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The operation, which agents described as the largest anti-steroid action by law enforcement ever, involved cooperation among 10 nations and involved raids and arrests in Mexico, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Thailand, U.S. officials said.
By Amy Shipley/The Washington Post WASHINGTON — Federal agents raided more than four dozen underground drug labs and arrested 124 people in 27 states during an 18-month crackdown on Chinese steroids, human growth hormone and other performance-enhan
Article Launched: 09/24/2007 12:00:00 AM MDT
The operation, which agents described as the largest anti-steroid action by law enforcement ever, involved cooperation among 10 nations and involved raids and arrests in Mexico, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Thailand, U.S. officials said.
Under pressure from Olympic and world anti-doping officials to address China's reputation as the main global supplier of illicit performance-enhancing drugs with the 2008 Summer Games in Beijing just 11 months away, Chinese authorities cooperated with the probe, DEA officials said. The Chinese agreed to accept information packets from U.S. and international law enforcement agencies in the coming weeks to address further the problem within their borders, the officials said.
News conferences to announce details of the busts were scheduled for Sunday in New York, San Diego, Houston, Kansas City, Mo., and Providence, R.I. While some of the individual busts over the last 18 months have been reported, the scope of the action has not been made public until now. Officials withheld announcements on the various raids to ensure the safety of agents as the last round of raids took place this weekend, officials said.
The action targeted underground labs that peddled steroids, human growth hormone and other drugs to customers through Web sites and message boards. It is not yet known whether high-profile Olympic or professional athletes were clients of any of the labs, DEA spokesman Dan Simmons said.
Officials from major sport anti-doping bodies including the World Anti-Doping Agency and U.S. Anti-Doping Agency assisted throughout, offering expertise and support, Simmons said. WADA Chairman Dick Pound is scheduled to arrive in Beijing on Tuesday, where he is expected to follow up on issues surrounding the manufacture and supply of steroids and other drugs from China, which he raised during meetings last fall with Chinese Olympic and government officials as among threats to the legitimacy of competition at the Olympics next August.
China already has taken action against at least one of its companies, Simmons said.
"Chinese authorities were willing partners," he said. "They said they would in fact make efforts to arrest and prosecute violators there in China."
The massive probe could have unusual and unnerving repercussions for the clientele of the labs, as the DEA has begun compiling a database of names of those who ordered or participated in illicit performance-enhancing drug activities through the labs for the use of all law enforcement bodies in the United States, Simmons said.
Simmons declined to elaborate on the intended use or makeup of the database, which he said is being assembled from hundreds of thousands of e-mails and Internet exchanges. He said it would be up to the individual U.S. attorney's offices prosecuting the cases — at least five, including the southern districts of New York and California, are involved — to decide how to handle information that arises regarding well-known athletes.
He added that the probe has no connection to the Signature Pharmacy investigation out of Albany, N.Y., a probe into illegal prescriptions of performance-enhancing and other drugs that has implicated a number of major league baseball and NFL players, coaches and doctors.
Since its inception early in 2006, what has been called Operation Raw Deal resulted in the seizure of at least 242 kilograms of raw steroid powder from China and 11.4 million dosage units of steroids or other chemicals, along with $6.5 million in cash, 25 vehicles and 71 weapons, according to Rusty Payne, a spokesman at DEA headquarters in Alexandria, Va. Fifty-six labs have been seized.
Approximately 70 percent of the enforcement action has occurred since Thursday, Payne said. Specific details of the actions taken overseas were not available as of Sunday, but China was considered the source of the "vast majority" of the illicit drugs, Simmons said.
U.S. law enforcement considered indicting the Chinese companies that supplied the illicit drugs, but decided that a partnership with the Chinese authorities would be more productive, Simmons said. Several agents flew to China this February to discuss the investigation.
The probe targeted raw material manufacturers and suppliers primarily in China and underground drug laboratories in the United States, Canada and Mexico.
