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Title: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 12, 2007, 12:28:51 PM
In the PR thread I mentioned I got 405 lbs x 20 last Sunday.  I was still a bit sore in the hamstrings from that session but wanted to try my new camera and to verify my claims.  This video is of my doing 495 lbs x 10.  I probably had 1-2 more in me, but I didn't want to go too nuts.





Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: sgt. d on August 12, 2007, 12:31:29 PM
Are they better to do from the floor? For years I stop a couple inches from the ground and continue. I guess I have been doing them wrong :-[
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: pumpher on August 12, 2007, 12:36:36 PM
Nice lifts Chris!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: WOOO on August 12, 2007, 12:37:11 PM
Are they better to do from the floor? For years I stop a couple inches from the ground and continue. I guess I have been doing them wrong :-[

hitting the floor helps a bit...


nice reps dude.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 12, 2007, 12:37:23 PM
I don't know that it makes a huge difference if you do them from the floor or a few inches short.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: XXXII/LX on August 12, 2007, 12:38:17 PM
Strong dude, all the way strong dude!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 12, 2007, 12:40:08 PM
good form clean reps awesome strength !! you have skills !
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: pumpher on August 12, 2007, 12:40:58 PM
Do you want to try for 225x112 next session?  ::)
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 12, 2007, 12:41:28 PM
Thanks all!  Note, no belt.  I did use straps and I always do when I go over 3 reps or so.  The hook grip just doesn't like higher reps.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: onlyme on August 12, 2007, 12:42:48 PM
Good lifts.  Waiting for our residence "downer" to come on here and say something bad about them
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 12, 2007, 12:42:53 PM
Do you want to try for 225x112 next session?  ::)

Lol, NO!  I wonder what I could get...but not that much!  I would feel like such utter shit after a set like that.  The 405 x 20 made me feel shitty enough...
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: WOOO on August 12, 2007, 12:44:43 PM
Lol, NO!  I wonder what I could get...but not that much!  I would feel like such utter shit after a set like that.  The 405 x 20 made me feel shitty enough...

225 burnout might be a good change... try it for fun?

i bet you can do 59.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: dr.chimps on August 12, 2007, 12:46:25 PM
Very impressive. Wouldn't for the life of me even go near to doing something like that. My lower back is sore just getting out of bed in the morning.  :D
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: BEAST 8692 on August 12, 2007, 12:48:08 PM
you're a very good dlifter chris, which is all the more impressive seeing that it's very hard to cheat or get assistance on dl.

well done.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 12, 2007, 12:50:15 PM
you're a very good dlifter chris, which is all the more impressive seeing that it's very hard to cheat or get assistance on dl.

well done.

Thank you.  I am also drug-free.  Really and truly.  One of these days I may get on some shit and see what I can really do...

Anyway, I very much appreciate the compliment.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Hedgehog on August 12, 2007, 01:04:56 PM
Thank you.  I am also drug-free.  Really and truly.  One of these days I may get on some shit and see what I can really do...

Anyway, I very much appreciate the compliment.

You shouldn't.

You're one helluva deadlifter, and IMO could probably hang with the best in the world. You definitely have the talent for it.

I'd love to see you start doing some meets, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a mid 700 lbs from your ass in a year or so.

Consider that Wade Hooper, Cieri, Ribic or Gillingham didn't start to post their best lifts until they were well into their 30's.

Inspiring, and a clip I will use for motivation for a long time. Thanks Mason.


And you did it, despite working 12 000 hours a week... ;D
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: j3di3 on August 12, 2007, 01:12:16 PM
you made the 500 lbs look like nothing, impressive!  8)
one thing though ur back looks abit too round at the bottom of the motion, careful with that
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 12, 2007, 01:18:09 PM
you made the 500 lbs look like nothing, impressive!  8)
one thing though ur back looks abit too round at the bottom of the motion, careful with that
Upper back yes. He has most likely conditioned his body to handle it just fine.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: WOOO on August 12, 2007, 01:35:31 PM
Upper back yes. He has most likely conditioned his body to handle it just fine.

you always "handle" it until that one time that you don't
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: gordiano on August 12, 2007, 01:59:19 PM
Props Chris!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: bigtraps on August 12, 2007, 02:16:26 PM
All I can say is, DAMN.  No weight belt either.  DAMN.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: CARTEL on August 12, 2007, 02:18:42 PM
All I can say is, DAMN.  No weight belt either.  DAMN.

