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Now this is spin.
Hillary: My High Negatives Are a Positive
Friday, August 24, 2007 8:50 PM
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says her political negatives are a "blessing."
Speaking at a house party in Concord, N.H, the Democratic front-runner for the 2008 presidential nomination said she's been in the spotlight for so long that there's nothing left for her opponents to dig up and smear her with.
"The tactics... will be to drive up the negatives of whoever our nominee is, and it will all be fresh information," said Clinton, according to the Boston Globe. "It will all be, 'Oh you didn't know? Let us tell you. Let us paint a caricature...' Whereas I have the somewhat mixed, but I think rather fortunate blessing, of already starting with those negatives."
http://www.newsmax.com/inside_cover/hillary_president/2007/08/24/27298.html
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It is, but it's also kind of true... However, if that's her big "plan" to get the nomination, she must feel pretty screwed right now.
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It is, but it's also kind of true... However, if that's her big "plan" to get the nomination, she must feel pretty screwed right now.
Yep. What else can she say? She turns a lot of people off and has since she was First Lady. I don't think she can reinvent herself. She is who she is.
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Yep. What else can she say? She turns a lot of people off and has since she was First Lady. I don't think she can reinvent herself. She is who she is.
Hey, being a bitch is a hard trait to turn off.
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Hey, being a bitch is a hard trait to turn off.
lol. :D I was thinking it, but didn't want to say it. She is a Queen Bee. :)
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lol. :D I was thinking it, but didn't want to say it. She is a Queen Bee. :)
I'm a liberal, I can say it all day long. Truth is truth.
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Now this is spin.
Hillary: My High Negatives Are a Positive
Friday, August 24, 2007 8:50 PM
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton says her political negatives are a "blessing."
Speaking at a house party in Concord, N.H, the Democratic front-runner for the 2008 presidential nomination said she's been in the spotlight for so long that there's nothing left for her opponents to dig up and smear her with.
"The tactics... will be to drive up the negatives of whoever our nominee is, and it will all be fresh information," said Clinton, according to the Boston Globe. "It will all be, 'Oh you didn't know? Let us tell you. Let us paint a caricature...' Whereas I have the somewhat mixed, but I think rather fortunate blessing, of already starting with those negatives."
http://www.newsmax.com/inside_cover/hillary_president/2007/08/24/27298.html
Bum - why does all your "news" come from NewsMax.com?
They appear to have been founded by arch conservatives and they seem to have a record of gross innacuracies, outright lies, etc...
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I'm a liberal, I can say it all day long. Truth is truth.
The truth shall set you free. :)
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Bum - why does all your "news" come from NewsMax.com?
They appear to have been founded by arch conservatives and they seem to have a record of gross innacuracies, outright lies, etc...
::) You mean like the thread where I just posted an article from CNN? http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=133287.0
Quit making stuff up. You smoking pakalolo today?
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::) You mean like the thread where I just posted an article from CNN? http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=133287.0
Quit making stuff up. You smoking pakalolo today?
Sorry Bum, I don't understand your pigeon talk.
Ok only about 75% of your crap comes from newsmax - my mistake
Surprised to see this. I've been busy, but has this made national news (CNN, etc.)? Haven't heard it.
Ex-Kevorkian Atty Charged Over Donations
http://www.newsmax.com/inside_cover/fieger_indicted/2007/08/24/27214.html
Monday, Aug. 20, 2007 2:58 p.m. EDT
Democrats Fear Positive Iraq Report
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/8/20/145934.shtml?s=ic
Now this is spin.
Hillary: My High Negatives Are a Positive
Friday, August 24, 2007 8:50 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/inside_cover/hillary_president/2007/08/24/27298.html
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Sorry Bum, I don't understand your pigeon talk.
Ok only about 75% of your crap comes from newsmax - my mistake
LOL. You really are high today. I thought you only smoked weed on ocassion? Here you go Jethro:
Fox News: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162280.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=163638.0
Honolulu Star Bulletin: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162794.0
Honolulu Adverstiser: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162654.0
Washington Post: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162437.0
New York Daily News: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157718.0
Kansas City Star: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=161732.0
Now what were you saying Jethro?
Come and listen to my story 'bout a man named Jed . . . .
