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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Topic started by: Deicide on September 08, 2007, 11:49:09 PM
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Now I have lived in over 5 countries and again and again I see guys with great bb genetics and unfortunately not the greatest noggins. And the obverse is true as well, it seems to be that those with shitty bb genetics have the better brains. Wonder if anyone else has noticed this as well?
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obverse? ::)
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obverse? ::)
Yes, obverse...
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Yes, obverse...
you mean reverse... obverse is it's opposite.
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Now I have lived in over 5 countries and again and again I see guys with great bb genetics and unfortunately not the greatest noggins. And the obverse is true as well, it seems to be that those with shitty bb genetics have the better brains. Wonder if anyone else has noticed this as well?
There is no known CORRELATION (not correspondence) between lack of intelligence and good bodybuilding genetics (or the inverse) I suspect if there were you'd be mr. olympia by now.
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People wiyh great genetics are lazy sometimes because everything comes easy for them so they dont do any research and they dont try to learn.On the other hand guys with not so good genetics are usually based on knowledge and training in order to develop...
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There is no known CORRELATION (not correspondence) between lack of intelligence and good bodybuilding genetics (or the inverse) I suspect if there were you'd be mr. olympia by now.
Case in point: The chemists who developed synthetic steroid compounds in the 40's and 50's were bookwormish, scrawny nerds who could profit the least from them; they weren't made by Serio Olivas, Flex Wheelers and Ronnie Colemans. People who are more physically gifted in general tend to be less 'intellectual' for lack of a better word. There are exceptions; also skinny, ascetic physicists or poets are rarely great pumpers of iron. Evolutionary development and distribution; the brightest lack the physical qualities whereas the most physical lack the cerebral qualities. That said, I agree with no known correlation that is as of yet demonstrable...
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Well since most on getbig think blacks have the best bodybuilding genetics then there is a correlation. Blacks on average have an IQ 15 points lower than whites.
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Well since most on getbig think blacks have the best bodybuilding genetics then there is a correlation. Blacks on average have an IQ 15 points lower than whites.
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Are you disputing that blacks have an IQ 15 points lower than whites on average? It's proven. Even when blacks are of equal socioeconomic status that difference is still 12 IQ points.
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And?...
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And?...
I POSTED THE PIC TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A DIRECT CORESPONDENCE BETWEEN LOW IQ'S AND BB PISS POOR GENETICS....HENCE THE PIC EXAMPLE. I FOUND IT HERE ON GET BIG . IT'S A GUY THAT POSTS REALLY RETARDED COMMENTS AND HAS SHITTY GENETICS . GOT NO IDEA WHAT HIS NAME IS .
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I POSTED THE PIC TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A DIRECT CORESPONDENCE BETWEEN LOW IQ'S AND BB PISS POOR GENETICS....HENCE THE PIC EXAMPLE. I FOUND IT HERE ON GET BIG . IT'S A GUY THAT POSTS REALLY RETARDED COMMENTS AND HAS SHITTY GENETICS . GOT NO IDEA WHAT HIS NAME IS .
Firstly, take off the capslock.
Secondly, you wrote the book on shitty genetics. Post up a pic of yourself at 17...
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Are you disputing that blacks have an IQ 15 points lower than whites on average? It's proven. Even when blacks are of equal socioeconomic status that difference is still 12 IQ points.
No, I'm not disputing that ( although, in my personal opinion, I believe Tests that deal primarily with Race as it's subject matter are flawed ... see : The Mismeasure of Man By Stephen Jay Gould ), however, the " Eye Rolling " was posted to indicate that I STRONGLY disagree with there being some type of a correlation between Intelligence and lack of Bodybuilding Genetics ... as a matter of fact, I think it's nothing short of rediculous. Again, just my personal opinion. I know PLENTLY of people that lack great Bodybuilding Genetics ( even downright HORRIBLE ), yet are very Intelligent. Likewise, I know plenty of people with great Genetics ( the people that grow just by looking at Weights ) that aren't very Intelligent. Just my 2 cents.