Weightbelts are for housewives and lesbians.

Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: triple_pickle on August 12, 2007, 02:20:27 PM
shit, i cannot even deadlift that weight  :(
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: JasonH on August 12, 2007, 02:23:23 PM
Excellent lifting Chris - looks like you're built for that type of exercise with the longer arms and shorter legs but even so it's impressive nonetheless.  :)
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Devon97 on August 12, 2007, 02:57:20 PM
Your a strong ole cuss! :o
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: davidpaul on August 12, 2007, 02:58:21 PM
Very impressive, as always.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Camel Jockey on August 12, 2007, 03:07:56 PM
jebuz!

Awesome lifts, bro..
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 12, 2007, 03:11:00 PM
Thanks all!

Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Mongol on August 12, 2007, 03:20:56 PM
Wow, Very impressive lift Chris, well done!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Bossa on August 12, 2007, 03:24:15 PM
Good set...how much do u weigh Chris?
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: TooPowerful4u on August 12, 2007, 03:45:33 PM
You doin these for power or growth?  Seems to me like you have no contraction on the negative, like you drop it then pull it up.  Be careful, you can TEAR your ham like that, and you are only getting half the benefit from the exercise.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 12, 2007, 03:46:32 PM
Good set...how much do u weigh Chris?

215-216 lbs
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: The Squadfather on August 12, 2007, 03:47:49 PM
good lifting, skinny legs.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: thewickedtruth on August 12, 2007, 03:52:26 PM
FUCKING INSPIRATIONAL LIFTING CHRIS! THAT WAS AMAZING!  :o :o  One day I hope to be up there with you in strength! INCREDIBLE BRO!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 12, 2007, 05:20:10 PM
FUCKING INSPIRATIONAL LIFTING CHRIS! THAT WAS AMAZING!  :o :o  One day I hope to be up there with you in strength! INCREDIBLE BRO!

Thanks!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Overload on August 12, 2007, 06:47:50 PM
Awesome strength as always.


8)
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 13, 2007, 03:14:23 AM
fucking yeah...it's nice to see real strong people post here beside shittalkers. Hey Chris , Ihave always found deadlifting of the floor to be much harder than of the rack and stopping 2-3 inches above ...I find them miles apart . I deadlift of the floor also .
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: jason armstrong on August 13, 2007, 03:46:48 AM
very strong good form as well.

stay clean though it's not worth it wrecking your system for lifitng.

just look at poor squatfatter that tiny twat vaginal grease spot megajuiced for years and still never broke 230 lbs or benched or dead nowhere close to 495 or squated more than 4 plates.

what a fat loser maroon!

what do you deadlift conventionaly 650-700?

Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 13, 2007, 04:36:19 AM
very strong good form as well.

stay clean though it's not worth it wrecking your system for lifitng.

just look at poor squatfatter that tiny twat vaginal grease spot megajuiced for years and still never broke 230 lbs or benched or dead nowhere close to 495 or squated more than 4 plates.

what a fat loser maroon!

what do you deadlift conventionaly 650-700?



I'm right at 700 lbs as of now. 

Thanks for the compliment!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: kiwiol on August 13, 2007, 04:40:44 AM
Great lift, musclebear
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Option D on August 13, 2007, 06:23:24 AM
god damn man...good lift...

no belt???


Great lift, musclebear


dude have you ever posted without saying something gay
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: KillerMonk on August 13, 2007, 06:31:55 AM
The intensity you lifted in that clip made me want to puke, Im not joking good job.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: BM OUT on August 13, 2007, 06:56:57 AM
Chris is strong,but obviously has good cardio as well.10 reps with 500 in your hands takes some wind.Nice set.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: davidpaul on August 13, 2007, 06:58:21 AM
Chris is strong,but obviously has good cardio as well.10 reps with 500 in your hands takes some wind.Nice set.

I was thinking the same, hes a machine, I dont think ive ever seena  clip of someone his size, and natural nail 500 for 10.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: kiwiol on August 13, 2007, 07:35:50 AM
dude have you ever posted without saying something gay

A couple of times, but hey, I'm not perfect ;D
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 13, 2007, 10:10:42 AM
Chris is strong,but obviously has good cardio as well.10 reps with 500 in your hands takes some wind.Nice set.

