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Please, dear god, explain this to me.
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they have one...she's called hilary clinton...very electable and she's got a very good shot at winning.
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they have one...she's called hilary clinton...very electable and she's got a very good shot at winning.
If she had never been Hillary Clinton, maybe, but because of her name, she cannot win a national election.
The Democrats need to give us a died-in-the-wool, blueblood White American male who knows his head from his behind.
There's no reason this election shouldn't be an absolute slam dunk, but I strongly disagree with those who feel that Clinton (or even Obama) is electable, because she's not.
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She's the only one. The Repubs have two maybe three. Hil does have a great shot. Once we get closer to the election, she will carve up Obama even more.
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She understands the political game much better then Obama, and Edwards does not come off as genuine.
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She understands the political game much better then Obama, and Edwards does not come off as genuine.
Authenticity or coming off as 'genuine' is what's wrong with the political analysis in this country.
Instead, look at the substantive topics in each candidate's platform.
Of all the candidates (democratic or republican), only Edwards offers a complete proposal on national health care.
Authenticity. Bush, in 2000 and 2004, came across as a guy you'd like to have a beer with b/c he was a regular guy--genuine. Bullshit. He is the product of privilege and special treatment attending elite prep schools and the finest college in the country. He was raised by a multi-millionaire family to summer in Kennebunkport while returning to Connecticut to work amongst the elites. He moved to Texas bought a ranch--even though he's afraid of horses--and ran for president. He continually lied about his platform topics but so what! He was likable and anyone could have a beer with him.
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She understands the political game much better then Obama, and Edwards does not come off as genuine.
I totally agree with exactly what you've written, but Hillary Clinton is carrying way too much baggage to win the Presidency.
If she hadn't been so visible, vocal, and polarizing back during Bill's first term, I could agree with giving her a puncher's chance, but all that negative sentiment cannot be undone.
And aside from the fact that there are many people who are merely 'anti-Hillary', you also have to keep in mind that there is a significant percentage of women voters who will vote against her just because she is a woman.
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I totally agree with exactly what you've written, but Hillary Clinton is carrying way too much baggage to win the Presidency.
If she hadn't been so visible, vocal, and polarizing back during Bill's first term, I could agree with giving her a puncher's chance, but all that negative sentiment cannot be undone.
And aside from the fact that there are many people who are merely 'anti-Hillary', you also have to keep in mind that there is a significant percentage of women voters who will vote against her just because she is a woman.
what baggage is that? bill? bill helps a whole lot... and i think hilary's baggage is a lot less burdensome than the repubs baggage (bush for the past 8 years) obama's got no shot..the dems know that...get ready for a woman president because she'll beat rudy or mitt...
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they have one...she's called hilary clinton...very electable and she's got a very good shot at winning.
I disagree she has a lot of womens votes, but almost no male votes and vice-versa for Fred Thompson of Reb. She is all about getting in the chair, and not about making an actual change. If by some fluke she does get elected, look for someone to at least try and take her out.
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If she had never been Hillary Clinton, maybe, but because of her name, she cannot win a national election.
The Democrats need to give us a died-in-the-wool, blueblood White American male who knows his head from his behind.
There's no reason this election shouldn't be an absolute slam dunk, but I strongly disagree with those who feel that Clinton (or even Obama) is electable, because she's not.
If anything, her name is helping her.
Bill Clinton would win a presidential election by a landslide if he was allowed to run again.
Hillary's problems are that she may not be good enough.
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I disagree she has a lot of womens votes, but almost no male votes and vice-versa for Fred Thompson of Reb. She is all about getting in the chair, and not about making an actual change. If by some fluke she does get elected, look for someone to at least try and take her out.
what politician isn't about getting in the chair?
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what baggage is that? bill? bill helps a whole lot... and i think hilary's baggage is a lot less burdensome than the repubs baggage (bush for the past 8 years) obama's got no shot..the dems know that...get ready for a woman president because she'll beat rudy or mitt...
