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This is a great article. We now live in a performance enhanced society.
Bonds reflects a society looking for an edge
We need to start taking a look in the mirror about our unsatiable need to alter ourselves before making a scapegoat of the Giants slugger, who is widely said to have used steroids.
Kurt Streeter
Los Angeles Times
August 6, 2007
You're a hypocrite . . .
If you knock Barry Bonds and let your daughter sneak an Adderall to do better on her college entrance test, then you're a hypocrite.
If you knock Barry Bonds and filch one of your husband's Prozacs to mellow out for a job interview, then you're the same kind of hypocrite.
Truth is, if you knock Barry Bonds and slip behind the stands to chug a few Red Bulls before playing in the office softball game, then you're a hypocrite too.
A lesser hypocrite, perhaps. But a hypocrite.
Bonds, it is widely said, has used steroids. And steroids, his extremely vocal critics say, have given the Giants slugger an unfair edge that will soon leave him standing alone with the career home run record.
But honestly, would that make Barry Bonds any different than your cousin the violinist, who takes a beta-blocker to steady his hands before a concert? Or you on Viagra, when neither of you really needs drugs medically?
I'm with John Hoberman, a professor at the University of Texas in Austin, who has long studied the tormented relationship between drugs, society and sports.
Not just in baseball, or in the Tour de France, he says, but in society at large, we are on a mad sprint to bust past our normal limits. We're awash in the use of all kinds of performance enhancements -- some illegal, some not.
As long as we do that, Hoberman says, and we don't start taking a long look in the mirror about our unsatiable need to alter ourselves, we need to think hard about singling out Barry Bonds.
He's a scapegoat. I agree.
It's simply hypocritical.
For me, none of this is to excuse illicit drug use by athletes. I cringe at the shadow our drug-addled pros have cast, at the fact I can't tell my nephew Jack that I know his sports heroes are clean.
No, this is about us. Hypocrisy is inexcusable too.
It's one thing that we're already medicinal lemmings. We take way too many pills with the encouragement of doctors who are working under the spell of companies such as Pfizer. It's even worse that loads of us are gulping pills nobody with any medical authority signed off on.
Take a look at two popular medications: Ritalin and Adderall. They can give a distracted kid the focus of a Tibetan monk. Doctors prescribe them for kids with attention disorders. These days, though, they are often the drugs of choice for kids who don't have attention problems but are looking to ace their exams. They help students cram for hours. They make a full day of testing seem as if it lasted 30 minutes.
Let's say your daughter is cramming for her SAT. She gets her hands on some of her best friend's Adderall pills and takes the pills to boost performance. Well, her scores will be stacked against those from other kids across the nation, and she'll have an unfair advantage.
It won't be just an edge in a pro sport that only a few of us have any chance of playing. It will be a cheater's advantage in the race to get into a top college, which for millions of us is the key to a lifetime of success.
How many of these kids get caught? How many get vilified? How many of their parents turn a blind eye?
We're constantly redrawing the line on what constitutes normal behavior, aptitude, beauty and performance.
Used to be if you were shy you coped with it. Now a doctor prescribes a prescription -- and, as fast as you can swallow a tiny pill, you can't stop talking to strangers.
As a society, we're way too OK with being users. Abusers even. And our multimillionaire athletes, the ones we -- perhaps foolishly -- hold up as paragons of virtue simply because they can run and throw, are they supposed to be different?
Said Hoberman on the phone the other day: "You can't have an enormous development in performance enhancement in society in general and expect the sports world to be immune to it."
It's not only about pharmacy drugs. We want to be able to bash Bonds and head to a surgeon to get a new chin and new lips, so we can fake everyone into thinking we've slowed the march of time. We want to bash Bonds and then drive to a health-food store and load up on non-prescription pills that have us feeling as if we can walk through walls.
Watching Bonds get booed at Dodger Stadium last week, I began pondering options.
