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Steve Namat looks great :o
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-------------"Team Gut"---is more like it :-\
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Steve Namat looks great :o
Who is the center guy? Looks good.
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Damn. I'm a Milos supporter, but i hope he has something up his sleeve, [or in his medicine cabinet] to get rid of those guts :-\
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Damn. I'm a Milos supporter, but i hope he has something up his sleeve, [or in his medicine cabinet] to get rid of those guts :-\
But the center guy dont have his gut out.
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Damn. I'm a Milos supporter, but i hope he has something up his sleeve, [or in his medicine cabinet] to get rid of those guts :-\
im pretty sure that the things in his medicine cabinet are what caused those guts.
hope that helps.
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But the center guy dont have his gut out.
let me take a wild guess
I dont think hes been working with milos to long
we'll see what he looks like in 3-4 months
Is it just me but doesnt silvio's gut look smaller in this new pic, where he hasnt trained and been "managed" by milos in a while
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/davemadmax6/CRW_0801_wm.jpg)
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Yes his gut looks smaller when you look at a still of him sucking it in ::)
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let me take a wild guess
I dont think hes been working with milos to long
we'll see what he looks like in 3-4 months
Is it just me but doesnt silvio's gut look smaller in this new pic, where he hasnt trained and been "managed" by milos in a while
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/davemadmax6/CRW_0801_wm.jpg)
Because his gut is sucked in. Maybe he has gut.
Unlike other people saying, i see Silvio bit off and not full.
Milos athletes are all very full. But they own big gut too.
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Yeah, sorry but you guys have no clue. Nice assumptions. Armchair experts. True life morons.
Hide has no gut and he's been working w/ Milos since Jan.
Steve has no gut and has been around nearly a whole week.
The guy on the left has a gut -- and today was the first time I've ever seen him. So however he got his gut, it was his own doing.
::)
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Yeah, sorry but you guys have no clue. Nice assumptions. Armchair experts. True life morons.
Hide has no gut and he's been working w/ Milos since Jan.
Steve has no gut and has been around nearly a whole week.
The guy on the left has a gut -- and today was the first time I've ever seen him. So however he got his gut, it was his own doing.
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Hide's waist looks wide as hell.
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Who's the guy on the left ?
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Yes his gut looks smaller when you look at a still of him sucking it in ::)
Even so, there arn't a whole lot of pro's that could even do that, thats the closest vaccuum shot you'll see out of a pro.
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youd hit it after a couple of shots.
;D
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Hide has no gut and he's been working w/ Milos since Jan.
when my work took me to Tokyo for three seperate months back in 2001-2002, I would see Hide train at Gold's (I think it was the one in Ooimachi). He had an incredible V shape with a tiny tiny waist. Now his aesthetics are long gone.
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Hide has no gut and he's been working w/ Milos since Jan.
come on---are you really that far up milo's ass
I like you garreth but everyone on here has seen Hide's gut growing.....except you (milo's boy)
here is the gut beginning---notice the lower ab deformation (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=140051.0;attach=157206;image)
the lower ab distention is quite clear and only becoming worse---he;s getting that teenage mutant ninja turtle look dexter has
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=128684.0;attach=143551;image)
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I've said this many many times........it's all about size first then conditioning and in the process the conditioning will suffer EVERYTIME........insulin, IGF-1 with the combination of GH has been the main factor in ruining this industry, too bad the judges are too dense to see that.
Please remind me who the person was that introduced insulin to the industry again >:(
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I've said this many many times........it's all about size first then conditioning and in the process the conditioning will suffer EVERYTIME........insulin, IGF-1 with the combination of GH has been the main factor in ruining this industry, too bad the judges are too dense to see that.
Please remind me who the person was that introduced insulin to the industry again >:(
I believe it was a diabetic bodybuilder.
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I believe it was a diabetic bodybuilder.
I guess all pro's are diabetic then.
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I guess all pro's are diabetic then.
I think it was a genuine diabetic, who noticed the effects of slin.
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Who ever introduced insulin into bodybuilding did the industry a HUGE injustice.
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Are most of the pro BBers using insulin now going to be diabetics in the future
if they are then thats scary----------diabetes is some bad sh*t
defintly not worth it
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So Milos introduced slin to bbing...but for some crazy reason, Milos doesn't have a gut.
I never understood that. Can one of you brilliant scientists explain that to me?
Just like any bber who adds 40lbs of muscle, Hide's abs got bigger and deeper. A gut is when his stomach protrudes w/o significant muscle. Hide's doesn't.
Gimme a break -- I see the guy every day.
I thought it was funny when some of you accused me of having a gut. Desperate.
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So Milos introduced slin to bbing...but for some crazy reason, Milos doesn't have a gut.
I never understood that. Can one of you brilliant scientists explain that to me?
Just like any bber who adds 40lbs of muscle, Hide's abs got bigger and deeper. A gut is when his stomach protrudes w/o significant muscle. Hide's doesn't.
Gimme a break -- I see the guy every day.
I thought it was funny when some of you accused me of having a gut. Desperate.
1. Milo's has no reason to increase his insulin, he's not going to compete, it's for pure vanity. Plus, even if he did compete, I don't think he's dumb enough to ruin HIS symmtery.
2. See, thats the problem, Hide isn't built for 40lbs of more muscle, thats why his symmtery is ruined or getting ruined, improve on the conditioning, NOT the size unless that person ABSOLUTLY needs more size, Hide didn't need more size.