I don't think she will be going against Rudi, I have a sneaking feeling that Fred Thompson will gain support and end up as the Rep. GOP. He is a true conservative and fits the party better than most of the other nominees.
what politician isn't about getting in the chair?
true, but to me she seems more interested in becoming the first woman president than actually benefitting our nation....IMO.
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I don't think she will be going against Rudi, I have a sneaking feeling that Fred Thompson will gain support and end up as the Rep. GOP. He is a true conservative and fits the party better than most of the other nominees.true, but to me she seems more interested in becoming the first woman president than actually benefitting our nation....IMO.
has fred thompson announced yet? everytime i hear about him they say he's exploring a run...the repubs can still win this..it's not a longshot..they need a very solid ticket--no dissension in the party and they could win it again...
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...but to me she seems more interested in becoming the first woman president than actually benefitting our nation....IMO.
How are your two points mutually exclusive? Somebody has to be 'the first' in everything. I don't see how one detracts from the other.
Are you inferring that her ambition makes her less qualified? In that case, we could shitcan every presidential candidate from the beginning. No candidate has the mantle of president grudgingly thrust upon him.
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How are your two points mutually exclusive? Somebody has to be 'the first' in everything. I don't see how one detracts from the other.
Are you inferring that her ambition makes her less qualified? In that case, we could shitcan every presidential candidate from the beginning. No candidate has the mantle of president grudgingly thrust upon him.
I think George Washington did...
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has fred thompson announced yet? everytime i hear about him they say he's exploring a run...the repubs can still win this..it's not a longshot..they need a very solid ticket--no dissension in the party and they could win it again...
no not yet, but I have a feeling he will, he is already 2nd in the poles and he hasn't even announced.
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How are your two points mutually exclusive? Somebody has to be 'the first' in everything. I don't see how one detracts from the other.
Are you inferring that her ambition makes her less qualified? In that case, we could shitcan every presidential candidate from the beginning. No candidate has the mantle of president grudgingly thrust upon him.
I am just saying that she seems more consumed with being that 1st woman president than being a good president, and I am not saying that she couldn't be both. I would prefer some who's main goal was to make progressive change in our nation. This is why I support Fred Thompson. He hasn't even announced his running and people are flocking to him. He is letting the people speak.
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I am just saying that she seems more consumed with being that 1st woman president than being a good president, and I am not saying that she couldn't be both. I would prefer some who's main goal was to make progressive change in our nation. This is why I support Fred Thompson. He hasn't even announced his running and people are flocking to him. He is letting the people speak.
you better dig up thomas jefferson or john adams and ask them to run again..because no president is going to make progressive change because that would mean getting out from under the thumb of corporate america---and if they did that then they wouldn't become president anyhow...
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you better dig up thomas jefferson or john adams and ask them to run again..because no president is going to make progressive change because that would mean getting out from under the thumb of corporate america---and if they did that then they wouldn't become president anyhow...
that is a interesting point of view.
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that is a interesting point of view.
which one? digging up thomas jefferson?
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yeah...kinda gross, but interesting none the less...
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and why isnt barack obama electable? ...maybe you think he is overly intelligent, or is much more objective than he ought to be???? or maybe hes not "black enough"..
barack obama is the most ELECTABLE candidate for president since ...well, jfk.
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and why isnt barack obama electable? ...maybe you think he is overly intelligent, or is much more objective than he ought to be???? or maybe hes not "black enough"..
barack obama is the most ELECTABLE candidate for president since ...well, jfk.
He is too closely tied to Islam...that scares people. He is objective, but that pakistan comment just gave hillary something to grind on...
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has fred thompson announced yet? everytime i hear about him they say he's exploring a run...the repubs can still win this..it's not a longshot..they need a very solid ticket--no dissension in the party and they could win it again...
Thursday, Aug. 9, 2007 10:28 a.m. EDT
Fred Thompson Edges Toward September Announcement
He’s revamped his "Weekly Update” e-mail, hired new campaign staffers including Bill Lacy, whom he credits with having saved his re-election for the Senate, and is spending August traveling around the country speaking to voters – all signs that Fred Thompson is getting ready to toss his hat in the presidential ring.