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No, I'm not disputing that ( although, in my personal opinion, I believe Tests that deal primarily with Race as it's subject matter are flawed ... see : The Mismeasure of Man By Stephen Jay Gould ), however, the " Eye Rolling " was posted to indicate that I STRONGLY disagree with there being some type of a correlation between Intelligence and lack of Bodybuilding Genetics ... as a matter of fact, I think it's nothing short of rediculous. Again, just my personal opinion. I know PLENTLY of people that lack great Bodybuilding Genetics ( even downright HORRIBLE ), yet are very Intelligent. Likewise, I know plenty of people with great Genetics ( the people that grow just by looking at Weights ) that aren't very Intelligent. Just my 2 cents.
I agree with this. I should have said in my first post that it wasn't my personal opinion, just a conclusion I'd drawn from evidence that I'd seen.
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I don't have great bodybuilding genetics but I think they're ok. And I have 2 bachelors, a MS, and a PhD.
Not sure if this supports the theory or disproves it....hmmmmm....lol
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seriously? you think there is any correlation between 'bodybuilding' genetics and intelligence? that is the stupidest statement ever. Yes some people are more intelligent than others, and yes some people have better athletic potential than others, but to think that there is any way that one can only have either athletic potential or intelligence shows that you were probably in the "special" class at school, where others shared similar stupid theories that have no scientific basis at all.
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seriously? you think there is any correlation between 'bodybuilding' genetics and intelligence? that is the stupidest statement ever. Yes some people are more intelligent than others, and yes some people have better athletic potential than others, but to think that there is any way that one can only have either athletic potential or intelligence shows that you were probably in the "special" class at school, where others shared similar stupid theories that have no scientific basis at all.
Natural selection: MOST don't get both.
Let's face it, Ronnie isn't going to come up with a solution for cold fusion any time soon.
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Natural selection: MOST don't get both.
Let's face it, Ronnie isn't going to come up with a solution for cold fusion any time soon.
That's just plain dumb it's not his feild of study. If i'm not mistaken Ronnie does hold an accountancy degree not exactly a retard's degree is it?
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That's just plain dumb it's not his feild of study. If i'm not mistaken Ronnie does hold an accountancy degree not exactly a retard's degree is it?
Accounting does require talent; the endurance to tolerate some of the most boring work in existence.
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I POSTED THE PIC TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A DIRECT CORESPONDENCE BETWEEN LOW IQ'S AND BB PISS POOR GENETICS....HENCE THE PIC EXAMPLE. I FOUND IT HERE ON GET BIG . IT'S A GUY THAT POSTS REALLY RETARDED COMMENTS AND HAS SHITTY GENETICS . GOT NO IDEA WHAT HIS NAME IS .
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ummmmmmmmm i dont know.
ill have to wait and see what i look like at 6-7 % bf; then ill let you know.
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Case in point: The chemists who developed synthetic steroid compounds in the 40's and 50's were bookwormish, scrawny nerds who could profit the least from them; they weren't made by Serio Olivas, Flex Wheelers and Ronnie Colemans. People who are more physically gifted in general tend to be less 'intellectual' for lack of a better word. There are exceptions; also skinny, ascetic physicists or poets are rarely great pumpers of iron. Evolutionary development and distribution; the brightest lack the physical qualities whereas the most physical lack the cerebral qualities. That said, I agree with no known correlation that is as of yet demonstrable...
This view is quite flawed. Those bookwormish, skinny guys were interested in The Sciences, they spent their time doing what they liked. If they took up bodybuilding, as well, one does not know if they had good or okay genetics for bodybuilding. You see, most people concentrate on one thing (especially in America) instead of being a whole person, and having a varied of interests. The "Jack of All trades, and a Master of None", seemingly doesn't apply to most people anymore. I had a friend in College who carried 26 credits his last two semesters (very hard to do) and we called him "Beast" , because he was like the "Beast" in the X-men comics, he was very intelligent, plus he was a bodybuilder, a stripper, and ladies man. He was a Poly Sci major and went to law school.
