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AWSOME..............I'll help em pack.
http://www.savage-productions.com/professor_says_muslims_go_home.html
Hooray for Michigan State University!
Well, what do we have here? Looks like a small case of some people being able to dish it out, but not take it. Let's start at the top.
The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical engineering professor named Indrek Wichman. Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association. T he e-mail was in response to the students'
protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were "hate speech."
Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the following:
Dear Moslem Association:
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey ), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called "whores" in your culture),
the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris, France. This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my colleagues. I counsel your dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal,
and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile "protests."
If you do not like the values of the West - see the 1st Amendment - you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option.
Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.
Cordially,
I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering
As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded and mandatory diversity training for faculty and a seminar on hate and discrimination for freshman. Now the chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his opinion.
For its part, the university is standing its ground, saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks. That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended for his e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used the same strong language if he'd known it was going to get out.
How's the left going to handle this one? If you're in favor of the freedom of speech, as in the case of Ward Churchill, will the same protections be demanded for Indrek Wichman? I doubt it.
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For its part, the university is standing its ground, saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks. That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended for his e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used the same strong language if he'd known it was going to get out.
He should stand by his opinion.
I do agree with him. People whining about cartoons are idiots.. They honestly don't care about the freedoms of others and are concerned about themselves to the point where thye begin infringing upon the freedoms of others. It's close mindedness and lack of socialization, coupled with feeling of infalliblility on their part.
If they felt so strongly, then they should speak about what pakis are doing to England, France and other european countries.. They should speak out against suicide bombings. You'll never get that, because they're not "true muslims", whatever that means. ::) These self-serving assholes are so worried about their shit that they trample on others.. And in a way are no different from guys blowing up buses and stuff.
Look at toxy.. He calls me out and says I'm putting on an act or something because I changed my opinion. Well I didn't really, I just stoped defending that garbage. Why? Because dangerous people who smell like spice racks and have big beards preaching hate is far worse than some cartoon drawn up for laughs. A civilized democracy carries greater weight than assholes who elect terrorist organizations into power. Politically correct idiots think both sides have good arguements and are to be respected equally. I'm sorry, but the United States and Europe = better. Democracy, free speech, living your life are ideals here, while a chick not fucking anyone but her husband is the concern and ideal there.. Conclusion: America and West = superior in every single way.
Those assholes who were upset about the cartoon are kinda like toxy.. Not dangerous, but they'll allow terrorism to go on and claim it ain't them. :-\
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NAACP will probably defend him. I expect them to.
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Camel Jockey, your post is brilliant! Perceptive and brilliant! I highly commend you for it :)
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Camel Jockey, your post is brilliant! Perceptive and brilliant! I highly commend you for it :)
Even a stopped watch is right twice a day. :)
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NAACP will probably defend him. I expect them to.
You mean ALCU?
NAACP is busy defending Stanley "Tookie" Williams. :-\
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You mean ALCU?
NAACP is busy defending Stanley "Tookie" Williams. :-\
YEah,... :-[
Pwned.WTF am I on about?
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YEah,... :-[
Pwned.WTF am I on about?
It's okay buddy.
Swden has Hedge, Absolut and blondes. ;D
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I have to agree with the professor - a cartoon in a newspaper is a cartoon after all. The other stuff is far more serious.
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i don't get it?
why do they keep coming to America if we are so bad?
oh i know! they can't stay overthere because there is nothing left there, bomb, murder, rape, killing for no reason, desert land......... well they have nothing and we have everything!!!
so if they are not happy and can't get with the program (that means not changing our way of life, because they don't like this or that), go back to your fuckin' cave... simple
........ enough is enough, all governments needs to put their pants on, they have to adjust to us!
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Good for him! More people need to take a stand.
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Dudes a fucking hero!
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AWSOME..............I'll help em pack.
http://www.savage-productions.com/professor_says_muslims_go_home.html
Hooray for Michigan State University!
Well, what do we have here? Looks like a small case of some people being able to dish it out, but not take it. Let's start at the top.
The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical engineering professor named Indrek Wichman. Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association. T he e-mail was in response to the students'
protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were "hate speech."
Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the following:
Dear Moslem Association:
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey ), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called "whores" in your culture),
the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris, France. This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my colleagues. I counsel your dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal,
and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile "protests."
If you do not like the values of the West - see the 1st Amendment - you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option.
Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.
Cordially,
I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering
As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded and mandatory diversity training for faculty and a seminar on hate and discrimination for freshman. Now the chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his opinion.
