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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: MaTrlx on September 09, 2007, 10:46:10 AM
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Came across an article on pro muscle forums regarding the dosing protocol of sustanon or multi-test blends.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15973 (http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15973)
Wonder if anybody has tried it? Injections done once every 8 days, at the dosage u plan to use per week all in the hyper at a go.
Interesting facts they back them up with. Stable blood levels instead of them yo-yo-ing up and down.
Thought of giving it a try at 600mg every monday of the week when i start my cycle using a multi-test blend which would be my first time using such a blend, instead of the usual single ester compounds.
Thoughts anybody?
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ive always thought i high dose above 800/mg week would serve the purpose of multi ester the best. avoid crashing and whatnot
but ill always stick with a single ester test
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He has a point, "Throwing it in the trash... Just enough at first to supress HPTA..."
Thats why I front load it heavy! 1000-1500mg in the 1st 10 days or so.
You can even throw enanthate in w/ it.
Ya got to remember its dose is spread out over 21 days. I crash hard on day 22.
Orals up front will also solve that problem.
Borrenson had the most intelligent and effective SUS stacks of anyone Ive ever seen/tried.
Pointless even reinventing the wheel they work so fine.
Switch to Enanthate after a SUS front load, run enanthate over the SUS, switch to prop at the end.
Be aware of any glich/ drop youve buit in at 21 days after last SUS shot. If youd tappered down on it,
it wont matter anyway. But if your on a longer run, you want Enanthate to merge smoothly.
The Perfect HRT shot? 3cc of SUS every 17th day ;). Seamless.
SUS is THE most VERSITILE Testo IMO.
Many Guys that filled hypos w/ "SUS" out of 10cc vials were REALLY using TPro + TE or TC. A Crappy blend.
Ping Pong ball ride.
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Seems kinda confusing with what you laid out there trab, LOL!!
"Switch to Enanthate after a SUS front load, run enanthate over the SUS, switch to prop at the end."
So u are saying to front load the cycle using Sustanon before switching over to Enanthate for the rest of the cycle? Is there any possibility to front load lesser than a gram, eg 500mg?
I do understand the prop part though, i like to use prop at the end to blunt out the crash of the long estered compounds before going into PCT.
Most likely i would be running the crappy multi-test blend as u described, not the legit pharma type of sustanon.
Would it be better to run a single test ester instead as opposed to that multi-test blend?
What would be the perfect dosing protocol for a single test blend to keep blood levels as stable as possible with a maximum of 400-500 mg/week?
I used to run it at the usual twice a week apporach (Mon, Thursday shots) and didnt really seem to feel it kick in till week 4 or so.
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250mg 2xew shoot on monday then again on thursday!
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Seems kinda confusing with what you laid out there trab, LOL!!
"Switch to Enanthate after a SUS front load, run enanthate over the SUS, switch to prop at the end."
So u are saying to front load the cycle using Sustanon before switching over to Enanthate for the rest of the cycle? Is there any possibility to front load lesser than a gram, eg 500mg?
I do understand the prop part though, i like to use prop at the end to blunt out the crash of the long estered compounds before going into PCT.
Most likely i would be running the crappy multi-test blend as u described, not the legit pharma type of sustanon.
Would it be better to run a single test ester instead as opposed to that multi-test blend?
What would be the perfect dosing protocol for a single test blend to keep blood levels as stable as possible with a maximum of 400-500 mg/week?
I used to run it at the usual twice a week apporach (Mon, Thursday shots) and didnt really seem to feel it kick in till week 4 or so.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=166147.0
Sorry...
Here, check this chart (Link) RDW made of release rate of 1gr of TE at shots 1x week vs 2x week.
Simply remember that SUS is gona take some time to build up unless you sort of hammer it up front. ALso, it gonna take some time to wear off.
Yes, I also use Prop to "Blunt the crash". Perfect way to put it.
Your also using Prop to come on fast at start.
If your normaly a 500-600mg week of Cyp or TE user.... 2 or 3 eod shots of 500mg of SUS will suffice as a front load.
I really cant see using less then a couple 5oomg shots to start off.
Nothing wrong w/ topping off a 3cc hypo w/ 1 last cc of TE either.
