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The Mechanisms of Carbohydrate Metabolism
The carbohydrate is ingested, enters into the stomach, and then into the small intestine, where almost all digestion occurs. The principle enzymes that break down all carbohydrates in the small intestine are amylases. These enzymes then break down carbohydrates into simple sugars like galactose, fructose, glucose and smaller chains of glucose molecules (glucose polymers).
These simple sugars are then absorbed through the lining of the small intestine and transported to the liver through the portal vein where the liver then converts all these simple sugars into the common sugar glucose. Glucose is the only usable form of simple sugar in the body.
The liver, being the most active organ in the body, performing some 64 vital functions, then releases this new glucose into the bloodstream to raise blood sugar levels to where they are supposed to be. If the supply of this newly ingested glucose is to high, the blood sugar level gets too high,and the excess glucose must be eliminated from the bloodstream.
More on this tomorrow.
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You probably should have PMed him.
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some good info there
too bad Tamali can't read
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umm..... what was your point again?
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thats 'odd'
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thats 'odd'
the awkward hand-holding?
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Part 2 Mechanism of Carbohydrate
Kamali and all the pro bb with big stomach pay attention, this info will help you to andestand why your mid sactin is so big.
The Pancreas houses the hormone Insulin. When the blood sugar reaches increasing levels, insulin is released to transport and/or make available the excess glucose to body tissues. The muscle tissue is then the first stop for insulin-carried glucose, especially after exercise when muscle energy stores are low. Insulin actually opens up receptor sites on muscles allowing for the uptake of glucose to replenish depleted muscle energy stores. Once glucose is absorbed into the cell it is used for energy. The unused portion of this new glucose is then converted and stored in the muscle as glycogen. Finally,glycogen is saved in the muscle cells and used for more intense exercise. It is important to note that glucose can only be taken up by muscle tissue at gradual rate. If excess insulin-carried glucose is available at one time in the bloodstream, insulin`s next stop for the storage of this abundant glucose is the liver. Not unlike muscles, the liver can only take up glucose at a gradual rate. The liver has the potential to store between 300 and 400 calories of glycogen. The liver glycogen, in contrast to muscle glycogen,is primarily used for brain function as well as for aerobic activities. When the liver stores are full,and a considerable amount of excess insulin-carried glucose is in the bloodstream, it will be stored as fat in adipose tissue. Unlike liver, fat cells store blood glucose quite rapidly. (BIG STOMECH BB) Note:if the carbohydrates ingested are already simple sugars,or are low in dietary fiber, they will be taken up into the blood rapidly. The pancreas reacts quickly resulting in an over-release of insulin. Since the muscle tissues and liver take up blood-glucose very slowly, the surplus of insulin-carried blood glucose will bypass the tow, and be reapidly stored in fat cells. NOW THAT EXPLANE THE BIG STAMECH. Also, since the hormone insulin over-reacts in this situation,and it`s function is to eliminate sugar from the blood, within 20 to 30 minutes, the blood sugar falls below resting levels (hypoglycemia). This reduces the glucose supply to the central nervous system having a noticeable effect on higher brain function, making you feel sluggish,tired, and run down.
Part 3 coming soon.
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I thought Howie was going to get in shape?
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I thought Howie was going to get in shape?
After I finish with the mechanism of carbohydrate I will post info on the mechanism of protein metabolism, then adrenal cortex activity, cortisol and more.
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Part 2 Mechanism of Carbohydrate
Kamali and all the pro bb with big stomach pay attention, this info will help you to andestand why your mid sactin is so big.
