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into Israel a peacefull no conflict protest think Gandhi on a grand scale, do you think America could justify than to give Israel money and weapons?
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into Israel a peacefull no conflict protest think Gandhi on a grand scale, do you think America could justify than to give Israel money and weapons?
That would be the perfect chance to kill them all so they'd stop bitchng about settlments on Jewish land. :)
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That would be the perfect chance to kill them all so they'd stop bitchng about settlments on Jewish land. :)
Jewish land? read up educate yourself
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Jewish land? read up educate yourself
Muslim land? read up educate yourself
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U beat me to it Nordic. ;D How about their muslim brothers giving up some dirt in either Jordan or Syria. i won't hold my breath.
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U beat me to it Nordic. ;D How about their muslim brothers giving up some dirt in either Jordan or Syria. i won't hold my breath.
Not to mention: how exactly did muslims come to inhabit the holy lands? Was it through peace and love?
No, tactics beyond the scope of any evil Israel has ever used.
German boy, read some factual history books and stop believing what your muslim empowering socialist regime tells you to believe.
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Not to mention: how exactly did muslims come to inhabit the holy lands? Was it through peace and love?
No, tactics beyond the scope of any evil Israel has ever used.
German boy, read some factual history books and stop believing what your muslim empowering socialist regime tells you to believe.
Ok "Nordic Superman"... I'm sure I find you posting at Stormfront right?
Fact is Palestine was established a long looong time before the first Jewish setters "claimed" their land. ::)
661-750 after Christ was born to be precise...ok?
And the first wave of Jewish settlers arrived when again? 1882-1904
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It doesn't suprise me that you're not that clever ::)
Fact is Palestine was established a long looong time before the first Jewish setters "claimed" their land. ::)
661-750 after Christ was born to be precise...ok?
And the first wave of Jewish settlers arrived when again? 1882-1904
Jews have had affiliation with that part of the world before the existance of islam and it's child molesting prophet.
Read your history books and research exactly how muslims came to be in that part of the world. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", a nice quote from our good friend Jesus.
Rings absolutely true for the muslims of Palestine.
HAHA Jewish settlers? ROFLMAO! You make it sound like the Jews were something like the English Pilgrims who sailed over the atlantic to north america.
Like I said, research why the population of jews was so depleted, prior to the waves of migration after WWII.
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Jews have had affiliation with that part of the world before the existance of islam and it's child molesting prophet.
But fact is they did not had a country they could call their own, they had to ask the british government to "give" them what they fancied.
Read your history books and research exactly how muslims came to be in that part of the world. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", a nice quote from our good friend Jesus. Rings absolutely true for the muslims of Palestine.
What excactly is your point? most of that part has always been been under muslim rule except at the time of the crusades, and how excactly do they deserve to be beaten into submission?
HAHA Jewish settlers? ROFLMAO! You make it sound like the Jews were something like the English Pilgrims who sailed over the atlantic to north america.
Lol but that's what they did ffs, after WW2..
Somewhere in 1918 I think it was the 9 of October British forces occupy Palestine that's a fact, somwhere in 1936 to 1939 was an arab revolt agains the Brits, 1937 a so called peel Commission Report recommends turning Palestine into a Jewish State and an Arab State incorporated into Transjordan, with Jerusalem and Bethlehem placed under the British Mandate, yeah explain that "Nordic Superman" ::)
I know a lot of people don't even know that but there was a war at 1946-1948 between Palestinian and the Jews (of course they were heavily helped by the brits)
And here comes the best: 1947 at the 29 November to be precice The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine recommends the Partition of Palestine (UN General Assembly Resolution 181) into an Arab state and a Jewish state, and that Jerusalem and its environs be internationalized without consultation with Palestinians.
Like I said, research why the population of jews was so depleted, prior to the waves of migration after WWII.
I think you need to read up a little and stop pretending you know everything ok?
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My point is that the muslims in that area of the world came to be via conquest techniques to acquire the land.
They haven't always been there. Why do you think there's a MOSQUE on Temple Mount?
Like I said, read the history of the area.
The British prior to socialism were almost exclusively infallible :-*
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My point is that the muslims in that area of the world came to be via conquest techniques to acquire the land.
They haven't always been there. Why do you think there's a MOSQUE on Temple Mount?
Like I said, read the history of the area.
The British prior to socialism were almost exclusively infallible :-*
So you are saying just because the area was always under conflict that gives the British Government the right to take part of Palestine away from their rightfull owners and give it to a bunch of people that have had an understandable hard time during WW2?