Not as strong as you!   >:(

Thanks for the compliment Billy!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: muscleforlife on August 13, 2007, 11:42:24 AM
Nice clip.  You are strong.  I love that you don't use a belt.
Strong core!

Sandra
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 13, 2007, 06:24:53 PM
Nice clip.  You are strong.  I love that you don't use a belt.
Strong core!

Sandra

Thanks!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Pazuzu on August 13, 2007, 06:34:11 PM
Damn strong - very impressive even if you weren't clean, but all the more so that you are. BIG PROPS and mad respect to you!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 13, 2007, 07:39:27 PM
Damn strong - very impressive even if you weren't clean, but all the more so that you are. BIG PROPS and mad respect to you!

Thanks Ron!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: dorkeroo on August 13, 2007, 09:37:09 PM
Incredible strength man. I have never seen anything like that, especially clean.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: flexingtonsteele on August 14, 2007, 12:02:53 AM
holy L-5/ S-1, Batman

how is your lower back doing after those?? looks like u had a little bit too much lumbar flexion during those sldls bro.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Robbie on August 14, 2007, 01:24:36 AM
Very impressive indeed.  :o
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Captain Equipoise on August 14, 2007, 01:37:03 AM
Strong bastard! ;)
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 14, 2007, 05:20:06 AM
holy L-5/ S-1, Batman

how is your lower back doing after those?? looks like u had a little bit too much lumbar flexion during those sldls bro.

My lumbar was just fine in that video.  Really.  Some of the best deadlifters of all time pull in much the same fashion.

Example: http://www.gometal.com/videot/konstantin_deadlift_430.wmv

Open the file, it is safe.  It shows Konstantin Konstantinov pulling an incredible 430 kg (~946 lbs) at 275 lbs in body weight.  He and I pull with a very similar form (albeit he pulls a LOT more).  Bob Peoples also used a very similar form.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Hedgehog on August 14, 2007, 05:22:08 AM
My lumbar was just fine in that video.  Really.  Some of the best deadlifters of all time pull in much the same fashion.

Example: http://www.gometal.com/videot/konstantin_deadlift_430.wmv

Open the file, it is safe.  It shows Konstantin Konstantinov pulling an incredible 430 kg (~946 lbs) at 275 lbs in body weight.  He and I pull with a very similar form (albeit he pulls a LOT more).  Bob Peoples also used a very similar form.

Do not open!

It contains muscle bear propaganda!


j/k Mason. ;D

Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: BEAST 8692 on August 14, 2007, 04:26:39 PM
My lumbar was just fine in that video.  Really.  Some of the best deadlifters of all time pull in much the same fashion.

Example: http://www.gometal.com/videot/konstantin_deadlift_430.wmv

Open the file, it is safe.  It shows Konstantin Konstantinov pulling an incredible 430 kg (~946 lbs) at 275 lbs in body weight.  He and I pull with a very similar form (albeit he pulls a LOT more).  Bob Peoples also used a very similar form.

good god. :o

incredible lift that last one.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Cee21Jay on August 14, 2007, 04:34:11 PM
holy L-5/ S-1, Batman

how is your lower back doing after those?? looks like u had a little bit too much lumbar flexion during those sldls bro.

I agree.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 14, 2007, 04:43:10 PM
good god. :o

incredible lift that last one.