Why waste a big injection site like a hip or glute or quad that can hold 3-4cc with only 1cc at the start of a cycle?
Got to remember the breakdown - 30-60-60-100mg
It takes 10-14 days before that 100mg of Decanoate is really coming on. So your not running on much. The fast esters are also burning off in no time.
I personaly feel 2cc of SUS a week is a beginer cycle only. If youve built it up and THEN drop to 2cc it can run on like that a LONG time. Orals up front for 2-3 weeks would also cover build up lag time also.
500mg of SUS is not anything like 500mg of TE or TC. The time its released over is SO much more spread out.
So,Its nowhere near as high/ fast a dose.
What is actually in the 10cc vial gets to be the real question.
If its just TProp + TE/ TC, I'd time shots to my workouts to get a little boost from the fast acting prop.
Allways take advantage of a jolt.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=166147.0
Sorry...
Here, check this chart (Link) RDW made of release rate of 1gr of TE at shots 1x week vs 2x week.
Simply remember that SUS is gona take some time to build up unless you sort of hammer it up front. ALso, it gonna take some time to wear off.
Yes, I also use Prop to "Blunt the crash". Perfect way to put it.
Your also using Prop to come on fast at start.
If your normaly a 500-600mg week of Cyp or TE user.... 2 or 3 eod shots of 500mg of SUS will suffice as a front load.
I really cant see using less then a couple 5oomg shots to start off.
Nothing wrong w/ topping off a 3cc hypo w/ 1 last cc of TE either.
Why waste a big injection site like a hip or glute or quad that can hold 3-4cc with only 1cc at the start of a cycle?
Got to remember the breakdown - 30-60-60-100mg
It takes 10-14 days before that 100mg of Decanoate is really coming on. So your not running on much. The fast esters are also burning off in no time.
I personaly feel 2cc of SUS a week is a beginer cycle only. If youve built it up and THEN drop to 2cc it can run on like that a LONG time. Orals up front for 2-3 weeks would also cover build up lag time also.
500mg of SUS is not anything like 500mg of TE or TC. The time its released over is SO much more spread out.
So,Its nowhere near as high/ fast a dose.
What is actually in the 10cc vial gets to be the real question.
If its just TProp + TE/ TC, I'd time shots to my workouts to get a little boost from the fast acting prop.
Allways take advantage of a jolt.
Thanks for the reply trab.
How long would this frontload of Sust be? First week before switching over to Test E on the Second?
What about a different scenario?
I run the multi-test blend containing 5 esters in which 3 of them are Test P, C & E respectively (gonna find out what the other 2 are) using the front loading protocol.
2cc of super test(600mg) in the hypo plus 1 cc of deca(100mg) on Monday and then another shot of deca(100mg) on Thursday and so on for 12 weeks with a kick start of 20mg of dianabol a day for the first 4 weeks.
Laying it out in would look like this
Week 1-12 600mg/week Super Test (Every Monday of the Week)
Week 1-12 200mg/week Deca (Every Monday & Thursday of the Week)
Week 1-4 20mg ED Dbol
Week 13-16 100mg EOD Test Prop
First timer using Deca hence the 200mg per week dosage, I know it sounds kinda on the low end for ya trab :D
Would dosing the multi-test blend every 8 days with 2cc at a go allow stable blood levels during the cycle? Primary concern of this upcoming on would be trying to maintain stable blood levels as humanly as possible, without them crashing up and down.
If not i would stick to good ol' Test E at 500mg/week.
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I got to leave in a moment, but thats a lot of different AAS.
Im not really into high dose runs, but 1000-1500 SUS in 10 days at the start is not as much as it sounds.
Look at it like this. If you took 10cc of SUS in 1 day, 10x30mg prop = 300mg
10x60mg phenyl =600mg
10x60mg isocap =600mg
10x100mg Tdecano = 1000mg
So it would just be a 21 day ramp up to 1gram over the course of 10 days - 2 weeks, and ending at about 3rd week.
ALthough ya took 2500mg in ONE DAY! TO my mind - Thats a good argument not to leave much space in the hypo when SUS is involved, unless your droping the dose.
Need figure what you have, and the rate of release to know about how much is active at any given time.