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Hey, being a bitch is a hard trait to turn off.
It worked for Thatcher. :-\
Kind of a similar situation with early 80's England: A Labour torned apart by inner fights and poor leadership lost the credibility with the voters. And Thatcher and Tories just had to cash in on that.
Current situation in USA: A weak GOP, with lots of internal problems, has a big uphill struggle.
And IMO, it's the Republicans who will lose this Presidential election. Not the Democrats who will win it because their great politics.
Whether or not the Democrats will be able to convert it all into something, is a different matter.
Thatcher was able to stay in power for a long time, and had a lot of impact on UK with her politics.
Whether or not that politics were good, is debatable. But she was able to get the mandate to do things in the UK.
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LOL. You really are high today. I thought you only smoked weed on ocassion? Here you go Jethro:
Fox News: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162280.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=163638.0
Honolulu Star Bulletin: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162794.0
Honolulu Adverstiser: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162654.0
Washington Post: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162437.0
New York Daily News: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157718.0
Kansas City Star: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=161732.0
Now what were you saying Jethro?
Come and listen to my story 'bout a man named Jed . . . .
Here's my point - NewsMax sucks as a source of actual news
Kind of ironic eh? .... oh wait I forgot you pretend not to get irony
given your penchant for non-sequiturs I'd guess you're the one smoking pot.
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Here's my point - NewsMax sucks as a source of actual news
Kind of ironic eh? .... oh wait I forgot you pretend not to get irony
given your penchant for non-sequiturs I'd guess you're the one smoking pot.
LOL!!! . . . . LOL! You just got outed as a friggin liar and now it's irony? LOL! Okay Jethro. Hey here are some more threads to chew on.
Fox News: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=160887.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157326.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=158457.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=158456.0
Time: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=156728.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=156593.0
I don't usually waste my time responding to much of the drivel you post on this board, but this one was actually kinda fun. You went from saying "all" my news comes from Newsmax, to "75 percent," to "irony." LOL. Got smoke some more dope liar. LOL. Thanks for making me laugh. Gotta run . . . . ;D ;D ;D
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LOL!!! . . . . LOL! You just got outed as a friggin liar and now it's irony? LOL! Okay Jethro. Hey here are some more threads to chew on.
Fox News: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=160887.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157326.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=158457.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=158456.0
Time: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=156728.0
CNN: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=156593.0
I don't usually waste my time responding to much of the drivel you post on this board, but this one was actually kinda fun. You went from saying "all" my news comes from Newsmax, to "75 percent," to "irony." LOL. Got smoke some more dope liar. LOL. Thanks for making me laugh. Gotta run . . . . ;D ;D ;D
I wish I had some pot.
Too bad I'm not in Hawaii or I could probably score some from one of your kids or if not then certainly one of their friends.
btw - my very quick review of your recent post on the current page with links to news stories seemed to show ~ 75% from NewsMax.
I'm glad I could make you laugh - I wish you were able to return the favor once and awhile
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ANYONE IS BETTER THAN BUSH.....PERIOD.
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I wish I had some pot.
Too bad I'm not in Hawaii or I could probably score some from one of your kids or if not then certainly one of their friends.
btw - my very quick review of your recent post on the current page with links to news stories seemed to show ~ 75% from NewsMax.
I'm glad I could make you laugh - I wish you were able to return the favor once and awhile
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Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
Friday, July 27, 2007
LONDON — Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.
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Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
Friday, July 27, 2007
LONDON — Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.
Not Refer madness all over again.
Perhaps the researchers are confusing "psychosis" with paranoia... Everyone knows that people who smoke up are paranoid that other people can tell they smoke up... Well, except in California where smoking up seems to be the norm.
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Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
Friday, July 27, 2007
LONDON — Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.
Bum,
You just bumped this thread yesterday.
Have you already forgotten?
Let's see - short term memory loss, you're familiar with drug jargon, you know all the the words to a Hawaiian stoner song, you're amused by singing sitcom themes....
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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It's voting season again and everyone has an opinion.
But really, I think the Bush supporters should sit this one out b/c you guys supported arguably the worst president in modern history.
Everything this current president has touched has turned to dog shit.