For its part, the university is standing its ground, saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks. That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended for his e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used the same strong language if he'd known it was going to get out.
How's the left going to handle this one? If you're in favor of the freedom of speech, as in the case of Ward Churchill, will the same protections be demanded for Indrek Wichman? I doubt it.
[Verified as TRUE by Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.asp]
Great email by the professor!
He should stand by his opinion.
I do agree with him. People whining about cartoons are idiots.. They honestly don't care about the freedoms of others and are concerned about themselves to the point where thye begin infringing upon the freedoms of others. It's close mindedness and lack of socialization, coupled with feeling of infalliblility on their part.
If they felt so strongly, then they should speak about what pakis are doing to England, France and other european countries.. They should speak out against suicide bombings. You'll never get that, because they're not "true muslims", whatever that means. ::) These self-serving assholes are so worried about their shit that they trample on others.. And in a way are no different from #### blowing up buses and stuff.
Look at toxy.. He calls me out and says I'm putting on an act or something because I changed my opinion. Well I didn't really, I just stoped defending that garbage. Why? Because dangerous people who smell like spice racks and have big beards preaching hate is far worse than some cartoon drawn up for laughs. A civilized democracy carries greater weight than assholes who elect terrorist organizations into power. Politically correct idiots think both sides have good arguements and are to be respected equally. I'm sorry, but the United States and Europe = better. Democracy, free speech, living your life are ideals here, while a chick not fucking anyone but her husband is the concern and ideal there.. Conclusion: America and West = superior in every single way.
Those assholes who were upset about the cartoon are kinda like toxy.. Not dangerous, but they'll allow terrorism to go on and claim it ain't them. :-\
Big-Time applause to you for your post, CJ. Way to put it down!
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I'm sure cair will try and get his job.
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I'm sure cair will try and get his job.
Absolutely!
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i don't get it?
why do they keep coming to America if we are so bad?
oh i know! they can't stay overthere because there is nothing left there, bomb, murder, rape, killing for no reason, desert land......... well they have nothing and we have everything!!!
so if they are not happy and can't get with the program (that means not changing our way of life, because they don't like this or that), go back to your fuckin' cave... simple
........ enough is enough, all governments needs to put their pants on, they have to adjust to us!
INVATION OF THE TOWEL HEADS! AAAHHH! ;D
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You mean ALCU?
NAACP is busy defending Stanley "Tookie" Williams. :-\
Tookie is dead.
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the professor has a poor way of expressing himself.
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Tookie is dead.
Duh.. They honored him afterwards.
NAACP is a fucking joke and is not to be taken seriously.
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i don't get it?
why do they keep coming to America if we are so bad?
oh i know! they can't stay overthere because there is nothing left there, bomb, murder, rape, killing for no reason, desert land......... well they have nothing and we have everything!!!
so if they are not happy and can't get with the program (that means not changing our way of life, because they don't like this or that), go back to your fuckin' cave... simple
........ enough is enough, all governments needs to put their pants on, they have to adjust to us!
It's just like England. They want to mooch off our economy, make a great living for themselves, enjoy the freedoms granted by these countries and call for our destruction in their little radical mosque meetings at night. ::)
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Duh.. They honored him afterwards.
NAACP is a fucking joke and is not to be taken seriously.
Wasn't sure if you knew.
NAACP is busy defending Stanley "Tookie" Williams.
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It's just like England. They want to mooch off our economy, make a great living for themselves, enjoy the freedoms granted by these countries and call for our destruction in their little radical mosque meetings at night. ::)
No one is really mooching here. For the most part, most people handle their business and do what they are supposed to. It's just a few idiots who are ultra religious, are domain loyal to their shitty homelands and to fairy tales from the middle east. These guys gotta go.
What's happening in europe cannot take place here as our government does not hand out huge transfer payments. Plus, I don't think a lot of americans would take kindly to bearded assholes protesting in the streets about how they'll take over.
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Europeans have alot of cultural guilt.....much like the Libs. They have alllowed all the bad things they have done in the past to know cause them to cow to radiclas as they loose their countries. Your wrong CJ, if the Libs allow "American guilt" to become a way of life...we'll have the same in a few years. Now..no way in hell.
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Europeans have alot of cultural guilt.....much like the Libs. They have alllowed all the bad things they have done in the past to know cause them to cow to radiclas as they loose their countries. Your wrong CJ, if the Libs allow "American guilt" to become a way of life...we'll have the same in a few years. Now..no way in hell.
The Muslim demographics are already starting to change. 20 years ago New York Pakistanis were generally pretty successful, but now they are one of the poorest ethnic groups in the city. If you go into a Pakistani neighborhood, it's like being in a foreign country.
