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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GroinkTropin on August 14, 2007, 01:26:24 AM
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It has come to this and must, bbing is not just dying it is dissapearing, and it's only salvation lies in testing for steroids. Bodybuilders are like americans in general, if you let people eat waht they want they eat excessively. Let bodybuilders take what they want and their obsession will feed itself to become almost suicidal. I keep hearing people say without freaks fans won't go to contests, but they ALREADY don't! Most of the money in bodybuilding is being made from supplement sales anyway, and let's be honest pros could sell supps BETTER if they could legitimately claim their results are from xyz products correct? If you take a look at genetics, advances in training etc, a good bodybuilder can be pretty big on some gh slin (both of which cannot be tested for) and maybe a little test. The genetic freaks and those who train the hardest will still look damn good, and without a drug crutch we as a whole will be forced to explore new areas of diet/training science to improve. There are secrets noone is even looking for anymore, everyone just takes more shit when they need to get bigger it is getting out of hand. One thing that I notice now more than ever is that females are totally turned off by bodybuilding. You can say that doesn't matter but you KNOW it fucking does! Let's be real here physiques like derek anthony GET pussy, your ronnie colemans and shit turn it away and how many men (straight men anyway) want to chase pussy away? Let's be honest with ourselves and discuss. Also with all these recent deaths in the sports world, the strongman couple wrestlers etc, it's only a matter of time before the FBI deals a death blow like they did with GHB. Remember when monster's house got raided, and the feds arrested over 100 people in one fucking day over a 2 year investigation? G has been almost impossible to find ever since. If they want steroids gone they can do it, and we can head them off, or ignore the warning signs and face the consequences.
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Yeah, and posts need to have paragraphs too but hey what can ya do?
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Are you joking me ?!?! this is what the premiere 'natural' tested physique is gonna look like..
(http://www.swansonphotography.com/photos/conflict/bangladesh.jpeg)
ALL HAIL YOUR NEW MR.OLYMPIA!
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Great vacuum pose right there.
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Great vacuum pose right there.
Yes, not a lot who can do it nowadays.
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Are you joking me ?!?! this is what the premiere 'natural' tested physique is gonna look like..
(http://www.swansonphotography.com/photos/conflict/bangladesh.jpeg)
ALL HAIL YOUR NEW MR.OLYMPIA!
another natural with gh jaw and elbows!!
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wow have u ever heard of PARAGRAPHS!
thats way too long to read.
It has come to this and must, bbing is not just dying it is dissapearing, and it's only salvation lies in testing for steroids. Bodybuilders are like americans in general, if you let people eat waht they want they eat excessively. Let bodybuilders take what they want and their obsession will feed itself to become almost suicidal. I keep hearing people say without freaks fans won't go to contests, but they ALREADY don't! Most of the money in bodybuilding is being made from supplement sales anyway, and let's be honest pros could sell supps BETTER if they could legitimately claim their results are from xyz products correct? If you take a look at genetics, advances in training etc, a good bodybuilder can be pretty big on some gh slin (both of which cannot be tested for) and maybe a little test. The genetic freaks and those who train the hardest will still look damn good, and without a drug crutch we as a whole will be forced to explore new areas of diet/training science to improve. There are secrets noone is even looking for anymore, everyone just takes more shit when they need to get bigger it is getting out of hand. One thing that I notice now more than ever is that females are totally turned off by bodybuilding. You can say that doesn't matter but you KNOW it fucking does! Let's be real here physiques like derek anthony GET pussy, your ronnie colemans and shit turn it away and how many men (straight men anyway) want to chase pussy away? Let's be honest with ourselves and discuss. Also with all these recent deaths in the sports world, the strongman couple wrestlers etc, it's only a matter of time before the FBI deals a death blow like they did with GHB. Remember when monster's house got raided, and the feds arrested over 100 people in one fucking day over a 2 year investigation? G has been almost impossible to find ever since. If they want steroids gone they can do it, and we can head them off, or ignore the warning signs and face the consequences.
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Anthony has admitted to steroid use on many occasions.Not sure what "getting pussy" has to do with competitive bodybuilding.Some of us think drug testing is a total violation of civil rights.Its the last thing ANY sport needs.
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Lets try this one more time:
It has come to this and must, bbing is not just dying it is dissapearing, and it's only salvation lies in testing for steroids. Bodybuilders are like americans in general, if you let people eat waht they want they eat excessively.
Let bodybuilders take what they want and their obsession will feed itself to become almost suicidal. I keep hearing people say without freaks fans won't go to contests, but they ALREADY don't!
Most of the money in bodybuilding is being made from supplement sales anyway, and let's be honest pros could sell supps BETTER if they could legitimately claim their results are from xyz products correct?
If you take a look at genetics, advances in training etc, a good bodybuilder can be pretty big on some gh slin (both of which cannot be tested for) and maybe a little test. The genetic freaks and those who train the hardest will still look damn good, and without a drug crutch we as a whole will be forced to explore new areas of diet/training science to improve.
There are secrets noone is even looking for anymore, everyone just takes more shit when they need to get bigger it is getting out of hand.
One thing that I notice now more than ever is that females are totally turned off by bodybuilding. You can say that doesn't matter but you KNOW it fucking does! Let's be real here physiques like derek anthony GET pussy, your ronnie colemans and shit turn it away and how many men (straight men anyway) want to chase pussy away? Let's be honest with ourselves and discuss.