• We throw our hands in the air and legalize performance enhancers for the pros. We allow drugs up to a certain limit and hire platoons of doctors to keep the athletes from dosing themselves to death.
• Or we go the other way. We go after drug users in sports the way we'd go after robbers trying to get inside Fort Knox. We toss out sham drug-testing programs. We sample DNA. Year round, we give not only urine tests, but blood tests too.
Some of the smarter, wealthier athletes and their scheming doctors will try to stay one step ahead of us. So we drive a stake through their pocketbooks if they slip up. Get caught? You're done. Outta here. For good.
Trust me, with millions on the line, the more sophisticated users would think twice.
• No matter how we deal with big-time athletes, we turn to ourselves. Where we can test, we test. Particularly people whose jobs affect us all. We test the pilots. We test the muscle-bound cops who get so hopped up that they head into neighborhoods like rhinos, wanting to charge at anything that moves.
And where we can't test, or where we just can't stomach what this does to our freedoms, we start using some discipline , and getting some self-awareness.
Maybe we toss the Red Bull and talk with our kids before their next big tests. Maybe we ask ourselves why it's so important to make ourselves look 45 when we passed 45 two decades back.
Maybe we ask ourselves why we're so obsessed with athletes and drugs when we do some of the same things they do.
Then again, maybe we keep doing what we've been doing and fiddle around at the margins of change. That way we can keep filling the seats and buying the Dodger Dogs and feeling smug as we boo Barry Bonds, comfortable in our hypocrisy.
Think about it.
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A GOOD READ THAT IS TELLING ON WHAT IS CALLED AMERICAN SOCIETY...
BIBLE says..Pull first the board from thine own eye before commenting on the splint in anothers.
In short make sure you are better off or have made yourself better off than the person you complain/comdemn about.
Barry Bonds like Hank Aaron, Willie Mays etc are Black men who made white men look inferior to them by being superior athletes. This talent, skill, ability has made them hated amongst white people for that fact. Hank Aaron like Willie Mays walked onto baseball fields where every type of racist, hate mongering, derogetory term whites could imagine was hurled at them. This Barry Bonds contempt we see, hear and read about is no different than what Mr. mays and Mr. Aaron experienced. Every one from Bud Seilig to your drunk red neck idiot has been on a rampage against Barry based upon speculation and lies and throough it all Mr. Bonds has remained composed.
This article is a MUST READ by all who have negative comments on anyone... let alone Mr. Bonds...Message is.... CHECK YOURSELF FIRST COMMENT SECOND...
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Barry Bonds is
1-Racist
2-clasist
3-Jerk
Do people want the HR record to be broken? yes!!
but not by Barry Bonds..
forget society, You get what you want!!
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Nothing wrong with getting an edge. The only people who get mad are those without an edge.
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Barry Bonds is
1-Racist
2-clasist
3-Jerk
Do people want the HR record to be broken? yes!!
but not by Barry Bonds..
forget society, You get what you want!!
Lets face it, the ONLY reason why Bonds is so controversial is because he's all those things you described, not because of his abilities!
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People dont like Bonds because they are led around by the nose by the media.Not one f'n person on here EVER met Bonds,ever spoke to Bonds,ever delt with Bonds yet they know a lot about him.Why?Because the media says so.Little pukes like Jay Marriotti and Jim Rome and that midget Bob Costas say it,so it must be true.The reason the media hates him is because unlike that tap dancing negro ,Hank Aaron,Bonds doesnt say "yess sir boss,how high you want me to jump boss".Bonds tells the media exactly what they are, a bunch of little midgets living off of others talents.
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People dont like Bonds because they are led around by the nose by the media.Not one f'n person on here EVER met Bonds,ever spoke to Bonds,ever delt with Bonds yet they know a lot about him.Why?Because the media says so.Little pukes like Jay Marriotti and Jim Rome and that midget Bob Costas say it,so it must be true.The reason the media hates him is because unlike that tap dancing negro ,Hank Aaron,Bonds doesnt say "yess sir boss,how high you want me to jump boss".Bonds tells the media exactly what they are, a bunch of little midgets living off of others talents.
