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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Stavios on August 25, 2007, 08:26:14 PM
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ok It was easy shit all summer long, now it's time to put on some muscle 8)
what do you tiny tits think of split training ?
I am thinking training like this:
monday:
am-back
pm-legs
tuesday:
am-chest
pm-shoulders
wensday:
am-arms
pm-back
thursday:
am-legs
pm-chest
friday:
am-shoulders
pm-arms
the first time will be low volume / high intensity a la Mark Dugdale
the second time will be giant sets Milos style
speak on this mofos
I am starting this monday
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You'll burn the fvck out :P.. I would throw in a low-moderate volume/moderate intensity phase in there as well, instead of alternating between HIT and Milos style only.
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And that an AM/PM split, otherwise split training implies only that u split up your bodyparts over the week.
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You claim you're doing this to get big, but how often do you plan to squat, deadlift, bench and shoulder press heavy?
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hit each bodypart once a week, one muscle group a day with high volume.
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hit each bodypart once a week, one muscle group a day with high volume.
I trained like this since the beginning, it's obviously not working ;D
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You claim you're doing this to get big, but how often do you plan to squat, deadlift, bench and shoulder press heavy?
the first training will be heavy basic lifts and the second time it will be more isolations exercise in giant sets with some basic lift but lighter
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the first training will be heavy basic lifts and the second time it will be more isolations exercise in giant sets with some basic lift but lighter
So you will do heavy deads mon morning and then back again wed night, I think this has disaster written all over it. By the time you hit your second back workout, if you train intensely mon morning you should not be fully recovered from the workout by wed night. Maybe if your whole split routine took 10 days instead of 7 this might be more effective.
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Back and legs on the same day? Nah mate - you wanna split that up for starters.
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I don't think it would hurt him to actually sweat a little during his workouts.
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You'll burn the fvck out :P.. I would throw in a low-moderate volume/moderate intensity phase in there as well, instead of alternating between HIT and Milos style only.
agreed i only train three days a week off season bro
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agreed i only train three days a week off season bro
maybe you dont want to get big?
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maybe you dont want to get big?
growing is about eating and rest .....every year all this kids ask my girlfriend what i "take"....yet they are out partying 3 nights aweek drinking and doing drugs i go out once every three months or so.....it's called sacrificei train three days a week for 3 weeks 4 days a week for 3 weeks then 5 days a week for 3 weeks.... until comp time then it's 6 days a week or 7 days a week
i "take " nothing special
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I trained like this since the beginning, it's obviously not working ;D
i call bullshit till i see some proof
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i doubt ull see any progress training with that much intensity.
either way i was wondering, do you work? probably not ::)
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i doubt ull see any progress training with that much intensity.
either way i was wondering, do you work? probably not ::)
actually yes I work about 70 hours a week
it's easy I'll get up at 6h, eat, train, go to work, train again, sleep :D
that's called: not having a life in the quest of winning the canadian nats in the teen class ;D
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actually yes I work about 70 hours a week
it's easy I'll get up at 6h, eat, train, go to work, train again, sleep :D
that's called: not having a life in the quest of winning the canadian nats in the teen class ;D
Damn I didn't know there was so much G4P action in Canada. Joe Weider must be in town?
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Damn I didn't know there was so much G4P action in Canada. Joe Weider must be in town?
I just pmed you my price ;)
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how much do you ask for thigh squeesing session stavios?
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ok It was easy shit all summer long, now it's time to put on some muscle 8)
what do you tiny tits think of split training ?
I am thinking training like this:
monday:
am-back
pm-legs
tuesday:
am-chest
pm-shoulders
wensday:
am-arms
pm-back
thursday:
am-legs
pm-chest
friday:
am-shoulders
pm-arms
the first time will be low volume / high intensity a la Mark Dugdale
the second time will be giant sets Milos style
speak on this mofos
I am starting this monday
Between the AM and the PM workout take a 1to 2 hr sleep, and for post workout use Micellar Casein , your Cortisol level will be very high after workout the 1hr sleep will help. Trust me on this.
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Between the AM and the PM workout take a 1to 2 hr sleep, and for post workout use Micellar Casein , your Cortisol level will be very high after workout the 1hr sleep will help. Trust me on this.
thanks for the tips Biceps !
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actually yes I work about 70 hours a week
it's easy I'll get up at 6h, eat, train, go to work, train again, sleep :D
that's called: not having a life in the quest of winning the canadian nats in the teen class ;D
how much do you sleep at night then? must be around 6 hours then
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wow...i've seen people (including myself) train bodyparts twice a week with some pretty good results
but i've never heard of anyone training almost every bodypart twice a week + training twice a day
looks brutal...I doubt you'll be able to do that for more then 4 weeks before it burns you out. But if you're on the right "stuff" i guess you could see some great results.
