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Title: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 08:12:19 AM
Conservative think tank with very very close to the whitehouse is tied to a call for Bush to install himself as dictator and pretty much conquer the world ::) ***I am justifiably claiming Fair Use in the posting of this article in its entirety.***

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Exclusive: Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy
Philip Atkinson

Author: Philip Atkinson
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: August 3, 2007

While democratic government is better than dictatorships and theocracies, it has its pitfalls. FSM Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson describes some of the difficulties facing President Bush today.

Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy

By Philip Atkinson

President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005 after being chosen by the majority of citizens in America to be president.

Yet in 2007 he is generally despised, with many citizens of Western civilization expressing contempt for his person and his policies, sentiments which now abound on the Internet. This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy.

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army. 

This dangerous and expensive act did destroy the Iraqi regime, but left an American army without any clear purpose in a hostile country and subject to attack. If the Army merely returns to its home, then the threat it ended would simply return.

The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.

The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide. Israel provides the perfect example. If the Israelis do not raze Iran, the Iranians will fulfill their boast and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet Israel is not popular, and so is denied permission to defend itself. In the same vein, President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation's powerful weapons. All he can do is try and discover a result that will be popular with Americans.

As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow.

When the ancient Roman general Julius Caesar was struggling to conquer ancient Gaul, he not only had to defeat the Gauls, but he also had to defeat his political enemies in Rome who would destroy him the moment his tenure as consul (president) ended.

Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.  


FamilySecurityMatters.or g Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson is the British born founder of ourcivilisation.com and author of A Study of Our Decline. He is a philosopher specializing in issues concerning the preservation of Western civilization. Mr. Atkinson receives mail at rpa@ourcivilisation.com.

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Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on August 19, 2007, 10:30:51 AM
Amazing.....
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 10:45:26 AM
I also find it amazing that people are critical of Chavez but are quiet when Neocon X calls for this.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: 24KT on August 19, 2007, 11:01:06 AM
I also find it amazing that people are critical of Chavez but are quiet when Neocon X calls for this.

...calls for this, ...and worse.  :o
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Al-Gebra on August 19, 2007, 11:04:59 AM
I have a modest proposal . . . aren't the Iraqis starving? they might solve their problems by cooking and eating poor Iraqi children.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 11:14:25 AM
...calls for this, ...and worse.  :o
yea, this is really pretty bad...
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 11:16:14 AM
I have a modest proposal . . . aren't the Iraqis starving? they might solve their problems by cooking and eating poor Iraqi children.
Good to go, as long as it's under Bush as Ruler of the known Universe :D
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: WOOO on August 19, 2007, 11:25:45 AM
Good to go, as long as it's under Bush as Ruler of the known Universe :D


i do not understand why you people don't revolt...
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Al-Gebra on August 19, 2007, 11:27:22 AM

i do not understand why you people don't revolt...

what country are you from? In the US, we all know he'll ride off into the sunset in little more than a year.  they all do . . . well, except FDR, but he keeled over anyway.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 11:35:55 AM

i do not understand why you people don't revolt...
That wouldn't go over real well.  It never works unless it comes with the backing of the puppet masters and that would be counter productive to their desires.  Those with even the most noble of intentions in this area would be splayed out in the media and find themselves labeled home grown terrorists.

America Prevails!!!  :D
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 19, 2007, 11:55:44 AM
Revolt gimmea break.....do any of u people ever go to the third world.....most of these places really suck. Hell, parts of Europe suck.  Beserk...Chavez is a nutbag world leader..this guy is just a nutbag. Chavez has oil and subs..this guy has a computer and retarded ideas. They both have the same thing in common, they are both idiots.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: 24KT on August 19, 2007, 11:59:57 AM
Revolt gimmea break.....do any of u people ever go to the third world.....most of these places really suck. Hell, parts of Europe suck.  Beserk...Chavez is a nutbag world leader..this guy is just a nutbag. Chavez has oil and subs..this guy has a computer and retarded ideas. They both have the same thing in common, they are both idiots.

