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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: slaveboy1980 on September 23, 2007, 12:10:40 PM
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chapter 8 (p.57-65) in yates book a warrior's story is one of the best chapters written in any bodybuilding book out there.
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can you sum up that chapter in one sentence?
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can you sum up that chapter in one sentence?
He already did.
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yates first training split (after an initial 6 week period where he did full body workouts, just to learn the exercises and get to know his body) looked like this:
1983-1986
week 1:
Monday w1
Tuesday rest
Wednesday w2
Thursday rest
Friday rest
Saturday w1
Sunday rest
week 2:
Monday w2
Tuesday rest
Wednesday rest
Thursday w1
Friday rest
Saturday w2
Sunday rest
workout one (w1)
bench press 3x8
incline press 3x8
incline flyes 2x8-10
chins/pulldowns 3x8
barbell rows 3x8
deadlifts 3x8
behind the neck press 3x8
side laterals 2x8
bent laterals 2x8
crunches 3xmax
hanging leg raises 3xmax
workout two (w2)
barbell squats 4x8
hack squats 3x8
leg curls 3x8
standing calf raises 3x8
barbell curls 3x8
one-arm preacher curls 2x8
triceps pushdowns 3x8
lying triceps extensions 2x8
duration: approximately 60 min/workout.
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no natural, needs to make things more complicated than this.
he only used multivitamins/minerals and milk-egg protein shakes+ FOOD
nothing fancy , very simple.
only thing you could change is to do a 3 day split instead of the 2 day split. but thats a matter of preference.
KISS principle+hard work+basic supplementation (protein+multivitamin)+patience+no huge but adequate caloric surplus+1-1.25 g protein/lbs bw/day.
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(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy34.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy40.jpg)
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as a natural you dont need to know much more about bodybuilding than the above to grow!
only thing you need to know in addition to the above is
1. basic nutrition (good protein sources, good fats, different carb sources)
2. how to do the exercises (find someone to teach you to do the movement from from the beginning and/or use exercise guides found online)
in one weeks time you will know everything that a natural needs to know to grow
then all you need is to add hard work.
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how is it he used less volume while on gear+insulin+gh+t3+nolv etc than he supposedly did while natural?
strange. very strange. especially as he said he felt he optimized his training theory toward the end of his career.
on a linked note mark dugdale is now using the yates hit method of training, he reports he has been getting the best gains of his life using it.
i also read on another thread milos reports dorian never used insulin untill 1997 - bwahahahahahahahaha. i simply refuse to believe this, as he was the first mass monster- even bigger than heaney - who was the first to introduce insulin to the bb scene.
if milos is telling the truth, then dorian must have lied to him to find out what milo's techniques were.
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blood and guts is still one of the greatest movies ever
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I refuse to believe he did all that in 60 min, YEAH RIGHT!
Unless ofcourse he did it milos style, one giant set for his whole upper and lower body :D
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bench press 3x8
incline press 3x8
incline flyes 2x8-10
chins/pulldowns 3x8
barbell rows 3x8
deadlifts 3x8
behind the neck press 3x8
side laterals 2x8
bent laterals 2x8
crunches 3xmax
hanging leg raises 3xmax
1 minute to complete each set (30 minutes)and a minute rest (30 minutes) = 1 hour
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how is it he used less volume while on gear+insulin+gh+t3+nolv etc than he supposedly did while natural?
Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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bench press 3x8
incline press 3x8
incline flyes 2x8-10
chins/pulldowns 3x8
barbell rows 3x8
deadlifts 3x8
behind the neck press 3x8
side laterals 2x8
bent laterals 2x8
crunches 3xmax
hanging leg raises 3xmax
1 minute to complete each set (30 minutes)and a minute rest (30 minutes) = 1 hour
So he's a machine that can do this without any interruption? I'm no industrial engineer but with human factors considered the workout would take no less tahn 2 hours.
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Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That's hardly proof Dorian didn't use insulin. The water retaining effect of insulin is brief, to say the least.