And how exactly do they explain to the world that at the end of the 1948 war, Israel extended its holdings of Palestine, and now controls 78% of it rather than the 56%.
56% that was allocated by the UN Partition Plan at 1947?
You can pull it what ever way you want it, but the original aggressor in that region are the people controlling the Israeli Government and further down the military.
I'm in full believe that most of the Israelis would prefer a normal peacefull life and if that means giving back the extra land they took back in 47 when nobody looked too close than so be it.
There is quit a good game out there called Peacemaker, I recommend you having a look at it, it's a serious game.
http://www.peacemakergame.com/
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FFS... my point is: WHO IS THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS?
Read the history of how muslims gained controlled the land, do you think it was peaceful? Why are they the rightful owners? Why aren't the massacred Jews prior to islamic crusades the rightful owners?
How clear do I have to be?
Extensions to the area of land were often a result war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_conflict
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FFS... my point is: WHO IS THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS?
Read the history of how muslims gained controlled the land, do you think it was peaceful? Why are they the rightful owners? Why aren't the massacred Jews prior to islamic crusades the rightful owners?
How clear do I have to be?
Extensions to the area of land were often a result war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israeli_conflict
You are missing the point for christ sake, EVERYWHERE on this planet there has been coflicts, does that mean now the American Indians have the right to get arms and get back what was theirs from the bigging? Well that's your argument here.
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You are missing the point for christ sake, EVERYWHERE on this planet there has been coflicts, does that mean now the American Indians have the right to get arms and get back what was theirs from the bigging? Well that's your argument here.
Give me a length of time which makes the captures the owners?
Israel has been there a long time now. Substantially longer than my lifetime.
Please, give me an official number of years until it can undoubtedly be called Jewish land?
It's hard to use the occupation by the Israelis as an point in your argument given the nature of that part of the world, way too many hypocrisies available to attack.
The Indians lost in America, the muslims lost in Israel.
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Give me a length of time which makes the captures the owners?
Israel has been there a long time now. Substantially longer than my lifetime.
Please, give me an official number of years until it can undoubtedly be called Jewish land?
It's hard to use the occupation by the Israelis as an point in your argument given the nature of that part of the world, way too many hypocrisies available to attack.
The Indians lost in America, the muslims lost in Israel.
Why me? You are pounding the idea that what ever has happen thousand and thousand of years ago is relevant today, both the Indians and the palestinans are underdeveloped civilisations and yes if you want to bring it down to loose or win than they lost.
however that does NOT make it right in my eyes and I am educated enough to form my own opinion, thank you, and if you want to sound clever at least make a distinction between Muslims and Palestinians, there is a difference.
It would be downright foolish to assume that Israel would give back all of the land they have taken back in the 40es
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Why me? You are pounding the idea that what ever has happen thousand and thousand of years ago is relevant today, both the Indians and the palestinans are underdeveloped civilisations and yes if you want to bring it down to loose or win than they lost.
however that does NOT make it right in my eyes and I am educated enough to form my own opinion, thank you, and if you want to sound clever at least make a distinction between Muslims and Palestinians, there is a difference.
It would be downright foolish to assume that Israel would give back all of the land they have taken back in the 40es
Thousand and thousand of years ago? Interesting :P
I make the association with islam because palestein's available political parties are islamists. The government is the face of the people.
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Thousand and thousand of years ago? Interesting :P
I make the association with islam because palestein's available political parties are islamists. The government is the face of the people.
muslim is not = Islam smart guy ::)
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muslim is not = Islam smart guy ::)
What I said makes sense.
My fear is you just back the muslim cause because they provide and supply material to appease your sick gore fetish? ???
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What I said makes sense.
My fear is you just back the muslim cause because they provide and supply material to appease your sick gore fetish? ???
Okay the way you stray off topic shows me that you have no more arguments left...bye nice talking to you.
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Okay the way you stray off topic shows me that you have no more arguments left...bye nice talking to you.
::) ???
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Maybe the Jews should have all the land in the midde east. :)
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Based on that idea...I'd be out of a job. I can't believe Stark is defending the rags..christ if the damm Nazi's (Stark aren't u German) hadn't cooked 6 million of em we would not have this problem. U won't find to many people who would defend guys like Custer or some of the atrocities committed against Indian women and children, in this country. So why are u defending the rags against a race of people ur own countrymen tried to wipe out.
