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brutal 12 inch pytons.
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gay haha
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brutal 12 inch pytons.
you wound me
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looks like a fitness competitor routine ...
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That is extremely hard, and very, very impressive.
May look ghey and all, but try it out if you doubt me. The handstand pushups are hard enough, but the full parallel extension pushups are beyond impressive. The amount of ab, back and shoulder strength required to do those is obscene.....It is not so much the 'push' aspect, but the suspension of the body is murderous.
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brutal 12 inch pytons.
Funny thing is, he's literally stronger than anyone on this board!!
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Funny thing is, he's literally stronger than anyone on this board!!
I am waiting for us to get flamed for this by some unknowledgable person, but that is probably correct.....
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I am waiting for us to get flamed for this by some unknowledgable person, but that is probably correct.....
yeah it's Jordan Jovtchev possibly the world's best rings specialist. This is his warm-up, his strength on the iron cross skills is even crazier.
the dude is an absolute master.
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I actually met a dude at my college gym several years ago that was a gymnast. Nice guy, trained hard and could do all those gymnasticky movements. We trained with weights together on 2 occassions (neither time was planned....we just happened to be training the same bodyparts with similar movements so we worked together for the most part). Now, I couldn't do one handstand pushup to save my life, but that guy could do em all day long. On the flipside, his max lifts with weights were some of my warm-up sets. I don't have a point and I take nothin from the guy's athleticism, but I didn't find his strength in terms of lifting weights anything but average despite his gymnastics background. Oh yeah, his build was very similar to the guy in the youtube clip (if not better).
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Funny thing is, he's literally stronger than anyone on this board!!
You think he is stronger than anyone here on the big three? You didn't say pound for pound, so I am assuming he can outbench Wolfy ???
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Impressive. At least national-level competitor, and maybe international: they make it look (too) easy. I was just a hacker compared to guys like this. :-\
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Moves like the parallel pushups, the real strength is demanded from the abs and lower back, the actual demands on the delts/tri/chest etc are not as high comparitively as to the "core". The strain is there on the shoulder area yes, as you are suspending your entire weight, but it is not *that* bad..............it's your freakin abs/lower back having to suspend your whole body that is insanely difficult.
When I first started training the planche type movements my midsection used to be shattered after. Laughing was agony.
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It's a very specific type of functional strength.
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Moves like the parallel pushups, the real strength is demanded from the abs and lower back, the actual demands on the delts/tri/chest etc are not as high comparitively as to the "core". The strain is there on the shoulder area yes, as you are suspending your entire weight, but it is not *that* bad..............it's your freakin abs/lower back having to suspend your whole body that is insanely difficult.
When I first started training the planche type movements my midsection used to be shattered after. Laughing was agony.
This is a great explanation and makes sense. The gymnast I trained with had an excellent core and could flip and suspend himself all day long, but when we hit the heavy iron I owned him....wasn't tryin to, just the way it was.
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This is a great explanation and makes sense. The gymnast I trained with had an excellent core and could flip and suspend himself all day long, but when we hit the heavy iron I owned him....wasn't tryin to, just the way it was.
this isn't really true...straight arm strength movements demand tremendous shoulder strength. Not all gymnasts, even high level ones have the power to excel at the strength centric apparatuses like the rings.
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This is a great explanation and makes sense. The gymnast I trained with had an excellent core and could flip and suspend himself all day long, but when we hit the heavy iron I owned him....wasn't tryin to, just the way it was.
Thanks, and same with me really. I myself can't exactly lift any huge impressive numbers, I sometimes train with a friend pro bb girl, who brutally owns me in the gym, but she can't do any of the fitness type moves I can. Like MasterBlaster said, it is a specific functional type of strength.
this isn't really true...straight arm strength movements demand tremendous shoulder strength. Not all gymnasts, even high level ones have the power to excel at the strength centric apparatuses like the rings.
Straight arm yes, not like I can do it lol, but I can only begin to imagine the demands on the delts. The 'pushup' type moves, or parallel holds I personally find it is very much core. No empirical evidence to this, just what I find from doing them. Thanks for the link btw, nice vid.
Somewhat ontopic, has anyone ever used the rings for chins? My brother is into that now and raves about it, and I was thinking of slapping some in my gym. Opinions?