Way to deflect the topic HH.
This thread is about a neo con calling for Bush to destroy American democracy, and declare himself another Caesar,
not about Chavez. I would think this is where you come in, ...step up to the plate and honour your oath to defend the constitution. Put your money where your mouth is. in other words... put up or shut up. please & thank you.

ps - I can't believe you actually thought Berserker or any of the other readers here, so stupid or so afflicted with ADD that we couldn't spot such a flaccid, impotent, diversionary tactic.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 01:36:49 PM
Revolt gimmea break.....do any of u people ever go to the third world.....most of these places really suck. Hell, parts of Europe suck.  Beserk...Chavez is a nutbag world leader..this guy is just a nutbag. Chavez has oil and subs..this guy has a computer and retarded ideas. They both have the same thing in common, they are both idiots.
I'm not for a revolt... for the record, I am not for a revolt...  I'm participating in the system within the law and I do not intend on doing otherwise at any time ever past or present.  And with Chavez, you do not have the complete picture.  You should throughly research both sides.  :)
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 01:41:45 PM
Yea HH, you cannot possibly condone this prominent neocon's notions by pointing out Chavez.  You get right back here and denounce this guy :D
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Al-Gebra on August 19, 2007, 01:56:42 PM

who made atkinson a prominent anything?
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 02:24:28 PM
who made atkinson a prominent anything?
He's a contributing editor for Family Security Matters... No, "prominent" was being way to generous... In the group of vocal neoconservitives, although his opinion is valued by the neoconservitievs enough to carry him as a contributing member, he's clearly not Richard Perle prominent. 
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 02:36:21 PM
Maybe the most important fact to look at here is that this article, published on the family secuity matters website on August 3rd was promoted to Must Read status found center column on the homepage.  That most likely means the Editorial Manager got all google eyed at the article... Until the higher ups at the Center for Security Policy saw the PR nightmare with this article... So it went from "Must Read" to not being able to find his name anywhere on the site :D


OHHH SNAP :P
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 19, 2007, 07:19:03 PM
Holy missing the point batman...hey Jag Chavez is a world leader who controls a country....so when he does crazy things people die. This guy wrote an article..he's an idiot ..nothing bad happenes...see berserk...I said idiot. No way to defend this crap. Jag, again don't tell my responsibilities to my countrymen...or MY FUCKING CONSTITUTION....wow I feel better..anyway this guy is crazy and "shudder" I'm with Berseker on this one. If we're going with a Caeser I can think of much better folks..George is not on the top of my list.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 19, 2007, 07:23:51 PM
Holy missing the point batman...hey Jag Chavez is a world leader who controls a country....so when he does crazy things people die. This guy wrote an article..he's an idiot ..nothing bad happenes...see berserk...I said idiot. No way to defend this crap. Jag, again don't tell my responsibilities to my countrymen...or MY FUCKING CONSTITUTION....wow I feel better..anyway this guy is crazy and "shudder" I'm with Berseker on this one. If we're going with a Caeser I can think of much better folks..George is not on the top of my list.
you made a list :-\


 ;D
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: 24KT on August 20, 2007, 03:43:41 AM
Holy missing the point batman...hey Jag Chavez is a world leader who controls a country....so when he does crazy things people die. This guy wrote an article..he's an idiot ..nothing bad happenes...see berserk...I said idiot. No way to defend this crap. Jag, again don't tell my responsibilities to my countrymen...or MY FUCKING CONSTITUTION....wow I feel better..anyway this guy is crazy and "shudder" I'm with Berseker on this one. If we're going with a Caeser I can think of much better folks..George is not on the top of my list.
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Quoted for posterity, ...and to shove back in your face when the time is right.  ;)
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 04:04:04 AM
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Quoted for posterity, ...and to shove back in your face when the time is right.  ;)
AHHAHHAHHAHahahahaa.... nice spot!!! 