Prozac, Adderall, and Red Bull are all legal substances...bad examples but what can you expect from some west coast turd who bows at this clown's feet.
Bonds is and always will be a cheater..along with the rest of the pukes who took steroids and didn't get caught...don't compare willie mays or henry aaron to bonds because neither of them accomplished what the accomplished with the use and abuse of illegal substances. Last time I checked Mark McGwire hasn't been seen in public because he is, along with the rest of the abusers, a cheater...he's also white..so it can hardly be ALL racist...be advised, I said ALL racist...I agree, some of it is, but what do you call fan backlash to McGwire, Palmeiro, etc.
He falls very short of making a convincing argument.
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Please tell me what rule Bonds broke that you would call him a cheater.As far as I know there was no rule in MLB against steroid use.The guys you mentioned have ALL been linked to amphetamine use,were they cheating?You remind me of the guys who say "Ben Johnson is a cheater,Cal Lewis did it right" however,no one mentions that Lewis failed 7 drug tests in his career.All I know is this,loooong before Bonds took steroids he had won three MVPs,as many as ANY player in the history of the game.So with or without drugs he was a hall of famer.
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Prozac, Adderall, and Red Bull are all legal substances...bad examples but what can you expect from some west coast turd who bows at this clown's feet.
Bonds is and always will be a cheater..along with the rest of the pukes who took steroids and didn't get caught...don't compare willie mays or henry aaron to bonds because neither of them accomplished what the accomplished with the use and abuse of illegal substances. Last time I checked Mark McGwire hasn't been seen in public because he is, along with the rest of the abusers, a cheater...he's also white..so it can hardly be ALL racist...be advised, I said ALL racist...I agree, some of it is, but what do you call fan backlash to McGwire, Palmeiro, etc...
They're only "cheaters" if they arn't playing on a level playing field, which isn't the case. Like I said, more than HALF of the league is on gear, so make it out like these are the only guys that are "cheaters".
Like Bonds, McGwire NEVER admitted taking gear, he did admit to taking Andro. You have alot to learn about professional sports if you think players besodes the ones you mentioned arn't on gear. Pull you're head out and wake the hell up!!
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Please tell me what rule Bonds broke that you would call him a cheater.As far as I know there was no rule in MLB against steroid use.The guys you mentioned have ALL been linked to amphetamine use,were they cheating?You remind me of the guys who say "Ben Johnson is a cheater,Cal Lewis did it right" however,no one mentions that Lewis failed 7 drug tests in his career.All I know is this,loooong before Bonds took steroids he had won three MVPs,as many as ANY player in the history of the game.So with or without drugs he was a hall of famer.
Oh brother..here goes this..if there wasn't a rule then it's not considered cheating...ben johnson and carl lewis? who cares about them..you are all over the place...i never said he wasn't a good player...he just wasn't going to hit 278 of his homeruns from the ages of 36-43 without the clear and the cream and all the other things he was poking in his ass.
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Oh brother..here goes this..if there wasn't a rule then it's not considered cheating...ben johnson and carl lewis? who cares about them..you are all over the place...i never said he wasn't a good player...he just wasn't going to hit 278 of his homeruns from the ages of 36-43 without the clear and the cream and all the other things he was poking in his ass.
Hey Rocky, it's an rule in the IFBB as well, do you think all bodybuilders are cheating?
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They're only "cheaters" if they arn't playing on a level playing field, which isn't the case. Like I said, more than HALF of the league is on gear, so make it out like these are the only guys that are "cheaters".
Like Bonds, McGwire NEVER admitted taking gear, he did admit to taking Andro. You have alot to learn about professional sports if you think players besodes the ones you mentioned arn't on gear. Pull you're head out and wake the hell up!!