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This is a great explanation and makes sense. The gymnast I trained with had an excellent core and could flip and suspend himself all day long, but when we hit the heavy iron I owned him....wasn't tryin to, just the way it was.
these guys are all probably a lot weaker than MOS
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Somewhat ontopic, has anyone ever used the rings for chins? My brother is into that now and raves about it, and I was thinking of slapping some in my gym. Opinions?
rings are great for strength training. allows you to move in multiple planes, so when you do pullups you can spread the rings as you pull up. the iron cross skills are great for bringing up shoulders and lats.
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It's a very specific type of functional strength.
And the key word is "functional" and thats why I say he proabably stronger than ANYONE on this board.
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rings are great for strength training. allows you to move in multiple planes, so when you do pullups you can spread the rings as you pull up. the iron cross skills are great for bringing up shoulders and lats.
Thanks
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gayer than a hanes commercial.
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these guys are all probably a lot weaker than MOS
The guy I trained with a couple time was and he did all that gymnast stuff.
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Gymnast=Gay
Bodybuilder (who poses in oil for other men in skimpy underwear, which are sometimes rolled in to see the whole butt)= not gay
Gymnast (who spends years perfecting a talent or art) = Gay
Bodybuilder (spend $2000 to "compete" against other men who spend the same amount on drugs to win a $4 trophy) = not gay
Gymnast (something really few people have the coordination to do and requires a high degree of skill) = Gay
Bodybuilder (something that requires only genetics, drugs, and maybe 6 months at a gym to get results) = Not Gay
Hope this helps. ;)
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Gymnast=Gay
Bodybuilder (who poses in oil for other men in skimpy underwear, which are sometimes rolled in to see the whole butt)= not gay
Gymnast (who spends years perfecting a talent or art) = Gay
Bodybuilder (spend $2000 to "compete" against other men who spend the same amount on drugs to win a $4 trophy) = not gay
Gymnast (something really few people have the coordination to do and requires a high degree of skill) = Gay
Bodybuilder (something that requires only genetics, drugs, and maybe 6 months at a gym to get results) = Not Gay
Hope this helps. ;)
Gymnast = Athlete
Bodybuilder = Non = Athlete in every sense of the word
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And the key word is "functional" and thats why I say he proabably stronger than ANYONE on this board.
Guess they should start incorporating gymnastics movements into powerlifting meets.
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That is extremely hard, and very, very impressive.
May look ghey and all, but try it out if you doubt me. The handstand pushups are hard enough, but the full parallel extension pushups are beyond impressive. The amount of ab, back and shoulder strength required to do those is obscene.....It is not so much the 'push' aspect, but the suspension of the body is murderous.
Who cares if it's difficult to do since the end result was the physique of a metrosexual tennis player. Please inform me of exactly who's going to know he can do these push ups when he's walking down the street in a t-shirt? Next, who's not going to notice a guy with 20 pythons!!??? Ahahahahahhaha! Epic 12 inch quads! No wonder he can easily lift himself that way... not much to lift... ahahahahhaha!
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Who cares if it's difficult to do since the end result was the physique of a metrosexual tennis player. Please inform me of exactly who's going to know he can do these push ups when he's walking down the street in a t-shirt? Next, who's not going to notice a guy with 20 pythons!!??? Ahahahahahhaha! Epic 12 inch quads! No wonder he can easily lift himself that way... not much to lift... ahahahahhaha!
not a fair comparison to make.
these guys have some of the worlds best "natural" physiques, if they juiced to the level of pro BBers I guarantee that they would look way better.
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Guess they should start incorporating gymnastics movements into powerlifting meets.
they should if they want to test strength through a full range of motion rather than seeing who is the strongest at quarter reps.
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Who cares if it's difficult to do since the end result was the physique of a metrosexual tennis player. Please inform me of exactly who's going to know he can do these push ups when he's walking down the street in a t-shirt? Next, who's not going to notice a guy with 20 pythons!!??? Ahahahahahhaha! Epic 12 inch quads! No wonder he can easily lift himself that way... not much to lift... ahahahahhaha!
Not disputing that, but on the flip side a top gymnast will see more financial and life benefits from it than any bodybuilder.
Gymnastics is one of the top watched things when the Olympics air, millions of people worldwide watch it, while bodybuilding is relegated to webcasts.