HH:
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Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 07:20:29 AM
Bush will be gone in a year or so....Uncle Hugo looks to be around for awhile.....so say what u want LIB princess.....atleast there won't be blood in the street when he leaves..unless u count drunk people celebrating. Yes Beserk i made a list..its based on who will continue to allow NFL football and what kind of cool uniform I'll get.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 07:54:55 AM
Yes Beserk i made a list..its based on who will continue to allow NFL football and what kind of cool uniform I'll get.
huh ???  Me no speekie dipshit...  Go get a stupid neocon/English translater for me...
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 08:13:42 AM
Translation...nobody is taking over the US so relax..
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 08:18:30 AM
Translation...nobody is taking over the US so relax..
and you now this how ??? You're a member of an elite secret society and have inside knowledge of the inside workings of world leaders and financial empires?  wow... due tell ::)
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 08:25:45 AM
I'm a member of the Military stationed at the one place any invasion/take over/ militray coup would or could be generated from..all the real smart guys are here.....as opposed to u..how do u know we're going to be taken over.....privy to the innner workings of GWB. U really need to relax dude.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 08:29:23 AM
Translation: You're nobody, and I'm still someone who spends a great deal of time researching, while you spend your time bitching at everything I bring to the table with nothing to ever back it up beyond your repeated, "I would know because I'm military"  ::)
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 08:36:34 AM
I didn't say I'm somebody..I guess that depnds on what classifies as somebody these days. I get quoted in magazines and TV occasionally....its part of my job. But on to ur point. Nobody is taking over the country. Shit like that takes time and planning. I'm not talking external threats, i'm talking internal. I can only assume thats where u see the threat. If I was stationed at FT Hood and the orders came down to roll into Dallas to seize territory I'm with u. I'd have no prior knowledge. But where I'm at now, we teach the highest level planners for the US Military, and some foreign militaries. These guys are all trained by phD's and many have them as well. These guys would be tapped to help plan any takeover...please keep in mind that I believe the whole thread to be ridiclous but I'm willing to humor u for sake of argument. Its ridiculous but interesting. Things would have to get completely crazy here, in ways we haven't thought of, for US troops to decide to back a coup.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 08:41:11 AM
I didn't say I'm somebody..I guess that depnds on what classifies as somebody these days. I get quoted in magazines and TV occasionally....its part of my job. But on to ur point. Nobody is taking over the country. Shit like that takes time and planning. I'm not talking external threats, i'm talking internal. I can only assume thats where u see the threat. If I was stationed at FT Hood and the orders came down to roll into Dallas to seize territory I'm with u. I'd have no prior knowledge. But where I'm at now, we teach the highest level planners for the US Military, and some foreign militaries. These guys are all trained by phD's and many have them as well. These guys would be tapped to help plan any takeover...please keep in mind that I believe the whole thread to be ridiclous but I'm willing to humor u for sake of argument. Its ridiculous but interesting. Things would have to get completely crazy here, in ways we haven't thought of, for US troops to decide to back a coup.
Jesus Christ, I don't disagree with any of this and have never thought this would all go down like Bush calling a General in his office and saying, go for it, take down my political opponents...  We're so far on two different pages it would take ages to fill you in on what I believe and why I believe it.  But no, I sure as hell laugh at the notion that it would happen like that... of course not!!  There's more involved, way way way more involved.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 08:43:50 AM
BUT... obviously there are neocons that think like this...
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 08:48:30 AM
This article is so crazy..I'm wondering if he's serious or being funny or whatever.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 09:02:35 AM
Maybe the most important fact to look at here is that this article, published on the family secuity matters website on August 3rd was promoted to Must Read status found center column on the homepage.  That most likely means the Editorial Manager got all google eyed at the article... Until the higher ups at the Center for Security Policy saw the PR nightmare with this article... So it went from "Must Read" to not being able to find his name anywhere on the site :D


OHHH SNAP :P
Quoted for HH... Family Security Matters doesn't strike me as much of a comedy site... http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/

and to top it off, the guy is a self proclaimed philosopher :D
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 09:26:38 AM
I'll look over the site..I don't see to many other articles with such nutbaggery....I'm not sure who goes to such a site. Look I'm a Conservative but I also get annoyed when folks from the Right volunteer me for invading every nation on earth to hoist demoracy on the masses. Not everybody wants democracy, or should have it. The Left hates the military and America and the far Rights wants us to spread democracy like flower petals.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 09:32:58 AM
I'll look over the site..I don't see to many other articles with such nutbaggery....I'm not sure who goes to such a site. Look I'm a Conservative but I also get annoyed when folks from the Right volunteer me for invading every nation on earth to hoist demoracy on the masses. Not everybody wants democracy, or should have it. The Left hates the military and America and the far Rights wants us to spread democracy like flower petals.
I agree with you totally with the exception that the left hates the military.  I'm pretty well read and active in the left and I think that's a pretty big intentional misrepresentation of most of the left, unless you're talking about the vegan, don't harm a fly left then yes, but the fact is most of the left will fall more into a category of, "Hates the military misused" That is you will find a majority of progressives wanting to see the military used to defend America, not all this other crap these idiots get us tangled up in.  Even lefties like Michael Moore are big on pushing this idea--and so am I.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: OzmO on August 20, 2007, 09:45:38 AM
I agree with you totally with the exception that the left hates the military.  I'm pretty well read and active in the left and I think that's a pretty big intentional misrepresentation of most of the left, unless you're talking about the vegan, don't harm a fly left then yes, but the fact is most of the left will fall more into a category of, "Hates the military misused" That is you will find a majority of progressives wanting to see the military used to defend America, not all this other crap these idiots get us tangled up in.  Even lefties like Michael Moore are big on pushing this idea.