The Pancreas houses the hormone Insulin. When the blood sugar reaches increasing levels, insulin is released to transport and/or make available the excess glucose to body tissues. The muscle tissue is then the first stop for insulin-carried glucose, especially after exercise when muscle energy stores are low. Insulin actually opens up receptor sites on muscles allowing for the uptake of glucose to replenish depleted muscle energy stores. Once glucose is absorbed into the cell it is used for energy. The unused portion of this new glucose is then converted and stored in the muscle as glycogen. Finally,glycogen is saved in the muscle cells and used for more intense exercise. It is important to note that glucose can only be taken up by muscle tissue at gradual rate. If excess insulin-carried glucose is available at one time in the bloodstream, insulin`s next stop for the storage of this abundant glucose is the liver. Not unlike muscles, the liver can only take up glucose at a gradual rate. The liver has the potential to store between 300 and 400 calories of glycogen. The liver glycogen, in contrast to muscle glycogen,is primarily used for brain function as well as for aerobic activities. When the liver stores are full,and a considerable amount of excess insulin-carried glucose is in the bloodstream, it will be stored as fat in adipose tissue. Unlike liver, fat cells store blood glucose quite rapidly. (BIG STOMECH BB) Note:if the carbohydrates ingested are already simple sugars,or are low in dietary fiber, they will be taken up into the blood rapidly. The pancreas reacts quickly resulting in an over-release of insulin. Since the muscle tissues and liver take up blood-glucose very slowly, the surplus of insulin-carried blood glucose will bypass the tow, and be reapidly stored in fat cells. NOW THAT EXPLANE THE BIG STAMECH. Also, since the hormone insulin over-reacts in this situation,and it`s function is to eliminate sugar from the blood, within 20 to 30 minutes, the blood sugar falls below resting levels (hypoglycemia). This reduces the glucose supply to the central nervous system having a noticeable effect on higher brain function, making you feel sluggish,tired, and run down.
Part 3 coming soon.
Part 4
The liver is then responsible for correcting this low bloodsugar problem with the help of another hormone called Glucagon. Glucagon is released from the pancreas, in respond to low blood sugar levels. The glucagon then triggers the liver to release stored glycogen as glucose to replenish bloodsugar levels. This intermittent release of stored glycogen from the liver to regulate bloodsugar primarily for brain function is known as glycogenolysis. If glucagon reaches the liver and or some reason,such as extreme dieting or over-exertion,the liver cannot provide glucose for the blood,a sequence of events occur resulting in the eventual brakedown for blood proteins,and the undesirable cannibalism of organ and muscle tissue for the needed glucose energy.
So taking Insulin injections is not necessarily makes you fat, it is the excess of carbohydrates, when and how to take Insulin is important. My self I don`t recommend the use of Insulin.
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Remove carbs! Shocking news!
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I thought Howie was going to get in shape?
He talks about it, tries to get us riled about it, and then....doesn't post again until he starts the cycle again. :-\
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good stuff biceps, keep it coming.
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Let's make a thread with some advices that he can use to improve his physique.
1. Inject synthol at the peak of the Bicep, not at the elbow insertion.
2. If the day of the show is the 11th, schedule your prep as if it were on the 12th.
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Retire from bbing. It's the best thing you can do. face it Shariat, you're not getting any younger, you've got a kid on the way, and your current "career" is getting on stage pumped up, oiled up, semi nude, for a crowd of men.
It's time to look for some real work. A real career. Toilet scrubber, road kill picker-upper, burger flipper, bus boy, anything.
Here, let me help you out:
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This thread is for "advices"
Telling him to quit doesn't count as advice, and quit being such a miserable hater.
Retire from bbing. It's the best thing you can do. face it Shariat, you're not getting any younger, you've got a kid on the way, and your current "career" is getting on stage pumped up, oiled up, semi nude, for a crowd of men.
It's time to look for some real work. A real career. Toilet scrubber, road kill picker-upper, burger flipper, bus boy, anything.
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He should retire and join the professional eating circuit. It's the only skill he has.
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Again, this is not advice.
He should retire and join the professional eating circuit. It's the only skill he has.
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He should petition the IFBB to hold the contests in his kitchen. He always looks better there than on the stage.
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Ok, excellent... Keep it up.
He should petition the IFBB to hold the contests in his kitchen. He always looks better there than on the stage.
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good stuff biceps, keep it coming.
Bodybuilding is the most complex physical activity(sport), just lifting weight for general conditioning is not as complicated. Now if you planing to be a bb-er to compet to make a living,you need to think like a nutritionist, biochemist and pharmacist, you need to do your own research and find out what is the best for your genetics. That can take lots of time out of you free time,that way same bb willing to pay for a guru. BB it is not all about drugs, especially in the beginning, you can take all the drugs and with out of a good nutrition program and smart training routine you will go not to far.