Yes it is!  I think that man and Bolton are the 2 best deadlifters in the world right now and perhaps ever.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: The Squadfather on August 14, 2007, 04:44:02 PM
Yes it is!  I think that man and Bolton are the 2 best deadlifters in the world right now and perhaps ever.
Benedikt Magnusson is as good as either one of them.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: bigbalddaddy on August 14, 2007, 04:49:25 PM
I give props to you lifting that weight, but Jeezus christ your form is horrible.  Provided you had proper form you could easily strap on 50-75lbs for the same reps.  Does anyone on here deadlift?  I can't believe all of the good comments about form.  Your reps are extremely commendable but the form is a backattack waiting to happen.  Your legs hardly move, your back isn't even close to flat and your ass is waaaaay too high.  I am not flaming whatsoever just stating the facts with all honesty.  Congrats on the reps but you have so much more potential with better form.  I hope you take this the right way and don't rip my head off...just trying to help! ;)
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: The Squadfather on August 14, 2007, 04:51:28 PM
I give props to you lifting that weight, but Jeezus christ your form is horrible.  Provided you had proper form you could easily strap on 50-75lbs for the same reps.  Does anyone on here deadlift?  I can't believe all of the good comments about form.  Your reps are extremely commendable but the form is a backattack waiting to happen.  Your legs hardly move, your back isn't even close to flat and your ass is waaaaay too high.  I am not flaming whatsoever just stating the facts with all honesty.  Congrats on the reps but you have so much more potential with better form.  I hope you take this the right way and don't rip my head off...just trying to help! ;)
there's really nothing wrong with his "form", if you notice his body stayed in pretty much the same position from the first rep that's the true test of how good or bad his form is, "form" is an individual thing for the most part dependant upon bodytype, leverages, length of arms, legs, torso, etc., it always makes me laugh when a guys body doesn't perform an exercise like a robot people say he's using bad form, everyone's hips pop up a little bit deadlfting, some of the biggest deadlifters of all time have been almost "all back" deadlifters as opposed to guys who dip their legs and squat down into the lift.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: bigbalddaddy on August 14, 2007, 05:00:04 PM
there's really nothing wrong with his "form", if you notice his body stayed in pretty much the same position from the first rep that's the true test of how good or bad his form is, "form" is an individual thing for the most part dependant upon bodytype, leverages, length of arms, legs, torso, etc..

I'm sorry bro' but I disagree.  Form is very specific.  If you look at the video he posted even that guy "sits" into the deadlift and powers up with his legs simulatneously pushing his hips forward and making his back up right.  Bending over doing a good morning style deadlift working your hams is not close to the proper definition of deadlifting.  Search a few vids and you'll see what I mean...

Here's one, shitty video but see how upright his back is...way stronger, better body harmony:

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Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: The Squadfather on August 14, 2007, 05:01:45 PM
I'm sorry bro' but I disagree.  Form is very specific.  If you look at the video he posted even that guy "sits" into the deadlift and powers up with his legs simulatneously pushing his hips forward and making his back up right.  Bending over doing a good morning style deadlift working your hams is not close to the proper definition of deadlifting.  Search a few vids and you'll see what I mean...

Here's one, shitty video but see how upright his back is...way stronger, better body harmony:

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there really is no "proper definition" of deadlifting other than pulling the bar off the floor to a fully locked out position without hitching.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Bossa on August 14, 2007, 05:03:30 PM
thats because the guy in the video is doing them sumo which uses alot less back and more hips
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: wes on August 14, 2007, 05:04:17 PM
Damn good lifting Chris..........as usual I might add  !!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: bigbalddaddy on August 14, 2007, 05:05:58 PM
Check out this video of Jouko Ahola...crazy ass Anadrol nose bleeds...

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Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: tleilaxutank on August 14, 2007, 06:37:59 PM
that's pretty sick...

I've always done stiff legs on an elevated platform so that I can get full extension, but jesus I'm only pulling 315


maybe I do it that way because I'm a pussy and could never stiff leg that much weight..
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 14, 2007, 07:08:44 PM
I give props to you lifting that weight, but Jeezus christ your form is horrible.  Provided you had proper form you could easily strap on 50-75lbs for the same reps.  Does anyone on here deadlift?  I can't believe all of the good comments about form.  Your reps are extremely commendable but the form is a backattack waiting to happen.  Your legs hardly move, your back isn't even close to flat and your ass is waaaaay too high.  I am not flaming whatsoever just stating the facts with all honesty.  Congrats on the reps but you have so much more potential with better form.  I hope you take this the right way and don't rip my head off...just trying to help! ;)

Moron, I am doing stiff-legged deadlifts hence my legs are not moving much.