The left:

-  Hates America
-  Wants America to lose in Iraq
-  Hates the military


These are 3 of the most common brainwashings about the left that many neo-cons spew out.

I'm not saying HH6 is a neo-con.  He's more of a true conservative IMO.

But these misconceptions about the left are alarming because people actually believe they are true.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 11:30:50 AM
I guess we or I have to define Left.....liberals..not dems. Especially far left dems. Not auto union...coal miner dems. The Left has hijacked the dem party and sorry boys....there are far to many vocal dems like beserk mentioned that hate the military. I'm not a neo-con.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: OzmO on August 20, 2007, 11:45:09 AM
I guess we or I have to define Left.....liberals..not dems. Especially far left dems. Not auto union...coal miner dems. The Left has hijacked the dem party and sorry boys....there are far to many vocal dems like beserk mentioned that hate the military. I'm not a neo-con.

In any conversation I've had with you I've never got that feeling you were a neo-con but in stead a practical conservative.  I've not known too many "liberals" who would have said those three things i talked about.   I think it can be said the neo-con have hijacked the republican party also.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 12:30:36 PM
Yes they have or had...I think they are being in the process of getting dumped...we'll see. Many talk show Righties adopted their mantra's and it will tough to weed them out. There is not to many prominent Repubs out there that u could say..hey that guy is just like Reagan.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 12:43:18 PM
I guess we or I have to define Left.....liberals..not dems. Especially far left dems. Not auto union...coal miner dems. The Left has hijacked the dem party and sorry boys....there are far to many vocal dems like beserk mentioned that hate the military. I'm not a neo-con.
You're not a neocon, you're a neocon worker bee...  a good little one that does exactly like his daddy neocons tell him to do.  There's no shortage of your defending their policy on this forum.. all the same shit to me...  The only difference is one pushing for policy and you're supporting it.  And your depiction of the left is right out of a goddamned neocon comic book ::) clueless, truly clueless...  and you really have no business talking about hijacks when the biggest hijack of all time has occured in the republican party. 
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 01:06:19 PM
Yeah ..ok dude..the dilusional liberal left which is the Dem party has their collective head in the sand.You idiots see Bush and all kinds of internal boggeymen while apologizing for Hugo Chavez, Iran, the muslim nutbags and anybody else not American. Its post after post about how we're the bad guy or how Bush is the bad guy. I don't care about Bush. I don't make policy. I do what I'm told because thats my job. I see the rags as a major threat...my feelings happen to agree with that of Bush and this government. You're blind to the threat. You think we're endanger of a false flag ::)....also you've become unhinged over minor crap...relax.

I've been in the service since I was 17. Half my time was under Bill.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 01:37:40 PM
Yeah ..ok dude..the dilusional liberal left which is the Dem party has their collective head in the sand.You idiots see Bush and all kinds of internal boggeymen while apologizing for Hugo Chavez, Iran, the muslim nutbags and anybody else not American. Its post after post about how we're the bad guy or how Bush is the bad guy. I don't care about Bush. I don't make policy. I do what I'm told because thats my job. I see the rags as a major threat...my feelings happen to agree with that of Bush and this government. You're blind to the threat. You think we're endanger of a false flag ::)....also you've become unhinged over minor crap...relax.