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where do you work stavios
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wow...i've seen people (including myself) train bodyparts twice a week with some pretty good results
but i've never heard of anyone training almost every bodypart twice a week + training twice a day
looks brutal...I doubt you'll be able to do that for more then 4 weeks before it burns you out. But if you're on the right "stuff" i guess you could see some great results.
You've never heard of Arnold Schwarzenegger?
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ok It was easy shit all summer long, now it's time to put on some muscle 8)
what do you tiny tits think of split training ?
speak on this mofos
I am starting this monday
You've obviously been training for a while and know your body but this isn't an ideal split man; it's not well balanced and you'll be hitting secondary groups while they're recuperating:
monday:
am-back
pm-legs
tuesday:
am-chest
pm-shoulders
wensday:
am-arms
pm-back
thursday:
am-legs
pm-chest --> Interrupting triceps recovery from previous day = no growth
friday:
am-shoulders --> Interrupting Delts recovery from previous day = no growth
pm-arms
I've done double split before and the best way to attack it is to split into "push/pull" and do the secondary group at PM:
monday:
AM - Back
PM - biceps
Tuesday:
AM - Delts
PM - Traps
Wednesday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Thursday: Off or
AM - Chest
PM - Triceps
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yeah but with your split Alex I would be able to only train each bodyparts 1 time a week
the reason I train 2 times a day is to hit every muscles 2 times a week
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yeah but with your split Alex I would be able to only train each bodyparts 1 time a week
the reason I train 2 times a day is to hit every muscles 2 times a week
How about this (used to do this one, 6 days on, 1 day off.). I wouldn't do it for more than 6 weeks straight however.
Monday:
AM - Back / traps / rear delts
PM - biceps
Tuesday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Wednesday:
AM - Chest / Front & side delts
PM - Triceps
Thursday:
AM - Back / traps / rear delts
PM - biceps
friday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Satruday:
AM - Chest / Front & side delts
PM - Triceps
Sunday: off.
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How about this (used to do this one, 6 days on, 1 day off.). I wouldn't do it for more than 6 weeks straight however.
Monday:
AM - Back / traps / rear delts
PM - biceps
Tuesday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Wednesday:
AM - Chest / Front & side delts
PM - Triceps
Thursday:
AM - Back / traps / rear delts
PM - biceps
friday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Satruday:
AM - Chest / Front & side delts
PM - Triceps
Sunday: off.
now that one is great !
thanks Alex :D
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now that one is great !
thanks Alex :D
Where do you train now?
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Where do you train now?
proform in Candiac
I may go to the progym a couple of times a week soon
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proform in Candiac
I may go to the progym a couple of times a week soon
Talk to "Michel Lemay" at the pro shop. He's a good friend of mine and can help you out. Especially if you already competed. 8)
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Great advice by Alex.................... ..you`d be dead in a week if you trained the way you originally wrote it! :)
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Great advice by Alex.................... ..you`d be dead in a week if you trained the way you originally wrote it! :)
That one allways worked for me. I Would hit the gym in the morning and do the second split in my home gym.
No cardio whatsoever. You can also do the leg training in one session. Hitting the gym 12 times in 7 days feels like being Bill Murray in "groundhog day"
Of course this one is also a reciepe for overtraining. Unless you supplement a lot of course.
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How about this (used to do this one, 6 days on, 1 day off.). I wouldn't do it for more than 6 weeks straight however.
Monday:
AM - Back / traps / rear delts
PM - biceps
Tuesday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Wednesday:
AM - Chest / Front & side delts
PM - Triceps
Thursday:
AM - Back / traps / rear delts
PM - biceps
friday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Satruday:
AM - Chest / Front & side delts
PM - Triceps
Sunday: off.
Ifi train legs on thuesday, and then i cant walk for 5 days straight, how do you expect me to train them again on friday? Its contra-productive. I never make any plans when and what to train, i know in my mind whats recovered the most so i train that.
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You definately would not need cardio.
I`ve done double split training years ago and got burnt out real fast.
Definately a Groundhog day scenario to be sure! :)
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Ifi train legs on thuesday, and then i cant walk for 5 days straight, how do you expect me to train them again on friday? Its contra-productive. I never make any plans when and what to train, i know in my mind whats recovered the most so i train that.
You obviously don't train as "much" if you hit a group twice a week; just "enough" to have recuperated and over compensated 4 days later; that the idea...
Your approach is good and I've done that for years. The problem is that it's very hard to gauge "when" you've actually recuperated and not to interfere with the recup of one group when hitting another one again (eg do chest or shoudlers after a tricep day etc.. )
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Ifi train legs on thuesday, and then i cant walk for 5 days straight, how do you expect me to train them again on friday? Its contra-productive. I never make any plans when and what to train, i know in my mind whats recovered the most so i train that.