Get off the size bullshit and stop helping being the enabler of continuing trying to ruin the industry, concentrate on quality of muscle not quantity!
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1. Milo's has no reason to increase his insulin, he's not going to compete, it's for pure vanity. Plus, even if he did compete, I don't think he's dumb enough to ruin HIS symmtery.
2. See, thats the problem, Hide isn't built for 40lbs of more muscle, thats why his symmtery is ruined or getting ruined, improve on the conditioning, NOT the size unless that person ABSOLUTLY needs more size, Hide didn't need more size.
Get off the size bullshit and stop helping being the enabler of continuing trying to ruin the industry, concentrate on quality of muscle not quantity!
completely agree
good post
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1. Milo's has no reason to increase his insulin, he's not going to compete, it's for pure vanity. Plus, even if he did compete, I don't think he's dumb enough to ruin HIS symmtery.
2. See, thats the problem, Hide isn't built for 40lbs of more muscle, thats why his symmtery is ruined or getting ruined, improve on the conditioning, NOT the size unless that person ABSOLUTLY needs more size, Hide didn't need more size.
Get off the size bullshit and stop helping being the enabler of continuing trying to ruin the industry, concentrate on quality of muscle not quantity!
1. You are guessing, there is no way you can know this.
2. That's your opinion.
Get off the tiny-boy Zane/swimmer trip and stop going against what the majority of the fans and bbers themselves, want!
::)
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Steve Namat looks great :o
Are you sure the guy in the middle is on team Milos? He doesn't have an expanded gut and wide waist coupled with small arms.
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b.b. is a total joke. :-[
Why are you on this board?
Weird, we must be a lot more fun than we realize...here's a bunny with a pancake on his head to entertain you:
(http://www.swordplay.net/stuff/bunny_pancake.jpg)
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Steve Namat looks great :o
Steve's looking insane, bone dry and ready!
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let me take a wild guess
I dont think hes been working with milos to long
we'll see what he looks like in 3-4 months
Is it just me but doesnt silvio's gut look smaller in this new pic, where he hasnt trained and been "managed" by milos in a while
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i265/davemadmax6/CRW_0801_wm.jpg)
WTF???? Now that's a taper! Yeah, he's sucking it in but at least he can. Ever see Coleman try to do that?
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stop going against what the majority of the fans and bbers themselves, want!
the number of amateur competitors is way down from the 1980s and 1990s. the number of contests, both amateur and pro, is way down. the number of fans attending shows, both amateur and pro, is way down.
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excuse me, i ment to say milos's bber's are a total joke.
heh, you realize how many bbers have received advice/training from Milos...? You've basically said, again: bbing is a total joke. Just live with it -- go back to http://www.blubberbuster.com/ since you've got no other reason for being here other than to bash the people you envy.
the number of amateur competitors is way down from the 1980s and 1990s. the number of contests, both amateur and pro, is way down. the number of fans attending shows, both amateur and pro, is way down.
Show me numbers. Until you do, you're no better than the guys claiming to know what Milos does/takes. Someone, somewhere, is making a ton of cash off massive muscles...go figure. It's called business. Customers pay the bills. Loud message board bandits might make it seem that the masses want what they want, but just like the loud morons telling the experts what they're doing wrong...must I continue? I love it when my clients tell me how I should program their sites...use AJAX to communicate with the database and run the JavaScript code to optimize the recursive paradigm. hahaahahaa!
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Honestly, they looked ugly...
HAHAHA LOL, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS "3 UGLY MEN"
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I think it was a genuine diabetic, who noticed the effects of slin.
tim belknap
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Yeah, sorry but you guys have no clue. Nice assumptions. Armchair experts. True life morons.
Hide has no gut and he's been working w/ Milos since Jan.
Steve has no gut and has been around nearly a whole week.
The guy on the left has a gut -- and today was the first time I've ever seen him. So however he got his gut, it was his own doing.
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i think a bit rich calling these guys morons when al they are doing is looking at a picture that isnt pshopped dont you think?
to me the guys on the ends look like crap and both have guts and the guy in the middle looks like he ''could'' have a gut but nonetheless doesnt look great other than better than the others..
when you compare poo to poo, its the "nicest" poo that actually looks good.
none of those guys in that pic look good- its a poster for how BS bodybuilding has become...a haven for the delusional narcissist and cash cow for those who feed on it.
If you take the high moral ground then Milos- although he's doing right by his clients in trying to get them to be competitive in shows- he probably should think about where he's taking the sport and how he's taking his clients there...sure ethics dont pay the bills....but has anyone ever taken legal action against a trainer for damages of any type before?....we might see this start happening soon and it makes you wonder if its worth it coz literally everything earnt can be lost from 1 lawsuit...let alone destroy you from a class action.
Milos are you listening?
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Show me numbers. Until you do, you're no better than the guys claiming to know what Milos does/takes.
You're welcome to look through my vintage magazine collection (http://musclememory.com/mags.php). In the early 1980s, between the AAU and NPC, there was a bodybuilding contest somewhere in southern California most every other weekend. There were more IFBB pro contests, and they would actually sell out. And these weren't big expo weekends. Just stand-alone contests. Go to the theatre, watch a 3-4 hour show, then go home.
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I think it was a genuine diabetic, who noticed the effects of slin.