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Based on that idea...I'd be out of a job. I can't believe Stark is defending the rags..christ if the damm Nazi's (Stark aren't u German) hadn't cooked 6 million of em we would not have this problem. U won't find to many people who would defend guys like Custer or some of the atrocities committed against Indian women and children, in this country. So why are u defending the rags against a race of people ur own countrymen tried to wipe out.
First what has me being German todo with the Nazis?
Second even if I don't like to talk about people in stereotypical fashion (In a serious discussion) I take a stab in the dark and say with "the rags" you mean "ragheads" as in "Hajjis" as in people who believe and practice the Islam as in Arabs?
Well let me educate you my unknowing friend...
First being German is not = Nazis I know over 20% of you Yanks believe that Hitler is still in power in German but let me assure you that would be quit impossible and would empathize that you yanks would have lost the war.
Moving on: "The Nazis" never had an issue with Muslims... in fact if you want to go back as to WW1 you would have noticed that Turkey (a prominent Muslim country) was German allies... and later on in WW2 the Germans had an alliance with The Serbian chetniks of Draza Mihailovic.
you my illiterate friend mix up the Muslims with the Jews, the once we (sadly) had quit some issues in the past or vice versa.
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Oh I know my history pretty well. The Muslim's in the Balkins actively helped the Nazi's hunt Jews....surprise surprise...my point was simply this...if my people had killed 6 million Jews..I'd shut the hell up about anything to do with them. The Nazi's employed atleast 2 formation recruited from Eastern European muslims. I find your posts defending people who commit a ton of crimes and are eroding Germna life. How long before Turkish muslims control Germany. I like Germany, wonderful country...to bad it will resemble down town Istanbul some day.
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Oh I know my history pretty well. The Muslim's in the Balkins actively helped the Nazi's hunt Jews....surprise surprise...my point was simply this...if my people had killed 6 million Jews..I'd shut the hell up about anything to do with them. The Nazi's employed atleast 2 formation recruited from Eastern European muslims. I find your posts defending people who commit a ton of crimes and are eroding Germna life. How long before Turkish muslims control Germany. I like Germany, wonderful country...to bad it will resemble down town Istanbul some day.
Your post makes my head hurt let's see if we can unrawwle this....
Oh I know my history pretty well. The Muslim's in the Balkins actively helped the Nazi's hunt Jews....
So you say you made a mistake calling Jews "Rags"? Since we never killed 6Million Muslims...or did you mix these up?
if my people had killed 6 million Jews..I'd shut the hell up about anything to do with them.
So because people way back in the past have helped Nazis actively or moraly with the Final sollution and any other crimes commited by that time that makes me guilty as well? So what you are saying is that Guilt is inheritable is that what you mean?
The Nazi's employed atleast 2 formation recruited from Eastern European muslims
Come on admit it you googled it up ;) no shame attached.
I find your posts defending people who commit a ton of crimes and are eroding Germna life.
You find them what excactly? Suprising? Well you need to know the history if Germany and Turkish imigrants the occasional trouble we have living together before you can form an opinion... sadly you have no idea what you are talking about and just repeat what ever you have heard.
I like Germany, wonderful country...to bad it will resemble down town Istanbul some day.
So I think last time I checked we have somewhat around 40 Million Germans living in Germany and 2.4 are Turkish many who have been born in Germany and are more german than turkish... so you see it's not going to happen soon ;)
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Yeah i ment Jews....glad u figured that out. As far as the google part..nope. I did my senior thesis on the Waffen SS. My Great Uncle was a panzer grenadier with the 3rd SS Division and was captured at Kursk. He later died in a POW camp in Russia, always been fascinated by them. I didn't know the names.
I hope it doesn't happen soon..but my point was that ur down playing a major threat to the West. Ur own cops just busted up a ring of these dirtbags.
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Yeah i ment Jews....glad u figured that out. As far as the google part..nope. I did my senior thesis on the Waffen SS. My Great Uncle was a panzer grenadier with the 3rd SS Division and was captured at Kursk. He later died in a POW camp in Russia, always been fascinated by them. I didn't know the names.
I hope it doesn't happen soon..but my point was that ur down playing a major threat to the West. Ur own cops just busted up a ring of these dirtbags.
So you are saying that you Granddad was in the Kampfgruppe Eicke? You are aware of the fact that most of them were Concentration Camp Guards?
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He was captured before Eicke was killed or at the same time. He (Great Uncle)rolled into France and then they got transfered to the East. He was definitly Waffen not general ss. They were Sudeten Germans who heard the call in the mid to late 1930's and resettled outside Stuttgart.