No kidding..over half the league? what, you have the drug test results? you in tight with bud selig? yeah..the other stupid argument..oh, if everyone is doing it, then it's ok...
hmm..i have a lot to learn..ok---where did i say no one uses drugs? what do i need to learn? that someone between the ages of 36-43 suddenly starts hitting homeruns at a clip that he never did before and i'm not supposed to question it? please...tell me something--hank aaron and babe ruth did it without steroids (unless you are going to tell me they both did steroids--which then will actually explain all your other asinine comments) and barry bonds did it with steroids? so you are telling me that's a level playing field?
Palmeiro never admitted to either and look what happened with him.
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Hey Rocky, it's an rule in the IFBB as well, do you think all bodybuilders are cheating?
Oh yeah..The IFBB...there goes a reputable organization..why don't you stick the WWE in there too.
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No kidding..over half the league? what, you have the drug test results? you in tight with bud selig? yeah..the other stupid argument..oh, if everyone is doing it, then it's ok...
hmm..i have a lot to learn..ok---where did i say no one uses drugs? what do i need to learn? that someone between the ages of 36-43 suddenly starts hitting homeruns at a clip that he never did before and i'm not supposed to question it? please...tell me something--hank aaron and babe ruth did it without steroids (unless you are going to tell me they both did steroids--which then will actually explain all your other asinine comments) and barry bonds did it with steroids? so you are telling me that's a level playing field?
Palmeiro never admitted to either and look what happened with him.
Where are the drug results for Bonds?
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Please tell me what rule Bonds broke that you would call him a cheater.As far as I know there was no rule in MLB against steroid use.The guys you mentioned have ALL been linked to amphetamine use,were they cheating?You remind me of the guys who say "Ben Johnson is a cheater,Cal Lewis did it right" however,no one mentions that Lewis failed 7 drug tests in his career.All I know is this,loooong before Bonds took steroids he had won three MVPs,as many as ANY player in the history of the game.So with or without drugs he was a hall of famer.
Palmeiro tested positive for winstrol, brain surgeon...that's not a amphetamine.
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Where are the drug results for Bonds?
he admitted in the grand jury that he took the clear and the cream but ''thought'' it was flaxseed oil...
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This is a great article. We now live in a performance enhanced society.
Bonds reflects a society looking for an edge
We need to start taking a look in the mirror about our unsatiable need to alter ourselves before making a scapegoat of the Giants slugger, who is widely said to have used steroids.
Kurt Streeter
Los Angeles Times
August 6, 2007
You're a hypocrite . . .
If you knock Barry Bonds and let your daughter sneak an Adderall to do better on her college entrance test, then you're a hypocrite.
If you knock Barry Bonds and filch one of your husband's Prozacs to mellow out for a job interview, then you're the same kind of hypocrite.
Truth is, if you knock Barry Bonds and slip behind the stands to chug a few Red Bulls before playing in the office softball game, then you're a hypocrite too.
A lesser hypocrite, perhaps. But a hypocrite.
Bonds, it is widely said, has used steroids. And steroids, his extremely vocal critics say, have given the Giants slugger an unfair edge that will soon leave him standing alone with the career home run record.
But honestly, would that make Barry Bonds any different than your cousin the violinist, who takes a beta-blocker to steady his hands before a concert? Or you on Viagra, when neither of you really needs drugs medically?
I'm with John Hoberman, a professor at the University of Texas in Austin, who has long studied the tormented relationship between drugs, society and sports.
Not just in baseball, or in the Tour de France, he says, but in society at large, we are on a mad sprint to bust past our normal limits. We're awash in the use of all kinds of performance enhancements -- some illegal, some not.
As long as we do that, Hoberman says, and we don't start taking a long look in the mirror about our unsatiable need to alter ourselves, we need to think hard about singling out Barry Bonds.
He's a scapegoat. I agree.
It's simply hypocritical.
For me, none of this is to excuse illicit drug use by athletes. I cringe at the shadow our drug-addled pros have cast, at the fact I can't tell my nephew Jack that I know his sports heroes are clean.