Also with all these recent deaths in the sports world, the strongman couple wrestlers etc, it's only a matter of time before the FBI deals a death blow like they did with GHB. Remember when monster's house got raided, and the feds arrested over 100 people in one fucking day over a 2 year investigation? G has been almost impossible to find ever since.
If they want steroids gone they can do it, and we can head them off, or ignore the warning signs and face the consequences.
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Anthony has admitted to steroid use on many occasions.Not sure what "getting pussy" has to do with competitive bodybuilding.Some of us think drug testing is a total violation of civil rights.Its the last thing ANY sport needs.
There are IMO two aspects on this Mimnaugh. Bear with me:
Thing is, if a sports fed decides that they want to have it drugfree, and drug testing to uphold that status, it's the prerogative of that very federation.
You can always chose to not compete in that federation, it's not a civil right to compete in a federation, you do it under certain conditions.
That's why I can respect those who decides not to ever compete in USAPL/IPF, instead of trying to cheat, and then jump federation when getting caught.
Then there is the legal aspect: Whether or not AAS should be legal, or at least available for private use, is a different matter, and I won't get into that. I will say this though: I think it's hypocritical that a lot of those who use aren't speaking up for making steroids legal, or at least trying to give their opinion of how the stuff isn't harmful.
Of course you Mimnaugh, being an exception. You are a lot of things, but you're definitely not a cheater or a hypocrit.
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In germany, the so called "classic bodybuilding" class in competitions gets more and more competitors, while heavyweights stay empty.
The "rules" are bodyheight in cm - 100 + xkg.
-170cm +2kg
-175cm +4kg
-180cm +6kg
+180cm +8kg
still no drug test, but at least they don't look like freak with distended guts.
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females are totally turned off by bodybuilding. You can say that doesn't matter but you KNOW it fucking does! Let's be real here physiques like derek anthony GET pussy, your ronnie colemans and shit turn it away and how many men (straight men anyway) want to chase pussy away?
Dude firstly most men are man enough not to just try and get bigfor pussy. What kinda pussy starved bitch does that? BOdybuilders get big for themselves, czu they fuckin love bein bigger than everyone and biggerthan what they were etc. Pussy has nothin to do with it. I guess when you're shopping at Le Chateau you're tryin to figure out which miniskirt will attract more chicks eh?
And as for your first sentance, bodybuilding isn't dying, its pretty big in fact.
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In germany, the so called "classic bodybuilding" class in competitions gets more and more competitors, while heavyweights stay empty.
The "rules" are bodyheight in cm - 100 + xkg.
-170cm +2kg
-175cm +4kg
-180cm +6kg
+180cm +8kg
still no drug test, but at least they don't look like freak with distended guts.
Getting big in Scandinavia as well.
IMO, it will probably be the biggest thing in Europe in 5 years, and the only thing that could save PDI is if they catch on to this thing.
Would expect it to hit USA in 3-4 years.
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Getting big in Scandinavia as well.
IMO, it will probably be the biggest thing in Europe in 5 years, and the only thing that could save PDI is if they catch on to this thing.
Would expect it to hit USA in 3-4 years.
Yup, then "naturals" like Scott Markey have a future. (To be true, it's even okay people are still arguing if he is natural or not, not like guys like Ronnie or Jay, where everybody just argues about if they take 5g of roids and other stuff per week or 50g. )
I think it's a good thing that there could even be a slight chance of achieving something without huge amounts of drugs.
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It has come to this and must, bbing is not just dying it is dissapearing, and it's only salvation lies in testing for steroids. Bodybuilders are like americans in general, if you let people eat waht they want they eat excessively. Let bodybuilders take what they want and their obsession will feed itself to become almost suicidal. I keep hearing people say without freaks fans won't go to contests, but they ALREADY don't! Most of the money in bodybuilding is being made from supplement sales anyway, and let's be honest pros could sell supps BETTER if they could legitimately claim their results are from xyz products correct? If you take a look at genetics, advances in training etc, a good bodybuilder can be pretty big on some gh slin (both of which cannot be tested for) and maybe a little test. The genetic freaks and those who train the hardest will still look damn good, and without a drug crutch we as a whole will be forced to explore new areas of diet/training science to improve. There are secrets noone is even looking for anymore, everyone just takes more shit when they need to get bigger it is getting out of hand. One thing that I notice now more than ever is that females are totally turned off by bodybuilding. You can say that doesn't matter but you KNOW it fucking does! Let's be real here physiques like derek anthony GET pussy, your ronnie colemans and shit turn it away and how many men (straight men anyway) want to chase pussy away? Let's be honest with ourselves and discuss. Also with all these recent deaths in the sports world, the strongman couple wrestlers etc, it's only a matter of time before the FBI deals a death blow like they did with GHB. Remember when monster's house got raided, and the feds arrested over 100 people in one fucking day over a 2 year investigation? G has been almost impossible to find ever since. If they want steroids gone they can do it, and we can head them off, or ignore the warning signs and face the consequences.
You are on crack dude. Real natural bodybuilders (no hgh/slin etc.) look like shit when on low bodyfat. They don't have round muscles and lack size.
