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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: thewickedtruth on September 17, 2007, 11:48:37 AM
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do they really do much? I've noticed they're hard as hell even with lighter weight...but do they do about as much good as dumbbell kickbacks? If' so i'm dropping them...but they make my tri's sore as hell!
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do 'em with two hands and a heavy ass dumbbell, those always get me sore as shit, use a 130 pound or heavier db.
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do 'em with two hands and a heavy ass dumbbell, those always get me sore as shit, use a 130 pound or heavier db.
my jew jerk gym doesn't go over 125's. It's why I'm not dumbbell pressing more than that already. ;D
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my jew jerk gym doesn't go over 125's. It's why I'm not dumbbell pressing more than that already. ;D
that's heavy enough if you're getting sets of 10-12 and full range reps.
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that's heavy enough if you're getting sets of 10-12 and full range reps.
I was doing 160lbs and more with laying skull crushers...
and doing it with a dumbbell feels just like skull crushers which is what I think is another name for your exercise that you're describing..that bothered the fuck out of my elbow.
I'm hoping doing it unilaterally will help make up teh half inch difference in my left arm vs. my right.
and remember..those where laying skull crushers...i didn't hafta support the weight each rep, I'd rest it behind me on teh floor and reset each rep. I think I tried to go too heavy too fast and ended up irritating some bullshit in there. :-\ >:(
what do you think about doing them seated with a rop or straight bar extension one the cable? ???
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I was doing 160lbs and more with laying skull crushers...
and doing it with a dumbbell feels just like skull crushers which is what I think is another name for your exercise that you're describing..that bothered the fuck out of my elbow.
I'm hoping doing it unilaterally will help make up teh half inch difference in my left arm vs. my right.
and remember..those where laying skull crushers...i didn't hafta support the weight each rep, I'd rest it behind me on teh floor and reset each rep. I think I tried to go too heavy too fast and ended up irritating some bullshit in there. :-\ >:(
what do you think about doing them seated with a rop or straight bar extension one the cable? ???
All of them are really good moves. I personally am using overhead DB extensions again as it seems like the easiest way to get your mind connected to the triceps and I think there is more tendency to cheat during skullcrushers, but both are great for bulking. It's easy to get strong on overhead DB extensions but if you lower the weight and concentrate on slow reps with a good squeeze, you will feel the difference. As far as cables go, look up some of the posts in the training log area about Larry Scott. His ideas about do kneeling cable extensions can jump start some growth with the added tension of cables that the muscles might not be used to.
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I FIND THE ONE ARM DUMBELL VERSION TO WORK THE TRIS EXCELLENT.
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db extensions are superior to kick backs imo, because you can get good stimulation of the long head of the tris with decent weight.
the further you bring the elbow back behind your head, the more stretch on the long head of the tris. i'd be careful of this though and use weight you can handle, especially if you haven't done them before, because you can easily tear the long head this way.
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Dumbbell overhead extensions are great. They feel better on my tris than anything else.
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If your doing overhead DB tricep extensions with two hands than your doing a French press, which can be better served when using a EZ bar for a lot of reasons. One arm DB extensions are a great exercise for mass and also insuring that both triceps get equal development in size and strength. Gives better balance to both arms so one does not appear larger than the other (though by nature one arm may be a slight larger/stronger that the other). It may or may not be a good tricep exercise but it's rare to see any one doing tricep kick-backs for muscle mass.
There is the strict version where the bicep is pretty much held/pressed against the side of the head and the DB lowered close to the back of the head towards the opposite side of the shoulder. Takes more flexability, with more focus & stretch on the triceps. Some will have a training partner press and hold the working arm against the side of the head each rep. Or lean against a wall, piece of equipment,etc to keep the exercised arm tight against the side of the head.