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Not disputing that, but on the flip side a top gymnast will see more financial and life benefits from it than any bodybuilder.
Gymnastics is one of the top watched things when the Olympics air, millions of people worldwide watch it, while bodybuilding is relegated to webcasts.
good point, not to mention gov't funds training of top guys so there's no need to do "private posing" or sell nubain.
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Guess they should start incorporating gymnastics movements into powerlifting meets.
What it means is he can wipe his ass without passing out or tearing a muscle.
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He trains his body to do specific functions just like bodybuilders do. Its useless to compare the strength of the two.
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meh... gay
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He trains his body to do specific functions just like bodybuilders do. Its useless to compare the strength of the two.
yeah to a large extent strength is specific to the movement patterns that you train. so it's really a matter of deciding which movements you would rather be able to do.
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Here is a guy with polio (B-Boy Junior) doing planche push ups on the tip of his fingers:
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I think if fitness routines contained some of these moves that those breakdancing guys can do it would make the routines much more attractive.
Look at the audience numbers these guys can attract. Should be able to get some more money in the fitness routines if they weren't so boring.
Stacy Hilton, Jenny Worth, Adela Garcia and Bridgette Newell were the only ones who could keep me looking at their routines.
The fitness industry can learn from something like this:
Plenty of strength moves in these competitions and entertaining as hell too!
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Funny thing is, he's literally stronger than anyone on this board!!
stronger at that move, maybe, but so what?
next you'll say he has a stronger core. right, that's how come john bernor can squat 720x5 without a belt, right? ::)
oh but wait, bernor's fat, which means he's out of shape. now you didn't say anything about shape, just strength. you're wrong no matter what, bud. all we see there is he's very coordinated. his body works well as a unit.
he ain't stronger than most of us, i'd wager. let alone "anyone". i guaranfuckingtee you i could get someone doing that kind of pushup far faster than i could get them benching 500 pounds.
notice how the "related videos" has whole shitload of people doing those things. how many people bench more than 5 plates? hmm...
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stronger at that move, maybe, but so what?
next you'll say he has a stronger core. right, that's how come john bernor can squat 720x5 without a belt, right? ::)
oh but wait, bernor's fat, which means he's out of shape. now you didn't say anything about shape, just strength. you're wrong no matter what, bud. all we see there is he's very coordinated. his body works well as a unit.
he ain't stronger than most of us, i'd wager. let alone "anyone". i guaranfuckingtee you i could get someone doing that kind of pushup far faster than i could get them benching 500 pounds.
notice how the "related videos" has whole shitload of people doing those things. how many people bench more than 5 plates? hmm...
I used to respect Coach, but he is a liar now, plain and simple. He knows damn well that that guy is not stronger than anyone on Getbig.
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stronger at that move, maybe, but so what?
next you'll say he has a stronger core. right, that's how come john bernor can squat 720x5 without a belt, right? ::)
oh but wait, bernor's fat, which means he's out of shape. now you didn't say anything about shape, just strength. you're wrong no matter what, bud. all we see there is he's very coordinated. his body works well as a unit.
he ain't stronger than most of us, i'd wager. let alone "anyone". i guaranfuckingtee you i could get someone doing that kind of pushup far faster than i could get them benching 500 pounds.
notice how the "related videos" has whole shitload of people doing those things. how many people bench more than 5 plates? hmm...
so bernor can squat 720 x 5...so what?
everything can be viewed from several perspectives.
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everything can be viewed from several perspectives.
Exactly.
For those who think its easy, try the parrallel planche, trust me.
I have lifted some decent weight [actually cheesy weight, but comparitively speaking for a smallish natty chick] in my time, but nothing compares to the strain my routine moves put on me. Some took me years to be able to do.
Besides strength, they also required balance, agility etc encompasses so many things.
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Exactly.
For those who think its easy, try the parrallel planche, trust me.
I have lifted some decent weight [actually cheesy weight, but comparitively speaking for a smallish natty chick] in my time, but nothing compares to the strain my routine moves put on me. Some took me years to be able to do.
Besides strength, they also required balance, agility etc encompasses so many things.