And still, tests don't say shit. I can take EVERYTHING I WANT and be clean when tested. It's not too hard nowadays to get it out of your system fast. Look at roger federer for example, been tested loads of times and not yet busted. Same goes for agassi/sampras/mcenroe who admitted they were on.
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It has come to this and must, bbing is not just dying it is dissapearing, and it's only salvation lies in testing for steroids. Bodybuilders are like americans in general, if you let people eat waht they want they eat excessively. Let bodybuilders take what they want and their obsession will feed itself to become almost suicidal. I keep hearing people say without freaks fans won't go to contests, but they ALREADY don't! Most of the money in bodybuilding is being made from supplement sales anyway, and let's be honest pros could sell supps BETTER if they could legitimately claim their results are from xyz products correct? If you take a look at genetics, advances in training etc, a good bodybuilder can be pretty big on some gh slin (both of which cannot be tested for) and maybe a little test. The genetic freaks and those who train the hardest will still look damn good, and without a drug crutch we as a whole will be forced to explore new areas of diet/training science to improve. There are secrets noone is even looking for anymore, everyone just takes more shit when they need to get bigger it is getting out of hand. One thing that I notice now more than ever is that females are totally turned off by bodybuilding. You can say that doesn't matter but you KNOW it fucking does! Let's be real here physiques like derek anthony GET pussy, your ronnie colemans and shit turn it away and how many men (straight men anyway) want to chase pussy away? Let's be honest with ourselves and discuss. Also with all these recent deaths in the sports world, the strongman couple wrestlers etc, it's only a matter of time before the FBI deals a death blow like they did with GHB. Remember when monster's house got raided, and the feds arrested over 100 people in one fucking day over a 2 year investigation? G has been almost impossible to find ever since. If they want steroids gone they can do it, and we can head them off, or ignore the warning signs and face the consequences.
That will never happen or the bbdg bldg doors would close permanantly. Over. The end.
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You are on crack dude. Real natural bodybuilders (no hgh/slin etc.) look like shit when on low bodyfat. They don't have round muscles and lack size.
And still, tests don't say shit. I can take EVERYTHING I WANT and be clean when tested. It's not too hard nowadays to get it out of your system fast. Look at roger federer for example, been tested loads of times and not yet busted. Same goes for agassi/sampras/mcenroe who admitted they were on.
Yeah, sure looks juiced... ::)
(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mpetesch/blog/images/federer2006.jpg)(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060911/060911_federer_vmed_6p.widec.jpg)
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The idea that the government could get rid of steroids if they wanted to is absurd.They have wasted billions on the war on drugs and yet,in my neighborhood when you stop at a traffic light three guys come up to your window and ask "what do you need".Recreational drugs are easier to get then ever yet our government has spent multiple miliions on locking up drug dealers and users.Our government is as impotent as a 95 year old man in stopping any illegal behavior,especially when you consider that the very people writing the laws cant even follow the laws they write themselves.
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Everyone keeps saying the bodybuilding is dying, blah blah blah.....Where is the PROOF.
Is attendance at shows down?,
Are magazine sales down?
Are gym memberships down?
Are supplements sales down?
Are book sales on bodybuilding down?
Where are the stats dude?
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Lets try this one more time:
It has come to this and must, bbing is not just dying it is dissapearing, and it's only salvation lies in testing for steroids. Bodybuilders are like americans in general, if you let people eat waht they want they eat excessively.
Let bodybuilders take what they want and their obsession will feed itself to become almost suicidal. I keep hearing people say without freaks fans won't go to contests, but they ALREADY don't!
Most of the money in bodybuilding is being made from supplement sales anyway, and let's be honest pros could sell supps BETTER if they could legitimately claim their results are from xyz products correct?
If you take a look at genetics, advances in training etc, a good bodybuilder can be pretty big on some gh slin (both of which cannot be tested for) and maybe a little test. The genetic freaks and those who train the hardest will still look damn good, and without a drug crutch we as a whole will be forced to explore new areas of diet/training science to improve.
There are secrets noone is even looking for anymore, everyone just takes more shit when they need to get bigger it is getting out of hand.
One thing that I notice now more than ever is that females are totally turned off by bodybuilding. You can say that doesn't matter but you KNOW it fucking does! Let's be real here physiques like derek anthony GET pussy, your ronnie colemans and shit turn it away and how many men (straight men anyway) want to chase pussy away? Let's be honest with ourselves and discuss.
Also with all these recent deaths in the sports world, the strongman couple wrestlers etc, it's only a matter of time before the FBI deals a death blow like they did with GHB. Remember when monster's house got raided, and the feds arrested over 100 people in one fucking day over a 2 year investigation? G has been almost impossible to find ever since.
If they want steroids gone they can do it, and we can head them off, or ignore the warning signs and face the consequences.
Next you will be saying sterioids make you hit homeruns.
Listen - each generation has it's drugs and the police that try to police it
30-50 - alcohol and cocanie
50's- 70 - speed and weed
70- 90's steroids
90- to present - all of them
Babe ruth was Booed when he came to the plate - half Drunk , Hank aaron was booed cause he was black and Barry cause he hasn't been caught - Al drugs have a shelf life and leave the body sooner or later-
If you are a GROWN MAN - you should be able to take what ever you want with a perscription. GH - is not a drug it is 191 amino acids which is the building block of the body - after a certain age your body reduces it's normal amount. Using it is benefical. If you are fat and you take a steriod to increases your size you are going to look fat and muscular - it is silly.
