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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Parker on August 27, 2007, 05:41:02 PM
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When I was watching God's Warriors a documentary on CNN, they were focusing on Fundamentalist Christians, "God's Christian Warriors", there was a guy who "fell out of faith", was reborn and went to Harvard Divinity School. He said that Homosexuality as a Sin is mentioned far less in the Bible than Greed, Stealing, Lying, and Killing. So he asked the rhetorical question, "Which is the worst sin"?
Do you know, and does he make sense?
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You have better things to worry about in life, than the nuances of ancient mythologies...
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When I was watching God's Warriors a documentary on CNN, they were focusing on Fundamentalist Christians, "God's Christian Warriors", there was a guy who "fell out of faith", was reborn and went to Harvard Divinity School. He said that Homosexuality as a Sin is mentioned far less in the Bible than Greed, Stealing, Lying, and Killing. So he asked the rhetorical question, "Which is the worst sin"?
Do you know, and does he make sense?
sin is sin, there is no weighted system of sin.
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I guess that basically means that if you take a pencil from work you'll burn in hell just the same as you would if you slaughter a bus full of kids with a machine gun.
Makes mountains of sense.
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I guess that basically means that if you take a pencil from work you'll burn in hell just the same as you would if you slaughter a bus full of kids with a machine gun.
Makes mountains of sense.
I agree. I don't think all sin is equal. The prevailing view taught by Christians is all sin is equal and you offend in one point, you offend all (which is what the Bible says). But in reality some sins do appear to be "worse" than others.
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I guess that basically means that if you take a pencil from work you'll burn in hell just the same as you would if you slaughter a bus full of kids with a machine gun.
Makes mountains of sense.
Dude, why do you say such things? If you don't believe what's in the 66 books of bible why do continue to converse about it?
Anyway back to your question/comment less the sarcastic remark, I think it is a very good question! I would say sin is sin but as far as the punishment for the sin only God knows the penalty. Burning in Hell or Thrown into a bottomless pit and or Lake of fire, IMO are all analogous to being totally separated from God. In our eyes stealing a pen from work is petty and slaughtering a bus full of kids with a machine gun is unforgiveable but to God its all sin, punishable by death i.e., (total separation from God).
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Dude, why do you say such things? If you don't believe what's in the 66 books of bible why do continue to converse about it?
How many times do i have to say the same thing?
Do i need to draw a picture for everyone and send them e-mails every hour?
How about i send everyone a 10 by 4 foot banner they hang by their computer?
I say it again:
I don't believe the Bible is the 100% Word of God, i do however believe some Word of God is in the Bible.
Anyway back to your question/comment less the sarcastic remark, I think it is a very good question! I would say sin is sin but as far as the punishment for the sin only God knows the penalty. Burning in Hell or Thrown into a bottomless pit and or Lake of fire, IMO are all analogous to being totally separated from God. In our eyes stealing a pen from work is petty and slaughtering a bus full of kids with a machine gun is unforgiveable but to God its all sin, punishable by death i.e., (total separation from God).
Is there scripture that backs that up or are you just forming an opinion outside of what the bible says?
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Homosexuality is most definitely not a sin.
I personally feel that there is NOTHING as spiritually uplifting as two hot chicks getting it on.
I totally support lesbians, by buying their videos.
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How many times do i have to say the same thing?
Do i need to draw a picture for everyone and send them e-mails every hour?
How about i send everyone a 10 by 4 foot banner they hang by their computer?
I say it again:
I don't believe the Bible is the 100% Word of God, i do however believe some Word of God is in the Bible.
Is there scripture that backs that up or are you just forming an opinion outside of what the bible says?
Which part do you want me to back up?
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Which part do you want me to back up?
This part:
I would say sin is sin but as far as the punishment for the sin only God knows the penalty. Burning in Hell or Thrown into a bottomless pit and or Lake of fire, IMO are all analogous to being totally separated from God. In our eyes stealing a pen from work is petty and slaughtering a bus full of kids with a machine gun is unforgiveable but to God its all sin, punishable by death i.e
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This part:
The Bible does say the wages of sin is death. I don't think that is talking about a specific act, but rather the end result of a lifetime of sin and separation from God (same thing).
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This part:
Ok you got that one good.
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This part:
Now as far as taking a pin from work or speeding I will give you Roman 13
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Homosexuality is most definitely not a sin.
I personally feel that there is NOTHING as spiritually uplifting as two hot chicks getting it on.
I totally support lesbians, by buying their videos.
All jokes aside, Homosexuality is SINwhether male or female its unnatural albeit pleasing to the eyes (of some) it's deviate behavior in God's eyes. I must say though that Homosexuality is no worse a sin than fornication or adultery.