No, this is about us. Hypocrisy is inexcusable too.
It's one thing that we're already medicinal lemmings. We take way too many pills with the encouragement of doctors who are working under the spell of companies such as Pfizer. It's even worse that loads of us are gulping pills nobody with any medical authority signed off on.
Take a look at two popular medications: Ritalin and Adderall. They can give a distracted kid the focus of a Tibetan monk. Doctors prescribe them for kids with attention disorders. These days, though, they are often the drugs of choice for kids who don't have attention problems but are looking to ace their exams. They help students cram for hours. They make a full day of testing seem as if it lasted 30 minutes.
Let's say your daughter is cramming for her SAT. She gets her hands on some of her best friend's Adderall pills and takes the pills to boost performance. Well, her scores will be stacked against those from other kids across the nation, and she'll have an unfair advantage.
It won't be just an edge in a pro sport that only a few of us have any chance of playing. It will be a cheater's advantage in the race to get into a top college, which for millions of us is the key to a lifetime of success.
How many of these kids get caught? How many get vilified? How many of their parents turn a blind eye?
We're constantly redrawing the line on what constitutes normal behavior, aptitude, beauty and performance.
Used to be if you were shy you coped with it. Now a doctor prescribes a prescription -- and, as fast as you can swallow a tiny pill, you can't stop talking to strangers.
As a society, we're way too OK with being users. Abusers even. And our multimillionaire athletes, the ones we -- perhaps foolishly -- hold up as paragons of virtue simply because they can run and throw, are they supposed to be different?
Said Hoberman on the phone the other day: "You can't have an enormous development in performance enhancement in society in general and expect the sports world to be immune to it."
It's not only about pharmacy drugs. We want to be able to bash Bonds and head to a surgeon to get a new chin and new lips, so we can fake everyone into thinking we've slowed the march of time. We want to bash Bonds and then drive to a health-food store and load up on non-prescription pills that have us feeling as if we can walk through walls.
Watching Bonds get booed at Dodger Stadium last week, I began pondering options.
• We throw our hands in the air and legalize performance enhancers for the pros. We allow drugs up to a certain limit and hire platoons of doctors to keep the athletes from dosing themselves to death.
• Or we go the other way. We go after drug users in sports the way we'd go after robbers trying to get inside Fort Knox. We toss out sham drug-testing programs. We sample DNA. Year round, we give not only urine tests, but blood tests too.
Some of the smarter, wealthier athletes and their scheming doctors will try to stay one step ahead of us. So we drive a stake through their pocketbooks if they slip up. Get caught? You're done. Outta here. For good.
Trust me, with millions on the line, the more sophisticated users would think twice.
• No matter how we deal with big-time athletes, we turn to ourselves. Where we can test, we test. Particularly people whose jobs affect us all. We test the pilots. We test the muscle-bound cops who get so hopped up that they head into neighborhoods like rhinos, wanting to charge at anything that moves.
And where we can't test, or where we just can't stomach what this does to our freedoms, we start using some discipline , and getting some self-awareness.
Maybe we toss the Red Bull and talk with our kids before their next big tests. Maybe we ask ourselves why it's so important to make ourselves look 45 when we passed 45 two decades back.
Maybe we ask ourselves why we're so obsessed with athletes and drugs when we do some of the same things they do.
Then again, maybe we keep doing what we've been doing and fiddle around at the margins of change. That way we can keep filling the seats and buying the Dodger Dogs and feeling smug as we boo Barry Bonds, comfortable in our hypocrisy.
Think about it.
Excellent post and the mere truth. The media and news are a complete joke.
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he admitted in the grand jury that he took the clear and the cream but ''thought'' it was flaxseed oil...
......and? I'm still waiting for him to say "I knowingly took the cream and the clear and new it was a steriod"!