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Bodybuilding is the most complex physical activity(sport), just lifting weight for general conditioning is not as complicated. Now if you planing to be a bb-er to compet to make a living,you need to think like a nutritionist, biochemist and pharmacist, you need to do your own research and find out what is the best for your genetics. That can take lots of time out of you free time,that way same bb willing to pay for a guru. BB it is not all about drugs, especially in the beginning, you can take all the drugs and with out of a good nutrition program and smart training routine you will go not to far.
I agree with some of what you say, but most of the mistakes that are made are the last minute magical manipulations that guys make that they "think" will make a huge difference but in reality make them look worse. It's more commom sense than rocket science.
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Biceps- finally someone in here who posts useful, intelligent info..
there are very few here that will appreciate let alone understand what you write....
and probably a bunch of people will come in on this thead and start attacking you in some way.
but please stay here....this is god stuff and i figure that you could put a bunch of fools in place on other subjects also.
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I agree with some of what you say, but most of the mistakes that are made are the last minute magical manipulations that guys make that they "think" will make a huge difference but in reality make them look worse. It's more commom sense than rocket science.
I totally agree, the last minute carb manipulation is when all the hard work for the last 12 to 14 weeks before a show is vested. (Note: DJ)
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NOTHING in those posts explains the "big gut syndrome". Overconsumption of carbs make you fat - DUH! So does the overconsumption of ANY macronutrient.
I'm not saying insulin doesn't cause it but the explanation of the mechanism that causes otherwise lean individuals to have big bellies wasn't here.
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When the liver stores are full,and a considerable amount of excess insulin-carried glucose is in the bloodstream, it will be stored as fat in adipose tissue. Unlike liver, fat cells store blood glucose quite rapidly. (BIG STOMECH BB) N
Conversion of carbs to bodyfat doesn't happen readily in humans. Carbs aren't easily stored as bodyfat. The term used for conversion of carbs to bodyfat is called de novo lipogenesis. It only occurs under very special circumstances.
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He should shave even more of his unibrow off, go for the retard sympathy vote. :'(
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Conversion of carbs to bodyfat doesn't happen readily in humans. Carbs aren't easily stored as bodyfat. The term used for conversion of carbs to bodyfat is called de novo lipogenesis. It only occurs under very special circumstances.
Corect it dont hapens over night it happen over of period of time. I am talking about same body taking 15 IU Insulin post workout and takes 15o g simple sugar that is 600 calories all simple sugar, Note: if the carbohydrates ingested are ready simple sugars will be taken up into the blood rapidly,that will make the blood sugar too high. Glucose can only be taken up by muscle tissue and the liver at a gradual rate so the surplus of glucose will bypass the two, and be rapidly stored in fat cells.
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NOTHING in those posts explains the "big gut syndrome". Overconsumption of carbs make you fat - DUH! So does the overconsumption of ANY macronutrient.
I'm not saying insulin doesn't cause it but the explanation of the mechanism that causes otherwise lean individuals to have big bellies wasn't here.
Is possible that is more than one factor, (this is only my opinion from the time I was experimenting with Insulin), over eating carbs, proteins, my Insulin level was higher then normal at resting time so I had to take in more carbs, Cortisol level higher then normal, stress increase cortisol level (any cain of stress) can over eating cause stress on your body?I say yes, Continuously high Cortisol levels can cause Cushing`s syndromes. Than I had to add extra 6 weeks to my normally 14 week pre contest preparation to reduse the internally fat around my stomach. It is very hard to use existing medical and scientific sources for bb because is to much chemicals involved. By western scientist too much protein intake may cause liver or kidney disorder. However a study conducted in Romania showed that high protein diets for strenght trained (weight lifters) individuals appear to relatively safe.
I am not a scientist, I read medical books for my own knowledge, I am just shering with the Getbigers on what I read.
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NOTHING in those posts explains the "big gut syndrome". Overconsumption of carbs make you fat - DUH! So does the overconsumption of ANY macronutrient.
I'm not saying insulin doesn't cause it but the explanation of the mechanism that causes otherwise lean individuals to have big bellies wasn't here.
It makes no sense that a person can have almost zero subcutaneous fat while simultaneously having shitloads of visceral fat... the body doesn't work that way. Organ enlargement has to be part or most of it. If someone can explain otherwise, please feel free.