I am sure they are hard to do, but that doesn't make that dude stronger than anyone on Getbig. If that fella went to the gym and wanted to get onto his precious rings and the only thing standing between him and his rings were MOS, do you think that using his power and strength he could get past MOS?
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Exactly.
For those who think its easy, try the parrallel planche, trust me.
I have lifted some decent weight [actually cheesy weight, but comparitively speaking for a smallish natty chick] in my time, but nothing compares to the strain my routine moves put on me. Some took me years to be able to do.
Besides strength, they also required balance, agility etc encompasses so many things.
I guess that I should be impressed but I am not
if he tied a couple of 45lb plates to himself and then did that routine....now your talking
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I am sure they are hard to do, but that doesn't make that dude stronger than anyone on Getbig. If that fella went to the gym and wanted to get onto his precious rings and the only thing standing between him and his rings were MOS, do you think that using his power and strength he could get past MOS?
she is not saying that...are you stoooopid? there are different kinds of strength, it depends what you train for.
but no that dude probably cant bench more than 225....but i doubt he cares.
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she is not saying that...are you stoooopid? there are different kinds of strength, it depends what you train for.
but no that dude probably cant bench more than 225....but i doubt he cares.
I know there are different kinds of strength, Coach just happens to think that that guy, while he may or may not be able to get a 1000 pound total in a PL competition, is stronger than anyone on here. ::) You are right, I am stupid. ::)
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she is not saying that...are you stoooopid? there are different kinds of strength, it depends what you train for.
but no that dude probably cant bench more than 225....but i doubt he cares.
Concur.
Like I said, no offence to anyone, it is easy to sit and make comments if you have never tried. The same way that some of those people that cannot bench say 400lbs think they can train for a couple of months and do it.
Simply try to suspend your whole body out parrellel to the ground on your arms, and see how easy it is then. Not trying to be rude, I am serious. Give it a go anyone who doubts and then come back and post ;D
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Concur.
Like I said, no offence to anyone, it is easy to sit and make comments if you have never tried. The same way that some of those people that cannot bench say 400lbs think they can train for a couple of months and do it.
Simply try to suspend your whole body out parrellel to the ground on your arms, and see how easy it is then. Not trying to be rude, I am serious. Give it a go anyone who doubts and then come back and post ;D
You mean like walking on your hands? That's easy!
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You mean like walking on your hands? That's easy!
No, I mean parrellel, hard to explain....like do pushups but take your feet off the ground.
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Concur.
Like I said, no offence to anyone, it is easy to sit and make comments if you have never tried. The same way that some of those people that cannot bench say 400lbs think they can train for a couple of months and do it.
Simply try to suspend your whole body out parrellel to the ground on your arms, and see how easy it is then. Not trying to be rude, I am serious. Give it a go anyone who doubts and then come back and post ;D
so take 2 average individuals that don't actively work out..equal in every way
I will give you 1 year..can you train one them to do that routine and the other to bench 405 for a couple of reps? ::)
without "supplements"
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I know there are different kinds of strength, Coach just happens to think that that guy, while he may or may not be able to get a 1000 pound total in a PL competition, is stronger than anyone on here. ::) You are right, I am stupid. ::)
dont you get it yet? it depends on how you define stronger, einstein.
some people here think, that a fat guy belly bumbing a 600lbs barbell 3 inches while wearing a bench shirt that wont allow him to even lower less than 500 to his belly is the ultimate and only test of strength. ::)
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so take 2 average individuals that don't actively work out..equal in every way
I will give you 1 year..can you train one them to do that routine and the other to bench 405 for a couple of reps? ::)
without "supplements"
the person would not be able to do either most likely.
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btw take a good look at some gymnasts, they have really good developed upperbodies and are very lean. More impressive than 99% of the serious gym-go-ers I see.
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btw take a good look at some gymnasts, they have really good developed upperbodies and are very lean. More impressive than 99% of the serious gym-go-ers I see.
yeah I would be very interested to see what they look like juiced up.
