. ::)
Conclusion: Anothere wanna be tough guy who wanted to show off and had no business owning a breed such as that.
Exactly. When you buy a dog, you choose the breed based on your lifestyle and the traits of the breed. Why does he need a dog that is inherent AGGRESSIVE, not apprehensive, but AGGRESSIVE towards strangers. He doesn't. I know nothing about Fila's but if that wiki entry is true Ving Rhames wins the bad decision of the month.
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hmm . . . so that's what they're calling dog-sitters these days.
No, ...dog-sitters are what you call foreign actors & screenwriters, that you want to help out.
If you like someone, and want to help them get a green card, and be able to live & work legally in the USA, you hire them in some capacity in your household.
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Exactly. When you buy a dog, you choose the breed based on your lifestyle and the traits of the breed. Why does he need a dog that is inherent AGGRESSIVE, not apprehensive, but AGGRESSIVE towards strangers. He doesn't. I know nothing about Fila's but if that wiki entry is true Ving Rhames wins the bad decision of the month.
I disagree. Both with your assessment of Mr. Rhames, as well as his decision to buy that particular breed.
He's an award winning actor living in Brentwood. If you had any idea the amount of people that invade the privacy and living space of an actor in southern cali, ...actors waking up to find some nutball hanging in the oak tree in front of the house, or trying to scale the fence gets a little tiresome. The trespass is bad enough, but oft times you don't know if they are sane or whether they think you are their long lost spouse, ...or worse, ...the obstacle standing between you and the love of their life. If you've even had a taste of it, you would conclude that a dog aggressive towards strangers who may trespass on your property may be the ideal pet to own. Jacob lived there for 2 years, so he wasn't exactly a stranger.
The autopsy isn't in yet, so we don't know what the cause of death was. It would not surprise me if it indeed was heart failure. It's all just speculation at this point.
This at least solves the great mystery that's been plaguing me all weekend as to why Jacob all of a sudden popped into my head, and why I couldn't stop thinking about him. I'm so not looking forward to breaking this news to Frenchie, ...if she hasn't already heard, or any of his other friends. :'(
Does anyone know how old the dogs were? The reason I ask is because I remember when the Duffy's got their Rottweillers. They got them as puppies, and made sure to introduce us to them from day one so they would get to know friends. They were the biggest puppies I had ever seen in my life! This was right about the time when Patrick was returning to Dallas, and was constantly in the spotlight having his privacy invaded. They needed some type of protection at the home.
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I disagree. Both with your assessment of Mr. Rhames, as well as his decision to buy that particular breed.
He's an award winning actor living in Brentwood. If you had any idea the amount of people that invade the privacy and living space of an actor in southern cali, ...actors waking up to find some nutball hanging in the oak tree in front of the house, or trying to scale the fence gets a little tiresome. The trespass is bad enough, but oft times you don't know if they are sane or whether they think you are their long lost spouse, ...or worse, ...the obstacle standing between you and the love of their life. If you've even had a taste of it, you would conclude that a dog aggressive towards strangers who may trespass on your property may be the ideal pet to own. Jacob lived there for 2 years, so he wasn't exactly a stranger.
Call me a fatalist, but thats why stars hire bodyguards, install security systems and live in relatively secluded areas. Thats not why they own overly aggressive dogs (no matter what the breed is). I say this because an aggressive dog is another person to hire to take care of it and train it. I just don't see too many "stars" taking the time necessary to train a true protection dog. Honestly, I don't see too many stars doing that unless there is a degree of machoism involved, and in that case they are owning the dog to show off more than to serve a particular function, such as protection.
If you remove the macho factor, any dog that has a loud voice, be it a beagle, a lab, or a mutt from the pound will do the job these dogs have to do---and thats detect someone there and make a whole lot of noise so the security people know about it. Any dog could potentially do that job.
The autopsy isn't in yet, so we don't know what the cause of death was. It would not surprise me if it indeed was heart failure. It's all just speculation at this point.
I agree with this completely. There are too many stories about what specific breeds (Fila vs English Mastiff vs Bull terrier) of dog were involved, if the dogs even killed him or what not circulating. Things need to be sorted through before anyone jumps to conclusions.