Tim Belknap
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garraeth is cut up. he knows his stuff
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1. You are guessing, there is no way you can know this.
2. That's your opinion.
Get off the tiny-boy Zane/swimmer trip and stop going against what the majority of the fans and bbers themselves, want!
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Which majority? How many threads on here and everywhere else have you read over the years that this or that guy looks like shit because of his "GH" gut, how many posts have you read that Ronnie looked better in 98', how many posts and thread have you read that people would rather look like the bodybuilders of the 80' and 90's as opposed to now.
I'd venture to say that the industry is going against what the majority of fans want to see, not the other way around.
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Which majority? How many threads on here and everywhere else have you read over the years that this or that guy looks like shit because of his "GH" gut, how many posts have you read that Ronnie looked better in 98', how many posts and thread have you read that people would rather look like the bodybuilders of the 80' and 90's as opposed to now.
I'd venture to say that the industry is going against what the majority of fans want to see, not the other way around.
The Coach do you think you have a better physique than Garraeth
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Hide has no gut and he's been working w/ Milos since Jan.
Hide has a gut. What are you talking about?
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The Coach do you think you have a better physique than Garraeth
It's not about Garreth and I. It's about our difference in philosophy. But I am getting ready for a show on Dec. 1 if he cares to join in ;D
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before and after 8)
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before and after 8)
That comparison is just rediculous and sad...........great job Milo's >:(
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damn his waist was incredible before :o
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damn his waist was incredible before :o
not to mention that his actual upper body mass didn't grow! sad sad...
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He lost symmetry, conditioning and separation..........just the opposite of what BBing should be about.
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Why would you want to have a small waist? Guts are in, small waist is out. Milos does a good job of helping his clients reach this goal.
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Why would you want to have a small waist? Guts are in, small waist is out. Milos does a good job of helping his clients reach this goal.
LOL....good point, can't argue with that!
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Like milos or not, all three of his guys are in better shape than silvio at least if the pics were taken approx the same time.
Silvio is missing alot of separation and fullness. I'm pretty sure he will still have a gut in his standing relaxed pose. Most of todays BB's don't really hold their guts in. Back in the early 90's the guys knew to hold them in even when they were done with their routine and walking off the stage, todays pros can't even hold them in through the transitions.
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Like milos or not, all three of his guys are in better shape than silvio at least if the pics were taken approx the same time.
Silvio is missing alot of separation and fullness. I'm pretty sure he will still have a gut in his standing relaxed pose. Most of todays BB's don't really hold their guts in. Back in the early 90's the guys knew to hold them in even when they were done with their routine and walking off the stage, todays pros can't even hold them in through the transitions.
Dballin you really think those guys look better than silvio? Be honest
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before and after 8)
Wow.
garraeth, can't you see Hide's gut sticks out further than his chest there? "Just caught him in a bad transitioning phase" I guess LOL
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Yes from a conditioning standpoint. In the pics shown Silvio is softer without a doubt and has less detail. I would rather look like silvio, but BB is judged by a different standard and to to say that silvio is more conditioned would be telling a lie. If they made aestheics and muscular fullness a higher priority and took some emphasis away from that freaky size and super dry conditioning. Less people would be destroying their physiques with the use of dangerous drugs.
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The look milos gives his clients is very similar. The muscles have a popping look to them. Very full and shredded at all times. System seems to work really well with the only exception being the gut his system seems to give. If those guys show up on gameday ready for battle...who cares?
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All respect to this genius they call Milos!
Milos has made the gut 'sexy' again!
He has shown the industry, that with the right posing-techniques, 'the bloat' is highly attractive!
Milos has made 'drugs' the new cool!
Milos is the pioneer of the 'pregnant look' !
They dont call him 'The Mind' for nothing!
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notice how garreth has dissappeared from this thread :-\
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Who ever introduced insulin into bodybuilding did the industry a HUGE injustice.
isn't that Milos?
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That comparison is just rediculous and sad...........great job Milo's >:(
I agree, except on your spelling of ridiculous and everything else you post.
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No Guts, No Glory.
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isn't that Milos?
Yes, I intended to have plenty of sarcasm in that comment!
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i support all of coach's posts in this thread
guts have to go!
i would bann insulin sales with out a prescription same as with legit gh that prescription is needed
the only reason for what you see on the jap is the use of humalog through out the day incorperated to the gh with massive doses of simply carbs waxy maze digested post insulin shots especially when low bf%
the result is the big guts,,this has to change
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i support all of coach's posts in this thread
I think I just went into a cardiac arrest..lol
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The 'pregnant look' is the look of the new millenium!
Milos is proud of his athletes and their bloats! He supports the look of today's Pro Bodybuilder.
God bless Milos for thinking outside the square!
It is now time for the meatheads, latent-homosexuals, freaks and losers to get behind Milos and the direction that the industry is heading!
The 'Pregnant Pro' is the new moniker for this highly respected and valued sport!
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Hail the hater Wanker Wood
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Milos sticks to his principles, and that is admirable! He will not be swayed.
The 'Pregnant Pro' is what bodybuilding has been waiting for! No more vacuums and V-tapers! It is now all about 'the barrel'.
The Mind, always one step ahead!
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hey Hank wood your a fucking idiot but you probably know that by now.
Your mom once told me that it would be better if you ended up as wet spot on the sheet and
I think we all agree on that.