It further looked at U.S.-based Web sites that market "conversion kits" that allow for the at-home processing of steroid powders, as well as Internet bodybuilding discussion boards that facilitate and instruct on the illegal use and production of performance-enhancing drugs.
"Operation Raw Deal uncovered a clandestine web of international drug dealers who lurk on the Internet for young adults craving the artificial advantage of anabolic steroids," DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy said in a statement. "Today we reveal the truth behind the underground steroid market: dangerous drugs cooked up all too often in filthy conditions with no regard to safety, giving Americans who purchase them the ultimate raw deal."
Recent raids turned up anabolic steroids, human growth hormone, insulin growth factor and other drugs and chemicals including ketamine, fentanyl, ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, and GHB, Payne said.
The operation grew out of a massive bust in Mexico in 2005 known as Gear Grinder, which took down eight Mexican steroid producers credited with supplying more than 80 percent of the illicit steroids in the United States. That bust, Simmons said, pushed virtually all of the remaining U.S. steroid business to China.
Simmons said the labs taken down in the various busts showed no adherence to any standards for safety or sanitation, with drugs being mixed in basements or bathtubs before being shipped out to consumers.
Steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs are banned by the Olympic movement and most major sports leagues. Side effects of anabolic steroids, which increase muscle mass, include increased body hair, a deepening of the voice, enlargement of the breasts in men and a shrinking of the testicles.
Human growth hormone, believed to build strength and help muscles recover better from injury, can cause an enlargement of the jaw, forehead and hands and feet.
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Who gives a shit about heroin and cocaine and all the people who supply the kids out there with drugs like ice and Ecstasy, lets just get the guys on gear. ::) ::)
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man... i feel like in 10 years juice is going to be almost impossible to find lol im gettin scared as shit
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Funny you say that, because i was actually thinking the same thing.
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Funny you say that, because i was actually thinking the same thing.
yeah but alchohol will be right around the corner. ::)
ill tell you what. where the juice goes, i will go. as long as the country isnt a shit hole.... ill live in a different country for 10 years just to juice till im an old man.
funny they can work together on some bullshit like this but cant on anything that counts :-\ :'( >:(
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Exactly.
As far as im concerned, the drugs we should be working towards getting rid of are the ones with the highest usage rates. When you look at it that way, gear is pretty low, in terms of usage, and the people who take it, 95% of them are just trying to improve themselves for their sport.
They go on about how dangerous gear is, but they seem to fail to realise that some people have died from taking just ONE ecstasy tablet. Im 18, i know for a fact that all these recreational drugs and shit are EVERYWHERE, get rid of them first, there far more dangerous. When that is taken care of, then focus on gear.
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And yet, incredibly, gh15 goes unapprehended. He's like the Teflon Con!
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Maybe gh15 is a gimmick account for an underground agent? Trust in God but tie your camel!
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What a waste of tax dollars. Couldnt the police spend their time dealing with real crime. Our borders arent secure, crime is rampant in inner cities and dozens of cases go unsolved because of man power shortages. Couldnt they reroute the resources from this bogus drug war and put it towards more constructive uses.
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Maybe gh15 is a gimmick account for an underground agent? Trust in God but tie your camel!
good post............would be a smart move. but i can see from his posts that he isnt.
but the idea of setting himself up as a huge aas dealer would be a smart strategy for an underground agent.
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More details & video from ABC News :http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3640489 (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3640489)
from ESPN :http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3033532&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3033532&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
Largest steroid raid ever,DEA Wraps Massive Steroid Probe
(photos courtesy of Drug Enforcement Administration & ESPN )
(Agents take away an unidentified suspect charged with running an underground steroid lab in New York.)
(Among the items seized in a Long Island raid is this box, thought to contain raw steroid powder sent from China.)
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More details & video from ABC News :http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3640489 (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3640489)
Largest steroid raid ever,DEA Wraps Massive Steroid Probe
(photo courtesy of Drug Enforcement Administration)
i dont give a shit as im natural :)
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Exactly.