The other version is to lower the DB straight behind you. Some guy's will have the elbows pretty much pointing up in the air while others have the elbows a little more than a 90 degree angle, touching the delts every rep. Any version can use cable's
Seen some guy's who work with a training partner, use a strap (judo belts are good...thick and strong) rather than a DB/BB. Having the partner behind him (usually sitting) and apply resistance (both ways..positive and negative...keeping the resistance on while fighting the negative pull back by the partner) while the BB'ers does full tricep extensions. Some of the more outstanding pumps I have ever seen are accomplished this way. If anyone have never experience doing positive/negative resistance in the same exercise, they are in for a big surprise. Though most of the time these strap/bely tricep extensions are done while laying face down on a mat or bench, rather than standing. If ever doing positive/negative tricep extensions (can work well with the biceps...trainee is lying down on a mat, bench,etc for best angle) have it as the only exercise for whatever muscle group being worked. Good Luck.
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My gyms d-bells only go up to 130, so for behind the head tricep presses i use the short barbell-i think its 25 pounds and put 2 45 pound plates on each side and work triceps with those.
I also usually do skull crushers with 315 pounds, just quarter reps though.
;D
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If your doing overhead DB tricep extensions with two hands than your doing a French press, which can be better served when using a EZ bar for a lot of reasons. One arm DB extensions are a great exercise for mass and also insuring that both triceps get equal development in size and strength. Gives better balance to both arms so one does not appear larger than the other (though by nature one arm may be a slight larger/stronger that the other). It may or may not be a good tricep exercise but it's rare to see any one doing tricep kick-backs for muscle mass.
There is the strict version where the bicep is pretty much held/pressed against the side of the head and the DB lowered close to the back of the head towards the opposite side of the shoulder. Takes more flexability, with more focus & stretch on the triceps. Some will have a training partner press and hold the working arm against the side of the head each rep. Or lean against a wall, piece of equipment,etc to keep the exercised arm tight against the side of the head.
The other version is to lower the DB straight behind you. Some guy's will have the elbows pretty much pointing up in the air while others have the elbows a little more than a 90 degree angle, touching the delts every rep. Any version can use cable's
Seen some guy's who work with a training partner, use a strap (judo belts are good...thick and strong) rather than a DB/BB. Having the partner behind him (usually sitting) and apply resistance (both ways..positive and negative...keeping the resistance on while fighting the negative pull back by the partner) while the BB'ers does full tricep extensions. Some of the more outstanding pumps I have ever seen are accomplished this way. If anyone have never experience doing positive/negative resistance in the same exercise, they are in for a big surprise. Though most of the time these strap/bely tricep extensions are done while laying face down on a mat or bench, rather than standing. If ever doing positive/negative tricep extensions (can work well with the biceps...trainee is lying down on a mat, bench,etc for best angle) have it as the only exercise for whatever muscle group being worked. Good Luck.
Brevity man, brevity. This is ponderous.
As far as E-Z bar better than DB, nah that's totally personal preference. ;) As far as the term french press that's widely misused for various exercises, just like skulls. Better to stick with the term extensions-lying, seated, etc.
As far as elbow positioning i've said for years that it doesn't matter, don't worry about it.
Straps are a good idea, much like using a towel to pump up. Nice for a change, but the downside that wasn't mentioned is that there's no way to gauge resistance so neither straps or towels can really form a regular part of the routine-sue resistance bands for the same effect that includes the ability to control resistance.
Whether they work or not you have to decide for yourself. Try different variations and see what hits that spot, that's what to use. That includes kickbacks.
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Any one is free to try a set of 10 reps of positive/negative resistance in the same set. Than learn for yourself how effective it can be over a weight used (BB/DB/Cables) If you need to gage any exercise by the weight/pounds use (and not the force of resistance), than you may be missing the whole point of building muscle mass.
Elbow position is very important, liken to the grip position on most exercises. Close, middle or wide elbow involvement can change the dynamic of any exercise. And also reduce and avoid potential joint injuries in some exercises.