The indivual is smart the masses are stupid. what steroid are they talking about - for who and when - Birth Control is a steroid and it destroys Millions of womens bodies with unwanted weight game (muscle) and with a prelude to cervical cancer - (bet you did not know that ) But Bob Costas and Bryant gumble are not speaking of that - they are speaking of general use of what ever is preceived to make someone what ? Bigger, longer lasting , recover,astham, relive pain, - We want our baseball, football and basketball players to PLAY - last I check steroids are not illegal they are BANNED - which means - prescrption is necessary to use. simple - very very simple!
If you want to test the BODYBUILDERS - that is fine they will still look like bodybuilders
The lazy untalented commentators who do not have the abilty to play will just say they" figured a way around the test" after this adminstration (BUSH ) Steroids will be reduced to nothing more than WEED!
Just my opinon !
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And as for your first sentance, bodybuilding isn't dying, its pretty big in fact.
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Yeah, sure looks juiced... ::)
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Epic comparison (tennisplayers with bodybuilders)
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Yeah, sure looks juiced... ::)
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BAHAHAHA
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The idea that somatropin (growth hormone) isn't a drug is patently ridiculous... sometimes the stoopiditty on this board is revolting.
Growth hormone IS a drug; insulin is a drug; thyroxine is a drug; androgenic anabolic steroids are drugs...
They are also CHEATING... and that's why they should be banned. An arbitrary line must be drawn in the sand somewhere, otherwise they become a prerequisite for participation in the sport. Without some kind of limit on what is acceptable in the pursuit of muscle, well then there is always some moron willing to take more than you are... then someone like BillyGuns ends up as Mr Olympia due solely to the dosages and combinations of the stack some irresponsible "guru" recommended/sold to him.
In bodybuilding steroids have given us a progression from great natural physiques in the 50s, to impressive physiques in the 60s, to fantastic physiques in the 70s and 80s, to misshapen artificial physiques in the 90s, to a new century of cartoonish comical freak show bodies...
If you appreciate modern bodybuilding, with its distended stomachs; bloat and pimples; disproportionate musculature reflecting hormone receptor patterns and not the pattern of muscles trained; with its prostitution, gay hustling and schmoes... then more power to you.
But let's remind ourselves of what chemical bodybuilding has cost the physical culture movement...
-mainstream acceptance
(bodybuilding shows should be held in art museums... if the physiques were natural and the shredded, overly-depleted chemical look wasn't rewarded the guys would look like Chippendales but without the watery bloat, and the girls would look like gymnasts/ballerinas... that would put bums on seats and sell gym memberships. Remember bodybuilding audiences are full of low-income sub-100-IQ underachievers directly because of the influence of steroids on this sport)
-proper training science
(every idiot get results with steroids and the din of self-professed experts drowns out proper hypertrophy science... some of these idiots recommend three-a-day volume workouts for natural trainers! No wonder Arthur Jones abandoned bodybuilding in disgust. Remember, you are confused about how to add muscle to your problem bodyparts because of what steroids have done to bodybuilding)
-mainstream respect
(natural bodybuilding requires discipline; commitment; perseverance and intelligence... meanwhile most IFBB Pros are semi-illiterate charisma-free drug addicts that know next to nothing about bodybuilding training or nutrition and would be crackheads or dope fiends if they hadn't found bodybuilding. Remember, this sport is boring because of the influence of steroids)
-organisational integrity
(mainstream acceptance would provide the competition needed to eliminate people like the Weiders who have used bodybuilding as their own personal fiefdom for far too long... Remember, the judging system is corrupt and unaccountable because of what steroids have done to bodybuilding)
Sorry guys, it's the truth.
Steroids have ruined bodybuilding and now that the genie is out of the box... genetic manipulation is on the way, soon, very soon, a muscular build won't command respect from anyone... it won't be something you earn and deserve to be proud of... it'll be something to be ashamed of, akin to getting a facial tattoo reading: "I'm so vain and shallow I take drugs to look like this"
The Luke
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It has come to this and must, bbing is not just dying it is dissapearing, and it's only salvation lies in testing for steroids. Bodybuilders are like americans in general, if you let people eat waht they want they eat excessively. Let bodybuilders take what they want and their obsession will feed itself to become almost suicidal. I keep hearing people say without freaks fans won't go to contests, but they ALREADY don't! Most of the money in bodybuilding is being made from supplement sales anyway, and let's be honest pros could sell supps BETTER if they could legitimately claim their results are from xyz products correct? If you take a look at genetics, advances in training etc, a good bodybuilder can be pretty big on some gh slin (both of which cannot be tested for) and maybe a little test. The genetic freaks and those who train the hardest will still look damn good, and without a drug crutch we as a whole will be forced to explore new areas of diet/training science to improve. There are secrets noone is even looking for anymore, everyone just takes more shit when they need to get bigger it is getting out of hand. One thing that I notice now more than ever is that females are totally turned off by bodybuilding. You can say that doesn't matter but you KNOW it fucking does! Let's be real here physiques like derek anthony GET pussy, your ronnie colemans and shit turn it away and how many men (straight men anyway) want to chase pussy away? Let's be honest with ourselves and discuss. Also with all these recent deaths in the sports world, the strongman couple wrestlers etc, it's only a matter of time before the FBI deals a death blow like they did with GHB. Remember when monster's house got raided, and the feds arrested over 100 people in one fucking day over a 2 year investigation? G has been almost impossible to find ever since. If they want steroids gone they can do it, and we can head them off, or ignore the warning signs and face the consequences.