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All jokes aside, Homosexuality is SINwhether male or female its unnatural albeit pleasing to the eyes (of some) it's deviate behavior in God's eyes. I must say though that Homosexuality is no worse a sin than fornication or adultery.
Or stealing a pencil from work right? Or maybe not fully stopping at a stop sign too?
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Or stealing a pencil from work right? Or maybe not fully stopping at a stop sign too?
Right, but do you think this is absurd?
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All jokes aside, Homosexuality is SINwhether male or female its unnatural albeit pleasing to the eyes (of some) it's deviate behavior in God's eyes. I must say though that Homosexuality is no worse a sin than fornication or adultery.
Luckily, my God, the True God, doesn't have all the psycho-sexual dysfunctions of that mythical character Yahweh.
He allows sex between consenting adults in private. Isn't that awesome?
O Great Lord, O Noodly One, we thank You for Your blessings, and for not inflicting any of those psychotic idiotic dysfunctions on us. Bless us with Your Noodly Appendage. RAMEN.
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Right, but do you think this is absurd?
Actually very absurd as a practical idea in the area of reality.
But brilliant in the area of creating a dogma or set of spiritual rules that require a church or a religion for even the most good and kind people. In other words, Christianity like many religions, but especially Christianity, has created a dogma through the bible that says no matter how much good you do you still cannot go to heaven unless you accept Christ and we are the ones who know all about that. ;D
Humans are born with the disposition to be manipulated by guilt from their imperfections. Religion does well to exploit this.
otherwise, what would ordinarily good people need with a church or religion?
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I guess that basically means that if you take a pencil from work you'll burn in hell just the same as you would if you slaughter a bus full of kids with a machine gun.
Makes mountains of sense.
you will have to show me the passage that puts different offenses in different cfategories...thou shal not steal, thou shall not kill....You are a fairly religious person. Show me where it differentiates between the levels
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Or stealing a pencil from work right? Or maybe not fully stopping at a stop sign too?
where does god say thou shalt follow all traffic laws? way to take an intelligent conversation and throw some jibberish into it.
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where does god say thou shalt follow all traffic laws? way to take an intelligent conversation and throw some jibberish into it.
I donno, that's why i was asking the question. Hence the "?" because i do believe there is something about not following the law as being a sin unless that law conflicts with "god's" law. but i could be wrong.
you will have to show me the passage that puts different offenses in different cfategories...thou shal not steal, thou shall not kill....You are a fairly religious person. Show me where it differentiates between the levels
If you read the entire post and some of the other threads it's been shown that a sin is a sin no matter what and that you'll go to hell for stealing a pencil just as much as you'll go to hell for killing someone.
I think that's stupid, but that's what's been shown here.
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I donno, that's why i was asking the question. Hence the "?" because i do believe there is something about not following the law as being a sin unless that law conflicts with "god's" law. but i could be wrong.
If you read the entire post and some of the other threads it's been shown that a sin is a sin no matter what and that you'll go to hell for stealing a pencil just as much as you'll go to hell for killing someone.
I think that's stupid, but that's what's been shown here.
sin isn't so much in the act as it is in the malice with which you committed the act (in my belief)..I do believe that no matter what the sin, if you truly repent and accept the lord whole heartedly, everyone can make it to heaven. But you can't pretend to believe. While you might get past us mortals and make us believe your heart is true to god, you can't fool him.
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sin isn't so much in the act as it is in the malice with which you committed the act (in my belief)..I do believe that no matter what the sin, if you truly repent and accept the lord whole heartedly, everyone can make it to heaven. But you can't pretend to believe. While you might get past us mortals and make us believe your heart is true to god, you can't fool him.
Interesting point I will have to ponder this a bit further "sin isn't so much in the act as it is in the malice with which you committed the act" I think you may have something here but I will search the scriptures deeper to see if this is the case and if it be true.
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From the "Question of the Week" from gotquestions.org........ ...this is one person's opinion from their interpretation of scriptures w/scriptures listed:
Question: "What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?"
Answer: The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When a person continues in sin and disbelief, the Bible tells us that God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.
God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.
However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).
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From the "Question of the Week" from gotquestions.org........ ...this is one person's opinion from their interpretation of scriptures w/scriptures listed:
Question: "What does the Bible say about homosexuality? Is homosexuality a sin?"
Answer: The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When a person continues in sin and disbelief, the Bible tells us that God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.
God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that a person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.
However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).
Great post, 'Ro!!!!
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Great post, 'Ro!!!!
Ro, I'll send you that website..they send your email a "Question of the Week." Some good questions w/answers already listed on there.
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Ro, I'll send you that website..they send your email a "Question of the Week." Some good questions w/answers already listed on there.
cool! :) that would be a great tool for sunday school.