It's just a matter of what people are interested in...or the effort they put in it.Don't use this for your lack of work ethic or lack of gaining weight, by coming up with the excuse of "intelligent people don't have the genetics for bbing"
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This view is quite flawed. Those bookwormish, skinny guys were interested in The Sciences, they spent their time doing what they liked. If they took up bodybuilding, as well, one does not know if they had good or okay genetics for bodybuilding. You see, most people concentrate on one thing (especially in America) instead of being a whole person, and having a varied of interests. The "Jack of All trades, and a Master of None", seemingly doesn't apply to most people anymore. I had a friend in College who carried 26 credits his last two semesters (very hard to do) and we called him "Beast" , because he was like the "Beast" in the X-men comics, he was very intelligent, plus he was a bodybuilder, a stripper, and ladies man. He was a Poly Sci major and went to law school.
It's just a matter of what people are interested in...or the effort they put in it.Don't use this for your lack of work ethic or lack of gaining weight, by coming up with the excuse of "intelligent people don't have the genetics for bbing"
The Jack of All Trades, Master of None has died out for a reason; specialisation. In the world we live in, there are so many branches of knowledge that one can only succeed with narrow focusing on one field. It's a pity but that's how things are.
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The Jack of All Trades, Master of None has died out for a reason; specialisation. In the world we live in, there are so many branches of knowledge that one can only succeed with narrow focusing on one field. It's a pity but that's how things are.
The natural world has shown us what happens to those who are too specialized. Take for instance the Sabre-tooth cat vs. the American Grizzly Bear. The Sabre-Tooth Cat was specialized for very large prey, specifically large Bison, when it's food died out (that particular large species of Bison), plus man being a better predator, the Sabre-tooth cat could not adapt to other prey. It could not run down other prey because it was a abuse predator. So extinction was eminent. Now look at the American Grizzly Bear, it is an omnivore, and is very adaptive to various environments and foods. It has survived by being flexible and adaptive, and not specialized in just one type of prey.
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The natural world has shown us what happens to those who are too specialized. Take for instance the Sabre-tooth cat vs. the American Grizzly Bear. The Sabre-Tooth Cat was specialized for very large prey, specifically large Bison, when it's food died out (that particular large species of Bison), plus man being a better predator, the Sabre-tooth cat could not adapt to other prey. It could not run down other prey because it was a abuse predator. So extinction was eminent. Now look at the American Grizzly Bear, it is an omnivore, and is very adaptive to various environments and foods. It has survived by being flexible and adaptive, and not specialized in just one type of prey.
99% of the species that have ever lived have gone extinct just as our species will one day too.
The analogy is fatuous because in the economic world an 'omnivore' has little to gain.....
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99% of the species that have ever lived have gone extinct just as our species will one day too.
The analogy is fatuous because in the economic world an 'omnivore' has little to gain.....
The original analogy was S.tooth Cat vs. The Roach ;D
I think a person who is adaptive to different environments can be a better success than one that is only specialized to one. A brilliant or successful scientist might not be a people person, but excels in the lab and lets say he he goes to a party he might only talk to one person (if that), because he doesn't feel comfortable around people. And he may not have networked with anybody that could help him in any way. Take a scientist (like Dr. Robert Horner---he helped with The Jurassic Park series) who is a wonderful people-person, and is very adaptive, he'll come away with more from that party and has network with more people than the insecure one.
If you look at the middle east, many of those countries economies revolve around one thing:Oil. Everything geared toward Oil production, oil refining. What happens when the oil runs out? Same thing as countries who rely on tourism. Those countries tend to be poor. When you rely solely on one thing, eventually it will bite you. The whole, putting your eggs in one basket concept. Diversify!!!
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The original analogy was S.tooth Cat vs. The Roach ;D
I think a person who is adaptive to different environments can be a better success than one that is only specialized to one. A brilliant or successful scientist might not be a people person, but excels in the lab and lets say he he goes to a party he might only talk to one person (if that), because he doesn't feel comfortable around people. And he may not have networked with anybody that could help him in any way. Take a scientist (like Dr. Robert Horner---he helped with The Jurassic Park series) who is a wonderful people-person, and is very adaptive, he'll come away with more from that party and has network with more people than the insecure one.