I agree that it should be drug-tested.
This would DESTROY the ego of 99% of the I.F.B.B. pro's and "top-level" NPC competitors, however. These delusional individuals actually believe that they have "superior genetics", sometimes given to them by GOD HIMSELF, allowing them to reach the point they have thanks to a SHIT LOAD of gear. Anytime you hear some idiot through the "genetics" term out there he's just trying to save his own ego from being destroyed if he couldn't use AAS.
Sad but true. Such is bodybuilding in 2007...something it was never meant to be.
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drug testing will not get rid of gear.. look at the ifbb world championships.. they are tested under olympic guidlines and regulations.. all those guys are juiced to the gills.. they know how to get around the test.. so if drug testing is your way of getting rid of gear.. you are very wrong.. dennis wolf won the world champs tested at 249 pounds and shredded a few years ago.. the super heavies are coming in at 250 pounds and shredded.. so they are getting around the test.. testing will not get rid of gear at all.. they will figure out how to get around it.. they always do.. it will just add a new dimension to the game.. but, the physiques will not suffer much for it..
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I want year round, once per month, random testing.
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good idea.. but will not happen.. the cost would be huge.. plus.. bodybuilding would die a immediate death.. i have been to many natural shows.. truly natural shows.. and most of the physiques , unfortunately, do not inspire.. dont mean to be harsh.. but, that is the true facts.. most look like fitness models at best..
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I guess the competitors who are ALL DRUGS would have to be REAL........
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I want year round, once per month, random testing.
Do you really want to have our next MR.O look like this?
(http://www.manitobaharvest.com/images/upload/kenfrontpose.jpg)
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Imagine going to a contest on gear and being bigger than the competitors on stage. ???
Never Happen
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Next you will be saying sterioids make you hit homeruns.
Listen - each generation has it's drugs and the police that try to police it
30-50 - alcohol and cocanie
50's- 70 - speed and weed
70- 90's steroids
90- to present - all of them
Babe ruth was Booed when he came to the plate - half Drunk , Hank aaron was booed cause he was black and Barry cause he hasn't been caught - Al drugs have a shelf life and leave the body sooner or later-
If you are a GROWN MAN - you should be able to take what ever you want with a perscription. GH - is not a drug it is 191 amino acids which is the building block of the body - after a certain age your body reduces it's normal amount. Using it is benefical. If you are fat and you take a steriod to increases your size you are going to look fat and muscular - it is silly.
The indivual is smart the masses are stupid. what steroid are they talking about - for who and when - Birth Control is a steroid and it destroys Millions of womens bodies with unwanted weight game (muscle) and with a prelude to cervical cancer - (bet you did not know that ) But Bob Costas and Bryant gumble are not speaking of that - they are speaking of general use of what ever is preceived to make someone what ? Bigger, longer lasting , recover,astham, relive pain, - We want our baseball, football and basketball players to PLAY - last I check steroids are not illegal they are BANNED - which means - prescrption is necessary to use. simple - very very simple!
If you want to test the BODYBUILDERS - that is fine they will still look like bodybuilders
The lazy untalented commentators who do not have the abilty to play will just say they" figured a way around the test" after this adminstration (BUSH ) Steroids will be reduced to nothing more than WEED!
Just my opinon !
Being black maybe is a hell of a drug, but can you tell me more about its half life? When does it leave the body? With Michael Jackson, it was pretty fast though.
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Yeah, sure looks juiced... ::)
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Dude, not ALL anabolics will make you huge. Cyclists for instance take EPO, but they dont look HUGE now, do they?
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EPO increases red blood cells, it is not anabolic to muscle tissue. It is not really an anabolic compound.
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Sentance - Sentence
Awe sue me why dont'cha.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about in this thread, but I do know that every time I read it's title scrolling down the G&O I just think "oh how absurd a concept..." ;D Then I think, oh wait, does he mean that bodybuilding should be done away with entirely? Now maybe I could see that..." ha ha ha
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Only an absolute retard would even entertain the idea of implementing steroid testing in the IFBB. It's beyond ridiculous on so many levels.
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Repeated cos seemingly no one noticed:
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The idea that somatropin (growth hormone) isn't a drug is patently ridiculous... sometimes the stoopiditty on this board is revolting.
Growth hormone IS a drug; insulin is a drug; thyroxine is a drug; androgenic anabolic steroids are drugs...
They are also CHEATING... and that's why they should be banned. An arbitrary line must be drawn in the sand somewhere, otherwise they become a prerequisite for participation in the sport. Without some kind of limit on what is acceptable in the pursuit of muscle, well then there is always some moron willing to take more than you are... then someone like BillyGuns ends up as Mr Olympia due solely to the dosages and combinations of the stack some irresponsible "guru" recommended/sold to him.