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......and? I'm still waiting for him to say "I knowingly took the cream and the clear and new it was a steriod"!
oh yeah...he goes to some lab to swallow flaxseed oil...
how ironic is it that jason giambi admits he did steroids when he associated with BALCO...yet barry bonds stayed clean during his association with BALCO...
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oh yeah...he goes to some lab to swallow flaxseed oil...
What ???
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I wasnt talking about Palmiero,I was talking about Aaron.Many guys who played in his era said he took amphetamines.I still am trying to understand why you think its a bad thing for a guy who is 36-43 years old and takes something to prolong and even improve his career is a bad thing.I dont get that.Would you rather have these guys retire at 36.I wouldnt.I want guys to do whatever they have to to play at superhuman levels.I dont care if our wicked evil gangster government says its illegal or not.Let these guys take whatever they can to play at the highest levels possible,so when I plunk down my 100$ for a seat in the ballpark I get my moneys worth.Long live steroid use.
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that % sounds a bit on the light side.
It is on the light side.
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I wasnt talking about Palmiero,I was talking about Aaron.Many guys who played in his era said he took amphetamines.I still am trying to understand why you think its a bad thing for a guy who is 36-43 years old and takes something to prolong and even improve his career is a bad thing.I dont get that.Would you rather have these guys retire at 36.I wouldnt.I want guys to do whatever they have to to play at superhuman levels.I dont care if our wicked evil gangster government says its illegal or not.Let these guys take whatever they can to play at the highest levels possible,so when I plunk down my 100$ for a seat in the ballpark I get my moneys worth.Long live steroid use.
because just like things like the spitball, corked bat, guys stealing signs from the outfield bleachers--it puts one group ( the users) at a advantage to the guys not using....whether you want to believe that gear use is rampant in sports or not ( i do believe it is)---100% of the players DO NOT use and they are put at a disadvantage---I'm certainly not going to take something and pay 100$ to see something that i know is not on the level.
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Then perhaps these slackers need to step up their game and start using.If one guy lifts and another doesnt the one who lifts is at an advantage.If one guy eats lots of protein and one is a junk food fiend ,the good eater is at an advantage.In fact if one has big strong parents and the other has two pencil necks ,the guy with the better genetics is at the advantage.Life is not fair and there are no level playing fields in any endevour..The other night, Bonds tied the record.The pitcher?A guy that has already served a suspesion for steroid use.Seems fair to me.
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Then perhaps these slackers need to step up their game and start using.If one guy lifts and another doesnt the one who lifts is at an advantage.If one guy eats lots of protein and one is a junk food fiend ,the good eater is at an advantage.In fact if one has big strong parents and the other has two pencil necks ,the guy with the better genetics is at the advantage.Life is not fair and there are no level playing fields in any endevour..The other night, Bonds tied the record.The pitcher?A guy that has already served a suspesion for steroid use.Seems fair to me.
that's the stupidest comment you made yet..
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People dont like Bonds because they are led around by the nose by the media.Not one f'n person on here EVER met Bonds,ever spoke to Bonds,ever delt with Bonds yet they know a lot about him.Why?Because the media says so.Little pukes like Jay Marriotti and Jim Rome and that midget Bob Costas say it,so it must be true.The reason the media hates him is because unlike that tap dancing negro ,Hank Aaron,Bonds doesnt say "yess sir boss,how high you want me to jump boss".Bonds tells the media exactly what they are, a bunch of little midgets living off of others talents.
amen
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amen
yeah..bonds is just so loved by everyone outside the media. class guy...tax evader, serial drug abuser...nominate him for man of the year. i guess billy mimnaugh has met bonds and is tight with him? knows all about barry and his endearing qualities. Everything written and said about Bonds cannot be all false...
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Really?Tax evader?I dont see any indictment for that.I mean its been three grand juries now,THREE, and they still cant even get enough evidense to indict.Funny,but the expression is that "you can indict a ham sandwich".I guess though in those cases you actually need evidense,not the babblings of jerkoff reporters who think synthol is a drug or some little whore that is about to pose in Playboy.By the way,if Bonds is so despised how do you suppose he got voted on the all star team BY THE FANS!I guess,once again,the media has no clue of what they are talking about.Its also amusing that he plays in front of packed stadiums everywhere he goes.Hated?By whom.Besides the media.