Using an EZ bar will limit the awkwardness of using a DB when heavier weight is required. A EZ bar will also limit the danger of hitting ones head with a extending DB plate and not force the should joints too far back to avoid hitting the rear skull, as a DB might. I am in limited favor of DB tricep extensions (both hands) and they do have a part in any tricep program. But when the DB gets over 150+ it just becomes a pain in the arse. Unless your working with a training partner who can hoist that DB into position without swearing at you. Why waste a lot of energy just to get a DB into position when that energy could be better use on the actual exercise it's self? Good Luck.
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im calling bullshit on these 130-140 pound dumbbell tricep extensions, not only would that be very awkward-but it would also be stupid as it would destroy your elbow joints.
This is an exercise where its not realistic to use a lot of weight if you stick to dbells.
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im calling bullshit on these 130-140 pound dumbbell tricep extensions, not only would that be very awkward-but it would also be stupid as it would destroy your elbow joints.
This is an exercise where its not realistic to use a lot of weight if you stick to dbells.
THey're talking the two handed version..also called skull crushers to some. No one moves that kinda wieght like that one handed PERIOD!
40lbs makes my fucking tri's sore for days and I know it's them and not the close grips because I was doing htem before and dind't have this kinda burn in them after.
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THey're talking the two handed version..also called skull crushers to some. No one moves that kinda wieght like that one handed PERIOD!
40lbs makes my fucking tri's sore for days and I know it's them and not the close grips because I was doing htem before and dind't have this kinda burn in them after.
Better to use extensions to describe, skulls aren't the same thing and aren't of much value either, IMO besides being dangerous.
140 lb. two-hand seated extensions aren't too heavy for some and won't hurt the elbows if a good warmup's included, if moderate reps are used, if there's not any bouncing, rests between sets are a minute or less to keep the area warm and if the individual doesn't feel any pain-varies from person to person there's no general rule on this hurting the elbows, not at all.
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im calling bullshit on these 130-140 pound dumbbell tricep extensions, not only would that be very awkward-but it would also be stupid as it would destroy your elbow joints.
This is an exercise where its not realistic to use a lot of weight if you stick to dbells.
i wasn't talking about one handed extensions but two handed extensions which are very doable for most men to work up to eventually.
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oh ok, my bad. I thought you were talking about triceps kickbacks, i usually only go up to 80-90 pound dumb-bells on those. Im sure wicked goes heavier.
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oh ok, my bad. I thought you were talking about triceps kickbacks, i usually only go up to 80-90 pound dumb-bells on those. Im sure wicked goes heavier.
you do 80-90 pound kickbacks?
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HAHAHAHAHA.
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oh ok, my bad. I thought you were talking about triceps kickbacks, i usually only go up to 80-90 pound dumb-bells on those. Im sure wicked goes heavier.
lmfao I actually used to do 80lbs kickbacks and they didn't do shit...it's why I haven't done them in god knows how long.
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there is absolutely no way squadfather can do any more than 85 lbs. 130's yeah fucking right.
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I have always liked dumbell overhead extensions.my gyms dumbells only go to 130 but for me thats enough,especially if I'm trying to do a set of 10.
but it can be a pain in the ass getting the weight up to start.
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but it can be a pain in the ass getting the weight up to start.
Ya, another good reason to brace your back against a pad with a flat surface on it to rest the DB before using it.
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Ya, another good reason to brace your back against a pad with a flat surface on it to rest the DB before using it.
thats how i do them.
i just got done with a tri's bi's workout, and i did these...
i warmed up with the 80
moveed to the 90 for another warm up
then did three working sets with the 100 for about 8-10 reps per set.
like i said...no way sf could do the 130's.