In bodybuilding steroids have given us a progression from great natural physiques in the 50s, to impressive physiques in the 60s, to fantastic physiques in the 70s and 80s, to misshapen artificial physiques in the 90s, to a new century of cartoonish comical freak show bodies...
If you appreciate modern bodybuilding, with its distended stomachs; bloat and pimples; disproportionate musculature reflecting hormone receptor patterns and not the pattern of muscles trained; with its prostitution, gay hustling and schmoes... then more power to you.
But let's remind ourselves of what chemical bodybuilding has cost the physical culture movement...
-mainstream acceptance
(bodybuilding shows should be held in art museums... if the physiques were natural and the shredded, overly-depleted chemical look wasn't rewarded the guys would look like Chippendales but without the watery bloat, and the girls would look like gymnasts/ballerinas... that would put bums on seats and sell gym memberships. Remember bodybuilding audiences are full of low-income sub-100-IQ underachievers directly because of the influence of steroids on this sport)
-proper training science
(every idiot get results with steroids and the din of self-professed experts drowns out proper hypertrophy science... some of these idiots recommend three-a-day volume workouts for natural trainers! No wonder Arthur Jones abandoned bodybuilding in disgust. Remember, you are confused about how to add muscle to your problem bodyparts because of what steroids have done to bodybuilding)
-mainstream respect
(natural bodybuilding requires discipline; commitment; perseverance and intelligence... meanwhile most IFBB Pros are semi-illiterate charisma-free drug addicts that know next to nothing about bodybuilding training or nutrition and would be crackheads or dope fiends if they hadn't found bodybuilding. Remember, this sport is boring because of the influence of steroids)
-organisational integrity
(mainstream acceptance would provide the competition needed to eliminate people like the Weiders who have used bodybuilding as their own personal fiefdom for far too long... Remember, the judging system is corrupt and unaccountable because of what steroids have done to bodybuilding)
Sorry guys, it's the truth.
Steroids have ruined bodybuilding and now that the genie is out of the box... genetic manipulation is on the way, soon, very soon, a muscular build won't command respect from anyone... it won't be something you earn and deserve to be proud of... it'll be something to be ashamed of, akin to getting a facial tattoo reading: "I'm so vain and shallow I take drugs to look like this"
The Luke
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The idea that somatropin (growth hormone) isn't a drug is patently ridiculous... sometimes the stoopiditty on this board is revolting.
Growth hormone IS a drug; insulin is a drug; thyroxine is a drug; androgenic anabolic steroids are drugs...
They are also CHEATING... and that's why they should be banned. An arbitrary line must be drawn in the sand somewhere, otherwise they become a prerequisite for participation in the sport. Without some kind of limit on what is acceptable in the pursuit of muscle, well then there is always some moron willing to take more than you are... then someone like BillyGuns ends up as Mr Olympia due solely to the dosages and combinations of the stack some irresponsible "guru" recommended/sold to him.
In bodybuilding steroids have given us a progression from great natural physiques in the 50s, to impressive physiques in the 60s, to fantastic physiques in the 70s and 80s, to misshapen artificial physiques in the 90s, to a new century of cartoonish comical freak show bodies...
If you appreciate modern bodybuilding, with its distended stomachs; bloat and pimples; disproportionate musculature reflecting hormone receptor patterns and not the pattern of muscles trained; with its prostitution, gay hustling and schmoes... then more power to you.
But let's remind ourselves of what chemical bodybuilding has cost the physical culture movement...
-mainstream acceptance
(bodybuilding shows should be held in art museums... if the physiques were natural and the shredded, overly-depleted chemical look wasn't rewarded the guys would look like Chippendales but without the watery bloat, and the girls would look like gymnasts/ballerinas... that would put bums on seats and sell gym memberships. Remember bodybuilding audiences are full of low-income sub-100-IQ underachievers directly because of the influence of steroids on this sport)
-proper training science
(every idiot get results with steroids and the din of self-professed experts drowns out proper hypertrophy science... some of these idiots recommend three-a-day volume workouts for natural trainers! No wonder Arthur Jones abandoned bodybuilding in disgust. Remember, you are confused about how to add muscle to your problem bodyparts because of what steroids have done to bodybuilding)
-mainstream respect
(natural bodybuilding requires discipline; commitment; perseverance and intelligence... meanwhile most IFBB Pros are semi-illiterate charisma-free drug addicts that know next to nothing about bodybuilding training or nutrition and would be crackheads or dope fiends if they hadn't found bodybuilding. Remember, this sport is boring because of the influence of steroids)
-organisational integrity
(mainstream acceptance would provide the competition needed to eliminate people like the Weiders who have used bodybuilding as their own personal fiefdom for far too long... Remember, the judging system is corrupt and unaccountable because of what steroids have done to bodybuilding)
Sorry guys, it's the truth.
Steroids have ruined bodybuilding and now that the genie is out of the box... genetic manipulation is on the way, soon, very soon, a muscular build won't command respect from anyone... it won't be something you earn and deserve to be proud of... it'll be something to be ashamed of, akin to getting a facial tattoo reading: "I'm so vain and shallow I take drugs to look like this"
The Luke
What a wonderful post. I almost had some tears in my eyes because it is so true.
bodybuilding with steroids is lower on the intelligence and social level than being a street bum.