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Camel Jockey, your post is brilliant! Perceptive and brilliant! I highly commend you for it :)
Not sure if Camel is from the middle east or is a muslim or what but he has interesting views on these topics.
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Whats the reason.....
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They're letting too many unskilled immigrants in.
Back in the 60s and 70s, the immigration policy favored the educated and the skilled and that wave of immigrants excelled.
But US immigration policy is not as strict as it once was and there is a loophole called the "family act" which allows skilled immigrants to bring over there unskilled family members. You know what the populations of these countries are like, so...
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the professor has a poor way of expressing himself.
I noticed that, too. English probably isn't his first language.
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It was an email......whatever. I don't think it was ever for mass consumption. We need to rethink our policies on immigration...no kidding right! Specifically anchor babies and allowing people to drain our taxes, such as theses unskilled idiots. Bush has dropped the ball so much in this regard. The dems will never change it as they, immigrants, tend to make up their voting blocks. The Repubs had a wonderful opportunity, controling both Houses, to get stuff like this done. Stuff I think some dems would have voted for.
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So........, this professor is telling muslims to leave the country.
So......, a bit like Hitler with the Jews in the 30's then.
Not sticking up for the ragheads here but there's a direct correlation.
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Come on....he said leave..not get on the train and leave ur luggage behind. Besides the Jews were'nt really complaining about life in Germany and opposed to the dune coons, who supposedly hate everything we stand for.
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So........, this professor is telling muslims to leave the country.
So......, a bit like Hitler with the Jews in the 30's then.
Not sticking up for the ragheads here but there's a direct correlation.
The point the professor is making, although not eloquent, is that these persons are enjoying the freedoms of the Western World, and if they don't like these freedoms (eg freedom of speech), they should go somewhere else.
The Jews were getting the blame for just about anything that was wrong in Germany by Hitler.
Not so in this case.
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Everything he said was true in that Email...unlike the Jews who were normal productive citizens.
After the Nazis came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, the Nazi leadership decided to stage an economic boycott against the Jews of Germany. In 1933, about 600,000 Jews lived in Germany, less than one percent of the total population. Most Jews in Germany were proud to be Germans, citizens of a country that had produced many great poets, writers, musicians, and artists. More than 100,000 German Jews had served in the German army during World War I, and many were decorated for bravery.
Jews held important positions in government and taught in Germany's renowned universities. Of the 38 Nobel Prizes won by German writers and scientists between 1905 and 1936, 14 went to Jews. Marriage between Jews and non-Jews was becoming more common. Although German Jews continued to encounter some discrimination in their social lives and professional careers, many were confident of their future as Germans. They spoke the German language and regarded Germany as their home.
As Hitler raged against the Jews, he accused them of dominating Germany’s economic and political life despite strong evidence to the contrary. In 1925 Jews made up less than five percent of officials in the German government, including the judicial system. Yet Hitler’s propaganda machine inflated this number to fifty percent and then sixty-two percent. By 1930, less than eight percent of the directors of Berman banking companies were Jewish. In 1932, Germany’s eighty-five major newspapers had fewer than ten Jewish editors. Yet many Germans believed the Nazi claim that Jews controlled the nation’s financial system and its press. The Nazis skillfully used propaganda to create the public perception that Jews were a devious political, economic, and social threat to the nation, justifying Hitler’s violent perse-cution of them.
None of this sounds like the Jews.....and these facts could go for many other groups that come to the US or the West. Normal people...the radicalized muslims are not normal productive citizens..and they don't seem to be the minority of muslims.
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The people who complained were enrolled in the university, GI-Joe. ::) Not welfare using leeches.
Radicals = not majority, but "normal" majority have the potential to be as some are no good appologists. And most muslims in the US are contributing citizens/residents when you speak in economic terms. It isn't anything like England, yet, but it has the potential to be. I agree with the professor.. Whiny pussies can leave, but if there are people who are sick of the bs and want to stay and be american then they have every right to do so. Just make immigration selective, or get of the lottery bullshit.
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Yeah but the email was directed at radical muslims in general not just the idiots who were complaining.
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Yeah but the email was directed at radical muslims in general not just the idiots who were complaining.
Radical muslim and Christians are the scum of the Earth
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Everything he said was true in that Email...unlike the Jews who were normal productive citizens.
After the Nazis came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, the Nazi leadership decided to stage an economic boycott against the Jews of Germany. In 1933, about 600,000 Jews lived in Germany, less than one percent of the total population. Most Jews in Germany were proud to be Germans, citizens of a country that had produced many great poets, writers, musicians, and artists. More than 100,000 German Jews had served in the German army during World War I, and many were decorated for bravery.