You Bush supporters have a lot of chutzpah criticizing anyone else running for president in '08 considering your track record for the past two elections.
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It's voting season again and everyone has an opinion.
But really, I think the Bush supporters should sit this one out b/c you guys supported arguably the worst president in modern history.
Everything this current president has touched has turned to dog shit.
You Bush supporters have a lot of chutzpah criticizing anyone else running for president in '08 considering your track record for the past two elections.
Here you go....
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That's funny stuff.
Too bad the next president will have to clean up the dozens of messes both foreign and domestic that Bush has created. More terrorists, more debt, more dead, more instability, more of everything.
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Bum,
You just bumped this thread yesterday.
Have you already forgotten?
Let's see - short term memory loss, you're familiar with drug jargon, you know all the the words to a Hawaiian stoner song, you're amused by singing sitcom themes....
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
This is funny . . . . :)
"They looked for psychotic illnesses as well as cognitive disorders including delusions and hallucinations, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, neuroses and suicidal tendencies.
They found that people who used marijuana had roughly a 40 percent higher chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. The overall risk remains very low."
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It's voting season again and everyone has an opinion.
But really, I think the Bush supporters should sit this one out b/c you guys supported arguably the worst president in modern history.
Everything this current president has touched has turned to dog shit.
You Bush supporters have a lot of chutzpah criticizing anyone else running for president in '08 considering your track record for the past two elections.
And this will be Hillary's tactic: run against Bush. She has to do all she can to deflect attention away from herself, because people don't like her.
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And this will be Hillary's tactic: run against Bush. She has to do all she can to deflect attention away from herself, because people don't like her.
It's too bad that so many voters use 'likability' as the most important criterion for voting.
That's how we got stuck with Bush.....And we all know how that turned out.
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It's too bad that so many voters use 'likability' as the most important criterion for voting.
That's how we got stuck with Bush.....And we all know how that turned out.
I don't have a problem with likeability as a factor. It's a very important quality for someone whose primary job is to use the bully pulpit to make us all feel good. That's partly what made Reagan and Clinton successful. Hillary just doesn't have it. People don't trust her. She doesn't impress me as sincere, or even a nice person. She doesn't seem to handle criticism well, which is terrible for someone who must make many decisions with the help of advisors. And this is without even looking at her political views. I'm not sure how she pulls it off in the general, unless Republicans nominate someone equally as polarizing (like Newt).
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I don't have a problem with likeability as a factor. It's a very important quality for someone whose primary job is to use the bully pulpit to make us all feel good. ....
You may be right. Connecting with people is important for a leader.
But a leader can manufacture likability... the cult of personality comes to mind and that is the pathway to authoritarianism.
One would hope that "likability" springs from confidence in one's ideas and the articulation of those ideas instead of from a winning smile or playing the role of a cowboy clearing brush.
If a candidate's likability factor is predicated largely on the efforts of PR firms instead of ideas and rhetorical abilities, then we have candidates that are vacuous (ethically) and a danger to our country.
President Bush does not handle criticism well at all...remember his "I'm the Decider!" flourish....
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You may be right. Connecting with people is important for a leader.
But a leader can manufacture likability... the cult of personality comes to mind and that is the pathway to authoritarianism.
One would hope that "likability" springs from confidence in one's ideas and the articulation of those ideas instead of from a winning smile or playing the role of a cowboy clearing brush.
If a candidate's likability factor is predicated largely on the efforts of PR firms instead of ideas and rhetorical abilities, then we have candidates that are vacuous (ethically) and a danger to our country.
President Bush does not handle criticism well at all...remember his "I'm the Decider!" flourish....
I'm not sure likeability can be manufactured . . . at least not over the long haul. People are who they are. Some people come across as stiff (like Gore). If Hillary had her husband's personality she would be a much better candidate. She comes across as a snob. But that's just me (and about 40 percent of the people who respond to opinion polls. :))
I think you can make an argument that Bush doesn't handle criticism well, but one of the things I like about him is his resolve.
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I'm not sure likeability can be manufactured . . . at least not over the long haul. People are who they are. Some people come across as stiff (like Gore). If Hillary had her husband's personality she would be a much better candidate. She comes across as a snob. But that's just me (and about 40 percent of the people who respond to opinion polls. :))
I think you can make an argument that Bush doesn't handle criticism well, but one of the things I like about him is his resolve.