Peace little pussy 8)
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Milos understands better than most, that we are entering a 'brave new world' in Pro Bodybuilding.
He is determined to follow through with his agenda; Team Milos quote: 'Distension is the new desired aesthetic'.
Milos' stable of bloated Mass Monsters is a work in progress. Stay true to your vision Milos; these early results are very promising!
Peace.
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notice how garreth has dissappeared from this thread :-\
::) no moron, I have other more important stuff to do than argue on the internet with self-appointed "experts"...
...like I said, when my clients come to me and tell me how to do what I do as a profession it's a complete joke.
You are doing the same. No clue. No experience. No idea. Good way to make yourself look like a complete idiot in front of people who actually know what's going on.
gh15 = Hank Wood
The Coach = self-appointed "expert" with 25 years "experience" (coaching little league...)
Nordic Beast = self-appointed "expert" with 0 years "experience"
The shining light of intelligence in this thread astounds me. ahahahhaha! Next time I want to gain 15lbs of lean muscle, I'm coming to YOU for advice! lol.
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Hide is gonna send his killer tomatoes after you bitches >:(
(http://www.itsonlyamovie.co.uk/COVERS1/RETURN%20OF%20THE%20KILLER%20TOMATOES.jpg)
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People underestimate Milos he is not a trainer of champions he is a Scientist doing a battery of tests on Guinee pigs if he loses one client to palumboism he moves on to the next guinee pig.Simple as That.
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Milos understands better than most, that we are entering a 'brave new world' in Pro Bodybuilding.
He is determined to follow through with his agenda; Team Milos quote: 'Distension is the new desired aesthetic'.
Milos' stable of bloated Mass Monsters is a work in progress. Stay true to your vision Milos; these early results are very promising!
Peace.
Honestly, don't you get bored writing essay's?
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::) no moron, I have other more important stuff to do than argue on the internet with self-appointed "experts"...
...like I said, when my clients come to me and tell me how to do what I do as a profession it's a complete joke.
You are doing the same. No clue. No experience. No idea. Good way to make yourself look like a complete idiot in front of people who actually know what's going on.
gh15 = Hank Wood
The Coach = self-appointed "expert" with 25 years "experience" (coaching little league...)
Nordic Beast = self-appointed "expert" with 0 years "experience"
The shining light of intelligence in this thread astounds me. ahahahhaha! Next time I want to gain 15lbs of lean muscle, I'm coming to YOU for advice! lol.
actually no its you who keeps running away from the arguement--
I provided photographic evidence to dispute your claim that Hide didnt have a gut----of course instead of even mention the pictures clearly showing your arguement to hold no water, you just personally attack someone you know nothing about--i.e. me
your being a child
IN the pictures I showed does HIde have a gut or not??
everyone else on here can see that he has a gut----except you (coincidence...I think not)
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::) no moron, I have other more important stuff to do than argue on the internet with self-appointed "experts"...
...like I said, when my clients come to me and tell me how to do what I do as a profession it's a complete joke.
You are doing the same. No clue. No experience. No idea. Good way to make yourself look like a complete idiot in front of people who actually know what's going on.
The Coach = self-appointed "expert" with 25 years "experience" (coaching little league...)
No idea? Ok, then I guess we can call Milo's a "self-appointed" expert as well, I have NO PROBLEM putting my knowledge against Milos' at any time, the only difference is I wouldn't use my clients as Guinea pigs. BTW, if YOUR clients try to tell you how to do YOUR job, then you must be doing something wrong............I don't have that problem!
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No idea? Ok, then I guess we can call Milo's a "self-appointed" expert as well, I have NO PROBLEM putting my knowledge against Milos' at any time, the only difference is I wouldn't use my clients as Guinea pigs. BTW, if YOUR clients try to tell you how to do YOUR job, then you must be doing something wrong............I don't have that problem!
Are you talking about your G4P patrons, The Coach?
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Hides physique is like a pile of crap in this pic....maybe its just a bad shot of him
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I think it was a genuine diabetic, who noticed the effects of slin.
short super thick guy in the 80's. Tim something? damn it i cant remember him now.
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tim belknap
ahhh there it is.
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Hide's pics of 2002 as a amateur .
(photos courtesy of hide-productions.com)
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actually no its you who keeps running away from the arguement--
I provided photographic evidence to dispute your claim that Hide didnt have a gut----of course instead of even mention the pictures clearly showing your arguement to hold no water, you just personally attack someone you know nothing about--i.e. me
your being a child
IN the pictures I showed does HIde have a gut or not??
everyone else on here can see that he has a gut----except you (coincidence...I think not)
Ask Hide if he has a gut. Of course he doesn't.
You can interpret the photo however you like -- I see him daily. No gut. He has, however, gained like 40lbs muscle from these 2002 amature photos. So apparently you are mistaking additional muscle mass for a "gut". And, as I said earlier, the first guy in the photo does have a gut. (funny how you didn't see that -- with your know-it-all perceptions ::) ) Hide does't. Why would I say one guy has a gut, and another doesn't? That's just stupid. I'm telling it how it is.
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Ask Hide if he has a gut. Of course he doesn't.
You can interpret the photo however you like -- I see him daily. No gut.
So what is it that protrudes past his chest in the pic? You mean it's muscle? Even if so it's still a gut all the same = unaesthetic by most peoples bodybuilding standards.