Milos have his guy train legs 2 days in a row sometimes
when on "supplement",recuperation is superfast
I firmly believe that you have to train as much as you can to really maximise the effect of the stuff
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You'll burn the fvck out :P.. I would throw in a low-moderate volume/moderate intensity phase in there as well, instead of alternating between HIT and Milos style only.
stupid thread, even considering doing this routine (also do you have a job? or even if u dont have a job...what a waste of time, and how ineffective to spend so much time in the gym)
best would be low/moderate approach. when progress stops and/or u feel overtrained. do h.i.t one workout per week .
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I firmly believe that you have to train as much as you can to really maximise the effect of the stuff
As well, I firmly believe that you have to train as frequently as you can to really maximise the effect of the stuff. Hit differnt angles. I don't think it's smart to for example go heavy on squats twice a week but hitting legs from 2 different angles, definitely.
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the reason I train 2 times a day is to hit every muscles 2 times a week
what is the logic behind this?
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As well, I firmly believe that you have to train as frequently as you can to really maximise the effect of the stuff. Hit differnt angles. I don't think it's smart to for example go heavy on squats twice a week but hitting legs from 2 different angles, definitely.
great minds think alike 8)
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what is the logic behind this?
more training = more chance to grow
:)
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more training = more chance to grow
:)
Not true brother (even though how some pro's train volume and get huge always throws a spanner in the works).
U need recovery especially as natural and worse the genetics = more easily overtrained. (but im sure u eat fantastic which always helps).
One thing that can get annoying is the rare genetic freak where the rules dont apply, one friend i have has arnold style muscle belly and shape, trains 5 times per week, trains hard but knowledge is shit, and is fantastic physique....GO FIGURE.
alos his lifting form is shitty
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Not true brother (even though how some pro's train volume and get huge always throws a spanner in the works).
U need recovery especially as natural and worse the genetics = more easily overtrained. (but im sure u eat fantastic which always helps).
One thing that can get annoying is the rare genetic freak where the rules dont apply, one friend i have has arnold style muscle belly and shape, trains 5 times per week, trains hard but knowledge is shit, and is fantastic physique....GO FIGURE.
alos his lifting form is shitty
I am not natural since today
I would not train as much if I took nothing, I know I'd burn out
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Hitting each bodypart twice a week I did this........I got this from jumpstarts favourite. Stan McQuay.
Monday: Chest, shoulder, tris
Tuesday: Back Biceps rear delts
Wednesday: rest
Thursday: Quads, Hams, calves
Friday: Rest
Saturday: Chest, quads (light), tri's (light)
Sunday: Back, Hamstrings, biceps.
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Hitting each bodypart twice a week I did this........I got this from jumpstarts favourite. Stan McQuay.
Monday: Chest, shoulder, tris
Tuesday: Back Biceps rear delts
Wednesday: rest
Thursday: Quads, Hams, calves
Friday: Rest
Saturday: Chest, quads (light), tri's (light)
Sunday: Back, Hamstrings, biceps.
probably better off shifting the off day from friday to sunday
also better to shift chest to friday from saturday, otherwise it is too close to monday
that is my routine...except I do chest and bison the monday
tuesday back and tris
wed off
thursday legs
friday repeat monday
sat repeat tues
sunday off
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Back and legs on the same day? Nah mate - you wanna split that up for starters.
Yes. I don't think there is much if anything I would like about this program.
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probably better off shifting the off day from friday to sunday
also better to shift chest to friday from saturday, otherwise it is too close to monday
that is my routine...except I do chest and bison the monday
tuesday back and tris
wed off
thursday legs
friday repeat monday
sat repeat tues
sunday off
yea i agree.
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yea i agree.
I'm confused. ???
Dude, call me tomorow, I need to revamp my split as well.
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I am not natural since today
I would not train as much if I took nothing, I know I'd burn out
still do abit less volume....but 'harder' training.
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probably better off shifting the off day from friday to sunday
also better to shift chest to friday from saturday, otherwise it is too close to monday
i only agree with this part alex
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mate if your not on steroids and your doing the split workout your not going to get through the first week. if you "on" then mate do an arnold style workout and hit every body part 3 times a week
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How about this (used to do this one, 6 days on, 1 day off.). I wouldn't do it for more than 6 weeks straight however.
Monday:
AM - Back / traps / rear delts
PM - biceps
Tuesday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Wednesday:
AM - Chest / Front & side delts
PM - Triceps
Thursday:
AM - Back / traps / rear delts
PM - biceps
friday:
AM - Quads
PM - Hams / calves
Satruday:
AM - Chest / Front & side delts
PM - Triceps
Sunday: off.
Good luck doing heavy deadlifts followed by heavy squats the next day.....