Consultants and PR firms manufacture image all the time. Generally, focus groups help define the parameters of the image sought. That's why Bush played the role of a cowboy rancher even though he dislikes horses. It's the same reason he dressed up like an army man to declare victory over Iraq.
As for Clinton, is she a snob?
Does she say and do anything to get/hold power?
Is she a bitch?
Those are unavoidable character conclusions by her enemies. I don't see the evidence though.
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Consultants and PR firms manufacture image all the time. Generally, focus groups help define the parameters of the image sought. That's why Bush played the role of a cowboy rancher even though he dislikes horses. It's the same reason he dressed up like an army man to declare victory over Iraq.
As for Clinton, is she a snob?
Does she say and do anything to get/hold power?
Is she a bitch?
Those are unavoidable character conclusions by her enemies. I don't see the evidence though.
I agree image can be manufactured. What cannot be manufactured over the long haul is someone's likeability. You can dress up a Queen Bee, but if she keeps opening her mouth she will eventually show her true colors.
I'm not a Hillary enemy. I voted for her husband twice. I just don't like her. I'm not alone. I've said this before, but when I watch her in debates she comes across as a cold fish.
I think McCain has the same problem.
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I don't have a problem with likeability as a factor. It's a very important quality for someone whose primary job is to use the bully pulpit to make us all feel good. That's partly what made Reagan and Clinton successful. Hillary just doesn't have it. People don't trust her. She doesn't impress me as sincere, or even a nice person. She doesn't seem to handle criticism well, which is terrible for someone who must make many decisions with the help of advisors. And this is without even looking at her political views. I'm not sure how she pulls it off in the general, unless Republicans nominate someone equally as polarizing (like Newt).
I disagree.
For all his later flaws, Nixon had qualities as a politician, and a pragmatic.
But he was beaten by Kennedy, because he lacked charisma and good looks.
In the famous TV debate, those who saw the debate thought Kennedy won, but those who only heard it on the radio, thought Nixon won it.
And thanks to that debate, and probably some cheating, Kennedy won.
This is a problem IMO.
Would FDR ever have been able to win the presidency with his weak health?
Media is largely responsible for the focus on likeability.
Also, a big problem is that a lot of the candidates fortunes is decided, not by the political platform, but by the cashflow generated.
How many great potential US presidents have we missed out on?
I know we've at least had one great: FDR.
Other than him, there's been a few good ones, but not anyone who probably the best man in the nation at the current time.
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I disagree.
For all his later flaws, Nixon had qualities as a politician, and a pragmatic.
But he was beaten by Kennedy, because he lacked charisma and good looks.
In the famous TV debate, those who saw the debate thought Kennedy won, but those who only heard it on the radio, thought Nixon won it.
And thanks to that debate, and probably some cheating, Kennedy won.
This is a problem IMO.
Would FDR ever have been able to win the presidency with his weak health?
Media is largely responsible for the focus on likeability.
Also, a big problem is that a lot of the candidates fortunes is decided, not by the political platform, but by the cashflow generated.
How many great potential US presidents have we missed out on?
I know we've at least had one great: FDR.
Other than him, there's been a few good ones, but not anyone who probably the best man in the nation at the current time.
Sounds like you agree (not disagree). Charisma and good looks are part of likeability.
It's true that cash flow plays a huge role, but that only comes into play after a good looking candidate with broad appeal has been hand picked by the powers that be. Just look at Phil Graham. He had millions, but looked like Gollum from Lord of the Rings. He had no chance.
Our best and brightest don't run. If they did, we'd have George Mitchell running as a Democrat and Colin Powell running as a Republican in the current race.
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Sounds like you agree (not disagree). Charisma and good looks are part of likeability.
It's true that cash flow plays a huge role, but that only comes into play after a good looking candidate with broad appeal has been hand picked by the powers that be. Just look at Phil Graham. He had millions, but looked like Gollum from Lord of the Rings. He had no chance.
Our best and brightest don't run. If they did, we'd have George Mitchell running as a Democrat and Colin Powell running as a Republican in the current race.
Mm...ok. >:( ;D