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Tomorrow I will start posting The Mechanism of Protein Metabolism
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It makes no sense that a person can have almost zero subcutaneous fat while simultaneously having shitloads of visceral fat... the body doesn't work that way. Organ enlargement has to be part or most of it. If someone can explain otherwise, please feel free.
Yes, that's true. Though some, like Disgusted, feel the insulin makes you hold visceral fat even when very lean. It's a theory; we'd need some type of scans to see if that's really the case.
If it's visceral fat it seems to me it should be totally reversible really, unless some extreme pathology like diabetes or whatever had already developed.
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Yes, that's true. Though some, like Disgusted, feel the insulin makes you hold visceral fat even when very lean. It's a theory; we'd need some type of scans to see if that's really the case.
Insulin is a storage hormone, but it doesn't lead to visceral fat buildup in the absence of subcutaneous fat in normal people, why would it in bodybuilders? Not only that, but in a hypocaloric state fat buildup or retention, visceral or otherwise, shouldn't be possible.
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Is possible that is more than one factor, (this is only my opinion from the time I was experimenting with Insulin), over eating carbs, proteins, my Insulin level was higher then normal at resting time so I had to take in more carbs,
That's the problem with blaming insulin. Of course you are going to put on bodyfat if you eat over maintenance and over what is needed for muscle growth.
But lets say you do only post workout shots and only eat enough carbs to cover the insulin, the rest of the time you keep carbs/calories low. You could do this on a contest diet even while keeping total calories below maintenance. Will the insulin still make you store visceral fat in this situation?
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It makes no sense that a person can have almost zero subcutaneous fat while simultaneously having shitloads of visceral fat... the body doesn't work that way. Organ enlargement has to be part or most of it. If someone can explain otherwise, please feel free.
It is a combination of fat and organ enlargement to much HGH, Insulin and calories, it happened to me and I stop mediately. It hapens only to the once that they think more is better. This is only my opinion.
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Insulin is a storage hormone, but it doesn't lead to visceral fat buildup in the absence of subcutaneous fat in normal people, why would it in bodybuilders? Not only that, but in a hypocaloric state fat buildup or retention, visceral or otherwise, shouldn't be possible.
I agree totally.
Though let's say you are extremely insulin resistant due to high dosages of hGH for example. Could it be possible to get that type of fat distribution (low subq and high visceral)?
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That's the problem with blaming insulin. Of course you are going to put on bodyfat if you eat over maintenance and over what is needed for muscle growth.
But lets say you do only post workout shots and only eat enough carbs to cover the insulin, the rest of the time you keep carbs/calories low. You could do this on a contest diet even while keeping total calories below maintenance. Will the insulin still make you store visceral fat in this situation?
No will not store visceral fat. If I would try Insulin againt I would do totally different, First I would not take HGH and I would use Insulin only twice per week. This is not a recommendation.
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One thing for sure the bigstomach started before the Insulin use, it started with the high doze use of HGH, it just start to get bigger with the added Insulin.
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One thing for sure the bigstomach started before the Insulin use, it started with the high doze use of HGH, it just start to get bigger with the added Insulin.
An interesting question would be are there any pros who have used AAS and insulin, but not GH?
That would still not answer the question of what the guts are made of, since GH has been implicated in both organ growth and insulin resistance, but it would clearly identify the causative agent.
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An interesting question would be are there any pros who have used AAS and insulin, but not GH?
That would still not answer the question of what the guts are made of, since GH has been implicated in both organ growth and insulin resistance, but it would clearly identify the causative agent.
I hope this information will put as closer to find out the mystery of big stomach.
EDEMA
List of symptoms:
Water retention
Generalized edema
Puffiness
ABDOMINAL BLOATING
Swelling
Causes of Edema: Drug, Medication or Substance abuses the list has 502 listing, Anabolic Steroids, Chorionic Gonadotrophin Human, Humatrope (HGH), all the Humalogs and Humalin
are on the list. We talking about abuse not use.
DIABETES MELLITUS
In type 2 DM if found a combination of resistance to Insulin action and an inadequate secretory response. The question is forsing artificially insulin in the human body can induses type 2 DM?
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I thought Howie was going to get in shape?
round is a shape
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I hope this information will put as closer to find out the mystery of big stomach.