"It’s not quite two-a-days, but I think we’re building some real momentum,” cqpoltics.com reports he told supporters. "To keep that momentum, we’re shifting into higher gear.”
Lacy, a pro who worked on the presidential campaigns of Ronald Reagan, President George H.W. Bush and former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, also worked on Thompson’s 2004 Senate run.
"As I move toward a decision on whether to run for president, I am confident he will take our operations to the next level,” Thompson said.
Also signed up was Randy Enwright, national political director of the "testing the waters” campaign.
According to cqpolitics.com, Floridian Enwright, has served as executive director of the GOP in Florida and Iowa, and served as political director of the Missouri Republican Party, in addition to working on campaigns for all three Bushes — presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, as well as Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.
All this points to an early September announcement that Thompson is in the race.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/8/9/103400.shtml?s=ic
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Thursday, Aug. 9, 2007 10:28 a.m. EDT
Fred Thompson Edges Toward September Announcement
He’s revamped his "Weekly Update” e-mail, hired new campaign staffers including Bill Lacy, whom he credits with having saved his re-election for the Senate, and is spending August traveling around the country speaking to voters – all signs that Fred Thompson is getting ready to toss his hat in the presidential ring.
"It’s not quite two-a-days, but I think we’re building some real momentum,” cqpoltics.com reports he told supporters. "To keep that momentum, we’re shifting into higher gear.”
Lacy, a pro who worked on the presidential campaigns of Ronald Reagan, President George H.W. Bush and former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, also worked on Thompson’s 2004 Senate run.
"As I move toward a decision on whether to run for president, I am confident he will take our operations to the next level,” Thompson said.
Also signed up was Randy Enwright, national political director of the "testing the waters” campaign.
According to cqpolitics.com, Floridian Enwright, has served as executive director of the GOP in Florida and Iowa, and served as political director of the Missouri Republican Party, in addition to working on campaigns for all three Bushes — presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, as well as Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.
All this points to an early September announcement that Thompson is in the race.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/8/9/103400.shtml?s=ic
He is a much better combatant than Rudi for the likes of hillary.
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and why isnt barack obama electable? ...maybe you think he is overly intelligent, or is much more objective than he ought to be???? or maybe hes not "black enough"..
barack obama is the most ELECTABLE candidate for president since ...well, jfk.
that's a reach...what does black enough have to do with anything.
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and why isnt barack obama electable? ...maybe you think he is overly intelligent, or is much more objective than he ought to be???? or maybe hes not "black enough"..
barack obama is the most ELECTABLE candidate for president since ...well, jfk.
Hardly. Too many bigots in this country for a Halfrican American to get elected president. Sad but true.
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has fred thompson announced yet? everytime i hear about him they say he's exploring a run...the repubs can still win this..it's not a longshot..they need a very solid ticket--no dissension in the party and they could win it again...
If Democratic America chooses the woman or the Black man as their nominee, the Republicans could trot out a registered sex offender and still win, so long as he's White and at least 5-foot-10.
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you better dig up thomas jefferson or john adams and ask them to run again..because no president is going to make progressive change because that would mean getting out from under the thumb of corporate america---and if they did that then they wouldn't become president anyhow...
That's your most accurate statement so far.
This is a reality that we need to wake up to, no question about it.
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She understands the political game much better then Obama, and Edwards does not come off as genuine.
I agree but Hillary doesn't come across as genuine either. At least to me she's the least genuine of any of them.
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I am just saying that she seems more consumed with being that 1st woman president than being a good president, and I am not saying that she couldn't be both. I would prefer some who's main goal was to make progressive change in our nation. This is why I support Fred Thompson. He hasn't even announced his running and people are flocking to him. He is letting the people speak.
Which of Fred Thompson's policy positions got you to support him?
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That's your most accurate statement so far.
This is a reality that we need to wake up to, no question about it.
I agree aswell.