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1. Milo's has no reason to increase his insulin, he's not going to compete, it's for pure vanity. Plus, even if he did compete, I don't think he's dumb enough to ruin HIS symmtery.
2. See, thats the problem, Hide isn't built for 40lbs of more muscle, thats why his symmtery is ruined or getting ruined, improve on the conditioning, NOT the size unless that person ABSOLUTLY needs more size, Hide didn't need more size.
Get off the size bullshit and stop helping being the enabler of continuing trying to ruin the industry, concentrate on quality of muscle not quantity!
very good post!
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Hide's pics of 2002 as a amateur .
(photos courtesy of hide-productions.com)
He actually looked good back then. Nice symmetry, no blocky middle, facial structures still human. he's turned into an ugly freak now.
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Which majority? How many threads on here and everywhere else have you read over the years that this or that guy looks like shit because of his "GH" gut, how many posts have you read that Ronnie looked better in 98', how many posts and thread have you read that people would rather look like the bodybuilders of the 80' and 90's as opposed to now.
I'd venture to say that the industry is going against what the majority of fans want to see, not the other way around.
hahahaha the Ron gut shot series is hilarious
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i thought johnnie jackson was with team milos now ???
how long did he last, one workout?
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short super thick guy in the 80's. Tim something? damn it i cant remember him now.
Tim Belknap
(http://www.bodybuildingfanatic.com/timbelknap.jpg)
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i thought johnnie jackson was with team milos now ???
how long did he last, one workout?
Actually - five...and today he is back for more...
JJ is going to scare some people in just to few weeks...People like Jay, Ronnie...Victor...
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how? did you staple calves on him?
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Actually - five...and today he is back for more...
JJ is going to scare some people in just to few weeks...People like Jay, Ronnie...Victor...
Milo's, check your PM.
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JJ is going to scare some people in just to few weeks...People like Jay, Ronnie...Victor...
Are you saying JJ is going to break new boundaries in the G4P scene, Milos?
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Actually - five...and today he is back for more...
JJ is going to scare some people in just to few weeks...People like Jay, Ronnie...Victor...
He's going to show up with the biggest gut ever in bodybuilding? ???
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So what is it that protrudes past his chest in the pic? You mean it's muscle? Even if so it's still a gut all the same = unaesthetic by most peoples bodybuilding standards.
um, it doesn't protrude past his chest in any picture -- or in real life while he's walking around or lifting or doing normal every day activities. ::)
fyi, this is a gut. This is protruding past his chest:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronnie-coleman-mr-olympia-2004/28.JPG)
Hide has NOTHING like that (oh, btw, that's the #1 bber in the world fyi -- so apparently most people DO like that sort of thing...I don't, but everyone else obviously does). You (and everyone screaming bloody murder: Hide has a gut !$&#@!) are interjecting what you want to see/say simply to diss Milos and Hide. It's pretty obvious.
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Milo's, check your PM.
I did...check yours... ;)
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garraeth its okay man we still love you :-*
ps. hide has a gut and milos is the blame for it ;D
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Whether you believe Hide has a gut now or not, he looked much better in the pics from 2002.
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Whether you believe Hide has a gut now or not, he looked much better in the pics from 2002.
heh, so like I said before, you guys are more into the swimmer look...and not pro-bber look.
Fine. There's a board for you all at Mens Fitness.
Go there. ::)
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heh, so like I said before, you guys are more into the swimmer look...and not pro-bber look.
Fine. There's a board for you all at Mens Fitness.
Go there. ::)
Well he looks a lot more muscular than you do here. If he is a swimmer, what does that make you garraeth?
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Well he looks a lot more muscular than you do here. If he is a swimmer, what does that make you garraeth?
heh, omg... ::)
Makes me a beginner/novice. What? You thought I was a pro? hahahaaa!
Go back to checking out doods on Mens Fitness. Stop looking at my package.
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JJ is going to scare some people in just to few weeks...People like Jay, Ronnie...Victor...
:)
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You can interpret the photo however you like -- I see him daily. No gut. He has, however, gained like 40lbs muscle from these 2002 amature photos. So apparently you are mistaking additional muscle mass for a "gut".
He use to have a tiny waist. Now he doesn't. He use to have a V taper. Now he doesn't. His lose of a V shape is not due to additional muscle. It is due to an increase of viceral fat, the fat between the internal organs. This is a side effect of insulin abuse. You never saw it in bodybuilders prior to the late 1980s.
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He use to have a tiny waist. Now he doesn't. He use to have a V taper. Now he doesn't. His lose of a V shape is not due to additional muscle. It is due to an increase of viceral fat, the fat between the internal organs. This is a side effect of insulin abuse. You never saw it in bodybuilders prior to the late 1980s.
If you kept dieting could you burn viceral fat?
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He use to have a tiny waist. Now he doesn't. He use to have a V taper. Now he doesn't. His lose of a V shape is not due to additional muscle. It is due to an increase of viceral fat, the fat between the internal organs. This is a side effect of insulin abuse. You never saw it in bodybuilders prior to the late 1980s.
Yeah, no it's not.
And thanks to that bit of info from you, I now know not to listen to any of your advice in the future... "Expert" or not.