EDEMA
List of symptoms:
Water retention
Generalized edema
Puffiness
ABDOMINAL BLOATING
Swelling
Causes of Edema: Drug, Medication or Substance abuses the list has 502 listing, Anabolic Steroids, Chorionic Gonadotrophin Human, Humatrope (HGH), all the Humalogs and Humalin
are on the list. We talking about abuse not use.
DIABETES MELLITUS
In type 2 DM if found a combination of resistance to Insulin action and an inadequate secretory response. The question is forsing artificially insulin in the human body can induses type 2 DM?
Edema (or oedema as we spell it in the UK) is characterised by fluid retention. It can occur subcutaneously or indeed in viscera. However its distribution will be generally dictated by gravity. Thus it is extrememly unlikely that you could have abdominal oedema when standing without also having oedama extending upwards form the foot. As a medical practitioner of many years, I certainly have never seen it.
Indeed the clinical picture of oedema is not what one sees on a bodybuilder in contest condition. My own thoughts are a combination of the HGH and to some extent the insulin.
Just my 2 pennies.
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Edema (or oedema as we spell it in the UK) is characterised by fluid retention. It can occur subcutaneously or indeed in viscera. However its distribution will be generally dictated by gravity. Thus it is extrememly unlikely that you could have abdominal oedema when standing without also having oedama extending upwards form the foot. As a medical practitioner of many years, I certainly have never seen it.
Indeed the clinical picture of oedema is not what one sees on a bodybuilder in contest condition. My own thoughts are a combination of the HGH and to some extent the insulin.
Just my 2 pennies.
Being a medical practitioner my question is, do you think is possible to create temporally a type 2 DM with to much of insulin use?
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Being a medical practitioner my question is, do you think is possible to create temporally a type 2 DM with to much of insulin use?
Don't forget the GH when talking about severe insulin resistance. Then add in the thermogenics and steroids which can also contribute to IR. My guess is that high dose GH causes more IR than say a once daily, post workout, insulin shot.
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I agree with some of what you say, but most of the mistakes that are made are the last minute magical manipulations that guys make that they "think" will make a huge difference but in reality make them look worse. It's more commom sense than rocket science.
Disgusted, I see what you're saying, the bloating sometimes comes from the carb loading and the other last minute tricks. However bloating is only one aspect of expanding waistlines of bodybuilders. They actually grow very thick obliques (Palumbo, King, Ronnie and others). Is GH the reason for that? Or the heavy powerlifting movements?
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Retire from bbing. It's the best thing you can do. face it Shariat, you're not getting any younger, you've got a kid on the way, and your current "career" is getting on stage pumped up, oiled up, semi nude, for a crowd of men.
It's time to look for some real work. A real career. Toilet scrubber, road kill picker-upper, burger flipper, bus boy, anything.
Here, let me help you out:
LMFAO, "pop lock and drop it" looks like that will know be Derek A theme song
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Disgusted, I see what you're saying, the bloating sometimes comes from the carb loading and the other last minute tricks. However bloating is only one aspect of expanding waistlines of bodybuilders. They actually grow very thick obliques (Palumbo, King, Ronnie and others). Is GH the reason for that? Or the heavy powerlifting movements?
The word bloat means a lot of different things, but like I said many times before insulin is the main reason for guts.
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Retire from bbing. It's the best thing you can do. face it Shariat, you're not getting any younger, you've got a kid on the way, and your current "career" is getting on stage pumped up, oiled up, semi nude, for a crowd of men.
It's time to look for some real work. A real career. Toilet scrubber, road kill picker-upper, burger flipper, bus boy, anything.
Here, let me help you out:
lol, why so personal dude.. live and let live :-\
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This is just a general remarks for those trying to get of the juice.
In the human male, testosterone is synthesize from cholesterol and is the major circulating androgen. More than 95% is secreted by the testis, which produces approximately 6-7 mg per day (Coffey 1988). The metabolic steps required for the conversion of cholesterol into androgen into androgens take place in approximately 500 million Leydig cells which constitute only a few percent of the total testicular volume. Testosterone is also produced in the andrenal cortex and small amounts are produced in the brain cells (Baulieu 1997).
So is possible to repare the damage caused by abuse performenc enhancing products. First step to bring back you cholesterol racial, 2 nd step you need a food supplement will support the intra-mitochondrail cholesterol trafficking.