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Gymnast=Gay
Bodybuilder (who poses in oil for other men in skimpy underwear, which are sometimes rolled in to see the whole butt)= not gay
Gymnast (who spends years perfecting a talent or art) = Gay
Bodybuilder (spend $2000 to "compete" against other men who spend the same amount on drugs to win a $4 trophy) = not gay
Gymnast (something really few people have the coordination to do and requires a high degree of skill) = Gay
Bodybuilder (something that requires only genetics, drugs, and maybe 6 months at a gym to get results) = Not Gay
Hope this helps. ;)
croatch (dude who posts on a bbing board but has a pathological and obsessive resentment of bbers) = gay guy who was raped by bber.
most knowledgeable people don't get strength training and gymnastics confused.
btw, everything is relative. i don't see many gymnasts doing squats with 800lbs on their backs or sprinting sub 10 seconds 100metres, but then maybe their core is a little weak ??? ::)
don't let your jealousy and low self esteem issues make you completely stupid.
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don't let your jealousy and low self esteem issues make you completely stupid.
practice what you preach
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yeah I would be very interested to see what they look like juiced up.
no, that's right, a gymnast would never take steroids.
could you be any more ignorant?
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practice what you preach
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stronger at that move, maybe, but so what?
next you'll say he has a stronger core. right, that's how come john bernor can squat 720x5 without a belt, right? ::)
oh but wait, bernor's fat, which means he's out of shape. now you didn't say anything about shape, just strength. you're wrong no matter what, bud. all we see there is he's very coordinated. his body works well as a unit.
he ain't stronger than most of us, i'd wager. let alone "anyone". i guaranfuckingtee you i could get someone doing that kind of pushup far faster than i could get them benching 500 pounds.
notice how the "related videos" has whole shitload of people doing those things. how many people bench more than 5 plates? hmm...
I can tear this post apart in so many different ways it ain't even funny!
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ShiftedShapes:
What are your workouts like these days? Can't remember if you eliminated all free weight exercises, or just reduced the weight.
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no, that's right, a gymnast would never take steroids.
could you be any more ignorant?
yeah I could be as stupid as you.
I never said they weren't on any gear at all, but they are clearly nowhere near BBer doses. These guys are tested randomly year round.
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ShiftedShapes:
What are your workouts like these days? Can't remember if you eliminated all free weight exercises, or just reduced the weight.
with the exception of some squatting and deadlift variations (a lot of which I do balanced on one leg) Ifor which I use barbells and dumbells, I do all of my exercises with bodyweight.
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That is extremely hard, and very, very impressive.
May look ghey and all, but try it out if you doubt me. The handstand pushups are hard enough, but the full parallel extension pushups are beyond impressive. The amount of ab, back and shoulder strength required to do those is obscene.....It is not so much the 'push' aspect, but the suspension of the body is murderous.
Smartest thing said on this thread.
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dont you get it yet? it depends on how you define stronger, einstein.
some people here think, that a fat guy belly bumbing a 600lbs barbell 3 inches while wearing a bench shirt that wont allow him to even lower less than 500 to his belly is the ultimate and only test of strength. ::)
Think of NFL linemen, two people pushing each other, the one who wins is stronger. I don't think that gymnast would fare too well against a lot of Getbiggers, but hey he can support his own weight, he must be stronger than anyone on here! ::)
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yeah I could be as stupid as you.
I never said they weren't on any gear at all, but they are clearly nowhere near BBer doses. These guys are tested randomly year round.
umm, no, that's not what you said.
you said this:
yeah I would be very interested to see what they look like juiced up.
...and how are they 'clearly nowhere near bber doses'?
just admit you have no idea about what you're talking about...again ::) and stfu.
developing core strength is a very good idea for any athlete, but i find it a little pretentious when people start saying that people that perform gymnastics are as strong/stronger than p/lifters, etc.
to find these type of comments on a board like this reeks of ignorance.
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umm, no, that's not what you said.
you said this:
...and how are they 'clearly nowhere near bber doses'?
just admit you have no idea about what you're talking about...again ::) and stfu.
developing core strength is a very good idea for any athlete, but i find it a little pretentious when people start saying that people that perform gymnastics are as strong/stronger than p/lifters, etc.
to find these type of comments on a board like this reeks of ignorance.
you are an idiot.
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with the exception of some squatting and deadlift variations (a lot of which I do balanced on one leg) Ifor which I use barbells and dumbells, I do all of my exercises with bodyweight.
Don't you miss supersetting bodyparts like bi's and tri's and getting a good pump going? Not that you can't replicate that without dumbells and cabels, I just can't see it as being as satisfying.