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I disagree. Both with your assessment of Mr. Rhames, as well as his decision to buy that particular breed.
He's an award winning actor living in Brentwood. If you had any idea the amount of people that invade the privacy and living space of an actor in southern cali, ...actors waking up to find some nutball hanging in the oak tree in front of the house, or trying to scale the fence gets a little tiresome. The trespass is bad enough, but oft times you don't know if they are sane or whether they think you are their long lost spouse, ...or worse, ...the obstacle standing between you and the love of their life. If you've even had a taste of it, you would conclude that a dog aggressive towards strangers who may trespass on your property may be the ideal pet to own. Jacob lived there for 2 years, so he wasn't exactly a stranger.
The autopsy isn't in yet, so we don't know what the cause of death was. It would not surprise me if it indeed was heart failure. It's all just speculation at this point.
This at least solves the great mystery that's been plaguing me all weekend as to why Jacob all of a sudden popped into my head, and why I couldn't stop thinking about him. I'm so not looking forward to breaking this news to Frenchie, ...if she hasn't already heard, or any of his other friends. :'(
Does anyone know how old the dogs were? The reason I ask is because I remember when the Duffy's got their Rottweillers. They got them as puppies, and made sure to introduce us to them from day one so they would get to know friends. They were the biggest puppies I had ever seen in my life! This was right about the time when Patrick was returning to Dallas, and was constantly in the spotlight having his privacy invaded. They needed some type of protection at the home.
Bullshit. I have a Rottweiler, he is apprehensive towards strangers but not at all AGGRESSIVE. Being standoffish or aloof around strangers is part of my dogs temperament, but feeling aggression and the need to attack people that are not known is not. What if Ving gets a new girlfriend or something, that person is a stranger...they deserve to be attacked? I know nothing about Fila's but if that breed description is true, it is not the right dog for him considering the fact that he is not home alot im sure, and it is HIS DOG. it is an accident waiting to happen.
Also, in PA where I live, if someone commits a willful trespass in my home and my dog bites them, I am not at fault...well, that can be argued, but especially if they are advancing/aggressive and it can be proven. My dog could go to town on someone like that and it'd be fine. It may not be like that in every state, and to a Fila, the mailman or cable guy is a target of aggression.
For crying out loud in one of the pictures there was a fence you had to be buzzed through to enter his property, why'd he need a Fila? Yes, it is his freedom to have one...until shit like that happens.
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Well, I have no intention of letting my emotions get carried away. I'm sad that my friend died,
...but until there is an autopsy, ...and we know the cause of death, ...I'm not laying blame at anyone's feet.
For all we know... Jacob could have had a heart attack, ...and the dogs took a few bites out of him because they hadn't been fed in days (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/shrug.gif) ...maybe they thought he was sleeping, and they wanted to say 'Get up and get me some food' ...we don't know. I will wait for the LA Coroner's report. I wonder how Ving is doing? He must be feeling pretty bad, and missing Jacob as well.
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Well, I have no intention of letting my emotions get carried away. I'm sad that my friend died,
...but until there is an autopsy, ...and we know the cause of death, ...I'm not laying blame at anyone's feet.
For all we know... Jacob could have had a heart attack, ...and the dogs took a few bites out of him because they hadn't been fed in days (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/shrug.gif) ...maybe they thought he was sleeping, and they wanted to say 'Get up and get me some food' ...we don't know. I will wait for the LA Coroner's report. I wonder how Ving is doing? He must be feeling pretty bad, and missing Jacob as well.
And thats what really needs to be done--wait for the autopsy. Everything else is just speculation until that report is returned.
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Well, I have no intention of letting my emotions get carried away. I'm sad that my friend died,
...but until there is an autopsy, ...and we know the cause of death, ...I'm not laying blame at anyone's feet.
For all we know... Jacob could have had a heart attack, ...and the dogs took a few bites out of him because they hadn't been fed in days (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/shrug.gif) ...maybe they thought he was sleeping, and they wanted to say 'Get up and get me some food' ...we don't know. I will wait for the LA Coroner's report. I wonder how Ving is doing? He must be feeling pretty bad, and missing Jacob as well.
I meant NO disrespect whatsoever by the way, and am sorry for your loss.