I work with some of the best powerlifters in the world.  I am lucky enough to speak with Louie Simmons personally.  I know something about deadlifting...
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 14, 2007, 08:22:16 PM
I give props to you lifting that weight, but Jeezus christ your form is horrible.  Provided you had proper form you could easily strap on 50-75lbs for the same reps.  Does anyone on here deadlift? I can't believe all of the good comments about form.  Your reps are extremely commendable but the form is a backattack waiting to happen.  Your legs hardly move, your back isn't even close to flat and your ass is waaaaay too high.  I am not flaming whatsoever just stating the facts with all honesty.  Congrats on the reps but you have so much more potential with better form.  I hope you take this the right way and don't rip my head off...just trying to help! ;)
Do you deadlift? If so, how much have you pulled? Chris is obviously an extremely experienced deadlifter. He knows the angles where he gets most leverage and power. You aren't talking to a newbie and I doubt he needs your help.

Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: MB_722 on August 15, 2007, 10:57:09 AM
My lumbar was just fine in that video.  Really.  Some of the best deadlifters of all time pull in much the same fashion.

Example: http://www.gometal.com/videot/konstantin_deadlift_430.wmv

Open the file, it is safe.  It shows Konstantin Konstantinov pulling an incredible 430 kg (~946 lbs) at 275 lbs in body weight.  He and I pull with a very similar form (albeit he pulls a LOT more).  Bob Peoples also used a very similar form.

nice lift, your form looked much better than konstantinov. his back was rounded much of the time.

shouldn't the head and neck be in line with the back or is it normal for people to put their head down during the lift?
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: troponin on August 15, 2007, 11:14:09 AM
Good lifts!

In my opinion, many...if not most of the 'correct' ways to do an exercise are wrong. 

Biomechanically, there are so many leverage points, and joint angles...especially in a multi-joint movement like the deadlift that a generalized 'form' instruction of "keep your head up" is really pointless.

Unless you're willing to measure the shearing forces, fulcrum, joint angle, distance from the midline of the body, etc., etc. for each vertebrae (taking into consideration a person's natural predisposition to kyphosis or lordosis at each section of the spine), also taking into consideration the hip, knee, shoulder, elbow and wrist joints....and doing this for EACH person doing the lift, you can't really be certain of a correct form.

Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: BEAST 8692 on August 15, 2007, 11:43:40 AM
Good lifts!

In my opinion, many...if not most of the 'correct' ways to do an exercise are wrong. 

Biomechanically, there are so many leverage points, and joint angles...especially in a multi-joint movement like the deadlift that a generalized 'form' instruction of "keep your head up" is really pointless.

Unless you're willing to measure the shearing forces, fulcrum, joint angle, distance from the midline of the body, etc., etc. for each vertebrae (taking into consideration a person's natural predisposition to kyphosis or lordosis at each section of the spine), also taking into consideration the hip, knee, shoulder, elbow and wrist joints....and doing this for EACH person doing the lift, you can't really be certain of a correct form.



what he said

chris, you better change your style post haste man, the internet gurus have spoken. ;D

what squadfather and troponin said is correct. there is no absolute method to d/lift, just some fundamentals, but it should be obvious that the man knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 15, 2007, 11:58:47 AM
Good lifts!

In my opinion, many...if not most of the 'correct' ways to do an exercise are wrong. 

Biomechanically, there are so many leverage points, and joint angles...especially in a multi-joint movement like the deadlift that a generalized 'form' instruction of "keep your head up" is really pointless.

Unless you're willing to measure the shearing forces, fulcrum, joint angle, distance from the midline of the body, etc., etc. for each vertebrae (taking into consideration a person's natural predisposition to kyphosis or lordosis at each section of the spine), also taking into consideration the hip, knee, shoulder, elbow and wrist joints....and doing this for EACH person doing the lift, you can't really be certain of a correct form.


on the money...thats why everyone lifts so differently...
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: mesmorph78 on August 15, 2007, 12:38:17 PM
chris great lift...

with deadlifts u either can lift or cant
good lifts
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: bigbalddaddy on August 15, 2007, 02:17:28 PM
Do you deadlift? If so, how much have you pulled? Chris is obviously an extremely experienced deadlifter. He knows the angles where he gets most leverage and power. You aren't talking to a newbie and I doubt he needs your help.