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dont you get it yet? it depends on how you define stronger, einstein.
some people here think, that a fat guy belly bumbing a 600lbs barbell 3 inches while wearing a bench shirt that wont allow him to even lower less than 500 to his belly is the ultimate and only test of strength. ::)
i like this definition:
"The magnitude of physical strength, often referred to as just strength, determines the ability of a person or animal to exert force on physical objects using muscles."
can this guy exert more force on an object than people on here? fuck no.
he is, however, extremely athletic and can do something that the majority of us cannot. to call him "stronger" is just stupid. more coordinated? sure. more athletic? no doubt. stronger? no.
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i like this definition:
"The magnitude of physical strength, often referred to as just strength, determines the ability of a person or animal to exert force on physical objects using muscles."
can this guy exert more force on an object than people on here? fuck no.
he is, however, extremely athletic and can do something that the majority of us cannot. to call him "stronger" is just stupid. more coordinated? sure. more athletic? no doubt. stronger? no.
you have to also consider the range of motion in which the athlete can apply strength. Most strongmen can't even do a simple handstand or iron cross. So they are very weak in these ranges of motion.
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Don't you miss supersetting bodyparts like bi's and tri's and getting a good pump going? Not that you can't replicate that without dumbells and cabels, I just can't see it as being as satisfying.
actually I can get a way better pump now by doing drop sets except instead of dropping plates I reduce torque (and thus increase mechanical advantage) on the muscles that I'm working.
I also can adjust the torque by altering body position during the range of motion so as to apply more torque in the stronger portions of the ROM and less in the weaker portions. Kind of like using chains or bands for benching.
Body weight exercises allow for infinitely more customization and intensity than free weights or machines. It just takes a while to figure it out.
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Not disputing that, but on the flip side a top gymnast will see more financial and life benefits from it than any bodybuilder.
Gymnastics is one of the top watched things when the Olympics air, millions of people worldwide watch it, while bodybuilding is relegated to webcasts.
True to a certain extent. But you do realise these gymnasts are usually considered washed up at the ripe old age of 20?
The guys move on to become P.E. teachers and the girls become squatty looking hags.
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True to a certain extent. But you do realise these gymnasts are usually considered washed up at the ripe old age of 20?
The guys move on to become P.E. teachers and the girls become squatty looking hags.
a lot of girls are washed up at 20, guys peak much later, just like other sports
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a lot of girls are washed up at 20, guys peak much later, just like other sports
What other sports?
Kickball? Tag? Hide and Go Seek?
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What other sports?
Kickball? Tag? Hide and Go Seek?
don't come at me with this BS
I gave you a reasoned reply to your comment, either acknowledge you were wrong or just go away.
Oh wait I forgot that's not how life works. Stupid people who are wrong most of the time are also usually insecure and petty so they never admit their mistakes.
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don't come at me with this BS
I gave you a reasoned reply to your comment, either acknowledge you were wrong or just go away.
Oh wait I forgot that's not how life works. Stupid people who are wrong most of the time are also usually insecure and petty so they never admit their mistakes.
Whoa. Looks like poor ShiftedShapes got stumped and queefed in his panties.
Settle down stupid.
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Male gymnasts generally peak in their 20's and can often last at a world class level into their early 30's. The guy in the first video, Jordan Jovchev, won the silver on rings(should have won) at I think 34 at the 2004 olympics. It is female gymnasts that peak very early.
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you have to also consider the range of motion in which the athlete can apply strength. Most strongmen can't even do a simple handstand or iron cross. So they are very weak in these ranges of motion.
no you dingbat they're weak thanks to the COORDINATION. jesse marunde could push press 335 for a set of five with minimal leg drive. it's undeniable that he had the muscular power to push his body weight up and down from a vertical position. he just didn't have the coordination because he didn't train for it.
and another thing (unrelated to you, SS) don't give me that "gymnasts have better physiques" BS. that's what happens when you look at the top 1% of a group and compare it to the bottom 75% of another. you look at your average gymnast, even at the college level, and he ain't gonna be much bigger than your average gym rat. i see a number of 'em. one's in great shape, can do some INCREDIBLE feats of athleticism. is he bigger, leaner, or stronger than 99%, 90%, or 70% of the gym? nah.