If you look at the middle east, many of those countries economies revolve around one thing:Oil. Everything geared toward Oil production, oil refining. What happens when the oil runs out? Same thing as countries who rely on tourism. Those countries tend to be poor. When you rely solely on one thing, eventually it will bite you. The whole, putting your eggs in one basket concept. Diversify!!!
Tell that to all the electrical engineers and computer programmers who are raking it in...
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Tell that to all the electrical engineers and computer programmers who are raking it in...
Actually because the market is so over-saturated with Engineers and computer programmers and IT techs, many are not making the money that was commanded 6-10 years ago. Just like attorneys. Many attorneys are frustrated that they don't have steady jobs or great jobs as they thought they would and are in debt from school loans for their undergrad and law school.
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Actually because the market is so over-saturated with Engineers and computer programmers and IT techs, many are not making the money that was commanded 6-10 years ago. Just like attorneys. Many attorneys are frustrated that they don't have steady jobs or great jobs as they thought they would and are in debt from school loans for their undergrad and law school.
Nonetheless better than those philosophy degree folks...
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Nonetheless better than those philosophy degree folks...
Quite true...I knew one that graduated from Duke 1 year early. She's in a dead end and abusive relationship w/ a 40+ yr old man.
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Quite true...I knew one that graduated from Duke 1 year early. She's in a dead end and abusive relationship w/ a 40+ yr old man.
Specialists still prevail in today's world...
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Nonetheless better than those philosophy degree folks...
INDEED ! I decided getting a degree in Philosophy wasn't really in my best interest ... though I still read it from time to time. :D
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let me see, arnold's body and brain vs bill gates?
ARNOLD.
next stupid question...
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Case in point: The chemists who developed synthetic steroid compounds in the 40's and 50's were bookwormish, scrawny nerds who could profit the least from them; they weren't made by Serio Olivas, Flex Wheelers and Ronnie Colemans. People who are more physically gifted in general tend to be less 'intellectual' for lack of a better word. There are exceptions; also skinny, ascetic physicists or poets are rarely great pumpers of iron. Evolutionary development and distribution; the brightest lack the physical qualities whereas the most physical lack the cerebral qualities. That said, I agree with no known correlation that is as of yet demonstrable...
Number one, you're a retard, hope this helps.
Number two, how do you know they were scrawny nerds? Some of those scientists very well could have been big guys, small guys medium guys, huge onlyme fatass kind of guys. You're making up a story and using it as fact. Does that make any sense?!?! No, cause you're a retard.
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Now I have lived in over 5 countries and again and again I see guys with great bb genetics and unfortunately not the greatest noggins. And the obverse is true as well, it seems to be that those with shitty bb genetics have the better brains. Wonder if anyone else has noticed this as well?
The odds are if you get one gift you don't get too many others, plus we all tend to use the gifts we have and shy away from those things we are not strong at
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Quite true...I knew one that graduated from Duke 1 year early. She's in a dead end and abusive relationship w/ a 40+ yr old man.
She graduated from Duke.
That explains everything! ;D
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Now I have lived in over 5 countries and again and again I see guys with great bb genetics and unfortunately not the greatest noggins. And the obverse is true as well, it seems to be that those with shitty bb genetics have the better brains. Wonder if anyone else has noticed this as well?
the way i see it is - the high iq guys dont care how they look, thus appearing to have crap genetics. but if they trained hard, hit the sauce and lived the bber lifestyle, they would probably look damn good.
tom prince is a perfect example of a 'dont judge a book by its cover.'
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This thread is hilarious! ;D
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IMO, IQ is no the best indication of intellegence...
what is intellegence?
Guy can do math - everyone thinks he's intellegent.
Yet it comes to life situations (relationship, business, etc) and he handles it worse than the next Joe who sux at maths...
I could argue for hours that intellegence is a vague thing. Yeah, you get dumb ass and you get very smart people, but in general, most of us are quite smart in something and stupid in something else. It's just that we more often than not find ourselves doing those things, which we are not intellegent at, while passing on those where our real talents are. Popular trends....u know.
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This thread has so much bullshit in it I wouldn't know where to start cleaning....
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This thread has so much bullshit in it I wouldn't know where to start cleaning....
Please start....I think i added to it. ;D