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So he's a machine that can do this without any interruption? I'm no industrial engineer but with human factors considered the workout would take no less tahn 2 hours.
he trained in his gym with no one there. you have to remember how regimented the man was. ok so maybe it took and hour and fifteen minutes. ;)
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even bigger than heaney - who was the first to introduce insulin to the bb scene.
Oh, wow, not it was Haney who introduced insulin to bodybuilding? Really? lol
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he trained in his gym with no one there. you have to remember how regimented the man was. ok so maybe it took and hour and fifteen minutes. ;)
Ok I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there.. but warming up for all that would take 15-20 minutes, adding it upto a 90-95 minute workout. Plate loading and reracking would take another 5 minutes. Transition from one exercise to the other, another 2-5 minutes. ;)
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he trained in his gym with no one there. you have to remember how regimented the man was. ok so maybe it took and hour and fifteen minutes. ;)
the gym wasnt his when he did that routine.
and yes he wrote he did it in approx 60minutes..(his first split routine).
remember dorian was always all business in the gym and didnt socialize, and his goal was to get in , do the necessary work and get out and grow.
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Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
"jesus christ", your naive....and you show it time after time....
and your draw faulty conclusions from inadequate information all the time.
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Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
True, I read on Milos board that Milos spoke to Dorian about insulin in 97 or so and Dorian wasn't using it
someone correct me if I am wrong
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True, I read on Milos board that Milos spoke to Dorian about insulin in 97 or so and Dorian wasn't using it
someone correct me if I am wrong
Dorian never used insulin. It is as simple as that. He was an old-school sauce&Gh guy. Trust me: I know the insulin look, and Dorian didn't have it. The insulin look is characterized by very full muscles that look soft like pudding. If you want to see the insulin look, Jean-Pierre Fux is a good example of that. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian never used insulin. It is as simple as that. He was an old-school sauce&Gh guy. Trust me: I know the insulin look, and Dorian didn't have it. The insulin look is characterized by very full muscles that look soft like pudding. If you want to see the insulin look, Jean-Pierre Fux is a good example of that. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Whats so different between fux and yates? to the untrained eye(ie: mine) they both look similar, big bloated and nasty that is
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Whats so different between fux and yates? to the untrained eye(ie: mine) they both look similar, big bloated and nasty that is
Fux on his best day was never as striated or as grainy as Yates. Standing completely relaxed almost all pros look soft. When he tightened up, lights out.
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Dorian never used insulin. It is as simple as that. He was an old-school sauce&Gh guy. Trust me: I know the insulin look, and Dorian didn't have it. The insulin look is characterized by very full muscles that look soft like pudding. If you want to see the insulin look, Jean-Pierre Fux is a good example of that. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You mean if he used it in the off-season but not during his prep he would still be full from the insulin on contest day? Come on... Dorian's grainy look had a lot to do with genetics. It was pretty unique, no one looked like that out of the pros, insulin or not.
Do you think Andreas Munzer used it?
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I tell ya......The Pros must read this shit and laugh, the way you "experts" babble on about what drugs you "know" they used.
Fucking comical
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Dorians grainy look is because he has thin freckly Scottish/ Irish skin. Same with Branch Warren.
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Dorians grainy look is because he has thin freckly Scottish/ Irish skin. Same with Branch Warren.
actually he is of dutch/german descent...says so on his website
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I tell ya......The Pros must read this shit and laugh, the way you "experts" babble on about what drugs you "know" they used.
Fucking comical
In total agreement on this speculation. Some like Yates could've easily used slin and not showed it, with the right genetics.
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Crock of shit! Dorian used sauce and GH, but never insulin. Insulin stimulates glycogen stoarage in the muscles, anf that leads to water retention inside the muscles. If Dorian used insulin, then his muscles would not have looked as hard as they did. Having water inside the muscles make them look fuller but also softer.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
are you retarded?
if insulin causes water retention,how does all of milos's pro's all look so good come contest?
how does branch warren look so ripped? ronnie etc etc etc.
you are a fool.