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no you dingbat they're weak thanks to the COORDINATION. jesse marunde could push press 335 for a set of five with minimal leg drive. it's undeniable that he had the muscular power to push his body weight up and down from a vertical position. he just didn't have the coordination because he didn't train for it.
why are you calling me a dingbat? I'm just applying the definition of physical strength that you supplied earlier in this thread:
i like this definition:
"The magnitude of physical strength, often referred to as just strength, determines the ability of a person or animal to exert force on physical objects using muscles."
How much physical strength does Jesse have in the handstand position under this definition? How about in an iron cross, or a planche? Please apply your own preferred definition.
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True to a certain extent. But you do realise these gymnasts are usually considered washed up at the ripe old age of 20?
The guys move on to become P.E. teachers and the girls become squatty looking hags.
Not disputing that yet again, but if one rises to the top of gymnastics they will achieve far greater success than bodybuilding. How many bodybuilders get on cereal boxes, mainstream ads on TV, get advertising jobs where they are being paid millions, how many bodybuilders have appeared on the cover of Sports Illustarted etc? If after they are washed up, they can still keep pulling in the $$$$.
And of course, speaking strictly from a female perspective... Female bodybuilders if they are lucky might reap some mild reward from bodybuilding, possibly $50 for a webcam show....whereas female gymnasts are marque athletes and can make millions in product endorsements.
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why are you calling me a dingbat? I'm just applying the definition of physical strength that you supplied earlier in this thread:
How much physical strength does Jesse have in the handstand position under this definition? How about in an iron cross, or a planche? Please apply your own preferred definition.
what you fail to understand (because you're a one eyed dingbat) is that jesse weighed a great deal more than your average gymnast and, either didn't have the agility of your average gymnast, or didn't bother trying to learn said movements.
by your definition, ballet dancers are the strongest athletes in the world.
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These gymnasts are very good athletes and very strong in their own right. Can someone tell me how they are stronger(not pound for pound either) than the huge powerlifters that post here? This is a very confusing thread. I honestly don't see any comparison to someone lifting their own bodyweight and someone squatting or benching triple their bodyweight.
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These gymnasts are very good athletes and very strong in their own right. Can someone tell me how they are stronger(not pound for pound either) than the huge powerlifters that post here? This is a very confusing thread. I honestly don't see any comparison to someone lifting their own bodyweight and someone squatting or benching triple their bodyweight.
there is none.
a little person with poor self esteem is just trying to justify his misguided obsession is all.
a flea, pound for pound, is much much stronger than an elephant, but if said flea don't get out of said elephants path, he's getting squashed.
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there is none.
a little person with poor self esteem is just trying to justify his misguided obsession is all.
a flea, pound for pound, is much much stronger than an elephant, but if said flea don't get out of said elephants path, he's getting squashed.
Well, Coach is the one who claimed this guy was stronger than any getbigger. I want to know his justification for such a stupid comment.
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Well, Coach is the one who claimed this guy was stronger than any getbigger. I want to know his justification for such a stupid comment.
i never argued that the dude was stronger than everyoneon getbig..i just tried to explain that powerlifting isnt the only test of strength and in many ways powerlifting is a joke nowdays. also trying to open the eyes of some people who are very narrowminded.
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i never argued that the dude was stronger than everyoneon getbig..i just tried to explain that powerlifting isnt the only test of strength and in many ways powerlifting is a joke nowdays. also trying to open the eyes of some people who are very narrowminded.
I never said you were Coach. Do YOU think that that gymnast is stronger than MOS or Billy Mimnaugh?
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I never said you were Coach. Do YOU think that that gymnast is stronger than MOS or Billy Mimnaugh?
no i know you werent talking about me....
no, not when talking about lifting heavy ass weight, but at same time i doubt they can do what he does.
also; billy is strong, MOS talks about being strong (never seen any of his supposed lifts).
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no i know you werent talking about me....
no, not when talking about lifting heavy ass weight, but at same time i doubt they can do what he does.
also; billy is strong, MOS talks about being strong (never seen any of his supposed lifts).
Can you think of any type of test of strength other than those balance your own type of weight things that the gymnast could beat Billy in? Tug of war? Arm wrestling? shoving match? Why did Coach lie to us?