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If you kept dieting could you burn viceral fat?
sure...if they come off and diet down to a skinny twig and start from scratch..
but vanity won't allow them to...
see the disgusted/kamili experiment for further details
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When I started working with Hide people were saying NO WAY he will ever make it on Olympia stage...here on getbig last year I promised HE WILL BE ON OLYMPIA STAGE WITHIN A YEAR...He almost qualified in his last show 2006 (4th in Holland)...He could/should qualify at the Ironman (pics I am posting here)...but nevertheless he did manage to qualify week later.
He is FIRST Japanese bodybuilder EVER TO QUALIFY for the Olympia...and HE IS ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER... ;D
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He is FIRST Japanese bodybuilder EVER TO QUALIFY for the Olympia...and HE IS ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER... ;D
As long as mass over all else continues to be rewarded, he'll do well. There will just be fewer and fewer contests with fewer and fewer people in the audience to perform to.
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You post implies that Johnny Jackson will be a threat to win the O this year. I believe that even some of the "experts" around here would say that's a bit far fetched.
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Yeah, no it's not.
And thanks to that bit of info from you, I now know not to listen to any of your advice in the future... "Expert" or not.
There is no consensus on what causes the gut. There are plenty of pros and experts who DO feel insulin is responsible. Do you feel Jim Magnone is a simple crackpot or hater? What about Sean Maloney? There are tons of pros who've gone on record saying insulin causes big guts. Do they just have an agenda - to hate on Milos? I don't think Kamali has worked with Milos but he feels insulin caused his gut.
As far as Hide's gut, see the pic on page 3 again. Yes, it sticks out further that his chest. No it's not as bad as Ronnie's. You can't deny it's grown A LOT for whatever reason.
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There is no consensus on what causes the gut. There are plenty of pros and experts who DO feel insulin is responsible. Do you feel Jim Magnone is a simple crackpot or hater? What about Sean Maloney? There are tons of pros who've gone on record saying insulin causes big guts. Do they just have an agenda - to hate on Milos? I don't think Kamali has worked with Milos but he feels insulin caused his gut.
As far as Hide's gut, see the pic on page 3 again. Yes, it sticks out further that his chest. No it's not as bad as Ronnie's. You can't deny it's grown A LOT for whatever reason.
See here garraeth. You tell me it doesn't push slightly past his chest. The ab shape used to be sort of concave, now it's convex.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=162787.0;attach=187259;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=162787.0;attach=187260;image)
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You post implies that Johnny Jackson will be a threat to win the O this year. I believe that even some of the "experts" around here would say that's a bit far fetched.
Really?
2004 when I suggested Gustavo will be a threat - I was told he could not make top 10 even if half of the judging panel comes from Puerto Rico...
He was ignored at the prejudging...12th man called out and ONCE HE GOT THE CHANCE he moved up to top 10...top 9-8-7-6-5-4...and finished 3rd...
I had him winning that year - and as some experts (I promised not to mention names - so I won't) - said: in the "perfect world" Gustavo could/should have won that show...
At his previous Olympia - he was 24th out of 25 guys...
I am ONLY and ALWAYS trying to get the most out of each and every guy I work with...and on the day of the contest - let the best man win...
JJ is PHENOMENON that could...should and WILL come ready to fight...and JJ at his 100% could, should and if we live "in the perfect world" I would say possibly will have a chance to win it.
But, he will have to deal with few of his teammates as each and every guy coming from Koloseum is going to shows ready to fight...
I don't work with people who train to LOOSE...
I am preparing EVERYONE for one thing - be the best you can be...and believe you can win...AND MANY, MANY, MANY GREAT BODYBUILDERS NOWADAYS COULD VERY EASILY BEAT JAY, RONNIE, VICTOR...and others .
I don't see anyone so superior or 'unbeatable'...it is ONLY FEELING THAT IFBB will NOT ALLOW this or that...and I think - otherwise.
Judges are more and more actually watching the shows...and JUDGING...
Last few shows I witnessed make me believe that indeed - OLYMPIA 2007 is up for grabs...and I have few guys with legitimate chance to take that title.
JJ is just one of them.
He is with me whole week next week - enough time to "grow bigger" ;D than Jay and Ronnie combined...
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There is no consensus on what causes the gut.
There is more and more in the medical community, and it's coming from HIV research. The protruding stomach due to an increase in visceral fat (adipose cells) is a common side effect from certain HIV meds, and it seems to be worse for people on HIV meds and growth hormone. And these HIV meds are known to affect insulin sensitivity.
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There is more and more in the medical community, and it's coming from HIV research. The protruding stomach due to an increase in visceral fat (adipose cells) is a common side effect from certain HIV meds, and it seems to be worse for people on HIV meds and growth hormone. And these HIV meds are known to affect insulin sensitivity.
Let me put it like this:
IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING - INSULIN COULD BE YOUR VERY BEST FRIEND...AND WHEN YOU DON'T - IT WILL BECOME YOUR WORST ENEMY....
People against INSULIN (regardless if we are talking about knowing how to take advantage of endogenous or using exogenous) really DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE...
Under certain circumstances - YES - it will do all the horrible things few of you mention....but UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES - IT WILL BE BY FAR BODYBUILDER'S BEST FRIEND...BY FAR.
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Let me put it like this:
IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING - INSULIN COULD BE YOUR VERY BEST FRIEND...AND WHEN YOU DON'T - IT WILL BECOME YOUR WORST ENEMY....
People against INSULIN (regardless if we are talking about knowing how to take advantage of endogenous or using exogenous) really DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE...