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thats how i do them.
i just got done with a tri's bi's workout, and i did these...
i warmed up with the 80
moveed to the 90 for another warm up
then did three working sets with the 100 for about 8-10 reps per set.
like i said...no way sf could do the 130's.
lets see your picture. :D
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thats how i do them.
i just got done with a tri's bi's workout, and i did these...
i warmed up with the 80
moveed to the 90 for another warm up
then did three working sets with the 100 for about 8-10 reps per set.
like i said...no way sf could do the 130's.
even if he's not shredded..dave's still a big dude. And anyone who lifts on the regular shouldn't have any problem doing a two handed over head dumbbell movement with that kinda weight.
speaking of which... did you try your deads after your squats the other day SF?!
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This is a good movement to get caught up in the weight but that only leads to shoulder and elbow problems. Focus on the muscle contracting and 90 lbs can feel like 150. If you get to the point where you can do 150 lb DB with ease (in terms of contracting the muscle, not moving the weight) then load up an EZ bar like JPM said. Lee Priest used to go up to 200 lbs with these but now look at his elbow problems. I doubt he goes above 140-150 these days, if that.
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If the reps are kept moderate or high, the amount of weight's irrelevant and won't cause problems if coupled with a good warmup.
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even if he's not shredded..dave's still a big dude. And anyone who lifts on the regular shouldn't have any problem doing a two handed over head dumbbell movement with that kinda weight.
speaking of which... did you try your deads after your squats the other day SF?!
yeah i did, got a double with 550 from mid shin, it's a pain in the ass because we have a shitty rack on which the holes don't start until almost two feet off the floor so i had to stand on 3 45 pound plates to get the right starting position.
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I've heard that over heads the best exerise to hit the tris. I've given up on them b/c there a pian to get up to to your shoulder when you train alone.. I've seen when back to the sull crunchers. you lift it.
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i did them today after inclines and close grips, didnt go very heavy - just a lot of reps. It is awkward-i wouldnt try to max out on this lift-injury waiting to happen. It does really hit the triceps though, good exercise for long head triceps along with skull crushers.
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I've heard that over heads the best exerise to hit the tris. I've given up on them b/c there a pian to get up to to your shoulder when you train alone.. I've seen when back to the sull crunchers. you lift it.
i did them today after inclines and close grips, didnt go very heavy - just a lot of reps. It is awkward-i wouldnt try to max out on this lift-injury waiting to happen. It does really hit the triceps though, good exercise for long head triceps along with skull crushers.
This is where using a more moderate weight for better and slower reps. Stick to 90-100 lbs, do 10-12 reps and make them slow and focus on the contraction. You should be able to kick that heavy of a DB into place.
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Would MR 550 for Doubles care to produce a video of that lift. He seems to be so caught up in others producing a truth detector, than he should lead by visual example. Setting his own high standard for the rest of us to follow. And not a pic of the reflection of the Philsbury Doughboy wearing a skirt.
If MR 550 for Doubles would invest in some heavy planks for better footing and adjustment he would not have to use those 45's. Or he could place a few planks on the floor,under the BB to be lifted, to raise it to the height he wanted. Most PR's I have seen have the pin settings (holes) start about a foot to a foot and a half from the bottom postion. No reason to start any lower.
If MR 550 for Doubles would ever visit a heavy duty gym he may get an idea of how to use lifting equipment the correct way. Good Luck.
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Would MR 550 for Doubles care to produce a video of that lift. He seems to be so caught up in others producing a truth detector, than he should lead by visual example. Setting his own high standard for the rest of us to follow. And not a pic of the reflection of the Philsbury Doughboy wearing a skirt.
If MR 550 for Doubles would invest in some heavy planks for better footing and adjustment he would not have to use those 45's. Or he could place a few planks on the floor,under the BB to be lifted, to raise it to the height he wanted. Most PR's I have seen have the pin settings (holes) start about a foot to a foot and a half from the bottom postion. No reason to start any lower.