It has been known for long time that labile regulatory proteins are involved in regulating the hormone dependent intra-mitochondrial cholesterol trafficking.
Recently, it has been shown that the steroidogenesis activator protein (STAR) fulfils the criteria for this labile protein. Since STAR is continuously processed and ultimately inactivated inside the mitochondrion during this insertion process, continuous synthesis and probably also hormone-dependent phosphorylation of STAR are required to maintain hormone activated steroid production. Other mitochondrial proteins such as ligands for the mitochondrial benzodiazepin receptor could also facilitate formation of contact sites and intra-mitochondrial transfer of cholesterol (Papadopoulos 1993). However, STAR is very likely the long sought protein that is involved in the rapid regulation of steroid production.
Note: Creatine and Whey proteinis not the product in this case.
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No is not MuchleTech product
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The action of androgens in target cells depends on:
The amount of steroid which can penetrate into the cells,
The extent of metabolic conversation within the cells,
The interactions with receptor proteins and finally,upon the action of androgen receptors.
For a detailed discussion of the production, metabolism, transport and action of androgens, see the book The Leydig Cell edited by A.H.Payne, M.P. Hardy and L.D. Russell (1966).
This is one way to learn how to sty healthy when you are on the juice, you need to educate your self , BEFOR IS TO LATE.
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Professional altlets need education on performance enhancers drogs not drug test.
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theres alot of people bashing King .... try to keep in mind he's an ifbb pro and he didnt get to that point without hard work. Theres alot of armchair bodybuilders on this forum who seem to forget he earned his pro status fair and square. If your not pro then stop talking about pro's as if you have room to comment. Until youve been on stage with the best like kamali has then you have absoloutly no room to criticize him in any way...Half the people running their months about him are mostly like ameature bodybuilders who seem to think they can do better..my question is if you are so much better than king..why arnt you pro?
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theres alot millions of people bashing King .... try to keep in mind he's an ifbb pro and he didnt get to that point without hard work tons of drugs. Theres alot of armchair bodybuilders on this forum who seem to forget he earned his pro status fair and square no, we just don't care. If your not pro then stop talking about pro's as if you have room to comment. Until youve been on stage with the best like kamali has then you have absoloutly no room to criticize him in any way...Half the people running their months about him are mostly like ameature you may be getbig.com's dumbest poster bodybuilders who seem to think they can do better..my question is if you are so much better than king..why arnt you pro?
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Ok here is something to think about levrone, shawn ray, cutler, coleman all had no guts prior to 01-02 cutler really was good till end of 03, slin for bb use is best when only used post workout and thats it 5-10iu max! it will take longer to put on the size but the size will be straight to the muscle vs other places as well.
Now I think like any new drug people start off being very careful and taking small amounts and as time goes on people up the amounts and times taken and I think thats what the problem is.
When pros started with GH + slin it was 2-4ius of GH and 5-10iu's of slin post workout only now its more like 10-15iu's GH a day and 10-15iu's of slin 3x a day.
In addition most do GH SLIN and IGF I think IGF needs to be treated more like slin VS GH it def has something to do with the guts, its all those things together that created the big waists.
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Conversion of carbs to bodyfat doesn't happen readily in humans. Carbs aren't easily stored as bodyfat. It only occurs under very special circumstances.
That explains why the Adkins diet is soooo ineffective. ::)
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That explains why the Adkins diet is soooo ineffective. ::)
Atkins is "effective" because the dietary choices used make you automatically eat less calories overall. It's not because it reduces insulin per se, or any other magical metabolism shift.
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That's special ed.
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Conversion of carbs to bodyfat doesn't happen readily in humans. Carbs aren't easily stored as bodyfat. The term used for conversion of carbs to bodyfat is called de novo lipogenesis. It only occurs under very special circumstances.
You are correct!!! Fats are and protien are responsible for fat gains. The big guts are due to GH usage.
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Bodybuilding Advice for Kamali
"Retire now, before you make an even bigger fool of yourself." ;D
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Atkins is "effective" because the dietary choices used make you automatically eat less calories overall. It's not because it reduces insulin per se, or any other magical metabolism shift.
American diets keep both liver and muscle glycogen levels high. The excess carbs are then turned into fat.
Hope this helps.
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Sheri....who ever you're blowing....aint working