Under certain circumstances - YES - it will do all the horrible things few of you mention....but UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES - IT WILL BE BY FAR BODYBUILDER'S BEST FRIEND...BY FAR.
Basically keep it high around workouts only?
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There is more and more in the medical community, and it's coming from HIV research. The protruding stomach due to an increase in visceral fat (adipose cells) is a common side effect from certain HIV meds, and it seems to be worse for people on HIV meds and growth hormone. And these HIV meds are known to affect insulin sensitivity.
I know but like you say these are HIV+ people and not healthy athletes.
If I'm not mistaken growth hormone is used there to lower visceral fat even though it's known to cause insulin resistance.
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Basically keep it high around workouts only?
Well...IF EVERYONE STARTS THINKING...ANSWERS WOULD JUST COME...
That is good start...but I would not finish with "ONLY"...
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If I'm not mistaken growth hormone is used there to lower visceral fat even though it's known to cause insulin resistance.
Visceral fat is a real problem with some people who have been 10+ years on HAART (3 or more anti-HIV drug cocktails). Adding rHGH did not help and sometimes made it worse. Now there are protocols going on that look promising with GH precursors. However, a better solution is to find new HAART drugs that don't cause insulin sensitivity.
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Under certain circumstances - YES - it will do all the horrible things few of you mention....but UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES - IT WILL BE BY FAR BODYBUILDER'S BEST FRIEND...BY FAR.
For bodybuilders who want to be mass monsters. But I'd take a pro's physique from the late 1970s or early 1980s over any of the top pros of the last 20 years.
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@Tim: At what point did insulin use become popular in bodybuilding? Various forms have been around for >50 years.
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JoJ has one of the thickest chests. IMO he needs to bring up his calves and quads, and to work on conditioning.
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the density and thickness displayed on jj's physique is not the result of light weight giant sets.
i believe that milos will make jj bigger with drugs, blood and timed nutrition, but the quality muscle is already there and it aint going anywhere in a hurry.
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@Tim: At what point did insulin use become popular in bodybuilding? Various forms have been around for >50 years.
rHGH became available in the late 1980 and pretty much all the pros were using it by the early 1990s. Adding insulin to the the GH became conventional wisdom in the mid 1990s.
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Let me put it like this:
IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING - INSULIN COULD BE YOUR VERY BEST FRIEND...AND WHEN YOU DON'T - IT WILL BECOME YOUR WORST ENEMY....
But one mis-calculation will kill you.
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Actually - five...and today he is back for more...
JJ is going to scare some people in just to few weeks...People like Jay, Ronnie...Victor...
Milo's, not a jab, are you going to make sure J.J. trains calves?
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But one mis-calculation will kill you.
you have to be stupid to mis-calculate that shit
honnestly
10 gr carbs per IU, what's so complicated ???
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you have to be stupid to mis-calculate that shit
honnestly
10 gr carbs per IU, what's so complicated ???
I knew you was playing with a little gear. welcome aboard :D
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lol big news, I never said I was natural ;D
anyway regarding the insulin, I know a shitload of guy who use it ( hell only at my gym !) and nobody ever had a probleme with it
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JJ need bring up his calf
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JJ need bring up his calf
They are even more smaller. :o
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JJ lifted w/ us today (I'm gonna post in the training section in a sec). One of the cooler guys I've got to lift with. He's spotting me and saying all sorts of weird stuff: "candy", "thick", "easy", "light", "nothing", "pain", "no problem", and more (can't remember)....over and over like a chant. hehe.
He's pretty badass...amazing thickness.
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JJ lifted w/ us today (I'm gonna post in the training section in a sec). One of the cooler guys I've got to lift with. He's spotting me and saying all sorts of weird stuff: "candy", "thick", "easy", "light", "nothing", "pain", "no problem", and more (can't remember)....over and over like a chant. hehe.
He's pretty badass...amazing thickness.
it most be awesome to train with them !
if everything goes at it is planned, I may join you for a couple of weeks next year before my show ;) (if Milos have the time of course ! )
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Let me put it like this:
IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING - INSULIN COULD BE YOUR VERY BEST FRIEND...
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haha, Bast000 our resident expert...teach us Bast. Teach us.
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haha, Bast000 our resident expert...teach us Bast. Teach us.
why don't you teach use how to inject synthol in the biceps and get a severe case of gyno first?
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why don't you teach use how to inject synthol in the biceps and get a severe case of gyno first?
But you're an expert in all things bodybuilding -- you tell me.
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But you're an expert in all things bodybuilding -- you tell me.
what you do isn't bodybuilding, it's called being a body dysmorphic middle-aged schmoe.
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what you do isn't bodybuilding, it's called being a body dysmorphic middle-aged schmoe.
But I though that was part of bodybuilding???
So you aren't the bodybuilding guru I thought you were. My image of you has been blown! :o
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I think these pics speak for themselves.
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Looks like I've got a fan ;D
Did you rasterbate all my pictures and wallpaper your room with them?
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Well...IF EVERYONE STARTS THINKING...ANSWERS WOULD JUST COME...
That is good start...but I would not finish with "ONLY"...