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Oh, wow, not it was Haney who introduced insulin to bodybuilding? Really? lol
i may be mistaken, it may have been gh, although i think i read that it was insulin, and he sold it at his local gym.
maybe someone more familure with that time frame can elaborate.
van do you know different? ???
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Dorian never used insulin. It is as simple as that. He was an old-school sauce&Gh guy. Trust me: I know the insulin look, and Dorian didn't have it. The insulin look is characterized by very full muscles that look soft like pudding. If you want to see the insulin look, Jean-Pierre Fux is a good example of that. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
"boys" yes I only have 2 posts. . .because I am a lurker who likes to see and laugh at all the "experts" here.
I have a personal friend that knows dorian very well and he did take insulin. . .he said it made him feel very tired all the time and he did not like to do it but it too him to the next level. . .he also looked even more "diesel" in real life than the pics. . .
If all you do is get your "info" from online sources. .you are a hurting unit. Real life interaction is where you learn the real shit.
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actually he is of dutch/german descent...says so on his website
Anglo saxon = german. . if you are scottish etc. . .you are german origin.
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are you retarded?
if insulin causes water retention,how does all of milos's pro's all look so good come contest?
how does branch warren look so ripped? ronnie etc etc etc.
you are a fool.
First of all, Ronnie did not use insulin when he had his best conditoning around the 1998 Olympia. He was on sauce, GH, plasma expanders and diuretics, but no insulin. Ronnie used insulin for the first time in the off-season of 2003. A lot of the huge mass gain of 40 lbs that he had that year had to do with the inclusion of insulin in his stack. That allowed him to pack lots of muscles, but he lost that paper-thin quality that he had in 1998/9. If you look at pics of him from that contest, his muscles are super-huge and full, but very watery. That's what insulin does to your physique.
And you are completely out of your mind if you think that insulin does not blurr out conditioning. In fact, the dramatic decrease of conditioning that happened since the 1990s to today has a lot to do with insulin. Guys today are 30 to 40 lbs bigger, but they lost that super-hard look that, for instance, Wheeler had at the 1993 Ironman, even when their bodyfat is at 3%. It has a lot to do with the water retention that insulin causes inside the muscles by increasing glycogen synthesis, which pulls water inside the muscles. You'll have to trust me on this one, since I'm a bodybuilding expert. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I refuse to believe he did all that in 60 min, YEAH RIGHT!
Unless ofcourse he did it milos style, one giant set for his whole upper and lower body :D
Did you reply to the post before yours?
You should disbelieve it, because he didn't.
And noboby has said so...
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i may be mistaken, it may have been gh, although i think i read that it was insulin, and he sold it at his local gym.
maybe someone more familure with that time frame can elaborate.
van do you know different? ???
No, just never heard his name associated with insulin.
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First of all, Ronnie did not use insulin when he had his best conditoning around the 1998 Olympia. He was on sauce, GH, plasma expanders and diuretics, but no insulin. Ronnie used insulin for the first time in the off-season of 2003. A lot of the huge mass gain of 40 lbs that he had that year had to do with the inclusion of insulin in his stack. That allowed him to pack lots of muscles, but he lost that paper-thin quality that he had in 1998/9. If you look at pics of him from that contest, his muscles are super-huge and full, but very watery. That's what insulin does to your physique.
What kind of source do you have for saying Ronnie never took insulin prior to 2003? I'd be very very surprised if that were true. If I were to guess he went on insulin plus high dosages of gh in '98 when he made the dramatic jump.
Even if insulin caused all rips to vanish it's not something that happens over night. You have to abuse it for quite some time IMO. Do you think the physique somehow disintegrates after the first humalog shot?
BTW, according to the stack protocol in Munzer's possession he was on high dosages of insulin as well. He was ripped to shreds regardless.