As far as im concerned, the drugs we should be working towards getting rid of are the ones with the highest usage rates. When you look at it that way, gear is pretty low, in terms of usage, and the people who take it, 95% of them are just trying to improve themselves for their sport.
They go on about how dangerous gear is, but they seem to fail to realise that some people have died from taking just ONE ecstasy tablet. Im 18, i know for a fact that all these recreational drugs and shit are EVERYWHERE, get rid of them first, there far more dangerous. When that is taken care of, then focus on gear.
real ECSTACY has never killed anyone. real mdma is only toxic in a mega dose (like 50 tabs at one time). dmt is the culprit here, added to pills and called ecstacy.
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good post............would be a smart move. but i can see from his posts that he isnt.
but the idea of setting himself up as a huge aas dealer would be a smart strategy for an underground agent.
gh aint a citzen he dont get the concept of phonics
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gh aint a citzen he dont get the concept of phonics
gh15 aint an undercover cop.
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I'm glad to see the Govts of these nations are focusing on the important things. ::)
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gh15 aint an undercover cop.
gh15 is George W. Bush, that would also explain his bad english. ;D ;D
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By taking roids away from, more people will be tempted to dabble with Slin. I can just see the number of kids and grown men passing out in the showers, cars etc. as a result of slin. All this will do is make people choose the path of least resistance.
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I wish the money being wasted on these trivial wastes of time was given to the troops in Iraq to buy armored vehicles and body armor...
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this thread is turning into another steriod user meltdown.
"focus on real crimes, spend the money on brazilian whores, bla bla bla."
;D ;D ;D ;D
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this thread is turning into another steriod user meltdown.
"focus on real crimes, spend the money on brazilian whores, bla bla bla."
;D ;D ;D ;D
yeah all the drug junkies are getting scared.
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Seriously... the DEA spending their time on this is kinda like a city with the nation's worst murder and gang violence rates spending 20% of its budget going after speeders.
No, wait.... actually it's not. Speeders are more detrimental to society than steroid users!
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this thread is turning into another steriod user meltdown.
"focus on real crimes, spend the money on brazilian whores, bla bla bla."
;D ;D ;D ;D
No. It's just heart-breaking and sickening to see your tax dollars being flushed down the toilet like this when they could go to saving the life or limbs of a soldier in Iraq...
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No. It's just heart-breaking and sickening to see your tax dollars being flushed down the toilet like this when they could go to saving the life or limbs of a soldier in Iraq...
yeah or why not take a few of all those 100s of billions spent on the military and help the poor IN america. ::)
why dont you do that instead bush?
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yeah or why not take a few of all those 100s of billions spent on the military and help the poor IN america. ::)
Because if we didn't secure our long-term oil supplies, there will be a lot more poor in America. World oil reserves are running out... we're beyond peak production... and with an emerging China hungry for more and more oil, we need to ensure our oil keeps flowing. Quickest way to crash the US economy? Cut the oil supply to less than the demand. People can't get to work, delivery trucks stop rolling cutting off our resupply of food and goods, essential services become unreliable or shut down altogether. It ain't a pretty picture.
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Because if we didn't secure our long-term oil supplies, they're be a lot more poor in America. World oil reserves are running out... we're beyond peak production... and with an emerging China hungry for more and more oil, we need to ensure our oil keeps flowing. Quickest way to crash the US economy? Cut the oil supply to less than the demand. People can't get to work, delivery trucks stop rolling cutting off our resupply of food and goods, essential services become unreliable or shut down altogether. It ain't a pretty picture.
Bump for the truth, more funds should be directed towards the real cause. Can these people not see that the raising the cost of oil makes everything increase? The costs are passed directly to the consumer. I forgot everyone here is independently wealthy and doesn't have to worry about such nonsense. ::)
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124 People Charged; 56 Labs Seized
The DEA said the wide-ranging probe, dubbed "Operation Raw Deal," was assisted by foreign governments in nine countries including China and led to the seizure of 56 laboratories for manufacturing anabolic steroids and human growth hormone.