WTF, Helter skelter works fine often anyway ;D
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Switch to Enanthate after a SUS front load, run enanthate over the SUS, switch to prop at the end.
I just did something similar to this for my last big cycle.
Basically, ran SUS at 1000mg per week, then at around week 16 I transitioned over to 1000mg per week test e, then to prop at week 20 at around 700mg per week (along with a helluva lot of other sh*t). As I introduced each new ester, I cut the weekly dose in half for 2 weeks of each compound (same total weekly test dose, though). I'm on the last week (week 24) of the prop now. I must say I felt very stable throughout the cycle, with no ups and downs------just ups ;D
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I just did something similar to this for my last big cycle.
Basically, ran SUS at 1000mg per week, then at around week 16 I transitioned over to 1000mg per week test e, then to prop at week 20 at around 700mg per week (along with a helluva lot of other sh*t). As I introduced each new ester, I cut the weekly dose in half for 2 weeks of each compound (same total weekly test dose, though). I'm on the last week (week 24) of the prop now. I must say I felt very stable throughout the cycle, with no ups and downs------just ups ;D
Many guys just dont understand teh concept of 1/2 Lives to get it smooth is my guess.
That, and product tahts not actualy as labled. I personaly feel Sustanon as nearly seemless for 3 weeks.
Only way I can even MAKE a bump - is a big ass 1 day shot with no regard to 3 weeks later.
At times Ive noticed a slight "up shift" off of one or two large shots done on consecutive days.
The Final, additional 40mg increase of Decanoate coming on from even 10cc = only a 400mg bump up.
(But this would set up a Potential 1000mg crash scenario. [10cc x 100mg TDecanoate])
This is gradeschool math.
How many Guys shoot 10cc of SUS in 2 days? Not many.
Just Put a Big letter X on the calander 21 days after each shot ;).
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God you love that SUS trab :P Stuff is just too all over the place for me.... But Hey i guess if i was in the land of the Karachi's then id be all about it too
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God you love that SUS trab :P Stuff is just too all over the place for me.... But Hey i guess if i was in the land of the Karachi's then id be all about it too
ST -It may just not work well for your Body chemistry.... Hard to say, Im thinkin 2 x 3cc eod first shots after now after hearing hes used 750TE weekly previously. Hes allerady got it, so use as best as possible. ;)
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I got to leave in a moment, but thats a lot of different AAS.
Im not really into high dose runs, but 1000-1500 SUS in 10 days at the start is not as much as it sounds.
Look at it like this. If you took 10cc of SUS in 1 day, 10x30mg prop = 300mg
10x60mg phenyl =600mg
10x60mg isocap =600mg
10x100mg Tdecano = 1000mg
So it would just be a 21 day ramp up to 1gram over the course of 10 days - 2 weeks, and ending at about 3rd week.
ALthough ya took 2500mg in ONE DAY! TO my mind - Thats a good argument not to leave much space in the hypo when SUS is involved, unless your droping the dose.
Need figure what you have, and the rate of release to know about how much is active at any given time.
WTF, Helter skelter works fine often anyway ;D
Gotta admit its the best way to run Sust there trab for best results. Theory makes sense.
Your really deep into this Sust huh? Damn. Gotta try it out when i can get the pakis at a cheaper price per amp from thailand as currently, prices are $10 an amp here while u can get that same shit for less than half that price in Thailand.
I'll give the Multi-test blend a try by dosing it every 8 days. From the pro muscle thread, people have tried out that method using andropen too, so why not give it a shot? Calculating and predicting blood levels for this product is kinda driving me crazy at the moment as i'm afraid of not fully benefitting from the cycle. Hell, i might even give it a Monday Thursday shot too. As what you put it, helter skelter works just as fine too. :D
Freak, care to post your cycle again? Sort of recalled you once created a thread bout it, too lazy to search ;D
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250mg 2xew shoot on monday then again on thursday!
If you train , monday - friday dont you think it would be better to shoot sunday -wed?
Ive noticed a lot of guys shoot gear monday - thur but train mon -fri .... Doesnt it make more sense to shoot sunday and wed in that case?