It's a sad day when we all know what needs to be done for change but we have to gamble and roll the dice every 4 yrs and just watch the ships roll in...then watch em roll away again.... while our newly elected just sits by the dock of the bay....wasting time.
It's time for a revolt on capital. It's the only way. Like the old saying goes, "If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself!" It's time for a change and it seems no one wants to step up to the plate, so it's time for the people to start putting some Foot N A$$e$.
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I think George Washington did...
No he didn't. He kept his hand in politics even in his 'retirement' prior to his election. Did you know Washington embezzled funds during his presidential tenure? He took more than the presidential salary allotted to him.
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Which of Fred Thompson's policy positions got you to support him?
Honestly, the way he is handling entering the race... He doesn't seem power hungry, and I like that, plus he is a true conservative and that is something the Rep.'s were missing...
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you better dig up thomas jefferson or john adams and ask them to run again..because no president is going to make progressive change because that would mean getting out from under the thumb of corporate america---and if they did that then they wouldn't become president anyhow...
Great point.
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Honestly, the way he is handling entering the race... He doesn't seem power hungry, and I like that, plus he is a true conservative and that is something the Rep.'s were missing...
The path to the office of presidency is the greasiest dirtiest shitpole that can be climbed. Do not think for a moment that Fred (former mega-lobbyist) Thompson isn't power hungry---all the candidates are.
Hell, ambition is a great thing...I wish I had some. It is the platform/positions which matter.
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The path to the office of presidency is the greasiest dirtiest shitpole that can be climbed. Do not think for a moment that Fred (former mega-lobbyist) Thompson isn't power hungry---all the candidates are.
Hell, ambition is a great thing...I wish I had some. It is the platform/positions which matter.
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where did everyone go? lunchtime? sucks for me...working lunch, every lunch.
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where did everyone go? lunchtime? sucks for me...working lunch, every lunch.
Lunchtime? It's only 0730. :)
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if hilary is elected..does that make bill first lady?
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I guess they call him first gentleman? First man?
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Lunchtime? It's only 0730. :)
not in TX...haha
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if hilary is elected..does that make bill first lady?
excellent question!
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not in TX...haha
I like Texas (the people, not the weather). My sister lives there. Nice place.
Funny bumper sticker someone told me about: "Happiness is Texas in my rear view mirror." I guess that's only funny if you don't like Texas. :)
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Yeah, the weather takes some getting used to. I actually enjoy it! This year has sucked because it rained so much, I like sun, it makes me happy! where does your sis live in TX?
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Yeah, the weather takes some getting used to. I actually enjoy it! This year has sucked because it rained so much, I like sun, it makes me happy! where does your sis live in TX?
You must like 100 degree weather in the summer and freezing "wind chill factor" in the winter. I learned several phrases when visiting Texas: "heat index," "wind chill factor," and "cold front."
My sister lives in Duncanville. Where are you?
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Dude... I live in Arlington... we are like 12 miles apart. small world.
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Dude... I live in Arlington... we are like 12 miles apart. small world.
Small world indeed. Arlington is nice. I've been to Lake Arlington a few times. Some beautiful homes in that town.
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yeah, i live about 4 miles from Lake Arlington.
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I agree but Hillary doesn't come across as genuine either. At least to me she's the least genuine of any of them.
Exactly, and a LOT of Americans - especially in the middle where national elections are often decided - feel that way about Hillary now and have felt that way for over 15 years.
If you're age 30 or older, then you know full well why this woman is not an electable candidate.
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I agree aswell.
It's a sad day when we all know what needs to be done for change but we have to gamble and roll the dice every 4 yrs and just watch the ships roll in...then watch em roll away again.... while our newly elected just sits by the dock of the bay....wasting time.
It's time for a revolt on capital. It's the only way. Like the old saying goes, "If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself!" It's time for a change and it seems no one wants to step up to the plate, so it's time for the people to start putting some Foot N A$$e$.
You're right.
My hypothesis is that the power elite want everyone in this country to be so drugged up - prescription or otherwise - that we'll be unable to rise up against their corrupt ways.