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Dude, why do you say such things? If you don't believe what's in the 66 books of bible why do continue to converse about it?
Anyway back to your question/comment less the sarcastic remark, I think it is a very good question! I would say sin is sin but as far as the punishment for the sin only God knows the penalty. Burning in Hell or Thrown into a bottomless pit and or Lake of fire, IMO are all analogous to being totally separated from God. In our eyes stealing a pen from work is petty and slaughtering a bus full of kids with a machine gun is unforgiveable but to God its all sin, punishable by death i.e., (total separation from God).
There is only one sin that won't be forgiven by God.
And that is to not accept Jesus as your savior, and God as your only God. All other sins will be forgiven. Pedophilia, Genocide, Mass Murdering, Torture, et al.
As long as you accept Jesus as your savior befor dying, you're good.
So if Hitler truly believed in Jesus and God, he will of course be in heaven. The same goes for all pedophiles and all other terrible criminals.
Whether or not they are going to heaven isn't decided from how they lived their lives here on earth.
You could be the gentlest person in the world, never harmed another person, only been good to your neighbor, but if you don't accept Jesus and God, you will go to hell.
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There is only one sin that won't be forgiven by God.
And that is to not accept Jesus as your savior, and God as your only God. All other sins will be forgiven. Pedophilia, Genocide, Mass Murdering, Torture, et al.
As long as you accept Jesus as your savior befor dying, you're good.
So if Hitler truly believed in Jesus and God, he will of course be in heaven. The same goes for all pedophiles and all other terrible criminals.
Whether or not they are going to heaven isn't decided from how they lived their lives here on earth.
You could be the gentlest person in the world, never harmed another person, only been good to your neighbor, but if you don't accept Jesus and God, you will go to hell.
it's true that you need christ to get to heaven, but the unforgivable sin is "grieving the holy spirit" . . . whatever that means.
so, you could accept christ, but then if you "grieved the holy spirit," you wouldn't make it.
and i've heard all kinds of explanations for what grieving the holy spirit means, but none of them are persuasive.
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it's true that you need christ to get to heaven, but the unforgivable sin is "grieving the holy spirit" . . . whatever that means.
so, you could accept christ, but then if you "grieved the holy spirit," you wouldn't make it.
and i've heard all kinds of explanations for what grieving the holy spirit means, but none of them are persuasive.
I think, more specifically, it's "blasphemy" against the Holy Spirit. There is a verse that talks about grieving the Holy Spirit. Same thing?
I've heard different theories, but I'll share mine. I believe the Holy Spirit is your conscience. Tells you right from wrong. People who blaspheme against or "grieve" the Holy Spirit are shutting it out; not listening to their conscience. Some people can shut out the Holy Spirit so often and so long that they can no longer hear it. If you cannot hear your conscience, you have trouble knowing right from wrong. I think that is what happens to people like serial killers. They no longer hear that voice telling them their actions are wrong. And if they don't hear that conviction, they don't repent.
So . . . I think this unforgivable sin is a process that involves the willful, gradual inability to determine right from wrong.
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Homosexuality is a sin? hahahaha oh brother
tell that to King David and his lover Jonathan...
Even though David was anointed by God, it didn't stop him from saying that Jonathan's love was dearer to him than the love of women.. I am sure those two "anointed" each other on a regular basis...
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I think, more specifically, it's "blasphemy" against the Holy Spirit. There is a verse that talks about grieving the Holy Spirit. Same thing?
I've heard different theories, but I'll share mine. I believe the Holy Spirit is your conscience. Tells you right from wrong. People who blaspheme against or "grieve" the Holy Spirit are shutting it out; not listening to their conscience. Some people can shut out the Holy Spirit so often and so long that they can no longer hear it. If you cannot hear your conscience, you have trouble knowing right from wrong. I think that is what happens to people like serial killers. They no longer hear that voice telling them their actions are wrong. And if they don't hear that conviction, they don't repent.
So . . . I think this unforgivable sin is a process that involves the willful, gradual inability to determine right from wrong.
yeah, we're thinking of the same verse(s).
I wouldn't equate the Holy Spirit w conscience. The Holy Spirit is part of God . . . the conscience is a human thing. I think the biblical equivalent would be "heart." Consciences and hearts can be hardened.
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yeah, we're thinking of the same verse(s).
I wouldn't equate the Holy Spirit w conscience. The Holy Spirit is part of God . . . the conscience is a human thing. I think the biblical equivalent would be "heart." Consciences and hearts can be hardened.
I believe in the trinity and all (Holy Spirit as God, etc.). I just don't see a distinction between that voice we all have and the Holy Spirit. Just my belief. I don’t think you’ll find it in anyone’s church handbook. :)
Hardening just means rejecting. Another way of saying someone refuses to listen. At some point, they can no longer hear.