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In bodybuilding steroids have given us a progression from great natural physiques in the 50s, to impressive physiques in the 60s, to fantastic physiques in the 70s and 80s, to misshapen artificial physiques in the 90s, to a new century of cartoonish comical freak show bodies...
So are you saying that it is OK to do steroids in lower doses like they did in the 70's and 80's. ( they did them in the 50's and 60's too but lets not go there).
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The idea that somatropin (growth hormone) isn't a drug is patently ridiculous... sometimes the stoopiditty on this board is revolting.
Growth hormone IS a drug; insulin is a drug; thyroxine is a drug; androgenic anabolic steroids are drugs...
They are also CHEATING... and that's why they should be banned. An arbitrary line must be drawn in the sand somewhere, otherwise they become a prerequisite for participation in the sport. Without some kind of limit on what is acceptable in the pursuit of muscle, well then there is always some moron willing to take more than you are... then someone like BillyGuns ends up as Mr Olympia due solely to the dosages and combinations of the stack some irresponsible "guru" recommended/sold to him.
In bodybuilding steroids have given us a progression from great natural physiques in the 50s, to impressive physiques in the 60s, to fantastic physiques in the 70s and 80s, to misshapen artificial physiques in the 90s, to a new century of cartoonish comical freak show bodies...
If you appreciate modern bodybuilding, with its distended stomachs; bloat and pimples; disproportionate musculature reflecting hormone receptor patterns and not the pattern of muscles trained; with its prostitution, gay hustling and schmoes... then more power to you.
But let's remind ourselves of what chemical bodybuilding has cost the physical culture movement...
-mainstream acceptance
(bodybuilding shows should be held in art museums... if the physiques were natural and the shredded, overly-depleted chemical look wasn't rewarded the guys would look like Chippendales but without the watery bloat, and the girls would look like gymnasts/ballerinas... that would put bums on seats and sell gym memberships. Remember bodybuilding audiences are full of low-income sub-100-IQ underachievers directly because of the influence of steroids on this sport)
-proper training science
(every idiot get results with steroids and the din of self-professed experts drowns out proper hypertrophy science... some of these idiots recommend three-a-day volume workouts for natural trainers! No wonder Arthur Jones abandoned bodybuilding in disgust. Remember, you are confused about how to add muscle to your problem bodyparts because of what steroids have done to bodybuilding)
-mainstream respect
(natural bodybuilding requires discipline; commitment; perseverance and intelligence... meanwhile most IFBB Pros are semi-illiterate charisma-free drug addicts that know next to nothing about bodybuilding training or nutrition and would be crackheads or dope fiends if they hadn't found bodybuilding. Remember, this sport is boring because of the influence of steroids)
-organisational integrity
(mainstream acceptance would provide the competition needed to eliminate people like the Weiders who have used bodybuilding as their own personal fiefdom for far too long... Remember, the judging system is corrupt and unaccountable because of what steroids have done to bodybuilding)
Sorry guys, it's the truth.
Steroids have ruined bodybuilding and now that the genie is out of the box... genetic manipulation is on the way, soon, very soon, a muscular build won't command respect from anyone... it won't be something you earn and deserve to be proud of... it'll be something to be ashamed of, akin to getting a facial tattoo reading: "I'm so vain and shallow I take drugs to look like this"
The Luke
Amino acids are not drugs you moron
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So are you saying that it is OK to do steroids in lower doses like they did in the 70's and 80's. ( they did them in the 50's and 60's too but lets not go there).
Steroids are required in almost every sport. We all want to see new records and achievements.
Who the hell wants to look at a marathon that takes more than 2:30 for the first guy to come in.
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all natural...
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You guys are missing some of my points. Drug testing will not wipe drug use out and it isn't meant to, much like diuretic testing doesn't end their usage, just curbs it. Competitors still use them to lose water, but they dodge the riskier ones. Steroid testing would limit guys to a few compounds, GH slin low doses of test, some orals etc. I think this will actually ADVANCE bodybuilding and I will tell you why. In the short run, naturally guys will come down in size, and those with the best genes work ethic and probably money will surface to the top. Competitors won't look the same, down in size condition etc. but we the bodybuilding fans will still support it! And we will be more proud because we know these guys are going out there on a lot less shit. The physiques you see will be more of a product of hard work dedication etc.
THEN (and this is important) advances in training, nutrition legal supplementation etc will come around by default. Supplement companies will be racing around trying to find some TRULY advanced compounds BECAUSE they know since their guys in the IFBB now have CREDIBILITY, customers will be racing out to get the shit that put 20 pounds on so and so. Mainstream media will probably try and ignore bodybuilding for a couple years, but news of drug testing will spread and they will be forced to cover it. People around the country will actually go to the gym after picking up a flex while in line at a grocery store. Supplement companies, flush with new green, will be pumping tons of money into contests, competitors will start seeing some very lucrative contracts and bodybuilding will fucking GROW not recede like it has been. YES THE GUYS WILL LOSE SIZE AND CONDITION BUT SO WHAT! Stop looking at today and look at 5, 10 years from now! I have been into this sport since I was 14, so 13 years now I have seen a lot I feel what I am saying is the truth.