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Can you think of any type of test of strength other than those balance your own type of weight things that the gymnast could beat Billy in? Tug of war? Arm wrestling? shoving match? Why did Coach lie to us?
a fight?
This coach, is like the coach from cheers?
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a fight?
This coach, is like the coach from cheers?
A fight is not a test of strength. Coach is a poster here, he used to have some credibility.
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A fight is not a test of strength. Coach is a poster here, he used to have some credibility.
You could have a combination of arm wrsetling tug of war etc, maybe press ups shit like that,
coach wasn't he MrIfearnoman before he changed his handle?
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i think coach and croatch have some issues with envy, jealousy and perhaps a bit of small man syndrome, which often affects their concept of rational judgement.
coach also said he could bench 535lbs raw at 180lbs body weight which also happened to be greater than the suited world record of the time but, hey, maybe he's telling the truth this time. ::)
gymnastics is a skill where there is an application of strength to complete events, but for raw brute strength, p/lifting and weightlifting are obviously (well, to those without a pathological envy of bigger stronger people) the closest to this end.
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You could have a combination of arm wrsetling tug of war etc, maybe press ups shit like that,
coach wasn't he MrIfearnoman before he changed his handle?
He was Mr.intenseone before. That was when he didn't lie.
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He was Mr.intenseone before. That was when he didn't lie.
that's when he claimed his raw bench of 535 at 180.
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that's when he claimed his raw bench of 535 at 180.
Well, I really don't care what other people lift or say they lift tbh. But when someone says a 140 pound gymnast is stronger than anyone on here, it really pisses me off.
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Well, I really don't care what other people lift or say they lift tbh. But when someone says a 140 pound gymnast is stronger than anyone on here, it really pisses me off.
do you even work out?
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do you even work out?
yes, and I look the part. The question should be do you work out? You are always questioning other, how about you answer one. If you were to walk down the street, would people know you worked out, or would you have to tell them?
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that's when he claimed his raw bench of 535 at 180.
it was 181...and don't get me started or I'll own you like I did in the last little controversy we had. Sorry dude, there were too many witnesses that are still around that you can check with......but I really don't need to prove myself so take or leave, I can really give a shit.
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yes, and I look the part. The question should be do you work out? You are always questioning other, how about you answer one. If you were to walk down the street, would people know you worked out, or would you have to tell them?
I wasn't even talking to you. Get insecure much?
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do you even work out?
Yes, with weights. What does that have to do with Coach thinking that Lil' fella is the strongest guy on here?
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it was 181...and don't get me started or I'll own you like I did in the last little controversy we had. Sorry dude, there were too many witnesses that are still around that you can check with......but I really don't need to prove myself so take or leave, I can really give a shit.
just one credible witness. that'll do ???
let me guess, you'll tell me it's beneath you to answer? ;D
btw, remind me where you owned me? i wanted you to back some of your bs up and you stalled and refused. i ended up abandoning it as a lost cause, as i will this issue.
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just one credible witness. that'll do ???
let me guess, you'll tell me it's beneath you to answer? ;D
btw, remind me where you owned me? i wanted you to back some of your bs up and you stalled and refused. i ended up abandoning it as a lost cause, as i will this issue.
Dave Shaw, Gus Rethwich, Ray York and a few others that you don't know.
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it was 181...and don't get me started or I'll own you like I did in the last little controversy we had. Sorry dude, there were too many witnesses that are still around that you can check with......but I really don't need to prove myself so take or leave, I can really give a shit.
AHAHAAHAH!!! "....it was 181....," sorry that made me laugh.
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AHAHAAHAH!!! "....it was 181....," sorry that made me laugh.
I Had to make that clear..lol.
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Dave Shaw, Gus Rethwich, Ray York and a few others that you don't know.
they have to be credible and actually witness you doing it. ie not the imaginary little people that talk to you when you've had too much to drink.
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they have to be credible and actually witness you doing it. ie not the imaginary little people that talk to you when you've had too much to drink.
Dave was a judge and Gus was my training partner at the time. If you don't know who they are then it's your problem. Most of the PW world knows of them!
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Dave was a judge and Gus was my training partner at the time. If you don't know who they are then it's your problem. Most of the PW world knows of them!
Don't bother defending yourself to these people.