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What kills me is the steroid scandle bullshit. Steroids have been around since the early forties and since the early fifties atheletes in the olympics were experimenting with Nilevar and d-bol. Hell, even the german solders in ww2 during the war were given daily tablets and told to take them. Do you really think that they were hemmeroid pills or milk and magnesia? I don't think so. I call bullshit on any of the so-called "clean claims" of people saying that guys like Hank Aaron or anyone else in that era was clean. They just didn't get caught. Either way, the last time Bonds was tested he PASSED all the doping tests with flying colours and people still cried.
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Really?Tax evader?I dont see any indictment for that.I mean its been three grand juries now,THREE, and they still cant even get enough evidense to indict.Funny,but the expression is that "you can indict a ham sandwich".I guess though in those cases you actually need evidense,not the babblings of jerkoff reporters who think synthol is a drug or some little whore that is about to pose in Playboy.By the way,if Bonds is so despised how do you suppose he got voted on the all star team BY THE FANS!I guess,once again,the media has no clue of what they are talking about.Its also amusing that he plays in front of packed stadiums everywhere he goes.Hated?By whom.Besides the media.
not just the media...yep,,,i guess michael vick was a ham sandwich...is that made up too?
check out dmitri young..seems like he cares about bonds a whole lot:
Washington's Dmitri Young didn't sound all that interested.
"The guy's chasing history. Whoop-de-do," he said. "If it was Ken Griffey, Jr., it would be a little more exciting."
curt schilling has hammered the guy too....it's not just the media...that's the biggest copout in the world...oh, it's the media's fault...the media is this..the media is that...i guess it was the media that made barry bonds' head grow three sizes in five years...
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What kills me is the steroid scandle bullshit. Steroids have been around since the early forties and since the early fifties atheletes in the olympics were experimenting with Nilevar and d-bol. Hell, even the german solders in ww2 during the war were given daily tablets and told to take them. Do you really think that they were hemmeroid pills or milk and magnesia? I don't think so. I call bullshit on any of the so-called "clean claims" of people saying that guys like Hank Aaron or anyone else in that era was clean. They just didn't get caught. Either way, the last time Bonds was tested he PASSED all the doping tests with flying colours and people still cried.
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lol..oh yeah..hank aaron was juicing...these pics prove it...
and the babe..yeah..he was doing all types of juice..he looks sick...
with the idiot logic you are spouting just about everyone has needles hanging out of there ass...what a moron.
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What kills me is the steroid scandle bullshit. Steroids have been around since the early forties and since the early fifties atheletes in the olympics were experimenting with Nilevar and d-bol. Hell, even the german solders in ww2 during the war were given daily tablets and told to take them. Do you really think that they were hemmeroid pills or milk and magnesia? I don't think so. I call bullshit on any of the so-called "clean claims" of people saying that guys like Hank Aaron or anyone else in that era was clean. They just didn't get caught. Either way, the last time Bonds was tested he PASSED all the doping tests with flying colours and people still cried.
hey playboy..found this picture of the sick steroided up german soldier...yeah, you got it right..everyone has been doing steroids--no one is clean...
you probably think wrestling is real too..right...
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Prozac, Adderall, and Red Bull are all legal substances...bad examples but what can you expect from some west coast turd who bows at this clown's feet.
Bonds is and always will be a cheater..along with the rest of the pukes who took steroids and didn't get caught...don't compare willie mays or henry aaron to bonds because neither of them accomplished what the accomplished with the use and abuse of illegal substances. Last time I checked Mark McGwire hasn't been seen in public because he is, along with the rest of the abusers, a cheater...he's also white..so it can hardly be ALL racist...be advised, I said ALL racist...I agree, some of it is, but what do you call fan backlash to McGwire, Palmeiro, etc.