I've been in the service since I was 17. Half my time was under Bill.
trust me, I see the threat all to well...   ::)
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 20, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
And its your own elected government right...unless we get nuked I can guarentee u will be safe to post whatever u want well into the next administration
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 02:09:28 PM
And its your own elected government right...unless we get nuked I can guarentee u will be safe to post whatever u want well into the next administration
wrong, it's some of my own elected gov.  It's quite a few self serving tools.  mix in 3 parts some dipshit ancient plan with followers and I promise you, the world will be a very differnet place shorty, including the US...  Or so that's the plan and I don't see much to convince me they're not on track.  go ahead, call me a nutt, I give a shit not.  The threat is NOT what you think it is.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on August 20, 2007, 02:23:32 PM
Ok HH, I appologize for getting worked up... I've been pretty hard on you and I know you're just doing your job and I know you're serving your Country which in my mind is the highest calling.  On a lot of levels I respect the hell out of you.  I have certain ideas that have come about through a shit load of research, buying old nasty manuscripts and books not to mention traveling about a bit and gathering information first hand so I get a little piffed at constantly being relegated to a paranoid conspiracy theorist.  But anyway, sorry for coming down on you hard.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: 24KT on August 21, 2007, 03:47:42 PM
Bush will be gone in a year or so....Uncle Hugo looks to be around for awhile.....so say what u want LIB princess.....atleast there won't be blood in the street when he leaves..unless u count drunk people celebrating. Yes Beserk i made a list..its based on who will continue to allow NFL football and what kind of cool uniform I'll get.

Wake Up why don't cha?!
There's already been far too much American blood spilled in the streets ...of Iraq, ...of Afghanistan,
...possibly soon to be Iran, ...and lord knows where else the neo cons have planned.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Slapper on August 21, 2007, 07:49:14 PM
First stupidity check (one that ought to prevent anyone with 2 brain cells from reading past the 2nd line): Putting Bush at the same level as Caesar.

It goes to show you how much conservative opinion has deviated from any logical reasoning.

Bush vs. Caesar? Gimme a fucking break!!
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: headhuntersix on August 22, 2007, 07:25:03 AM
Yeah pretty much....Hey jag, most of us are happy to have served. Berserk lay out what you're talking about, I might think you're nuts but I bet its pretty interesting.
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: 24KT on August 24, 2007, 08:01:04 PM
Yeah pretty much....Hey jag, most of us are happy to have served. Berserk lay out what you're talking about, I might think you're nuts but I bet its pretty interesting.

Of course you are, ...you're alive to be happy for your service. I don't know if the guy who is dead would share those same sentiments. Having died in a noble cause that bettered your country is one thing. Having died, or serving as mere cannon fodder, in an arena that you considered to be a monumental waste of resources, tax payer money, and squandered military personnel is another. What do you think Pat Tillman would have said if asked if he was happy to have served? From what I hear, he didn't serve, ...he GOT served!  :'(
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: Parker on August 25, 2007, 09:41:04 AM
The sad part of America is there is great discord about the policies of this administration, yet they still go on with it. And Americans just sit, there on our fat McDonald's laden butts,  call people names, complain, but when it comes down to it, we're lazier than most of the world, we are not thankful for what we have, and as such we act as if are incapable of making a change...
This will continue on whether Hilliary or Obama or whoever is in office. Complacency is Extinction for any civilization, it happen to Rome, it happen to Europe, it happen to many a Eastern and African civilizations, and it will happen to the US. 
Title: Re: THE MOST HOLY OF HOLY SHITS: Mother of all Neocon Meltdowns...
Post by: tu_holmes on August 25, 2007, 12:40:06 PM
First stupidity check (one that ought to prevent anyone with 2 brain cells from reading past the 2nd line): Putting Bush at the same level as Caesar.

It goes to show you how much conservative opinion has deviated from any logical reasoning.

Bush vs. Caesar? Gimme a fucking break!!
First stupidity check (one that ought to prevent anyone with 2 brain cells from reading past the 2nd line): Putting Bush at the same level as Caesar.

It goes to show you how much conservative opinion has deviated from any logical reasoning.

Bush vs. Caesar? Gimme a fucking break!!

Oh, I dunno... Bush vs. Caesar is kind of appropriate... really, they do have a lot of similarities...

It's the Bush vs. Hitler comparison's I can't stand... I mean, Hitler? Come on... No one on the planet has ever been like that guy... not Stalin, not Pol Pot, not even Ivan the Terrible... No one can be compared to Hitler.

Caesar though... sure... I'm cool with that... a "democratic" government which really is just democratic on paper... check.

Expanding power through war and aggression... check.

Proclaiming that these new "governments" can rule themselves... check.

All the while the Empire is in control... check.

I'm not saying it is always a bad thing... you can make your own conclusions on that... is it good or bad... I have my opinion, but that's not the point... The point is that there are similarities.

Just remember... Rome was the greatest Empire ever... It's people prospered when all others faltered, but all empire's fall...