Ive tried both methods with sust .... Once a week and twice a week shoots. I found the best method for me was to shoot twice a week , then when I took the final shot of the cycle to run an oral. Ive used stanazol and anavar. I found anavar to work best.
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God you love that SUS trab :P Stuff is just too all over the place for me.... But Hey i guess if i was in the land of the Karachi's then id be all about it too
Sust is my fav test as well , I find I get the best results with it. I feel great when I take it. the only down side is that my sex drive goes through the roof with it and I cant think clearly at times!
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Freak, care to post your cycle again? Sort of recalled you once created a thread bout it, too lazy to search ;D
It went something like this:
Week 1-4 anadrol 50mg per day
Week 1-16 sustanon 1000mg per week
Week 1-16 deca 500mg per week
Week 10-16 winstrol 75mg per day
Week 16-21 tren a 600mg per week
Week 17-20 test enanthate 1000mg per week
Week 21-24 test prop 100mg ed
Arimidex at 0.9mg per day and hcg at 500i.u. every 5 days throughout. I'm still finishing up the prop, and then I'll jump right into nolvadex for PCT at 20-30mg per day for 4 weeks.
If you look closely, there's a lot of smooth transitions here between compounds. The A-bombs were just to get me kickin' right away. I introduced winny while the deca was still running so my old joints wouldn't take too hard a hit, and then introduced the tren when the winny ended and I was off deca (in case there is some validity to receptor competition between deca and tren).
I could literally see clear physical changes as each compound was introduced, and each change was an advancement from the stage before. Man, when the tren kicked in after winny my veins were freakin' garden hoses. I developed a plexus of veins on my lower abdomen that ran right up into and across the top of my quads that was nothing short of sick.
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It went something like this:
Week 1-4 anadrol 50mg per day
Week 1-16 sustanon 1000mg per week
Week 1-16 deca 500mg per week
Week 10-16 winstrol 75mg per day
Week 16-21 tren a 600mg per week
Week 17-20 test enanthate 1000mg per week
Week 21-24 test prop 100mg ed
Arimidex at 0.9mg per day and hcg at 500i.u. every 5 days throughout. I'm still finishing up the prop, and then I'll jump right into nolvadex for PCT at 20-30mg per day for 4 weeks.
If you look closely, there's a lot of smooth transitions here between compounds. The A-bombs were just to get me kickin' right away. I introduced winny while the deca was still running so my old joints wouldn't take too hard a hit, and then introduced the tren when the winny ended and I was off deca (in case there is some validity to receptor competition between deca and tren).
I could literally see clear physical changes as each compound was introduced, and each change was an advancement from the stage before. Man, when the tren kicked in after winny my veins were freakin' garden hoses. I developed a plexus of veins on my lower abdomen that ran right up into and across the top of my quads that was nothing short of sick.
A nice planned out cycle there with proper timing transitions freak. I like your concept of running "bulking" compounds in the first part of the cycle and "cutting" compounds in the last part. Good one to follow if i had extra cash to burn. Looks costly from the tren dosages though, but hell, ur a doc right? ;D
What do u think of multi-test blends anyway freak? Definitely not the real deal pharma Sustas but contain almost similar esters, just an extra Cyp compound added in to make it a 5 ester blend. Worthy to run or just stick to a single test ester with a kickstart of dbol?
As what trab had laid out earlier, it seems useless to run blends without a strong headstart, which i find makes sense due to the different active/half-lives of each ester. Kinda makes me think twice about blends as i plan to run only 600mg/week using the multi-testo blend.
And Getbig, how many mgs of Sust were u running everyweek with your once and twice weekly shots? Care to share more detail in this? Thanks.
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What do u think of multi-test blends anyway freak?
Ester-schmester. Test is test.
To be honest, in the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters too much which ester or combination of esters are present as long as you understand what the esters are doing for you. And even with that understanding, since I run a pretty good dose of test and still inject it 2x per week anyway no matter what ester it's attached to (except straight prop, of course), it probably doesn't matter.
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Any new ideas or people that have tried this? I cant see injecting 6 ccs of test in one sitting?
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Man I saw you at the Mr O id be impressed if you could drink 6cc of whey in a sitting...
Stop talking the talk and actually take the walk man , you need to train hard and eat 6 solid meals a day forget sust thats the last thing you need...
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Man I saw you at the Mr O id be impressed if you could drink 6cc of whey in a sitting...
Stop talking the talk and actually take the walk man , you need to train hard and eat 6 solid meals a day forget sust thats the last thing you need...
another troll scared to come up to me and talk trash and ruin a threat be coming here
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Some of the information in this thread makes me cringe. Sust needs to be injected EOD no matter what IMO. You gain nothing by doing a single injection or front loading except horribly uneven blood levels. The short esters require an EOD injection and that's what people completely miss. Go ahead and front load Sust once every 8 days and kiss your even blood levels goodbye.
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another troll scared to come up to me and talk trash and ruin a threat be coming here
Its not a threat man , I couldnt be botherd with "coming up to you" grow up tough guy
Its guys like you who give bodybuilding a bad name talking about gear when you look like a dancer using names like "Billy Guns"
You need to shut up and apply yourself to some actual hard training and solid clean eating
How long have you been training for and how old are you? "Can you post a pic of yourself in shape?
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Its not a threat man , I couldnt be botherd with "coming up to you" grow up tough guy
Its guys like you who give bodybuilding a bad name talking about gear when you look like a dancer using names like "Billy Guns"
You need to shut up and apply yourself to some actual hard training and solid clean eating
How long have you been training for and how old are you? "Can you post a pic of yourself in shape?
Tough Love, to a guy with BBing aspirations.
Im interested in how long hes been on and what.... Personally Im guessing a body so hormonally out of whack it
needs a rest/ reset of natural production for a spell. He's baby smooth even though throwing everything in the book at it is my guess. Time to totally reassess whats been the program, traingin and dope and eating and prep.
Come off totally for 4-6 months and do that right is my advice.
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Some of the information in this thread makes me cringe. Sust needs to be injected EOD no matter what IMO. You gain nothing by doing a single injection or front loading except horribly uneven blood levels. The short esters require an EOD injection and that's what people completely miss. Go ahead and front load Sust once every 8 days and kiss your even blood levels goodbye.
Well put.
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Man I saw you at the Mr O id be impressed if you could drink 6cc of whey in a sitting...
Stop talking the talk and actually take the walk man , you need to train hard and eat 6 solid meals a day forget sust thats the last thing you need...
Maybe you dont like the guy but I see no reason to flame here. All he did was ask/state a simple post trying to contribute to the board and the guy gets flamed?? I dont really know BGuns, have seem he has made a name for himself but the dude is not coming on here starting shit, so why should people here do that to him?
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Its because he needs a reality check that’s why. He needs to apply himself in the other aspect of bodybuilding such as training and nutrition and not be focused on gear. Sust is the last thing he should be wondering about. Its great that he’s passionate and loves bodybuilding but like trab said he really need’s to reassess what he’s doing. He embarrasses himself and has a bi head that hes “Billy Guns”, reminds me of the girls brother from first 50 dates “Chip” or “Chuck”
Billy what does your diet look like? Training program? Experience? Supplements?
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Its because he needs a reality check that’s why. He needs to apply himself in the other aspect of bodybuilding such as training and nutrition and not be focused on gear. Sust is the last thing he should be wondering about. Its great that he’s passionate and loves bodybuilding but like trab said he really need’s to reassess what he’s doing. He embarrasses himself and has a bi head that hes “Billy Guns”, reminds me of the girls brother from first 50 dates “Chip” or “Chuck”
Billy what does your diet look like? Training program? Experience? Supplements?
Wow if you only had a clue instead of flaming buddy...
MEAL 1: (7 am) 5 whole omega-3 eggs with 1 cup of oatmeal
MEAL 2: (10am) 50g whey with 50g waxy maize
MEAL 3: (12:30 pm) ˝ pound (8oz) of chicken with ˝ cup cashews with 1 cup RICE
MEAL 4: (3 pm) 50g Whey with 50g waxy maize
TRAIN 5 til 6 pm
MEAL 5 :( 6:15pm) 50g Whey with 2 tablespoon of all natural PB
MEAL 6: (8:30pm) 8oz. of tuna w/ 1/2 cup of almonds
MEAL 7: (11:00pm)˝ pound (8oz) of red meat or Salmon with a salad with 2 tablespoon of olive or macadamia nut oil and vinegar with 1 yam
I currently train with IFBB Pro Colette
m chest tris calves
t back abs
w shoulders calves
th bis and tris abs
fri Legs calves
Sat Off
Sunday off
Supplements I am on glucosamine and chondrotin and using wtf from alri and superpump from gaspari right now as far as anabolics it is dry right now and I honestly am taking a break from them for a few. I got a bad bottle and my body started breaking out and more than I care for right now not bad but I never broke out after my teen years. I will continue to grow and be honest unlike so many here who lie. If you have a question just ask I'll answer it
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Wow if you only had a clue instead of flaming buddy...
MEAL 1: (7 am) 5 whole omega-3 eggs with 1 cup of oatmeal
MEAL 2: (10am) 50g whey with 50g waxy maize
MEAL 3: (12:30 pm) ˝ pound (8oz) of chicken with ˝ cup cashews with 1 cup RICE
MEAL 4: (3 pm) 50g Whey with 50g waxy maize
TRAIN 5 til 6 pm
MEAL 5 :( 6:15pm) 50g Whey with 2 tablespoon of all natural PB
MEAL 6: (8:30pm) 8oz. of tuna w/ 1/2 cup of almonds
MEAL 7: (11:00pm)˝ pound (8oz) of red meat or Salmon with a salad with 2 tablespoon of olive or macadamia nut oil and vinegar with 1 yam
I currently train with IFBB Pro Colette
m chest tris calves
t back abs
w shoulders calves
th bis and tris abs
fri Legs calves
Sat Off
Sunday off
Supplements I am on glucosamine and chondrotin and using wtf from alri and superpump from gaspari right now as far as anabolics it is dry right now and I honestly am taking a break from them for a few. I got a bad bottle and my body started breaking out and more than I care for right now not bad but I never broke out after my teen years. I will continue to grow and be honest unlike so many here who lie. If you have a question just ask I'll answer it
Man, don't take offense Billy but that is a lot more food than I expected you to be eating! But why cut out the startches at night if you are trying to grow?? And why no waxiy maize after your workout, whey and PB? PB is a bad choice post workout because of slower digestion and no carbs is weird. Must be a DAVE P. thing, no?
Don't take any shit from anyone, took guts getting up there at the O. They are just jealous they don't have the balls to do it.
Gotta love the taste of WTF, yummy.... :-X
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Man, don't take offense Billy but that is a lot more food than I expected you to be eating! But why cut out the startches at night if you are trying to grow?? And why no waxiy maize after your workout, whey and PB? PB is a bad choice post workout because of slower digestion and no carbs is weird. Must be a DAVE P. thing, no?
Don't take any shit from anyone, took guts getting up there at the O. They are just jealous they don't have the balls to do it.
Gotta love the taste of WTF, yummy.... :-X
I wanna grow but not just get fat...I do use waxy maize post workout sorry got two shakes in wrong spot I got the 10 am and the 6 pm shkaes backwards...my bad sorry
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Maybe you dont like the guy but I see no reason to flame here. All he did was ask/state a simple post trying to contribute to the board and the guy gets flamed?? I dont really know BGuns, have seem he has made a name for himself but the dude is not coming on here starting shit, so why should people here do that to him?
I agree. Just like everyone on this section of the board, (excluding a few bad apples) we're all here to learn, to help each other out. Not just when it comes to the physical part but hopefully we all grow a little bit as people as well...this only happens though through constant positive encouragement.
So what if Billy uses AAS...maybe you think he shouldn't, maybe you think he should...really it doesn't matter. If he has a question or comment about these things, then I say by all means, let him speak his mind.
As for the claims of "no don't use gear, you're not ready, you should reset your natural levels, etc." I say bullshit! First off, once you've used, there is no more normal, there is no changing this fact. Further, it's part of the game, like it or not.
Last off, on Billy's posted diet...looks about right IMO. Of course you knew I'd say that since the same guy that tells him what to eat tells Arnold jr. what to eat, lol!
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I agree. Just like everyone on this section of the board, (excluding a few bad apples) we're all here to learn, to help each other out. Not just when it comes to the physical part but hopefully we all grow a little bit as people as well...this only happens though through constant positive encouragement.
So what if Billy uses AAS...maybe you think he shouldn't, maybe you think he should...really it doesn't matter. If he has a question or comment about these things, then I say by all means, let him speak his mind.
As for the claims of "no don't use gear, you're not ready, you should reset your natural levels, etc." I say bullshit! First off, once you've used, there is no more normal, there is no changing this fact. Further, it's part of the game, like it or not.
Last off, on Billy's posted diet...looks about right IMO. Of course you knew I'd say that since the same guy that tells him what to eat tells Arnold jr. what to eat, lol!
Nice post bro.
I agree completely who cares about Billy's diet? The real question is: Does it work for him? If it does then great. If not then he needs to change it.
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I wanna grow but not just get fat...I do use waxy maize post workout sorry got two shakes in wrong spot I got the 10 am and the 6 pm shkaes backwards...my bad sorry
...all good man, looks solid...just trying to throw my .2 cents in.
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I agree. Just like everyone on this section of the board, (excluding a few bad apples) we're all here to learn, to help each other out. Not just when it comes to the physical part but hopefully we all grow a little bit as people as well...this only happens though through constant positive encouragement.
So what if Billy uses AAS...maybe you think he shouldn't, maybe you think he should...really it doesn't matter. If he has a question or comment about these things, then I say by all means, let him speak his mind.
As for the claims of "no don't use gear, you're not ready, you should reset your natural levels, etc." I say bullshit! First off, once you've used, there is no more normal, there is no changing this fact. Further, it's part of the game, like it or not.
Last off, on Billy's posted diet...looks about right IMO. Of course you knew I'd say that since the same guy that tells him what to eat tells Arnold jr. what to eat, lol!
Thanks
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"Not just when it comes to the physical part but hopefully we all grow a little bit as people as well...this only happens though through constant positive encouragement."
Im no Doctor Phil im saying it how it is imo. Maybe this isnt the right place for it then sorry im new on here. I think Billy needs to mature into his training and ego before he starts taking gear. He asked a question and that was my advice to him im you think my advice is incorrect then you allowed to think that. Billy has a distorted mirror image and if you guys think he should carry on juicing cool let him carry on and in 10 year time he will be 5 pounds bigger physically and 50 pounds bigger mentally.
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"Not just when it comes to the physical part but hopefully we all grow a little bit as people as well...this only happens though through constant positive encouragement."
Im no Doctor Phil im saying it how it is imo. Maybe this isnt the right place for it then sorry im new on here. I think Billy needs to mature into his training and ego before he starts taking gear. He asked a question and that was my advice to him im you think my advice is incorrect then you allowed to think that. Billy has a distorted mirror image and if you guys think he should carry on juicing cool let him carry on and in 10 year time he will be 5 pounds bigger physically and 50 pounds bigger mentally.
And you have met me and talked to me right? So how can u make this claim? move on!
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"Not just when it comes to the physical part but hopefully we all grow a little bit as people as well...this only happens though through constant positive encouragement."
Im no Doctor Phil im saying it how it is imo. Maybe this isnt the right place for it then sorry im new on here. I think Billy needs to mature into his training and ego before he starts taking gear. He asked a question and that was my advice to him im you think my advice is incorrect then you allowed to think that. Billy has a distorted mirror image and if you guys think he should carry on juicing cool let him carry on and in 10 year time he will be 5 pounds bigger physically and 50 pounds bigger mentally.
Doctor Phil...well, if it makes you feel any better, I think Doc Phil is full of crap, lol!
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I think people need to asses what they are doing with these drugs and if there is continuing progress/benefit in what and why they are using them. Coming completely off and resetting all systems periodically is a very good idea. esp if they want a family some day.
Thing is, many guys never are "Off" even when they think they are.
A look at how long stuff takes to clear on that PCT chart after a long run is illustrative. It dont even take into account the 1/2 life of clomid.
Coming off is also not all that unpleasant if done with regard to duration of action of the compounds & estrogenic conversion.
People need to be honest with themselfs.