Easy bigguy, just giving my opinion on an opinionated board.  My best for reps in all honesty is less than what he's doing for reps.  Using a strength coach from UNLV I managed to pound 405 for reps and then quickly moved away from deads for the summer.  The only reason I mention about form is because on video I did the same type of technique as him and I made tremendous progress by switching my form so I will agree everyone is different and he could possibly benefit as well.  Only he can make that call.  For me my legs where the strong point, not my back.  Just my .02's...its all good... ;)
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 15, 2007, 02:45:17 PM
Easy bigguy, just giving my opinion on an opinionated board.  My best for reps in all honesty is less than what he's doing for reps.  Using a strength coach from UNLV I managed to pound 405 for reps and then quickly moved away from deads for the summer.  The only reason I mention about form is because on video I did the same type of technique as him and I made tremendous progress by switching my form so I will agree everyone is different and he could possibly benefit as well.  Only he can make that call.  For me my legs where the strong point, not my back.  Just my .02's...its all good... ;)
Don't forget that he was doing stiff legged deadlifts. If he would have wanted to pull a maximal single rep he would have bent his legs more.

There are tons of variations and exercises you can do to build your deadlift to strengthen every part of the chain. For example I do good mornings seated, standing, straight back, sometimes slightly round back, wide stance, short range, full range, concentric etc. Same with deads; straight leg, bent leg, arched back, rounded back, deficit deads, deficit with snatch grip, rack pulls, speed pulls and on and on.

Looking at Chris' strength I'm sure he has put in a lot of time and thought into his training so I doubt he is rounding his back out of ignorance. See what I'm saying?
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: bigbalddaddy on August 15, 2007, 02:58:50 PM
Don't forget that he was doing stiff legged deadlifts. If he would have wanted to pull a maximal single rep he would have bent his legs more.

There are tons of variations and exercises you can do to build your deadlift to strengthen every part of the chain. For example I do good mornings seated, standing, straight back, sometimes slightly round back, wide stance, short range, full range, concentric etc. Same with deads; straight leg, bent leg, arched back, rounded back, deficit deads, deficit with snatch grip, rack pulls, speed pulls and on and on.

Looking at Chris' strength I'm sure he has put in a lot of time and thought into his training so I doubt he is rounding his back out of ignorance. See what I'm saying?

That makes total sense...i'm pretty one dimensional sometimes.   ;D
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: chris_mason on August 15, 2007, 03:06:06 PM
Good lifts!

In my opinion, many...if not most of the 'correct' ways to do an exercise are wrong. 

Biomechanically, there are so many leverage points, and joint angles...especially in a multi-joint movement like the deadlift that a generalized 'form' instruction of "keep your head up" is really pointless.

Unless you're willing to measure the shearing forces, fulcrum, joint angle, distance from the midline of the body, etc., etc. for each vertebrae (taking into consideration a person's natural predisposition to kyphosis or lordosis at each section of the spine), also taking into consideration the hip, knee, shoulder, elbow and wrist joints....and doing this for EACH person doing the lift, you can't really be certain of a correct form.



Thanks Justin.

One more thing, you can train your body to accept certain forces.  In other words, I worked my way up in strength gradually over time and allowed my body to keep pace with the ever increasing loads.

The same phenomena can be seen with Olympic lifters who can literally bounce at the rock bottom position of a front squat with over 500 lbs placing incredible stress on their knees.  They can do so because they have trained for it and conditioned the connective tissue in their knees.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: jonsande on August 15, 2007, 03:25:44 PM
Awesome lifts!  But watching your back hunched over like that made my spine tingle  :-\  Be careful, bro!
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Hedgehog on August 15, 2007, 03:49:14 PM
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Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: davidpaul on August 15, 2007, 03:51:06 PM
Thanks Justin.

One more thing, you can train your body to accept certain forces.  In other words, I worked my way up in strength gradually over time and allowed my body to keep pace with the ever increasing loads.

The same phenomena can be seen with Olympic lifters who can literally bounce at the rock bottom position of a front squat with over 500 lbs placing incredible stress on their knees.  They can do so because they have trained for it and conditioned the connective tissue in their knees.

Who goves a shit about your form, you naturally got ten reps on 500 poundson deadlift lol.
Title: Re: I said I would post a video of my next stiff-legged deadlift session...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 15, 2007, 10:36:05 PM
Watching some of the posts who cl;early belong to nerds who can't even roll 500 lbs on the floor criticizing his form and telling chris to be careful with his back hahahhaa :D