Also DO NOT underestimate the DEA and FBI, if they get the itch from congress they will wipe steroids off the map trust me they can if they WANT TO. Right now sources get popped from time to time, usually they sell recs thus the get put at the top of the list. Some sources roll of course (kjuck anyone?) but the point is if you sell sauce online, chances are they know about it. If you peddle gear at your local golds, chances are they know. You just sit nicely at the bottom of the list until something changes and they want you all there is to it. Enough wrestlers have died, enough bodybuilders there is enough attention from congress I think the time is now to act. Maybe the PDI can start something, already we have seen a shift in the judging away from mass monsters, drug testing is the next logical step.
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Amino acids are not drugs you moron
...you need to look up the definition of a drug.
This kind of stooopidity reminds me of a stoner I went to school with. He'd proselytize to anyone who'd listen that marijuana wasn't harmful because: "It's nah-trul! Der's no chemkills in'it!"
By the bye, Methyl Mike is right... proper blood testing in conjunction with polygraph and urine testing would never be able to eliminate drug use. But it could conceivably reduce the usage to the point where the guys might as well be natural because they can't take enough of any ergogenic for it to have any effect.
With modern training techniques and nutritional knowledge the Steve Reeves look is possible naturally... posting pics of some novice natural in an effort to discredit natural trainers is patently facetious. How about posting a pic of Natural Mr Olympia John Hansen?
Is he as good as an IFBB pro? No.
Is he better than any IFBB pro was when they first started taking steroids? Most certainly.
The Luke
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I feel we have only scratched the surface of what kind of muscle growth is possible through training and nutrition, training science has stalled IMO because drugs just make it so much easier. Drugs are like fast food though, you take a shortcut but at a price... On a training note I use POF and variants and have for years, I'm by no means huge but around 225 with decent abs and I don't even take bodybuilding serious. We may never again see another 2003 ronnie coleman BUT we HAVE seen a 2003 ronnie coleman. Time to start down a new path IMO. Re-inventing the sport may breath new life into it...
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I feel we have only scratched the surface of what kind of muscle growth is possible through training and nutrition, training science has stalled IMO because drugs just make it so much easier. Drugs are like fast food though, you take a shortcut but at a price... On a training note I use POF and variants and have for years, I'm by no means huge but around 225 with decent abs and I don't even take bodybuilding serious. We may never again see another 2003 ronnie coleman BUT we HAVE seen a 2003 ronnie coleman. Time to start down a new path IMO. Re-inventing the sport may breath new life into it...
Steroids are a gift from above my friend. No more soreness for the whole week, i love it! It's not really the size that i get from it, most is built naturally anyway. I can train as hard as i can, and get rid of the soreness 24 hours later. Making my next training session more pleasant.
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Steroids are a gift from above my friend. No more soreness for the whole week, i love it! It's not really the size that i get from it, most is built naturally anyway. I can train as hard as i can, and get rid of the soreness 24 hours later. Making my next training session more pleasant.
Oh boy.
You have no idea what proper nutrition and supplementation can do.
Doing drugs to get rid of soreness is plain stupid. You risk hairloss, gyno, small testicles and test suppression, heart growth, bacne and so on because of getting rid of soreness?
Better invest in some good food and supps, that'll help you more.
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Everyone keeps saying the bodybuilding is dying, blah blah blah.....Where is the PROOF.
Is attendance at shows down?,
Are magazine sales down?
Are gym memberships down?
Are supplements sales down?
Are book sales on bodybuilding down?
Where are the stats dude?
are you kidding? It doesn't take a genius to see that bodybuilding sunk to the bottom of the sports world since the 90s.
And the funny thing is...when bodybuilding was popular most of the athletes were taking more shit then today and were risking their lives to get on stage
Is attendance at shows down?, Yes, look at the attendance of shows like the NY Pro now and 5-8 years ago
Are magazine sales down? There are 10x more magazines now then there were a decade ago, so yes individual magazine sales are down
Are gym memberships down? GYM memberships are down, but "fitness center" memberships are at an all time high
Are supplements sales down? Yes, except for muscletech products, and thats only because pre pubescent turds think that taking 50 grams of sugar with creatine will make them look like jay cutler in a few weeks
Are book sales on bodybuilding down? When was the last time a bodybuilder wrote a book? Mike Metzer?
Where are the stats dude?
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I feel we have only scratched the surface of what kind of muscle growth is possible through training and nutrition, training science has stalled IMO because drugs just make it so much easier.
Wrong. There is NOTHING new under the sun wrt to training and nutrition, it has ALL been done for decades upon decades.
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Oh boy.
You have no idea what proper nutrition and supplementation can do.
Doing drugs to get rid of soreness is plain stupid. You risk hairloss, gyno, small testicles and test suppression, heart growth, bacne and so on because of getting rid of soreness?
Better invest in some good food and supps, that'll help you more.
Never had any problems with it. And that's because i don't take stupid amounts, and i take enough time off.
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Wrong. There is NOTHING new under the sun wrt to training and nutrition, it has ALL been done for decades upon decades.
Oh man, you just don't see it do you. TRAINING SCIENCE IS STALLING BECAUSE OF DRUGS. DAMN MAN READ WHAT I WROTE! Without so much heavy chemical assistance guys will be forced to explore some new, revolutionary ideas to get bigger. We will have the second coming of mentzer at some point, for the time being we just have chemical gurus. It takes bold action to garner bold reaction that is plain truth.