Take fast acting slin prior to workout, ingest simple carbs, aminos, etc.(Milos Drinks) just after slin, continue with drinks during workout to prevent hypo, and to keep feeding the mucles being worked. Only do 1-2 bodyparts at a training session, focusing on giant sets to ensure nutrients have somewhere to go, and the super carrier(slin) is there to take them. Take slin again post workout with another drink and have a clean meal, good carbs, protein and no fat. And thats the secret.
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you have to be stupid to mis-calculate that shit
honnestly
10 gr carbs per IU, what's so complicated ???
Not as simple as that, it's easier to mis-calculate than you think.
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what you do isn't bodybuilding, it's called being a body dysmorphic middle-aged schmoe.
Careful what you say, he'll call Milos in a heartbeat and spin everything you say......trust me, I know!
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Careful what you say, he'll call Milos in a heartbeat and spin everything you say......trust me, I know!
Milos = called! >:(
Speed-dial.
Duh. You do realize I told him what you said a while back in your PM's to me...and he read what you posted...and put 2 and 2 together and realized for himself that you were speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
--You're all for his training methods.
--But everything he does is shit...and all his trainees look like garbage and suck.
okey...
...and this is why I didn't bother following up w/ any PM or call for that Saturday a while back -- not worth me arguing someone whose delusional and says one thing one time, and another thing another time. But, Milos re-initiated contact these last couple days (on his own) because of your fun-fun, pro-Milos posts in this very thread.
I didn't have to "spin" anything...you did a good job of burying yourself. Anyone who reads the boards can see that... ::)
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Milos = called! >:(
Speed-dial.
Duh. You do realize I told him what you said a while back in your PM's to me...and he read what you posted...and put 2 and 2 together and realized for himself that you were speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
--You're all for his training methods.
--But everything he does is shit...and all his trainees look like garbage and suck.
okey...
...and this is why I didn't bother following up w/ any PM or call for that Saturday a while back -- not worth me arguing someone whose delusional and says one thing one time, and another thing another time. But, Milos re-initiated contact these last couple days (on his own) because of your fun-fun, pro-Milos posts in this very thread.
I didn't have to "spin" anything...you did a good job of burying yourself. Anyone who reads the boards can see that... ::)
It's amazing how wrong you get things, I didn't speak out of both sides of my mouth, post the PM's then compare them to the posts, I have nothing to hide. I spoke w/ Milos today.
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Milos = called! >:(
Speed-dial.
Duh. You do realize I told him what you said a while back in your PM's to me...and he read what you posted...and put 2 and 2 together and realized for himself that you were speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
--You're all for his training methods.
--But everything he does is shit...and all his trainees look like garbage and suck.
okey...
...and this is why I didn't bother following up w/ any PM or call for that Saturday a while back -- not worth me arguing someone whose delusional and says one thing one time, and another thing another time. But, Milos re-initiated contact these last couple days (on his own) because of your fun-fun, pro-Milos posts in this very thread.
I didn't have to "spin" anything...you did a good job of burying yourself. Anyone who reads the boards can see that... ::)
BTW, how do you suppose I buried myself, I said I would train with him, you didn't follow up and let me know. I was ready that Saturday, Milos apologized for not getting back with me for last Saturday. So after a week he was the one who got back to me, not you, I was ready last week, he wanted me to come in to day at 5 to train with JJ but I was already in the middle of my training at MetRx, I also told him earlier today in a PM that I was leaving on Vaction tomorrow.
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It's amazing how wrong you get things, I didn't speak out of both sides of my mouth, post the PM's then compare them to the posts, I have nothing to hide. I spoke w/ Milos today.
You're joking right? One too many baseballs to the head? okey...here it is:
I have no problem training, but you need to find one post that I made where I said his program was easy, I was the one that was backing his program.
What I said about my camps is that bodybuilders were not athletes and they wouldn't be able to make it through the program. If you remember I mentioned that I did tire flip, farmers carries, keg tossing agility drills, etc.
I'm all up for a training day with Milos, but you need to go back and get your story straight about what i said!
Like I just posted:
--you're all for his training programs
--everything else he does is shit and all his trainees look like garbage (see this thread).
...what's that supposed to prove? Other than I wasn't lying or spinning...?
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BTW, how do you suppose I buried myself, I said I would train with him, you didn't follow up and let me know. I was ready that Saturday, Milos apologized for not getting back with me for last Saturday. So after a week he was the one who got back to me, not you, I was ready last week, he wanted me to come in to day at 5 to train with JJ but I was already in the middle of my training at MetRx, I also told him earlier today in a PM that I was leaving on Vaction tomorrow.
Good for you then. Join us at your leasure.
Sorry, I didn't know he invited you...but this little illustration of yours just goes to show we aren't joined at the hip like your previous post implied:
Careful what you say, he'll call Milos in a heartbeat and spin everything you say......trust me, I know!
And like I posted earlier, I didn't care to call you back the last saturday after you're double-speak.
Man, you're obviously not a corporate guy...never played the "game"...C.Y.A. as they say...
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mr. cone shaped tits ( :P) upped his post count a couple hundred with this post.
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JJ need bring up his calf
No. All of his lower body.
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JJ lifted w/ us today (I'm gonna post in the training section in a sec). One of the cooler guys I've got to lift with. He's spotting me and saying all sorts of weird stuff: "candy", "thick", "easy", "light", "nothing", "pain", "no problem", and more (can't remember)....over and over like a chant. hehe.
He's pretty badass...amazing thickness.
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Milos is this top avaliable at your estore?
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