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He was captured before Eicke was killed or at the same time. He (Great Uncle)rolled into France and then they got transfered to the East. He was definitly Waffen not general ss. They were Sudeten Germans who heard the call in the mid to late 1930's and resettled outside Stuttgart.
But here is the problem...Kampfgruppe Eicke was to 99% Deathscull Concentration camp guards... thats what they got infamous for.
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He was 3rd SS Totenkoph which came from the folks u mentioned..anyway here is the order of battle and history.
http://www.feldgrau.com/3ss.html
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He was 3rd SS Totenkoph which came from the folks u mentioned..anyway here is the order of battle and history.
http://www.feldgrau.com/3ss.html
Thanks for the page good read, how ever if you ever ever come to Germany i suggest you don't mention that you Grandad was in the 3rd it's something most people in Germany don't look very favorable, and we are not talking regular Waffen SS (as you know just an elite force and quit understandable why many young man saw the romantic view of joing the Elite of the Elite) we are talking about the 3rd that did some very very naughty things ;)
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But here is the problem...Kampfgruppe Eicke was to 99% Deathscull Concentration camp guards... thats what they got infamous for.
Maybe those people had ADD.
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Maybe those people had ADD.
Attention Deficit Disorder? I would guess these fellows were pretty focused on their job.
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This is what cracks me up. The Jews have been in that area much longer than the Muslims have been, yet their entitled to it and the Jews aren't? Pure gold. Last time the Palestinians had Jerusalem you couldn't go in there without getting murdered. ::)
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This is what cracks me up. The Jews have been in that area much longer than the Muslims have been, yet their entitled to it and the Jews aren't? Pure gold. Last time the Palestinians had Jerusalem you couldn't go in there without getting murdered. ::)
what you mean with have been in that area? As in lifing with other people in the area? that's tru but calling a place their own... nope not true.
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what you mean with have been in that area? As in lifing with other people in the area? that's tru but calling a place their own... nope not true.
Why are the Muslims entitled to that land but the Jews aren't? Judaism was around years before Islam's cherry was even popped. But every Jew is evil and the Muslims are the children of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, last time the Palestinians had complete control of Jerusalem, it was a complete shithole. Couldn't even go in there unless you wanted to risk getting killed.
Maybe the Jews should have all the land in the midde east. :)
Maybe it's time Islam was put to bed! :)
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Why are the Muslims entitled to that land but the Jews aren't? Judaism was around years before Islam's cherry was even popped. But every Jew is evil and the Muslims are the children of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, last time the Palestinians had complete control of Jerusalem, it was a complete shithole. Couldn't even go in there unless you wanted to risk getting killed.
Maybe it's time Islam was put to bed! :)
Okay the Muslims have had that part of the country for a long time longer before the jews "claimed" part of it for them self because it was under British rule back in late 1947.
There was simply no Israel state or country or a country that mainly practiced Judaism... but there were plenty of countries practicing Islam for a very very long time... see were I'm going with this?
Like I said, last time the Palestinians had complete control of Jerusalem, it was a complete shithole. Couldn't even go in there unless you wanted to risk getting killed.
When was that exactly? you must have dates and facts to proove this claim of yours.
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Okay the Muslims have had that part of the country for a long time longer before the jews "claimed" part of it for them self because it was under British rule back in late 1947.
There was simply no Israel state or country or a country that mainly practiced Judaism... but there were plenty of countries practicing Islam for a very very long time... see were I'm going with this?When was that exactly? you must have dates and facts to proove this claim of yours.
Actually, the Jews were there first. They were murdered, brutalized and eventually displaced in the region by the muslims spitting out 35 kids for every 2 parents. In all actuality, they have just as much right to the land, if not more, than the Muslims.
So Britain helped them along. The funny thing is that Israel is now the most powerful country in the middle east and more technogically advanced than pretty much every country around it. Ironic that it's only been around 60 years and the muslims around them for the last 1000+. ;D
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Maybe a few of you should give your homes to Native Americns.
They were here first.
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Maybe a few of you should give your homes to Native Americns.
They were here first.
Unlike the Muslims, the Native Americans were assimilated or gave up and conformed. I don't see any fundamentalist Indian groups running around blowing up buses full of women and children going to work, do you?
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Unlike the Muslims, the Native Americans were assimilated or gave up and conformed. I don't see any fundamentalist Indian groups running around blowing up buses full of women and children going to work, do you?
Let's be under no illusion... you beat them into submission, there were so little left of them that they simply had no choice but to give up... would you suggest to do the same with Muslims worlds wide?
You have to really collect you mind and try to see the reason BEHIND what ever the media wants you to believe why a 16 year old girl wants to kill herself and as many people as possible...there is a reason behind it and yes part of it is brainwashing no doubt but the other part is that they are simply overwhelmed with the daily shit they have to witness and see.
And again be under no illusion that the Jews would do the exact same if they would be the country with the lesser military might... why is that Al Quaida Cells are called Terrorists and the other and Jewish Death Squats are called Commandos?
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Let's be under no illusion... you beat them into submission, there were so little left of them that they simply had no choice but to give up... would you suggest to do the same with Muslims worlds wide?
You have to really collect you mind and try to see the reason BEHIND what ever the media wants you to believe why a 16 year old girl wants to kill herself and as many people as possible...there is a reason behind it and yes part of it is brainwashing no doubt but the other part is that they are simply overwhelmed with the daily shit they have to witness and see.
And again be under no illusion that the Jews would do the exact same if they would be the country with the lesser military might... why is that Al Quaida Cells are called Terrorists and the other and Jewish Death Squats are called Commandos?
What shit they have to put up with? They do it to themselves. Why is it that Israel is smack in the heart of the middle east, and yet they are one of the most productive and technologically advanced countries in the world? They've been around for a little over 60 years. Yet, the rest of the muslim world surrounding them is still in shambles. They choose to live that way. They choose to follow a religion that preaches hate and all the other crap it spews. If they wanted to evolve and become productive members of this planet, they would. The fact of the matter is that the majority don't care enough to change, and the others sympathize with their fundamentalist bullshit.
The fact of the matter is that if they could put their hateful preaching and what not aside for one minute, the rest of the world wouldn't have a problem helping to bring them up to speed with us, like we did with Israel. It's a religion that refuses to move past the middle ages, and wants everyone right there with them.
They're called commandos because there are 10x as many more people that want them dead just for being Jewish. The day after Israel was left on its own, it was attacked by 1/2 a dozen countries. Guess what, it won, hahaha. And if anyone has the right to be pissed off at the world, it's Israel. I don't see Muslims having to deal with 6 million dead, all because some guy hated them for kicking him out of art school. Israel's here to stay, and those "death squads" are protecting their way of life. And they're pretty damn good at it. ;D
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What shit they have to put up with? They do it to themselves. Why is it that Israel is smack in the heart of the middle east, and yet they are one of the most productive and technologically advanced countries in the world? They've been around for a little over 60 years. Yet, the rest of the muslim world surrounding them is still in shambles. They choose to live that way. They choose to follow a religion that preaches hate and all the other crap it spews. If they wanted to evolve and become productive members of this planet, they would. The fact of the matter is that the majority don't care enough to change, and the others sympathize with their fundamentalist bullshit.
The fact of the matter is that if they could put their hateful preaching and what not aside for one minute, the rest of the world wouldn't have a problem helping to bring them up to speed with us, like we did with Israel. It's a religion that refuses to move past the middle ages, and wants everyone right there with them.
They're called commandos because there are 10x as many more people that want them dead just for being Jewish. The day after Israel was left on its own, it was attacked by 1/2 a dozen countries. Guess what, it won, hahaha. And if anyone has the right to be pissed off at the world, it's Israel. I don't see Muslims having to deal with 6 million dead, all because some guy hated them for kicking him out of art school. Israel's here to stay, and those "death squads" are protecting their way of life. And they're pretty damn good at it. ;D
1) Israel is what it is today because of massive money paid by the States and Germany for that matter
2) Nobody chooses to hunger, thats a ridicules claim and proves once more that you are generalizing and simply assume.
3) They are called Commandos because it sound cleaner, the same why your Government doesn't call it Assassination anymore but Depopulating... get me?
And last but by no mean least.... No country attacked Israel... they would have been stupid to do so, they were bullied into a war they never had a chance of winning.
It's fairly simple and you should have no difficulty understanding this: If you're the new bad boy on the block you want to make sure that everybody sharing the neighborhood with you understand the fact not to fuck with you.
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Unlike the Muslims, the Native Americans were assimilated or gave up and conformed. I don't see any fundamentalist Indian groups running around blowing up buses full of women and children going to work, do you?
The people saying Israel should be given up by the Palestinians are pretty reluctant to give up their homes in America to native Americans was the point.
What if a few senators, after being enticed by casino money, made a deal that gave the land you live on back?