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BTW, according to the stack protocol in Munzer's possession he was on high dosages of insulin as well. He was ripped to shreds regardless.
Good point ! I've often thought of this myself.
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And you are completely out of your mind if you think that insulin does not blurr out conditioning. In fact, the dramatic decrease of conditioning that happened since the 1990s to today has a lot to do with insulin. Guys today are 30 to 40 lbs bigger, but they lost that super-hard look that, for instance, Wheeler had at the 1993 Ironman, even when their bodyfat is at 3%. It has a lot to do with the water retention that insulin causes inside the muscles by increasing glycogen synthesis, which pulls water inside the muscles. You'll have to trust me on this one, since I'm a bodybuilding expert. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Again, how long does this water retention last? Everyone knows insulin causes water retention, it's very short lived though. So you are saying Ronnie used it in the off-season of 03 but was still bloated at the O?
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horrible routine.
why would anyone wanna be at the gym just 4 days a week? imagine being at getbig just 4 days a week!
unless a routine is every single day, preferebly twice a day, im not looking at it twice.
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First of all, Ronnie did not use insulin when he had his best conditoning around the 1998 Olympia. He was on sauce, GH, plasma expanders and diuretics, but no insulin. Ronnie used insulin for the first time in the off-season of 2003. A lot of the huge mass gain of 40 lbs that he had that year had to do with the inclusion of insulin in his stack. That allowed him to pack lots of muscles, but he lost that paper-thin quality that he had in 1998/9. If you look at pics of him from that contest, his muscles are super-huge and full, but very watery. That's what insulin does to your physique.
And you are completely out of your mind if you think that insulin does not blurr out conditioning. In fact, the dramatic decrease of conditioning that happened since the 1990s to today has a lot to do with insulin. Guys today are 30 to 40 lbs bigger, but they lost that super-hard look that, for instance, Wheeler had at the 1993 Ironman, even when their bodyfat is at 3%. It has a lot to do with the water retention that insulin causes inside the muscles by increasing glycogen synthesis, which pulls water inside the muscles. You'll have to trust me on this one, since I'm a bodybuilding expert. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
bullshit, ronnie started to use insulin in the 90s.
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Anglo saxon = german. . if you are scottish etc. . .you are german origin.
etrain - never before have i read something so moronic - even on getbig - you are a retarded too.
anglo saxon does not = german
and scottish people are not from german decent.
delete your account now and save yourself the owning i am eagre to hand you, if you dare to speak on this subject again.
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First of all, Ronnie did not use insulin when he had his best conditoning around the 1998 Olympia. He was on sauce, GH, plasma expanders and diuretics, but no insulin. Ronnie used insulin for the first time in the off-season of 2003. A lot of the huge mass gain of 40 lbs that he had that year had to do with the inclusion of insulin in his stack. That allowed him to pack lots of muscles, but he lost that paper-thin quality that he had in 1998/9. If you look at pics of him from that contest, his muscles are super-huge and full, but very watery. That's what insulin does to your physique.
And you are completely out of your mind if you think that insulin does not blurr out conditioning. In fact, the dramatic decrease of conditioning that happened since the 1990s to today has a lot to do with insulin. Guys today are 30 to 40 lbs bigger, but they lost that super-hard look that, for instance, Wheeler had at the 1993 Ironman, even when their bodyfat is at 3%. It has a lot to do with the water retention that insulin causes inside the muscles by increasing glycogen synthesis, which pulls water inside the muscles. You'll have to trust me on this one, since I'm a bodybuilding expert. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
ronnie looked amazing in 2003, yes he may possibly have had slightly thicker skin ( gh side) but i still thought he was still grainy dry.
branch warren is probably the closest to dorian like grainyness since dorian, and with the amount of mass he carrys at his height there's no way he's not on insulin. if he's not god help the ifbb when he does decide to try it.
plus the milos point i made - all his athletes come in dry hard, and with spot on conditioning. if insulin does what you say long term how can this be?
suck perhaps you are wrong. ::)