He falls very short of making a convincing argument.
bullshit. its not cheating...what the fuck does it matter to you if a guy is on steroids?
baseball is aSPECTATOR sport. they make money because they ENTERTAIN people. the only reason baseball exists(on a pro level) is because people want to go watch the best players so they will be entertained and amazed and what they can do.
steroids makes the players better, the game more exciting, and baseball more ENTERTAINING.
saying steroids doesnt belong in baseball is like saying that the background music on american idol shouldnt be there either. sure, the show might be a more accurate assessment of the singers, and sure, the show would still be watched. but ista much better program with the background music. because it is funner to watch, it is more entertaining, and it gets the t.v. show better ratings= more money...more money=equals better show.
steroids make baseball exciting again.
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I still am trying to understand why you think its a bad thing for a guy who is 36-43 years old and takes something to prolong and even improve his career is a bad thing
Monster Rationalization...haha He's just trying to reverse aging...yeah, great excuse. It's called life, you age and die.
Also, it is cheating, unless everyone partake in the illegal event. Like pro bodybuiling, steroids aren't cheating...but synthol is? ahah Have to love bodybuilding where they say excessive drug use/gh use isn't cheating because everyone does it, however...synthol and calve impants are because only 40% do it. What a bunch of clowns.
So for the record, Bonds is a cheating dirtbag. Probably McGwire, as well. They basically had no regard for the reputation of their families and simply thought about themselves and their career. It's a selfish act. Whether or not 50% of baseball uses or not, it's a fucking shortcut, nothing more. At least they have some talent, where as bodybuilders require absolutely none..haha
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Wow,Curt Schilling said so.The guy is the most arrogant jerk off in baseball,absolutely despised around the league and by former teamates.Mike Vick was indicted,so were the kids from Duke.Turns out those kids did NOTHING and the whole thing was made up by a nappy headed ho.By the way,being indicted means nothing,its being found guilty that counts.Heres my prediction.Bonds will be indicted for perjury and his lawer will destroy the government and he will be found not guilty.He will NOT be indicted for tax evasion.By the way,ALL HAIL KING BARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FREE GREG ANDERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Barry Bonds is
1-Racist
2-clasist
3-Jerk
Do people want the HR record to be broken? yes!!
but not by Barry Bonds..
forget society, You get what you want!!
then why did nearly every white person in america send hank aaron hate mail when he broke the old record?
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People dont like Bonds because they are led around by the nose by the media.Not one f'n person on here EVER met Bonds,ever spoke to Bonds,ever delt with Bonds yet they know a lot about him.Why?Because the media says so.Little pukes like Jay Marriotti and Jim Rome and that midget Bob Costas say it,so it must be true.The reason the media hates him is because unlike that tap dancing negro ,Hank Aaron,Bonds doesnt say "yess sir boss,how high you want me to jump boss".Bonds tells the media exactly what they are, a bunch of little midgets living off of others talents.
While I actually agree with 99% of what you say, I have met Barry, actually had the misfortune of hearing him talk to people right in front of me...And sorry. He sucks as a person. However....Greg Anderson is a stand up guy and a stand up father. This whole bullshit sickens me. Our government is proving once again that they need to use a scapegoat to prove their point. We might as well start fighting fo territory again. Ridiculous. Well anyway, good for Bonds. My Upper deck rookie card that I have will be worth something tomorrow.
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Before my post gets mis-understood, what i'm trying to say is that I think a lot of average people that don't know would be very surprised and or disappointed to know that their favorite athelete is on some kind of perfomance enhancing drug. Some just don't get caught. Thats just the reality. You do not need to be huge and muscular to be on something. Just recently they had found a golfer who tested posative for deca. He used it for its joint healing capabilities. Look at tennis. Take a look at the William's sisters pics from a couple of years ago and take a look at recent photos. You'd be surprised.