Jews held important positions in government and taught in Germany's renowned universities. Of the 38 Nobel Prizes won by German writers and scientists between 1905 and 1936, 14 went to Jews. Marriage between Jews and non-Jews was becoming more common. Although German Jews continued to encounter some discrimination in their social lives and professional careers, many were confident of their future as Germans. They spoke the German language and regarded Germany as their home.
As Hitler raged against the Jews, he accused them of dominating Germany’s economic and political life despite strong evidence to the contrary. In 1925 Jews made up less than five percent of officials in the German government, including the judicial system. Yet Hitler’s propaganda machine inflated this number to fifty percent and then sixty-two percent. By 1930, less than eight percent of the directors of Berman banking companies were Jewish. In 1932, Germany’s eighty-five major newspapers had fewer than ten Jewish editors. Yet many Germans believed the Nazi claim that Jews controlled the nation’s financial system and its press. The Nazis skillfully used propaganda to create the public perception that Jews were a devious political, economic, and social threat to the nation, justifying Hitler’s violent perse-cution of them.
None of this sounds like the Jews.....and these facts could go for many other groups that come to the US or the West. Normal people...the radicalized muslims are not normal productive citizens..and they don't seem to be the minority of muslims.
Sounds like you're a victim of propaganda yourself.
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Yeah but the email was directed at radical muslims in general not just the idiots who were complaining.
I see your point there.
Hard to see inbetween the lines, you know?
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I personally see nothing wrong with the just of his eMail to the student group, ...other than it's opening salutation. To start off by addressing them as Moslems is a deliberate and demeaning insult. I suspect he knows the difference. Why is it so difficult for people to express their views without constantly attempting to demean, belittle and humiliate those who do not share their views?
While I understand his frustration at seeing so much of America's resources (wealth in the form of manpower, money, attention etc) going to re-building countries overseas, ...he fails to recognize that this is required because his nation went in and broke it to begin with.
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I think he's refering to their entire body of work, not just Iraq. Also we do more for the rest of the world then anybody, as far as monetary support. I think it all needs to be cut off and reevaluated.
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I personally see nothing wrong with the just of his eMail to the student group, ...other than it's opening salutation. To start off by addressing them as Moslems is a deliberate and demeaning insult. I suspect he knows the difference. Why is it so difficult for people to express their views without constantly attempting to demean, belittle and humiliate those who do not share their views?
While I understand his frustration at seeing so much of America's resources (wealth in the form of manpower, money, attention etc) going to re-building countries overseas, ...he fails to recognize that this is required because his nation went in and broke it to begin with.
Why is it an insult? Do you mean using the word "moslem" instead of the more common "muslim"?
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that was a scathing owning delivered by that professor. they should post that on the front page of every newspaper in the country
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Harsh as it was.. It was NEEDED.
Stop appologist behaviors to blacks, muslims, christians, mexicans or whatever. If not, it could tank this country faster than the Lusitania.
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Why is it an insult? Do you mean using the word "moslem" instead of the more common "muslim"?
Yes. 'Moslem' is a muslim word that if memory serves me correctly means 'infidel' or something equally insulting.
It's like the Inuit of northern Canada. Their true name is 'Inuit'. The word 'Eskimo' is really a word in the inuit language, that means 'eater of raw meat'
His use of the word 'Moslem' is the equivalent of writing an open letter to residents of the USA, and starting off with 'Dear rapists, pillagers, plunderers of nations'. While it's true there are some Americans who are raping, pillaging, and plundering, and who advocate and support such US foreign policy initiatives, it's rude and offensive to label all Americans those things or to paint them all with the same brush.
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Yes. 'Moslem' is a muslim word that if memory serves me correctly means 'infidel' or something equally insulting.
It's like the Inuit of northern Canada. Their true name is 'Inuit'. The word 'Eskimo' is really a word in the inuit language, that means 'eater of raw meat'
His use of the word 'Moslem' is the equivalent of writing an open letter to residents of the USA, and starting off with 'Dear rapists, pillagers, plunderers of nations'. While it's true there are some Americans who are raping, pillaging, and plundering, and who advocate and support such US foreign policy initiatives, it's rude and offensive to label all Americans those things or to paint them all with the same brush.
Your memory serves you incorrectly.
Moslem == Muslim
You'll find the word moslem used commonly in continental Europe and it's useage isn't offensive.
You stupid liberal apologists sure like making moslems out as the victims, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT.