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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bobby on September 14, 2007, 01:11:43 AM
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Wonder what gh15 thinks...
Discuss :o
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Martinez:
Best back and arms. Worst quads and waist.
Wolf:
Best waist and quad sweep.
Freeman:
2nd best in all categories. But thicker than Dennis and taller too.
I pretty much agree except I would say Freeman has better lines than Wolf, and his arms are more pleasing because they aren't dwarfed by his delts...I may be biased though, since I just took some NO Shotgun. ;D
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That pic of Freeman is sick ! Damn !
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from those pictures i prefer the x man myself
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Victor Martinez, in my opinion, has odd looking Bodyparts which make him look ( dare I say ) blocky, in a way ... I just don't like how his physique flows, yet I like his Muscle bellies ... very FULL and round ! Has problems with conditioning though from time and time. :-\
Dennis Wolf has a lot of size as well as OVERALL potential ( especially for his age ! ), however, his Arms would come in 3rd with this lineup. Very " Levrone-ish ". Great Delts and Thighs though ! Great thick, wide back despite the High insertions. Wolf certainly comes in SHREDDED AS HELL which definitely gives him the nod over Martinez, in my opinion. Better lines as well ... a much better flow to his physique.
What can you say about Toney Freeman ? He looks amazing ! Thick as hell, wide as hell, and shredded as fuck ! Much better lines than the other 2 as well and MUCH, MUCH better Muscle maturity ( granted, he is older than the other 2 ) !
So, as follows :
1. Toney Freeman
2. Dennis Wolf
3. Victor Martinez
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martinez: on that picture third. not ripped at all, wolf has better quads.
wolf: numero uno - that's ripped and that's a line (except the calves, but you can become 8 times mr o without calves)
freeman: second
only regarding on these pictures. in reality i would say martinez has to be 100% in shape (i personally think he always has a small water problem) to be first. with 95% i give him the second behind wolf. freeman a very good third one!
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Man you really can't go wrong with either, but if i had to chose i would probably say the Xman as long as that Pec is not to bad. Wolf is getting better in leaps and bounds though so he may just blow everyone including the Xman away. Vic's waist is starting to be a problem with me, but i think when he is truly "on" he would be very hard to beat for these guys because his individual body parts are very strong....as i said you really can't go wrong with either though 8).
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top 5 olympia material?
Do/will they beat: Chris Cormier, Dexter Jackson, Melvin Anthony, Gustavo Badell, Markus Ruhl, Dennis James, Gunter Schlierkamp, Darrem Charles.
Top 10 will be interesting...
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gh15 sees dennif wolf in the mirror every morning.
and he's making quite a campaign for him, eh? ;)
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Toney owns them
Dennis is a close second
Victor has ruined his waist and his lines
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Toney owns them
Dennis is a close second
Victor has ruined his waist and his lines
Yawn
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Yawn
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All three are really very good but you have to look at what they lack , because each has thier own version of the 'wow' factor. (eg: Victor's Back)
1. Victor- Only flaw is his calves, but in the pic here they look alright
2. Dennis- Uberweak calves plus weak back/high lats (both genetic)
3. Toney- Pec Torn
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i have to go with dennis...
i would say freeman if he had not tored his chest
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I was doing my unofficial olympia predictions yesturday and I have Vic in the top 4, Toney will be around 6th and the best wolf can do at this olympia is 8th IMO...so there's your answer...take that to the bank ;D ;D ;D
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I was doing my unofficial olympia predictions yesturday and I have Vic in the top 4, Toney will be around 6th and the best wolf can do at this olympia is 8th IMO...so there's your answer...take that to the bank ;D ;D ;D
I would've placed Wolfe even lower than 8 because his quads and calves are really lacking in mass (relatively speaking, of course)
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I would've placed Wolfe even lower than 8 because his quads and calves are really lacking in mass (relatively speaking, of course)
Lacking mass in his quads? You are either blind or retarded. Maybe both.
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I would've placed Wolfe even lower than 8 because his quads and calves are really lacking in mass (relatively speaking, of course)
he's got alot of momentum, I picked Branch in 8th a couple of years ago and he ended up there, I put Freeman in 8th last year and he was 7th so for some reason I can call who's gonna be 8th. I've got Rockel in the top 10 as well...my spidey sense is tingling on that one.
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Lacking mass in his quads? You are either blind or retarded. Maybe both.
Perhaps you should learn to read before running your mouth. Note that I said "relatively speaking"--"relatively" meaning relative to the mass in his upper body and relative to the quad mass of other top 10 contenders.
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he's got alot of momentum, I picked Branch in 8th a couple of years ago and he ended up there, I put Freeman in 8th last year and he was 7th so for some reason I can call who's gonna be 8th. I've got Rockel in the top 10 as well...my spidey sense is tingling on that one.
You've got a pretty good sense for that. If I had 500 bucks to blow, I'd paypal it to ya and hire you as my bookie ;D
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Perhaps you should learn to read before running your mouth. Note that I said "relatively speaking"--"relatively" meaning relative to the mass in his upper body and relative to the quad mass of other top 10 contenders.
You are relatively retarded. Of course there are people more retarded, but you definately are up there!
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he's got alot of momentum, I picked Branch in 8th a couple of years ago and he ended up there, I put Freeman in 8th last year and he was 7th so for some reason I can call who's gonna be 8th. I've got Rockel in the top 10 as well...my spidey sense is tingling on that one.
You mean prostate?
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You are relatively retarded. Of course there are people more retarded, but you definately are up there!
"definately" ???
And you call ME retarded ::)
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"definately" ???
And you call ME retarded ::)
Oops, forgot the spell check there. Spell check can't fix mental retardation, so I am still much better off than you!
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Oops, forgot the spell check there. Spell check can't fix mental retardation, so I am still much better off than you!
Why are you stalking me?
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All three are really very good but you have to look at what they lack , because each has thier own version of the 'wow' factor. (eg: Victor's Back)
1. Victor- Only flaw is his calves, but in the pic here they look alright
2. Dennis- Uberweak calves plus weak back/high lats (both genetic)
3. Toney- Pec Torn
not true, victors arms and god knows what else if full of oil.
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Why are you stalking me?
Yes, like that youtube wierdo chris crocker is stalking britney spears. Anyhow, Victor will win the olympia! Its about time the show rewards whoever is the best on that day, and the IFBB gets rid of the retarded "got to knock the champ out if you want to beat him" bullshit.
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i can't believe how someone can say wolfs quads are wack hahaha
his quads are some of the best
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I'd say Wolf but I can see arguments for Freeman. Martinez is nowhere near as good with that horrible gut of his and as someone pointed out he does have odd muscles that don't fit together.
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Wolf following very closely by Freeman with Martinez coming in third. Martinez is to squat and boxy.
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Victor 1st. Toney 2nd and Dennis doesn't belong in that conversation, at least not yet. Those guys are top 5. Dennis will be struggling to make top 10 because of his back.
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everyone who is important in terms of judging wants Vic to succeed for some reason so he'll be top 4 if he comes in looking decent, The only way he can blow it is if he's way off. He'll probably beat Dexter even if he shouldn't. Freeman is great but I don't see him beating Dex, Vic, Ronnie or Jay even if technically he should. The best he can hope for is 5th and that's if Melvin is off which from what I hear isn't gonna happen. I think Freeman can beat Gustavo at the O, I never really liked what Gustavo brought to the table and his stock has been falling for awhile now.
wolf will be 7-9th place, probably ending up in 8th, that's where most "hot" first year guys end up...and I know he was there last year but this is the first time he has a "name" going into the O.
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top 5 olympia material?
Do/will they beat: Chris Cormier, Dexter Jackson, Melvin Anthony, Gustavo Badell, Markus Ruhl, Dennis James, Gunter Schlierkamp, Darrem Charles.
Top 10 will be interesting...
Xman has xed everyone except - out of the line up - except for Melvin and jackson -he has xed and has yet to compete with cormier.
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toney freeman
period.
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everyone who is important in terms of judging wants Vic to succeed for some reason so he'll be top 4 if he comes in looking decent, The only way he can blow it is if he's way off. He'll probably beat Dexter even if he shouldn't. Freeman is great but I don't see him beating Dex, Vic, Ronnie or Jay even if technically he should. The best he can hope for is 5th and that's if Melvin is off which from what I hear isn't gonna happen. I think Freeman can beat Gustavo at the O, I never really liked what Gustavo brought to the table and his stock has been falling for awhile now.
wolf will be 7-9th place, probably ending up in 8th, that's where most "hot" first year guys end up...and I know he was there last year but this is the first time he has a "name" going into the O.
Toney is Ready
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Victor when he is in his best condition.
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Victor when he is in his best condition.
that was years ago... now he has huge slin handles
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that was years ago... now he has huge slin handles
Check him out at the MD website under MDTV. In the last clip when he takes his shirt off he looked incredible. If Ronnie isn't bringing then Victor officially has the best back in bb.
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Freeman 09/07
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Freeman 09/07
LIGHTS OUT :o
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LIGHTS OUT :o
PRECISELY !