If MR 550 for Doubles would ever visit a heavy duty gym he may get an idea of how to use lifting equipment the correct way. Good Luck.
hahahahhaa, you're obsessed with me pusssy ;D when are you going to post your picture? :D
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yeah i did, got a double with 550 from mid shin, it's a pain in the ass because we have a shitty rack on which the holes don't start until almost two feet off the floor so i had to stand on 3 45 pound plates to get the right starting position.
you like it better? or you sticking with what you were doing before instead?
yeah I hafta stand on one of those support board plastic things which, everytime I pick up anything heavy, i'm scared is going to collapse from under me.
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you like it better? or you sticking with what you were doing before instead?
yeah I hafta stand on one of those support board plastic things which, everytime I pick up anything heavy, i'm scared is going to collapse from under me.
yeah i'm gonna stick with that for awhile and see how it goes, lower back felt good and warmed up by the squats, it's been about 6 months since i pulled anything serious as far as deadlfits go, i had been sticking with barbell rows.
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thats how i do them.
i just got done with a tri's bi's workout, and i did these...
i warmed up with the 80
moveed to the 90 for another warm up
then did three working sets with the 100 for about 8-10 reps per set.
like i said...no way sf could do the 130's.
Why are you impersonating the real "candidate"? I outed you on the Mr Getbig Board. I am not going to let you get away with this shit and enter the MGB as a troll. >:(
P.S. Squadfather's right arm has more muscle mass than your entire body, troll boy.
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Why are you impersonating the real "candidate"? I outed you on the Mr Getbig Board. I am not going to let you get away with this shit and enter the MGB as a troll. >:(
P.S. Squadfather's right arm has more muscle mass than your entire body, troll boy.
hahahhaa, he claimed he did reps on overhead extensions one time with a 120 pound bell with these arms. ;D
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hahahhaa, he claimed he did reps on overhead extensions one time with a 120 pound bell with these arms. ;D
120 grams maybe ;D
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I can do a 110 lber for 10 so I believe SF doing 130 lbs.
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I can do a 110 lber for 10 so I believe SF doing 130 lbs.
that's damn good cap, most of the time i do close grip benches, lying extensions and pushdowns but every once in a while i'll do overheads as a change, not kidding Cap that's awesome, very rarely see guys using a 110 for that type of rep range.
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that's damn good cap, most of the time i do close grip benches, lying extensions and pushdowns but every once in a while i'll do overheads as a change, not kidding Cap that's awesome, very rarely see guys using a 110 for that type of rep range.
Thanks man. I took a while off of them doing the same as you, except dips instead of presses, but I am back to them again.
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I think i could put up some heavy poundages on those if i started my workout with them, but by the time i get to dumbbell extensions ive done close grip bench and inclines-my triceps are already pretty fried. I just recently started doing them though after reading this shitty thread ;D
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I think i could put up some heavy poundages on those if i started my workout with them, but by the time i get to dumbbell extensions ive done close grip bench and inclines-my triceps are already pretty fried. I just recently started doing them though after reading this shitty thread ;D
Give it a try. The body will always adapt. I do mine after having done seated BB presses and weighted dips. It is really beneficial as many have stated. Like Pumpster has said, the long head is really the meat of the tricep complex and frankly the most underdeveloped IMO. I see many guys curling or doing pressdowns and it looks like their long head is not existent.
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ill go heavier every week, one issue with me is always rotator cuff safety-im not going to be an asshole and try to do 150's and rip something in my shoulder. Ill see how much i can do after doing them a few weeks increasing every time. I havent done them ince i was 18, and just started doing them again after reading this shitty thread ;D
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overhead db exts are a great tricep builder,throw in skull crushers and narrow grips,and you got a great routine.throw the kickbacks in the trash they suck.
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ill go heavier every week, one issue with me is always rotator cuff safety-im not going to be an asshole and try to do 150's and rip something in my shoulder. Ill see how much i can do after doing them a few weeks increasing every time. I havent done them ince i was 18, and just started doing them again after reading this shitty thread ;D
I have a similar problem. Be careful with the cuff injury and use less weight with more reps. I'd even do overhead cable extensions if you have a serious problem.