Investigators said in all more than 11 million doses of steroids were seized, in addition to nearly $7 million in cash, 25 cars, three boats and 71 weapons.
Agents said they seized more than 500 pounds of raw powder originating in China and used to manufacture steroids.
In addition to New York, raids and arrests took place in San Diego, Houston, Kansas City and Providence, R.I., said Sanders.
Officials said the investigation was international in scope, stretching from Mexico to Australia, Sweden to Thailand.
DEA officials called the importation a public health issue, saying some of the importers mislabeled the products and that the drugs are often produced in unsafe, unsanitary conditions. For example, agents said, some of the drugs were being produced in bathroom sinks
Drug Enforcement Administration officials say they wrapped up the largest investigation of illegal steroid use in U.S. history early this morning. An investigation that, they say, leads directly back to China.
Sources tell ABC News that a series of raids across the United States uncovered an extensive underground network of illegal laboratories and large-scale marketing operations via the Internet.
More than 56 labs were targeted, with more than 120 arrests made in New York, San Diego, Providence, Kansas City and Houston.
Operation Raw Deal allegedly discovered millions of doses of anabolic steroids, human growth hormone and other drugs worth tens of millions of dollars.
Investigators say they identified more than 30 companies in China that allegedly supplied the chemicals needed to produce steroids.
According to DEA officials, the precursor drugs from China were shipped to the United States where drug dealers would then use their labs to produce the finished steroids.
Underground Web sites, chat rooms and message rooms marketed the drugs to young people and athletes.
The magnitude of the operations uncovered suggests that the customer base for illegal steroids is clearly in the thousands. And those taking the steroids without a doctor's prescription might not realize just how dangerous they are.
Officials say the drugs are often produced in unregulated, often filthy conditions.
Anabolic steroids can have serious side effects, such as strokes, blood clots, high blood pressure, heart disease, liver damage and severe mood swings, including aggression.
The results of the probe are expected to be announced Monday in a series of press conferences around the country.
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Authorities call it "Operation Raw Deal." Yahoo! columnist Dan Wetzel calls it "Armageddon" for athletes.
It's a multinational drug bust stretching all the way to China that has already led to more than 100 arrests and could make many athletes nervous. The Washington Post's Amy Shipley says the operation could have "unusual and unnerving repercussions for the clientele of the labs."
Shipley describes the raid: "Federal agents raided more than four dozen underground drug labs and arrested 124 people in 27 states during an 18-month crackdown on Chinese steroids, human growth hormone and other performance-enhancing drugs that reached its culmination in the last four days, Drug Enforcement Administration officials said yesterday. ...
And she points to China's role: "Under pressure from Olympic and world anti-doping officials to address China's reputation as the main global supplier of illicit performance-enhancing drugs with the 2008 Summer Games in Beijing just 11 months away, Chinese authorities cooperated with the probe, DEA officials said."
Why should athletes care? Yahoo! writer Josh Peter explains: "Federal officials are creating a database of names of the people who received steroids, human growth hormone (HGH) and other drugs banned by most sports leagues and athletic associations, DEA spokesman Rusty Payne said."
ESPN's Shaun Assael tells us investigators are active in the virtual world as well: "The investigation also focused on message boards where advice is traded about obtaining raw materials, as well as on the Web sites that help the labs sell finished products to the public. Hundreds of thousands of e-mails were intercepted, according to Dan Simmons, a San Diego-based special agent for the DEA."
Peter also gives the total value of drugs seized in the raids: "Investigators hauled in countless bags and boxes loaded with steroids that have a street value potentially exceeding $50 million, Payne said. The stockpile included 11.4 million doses of steroids, which based on the 0.5 milliliter per dose used by the DEA for calculations, amounts to about 570,000 vials that each hold 10 milliliters."
Shipley's story says we'll have news conferences today in New York, San Diego, Houston, Kansas City and Providence, R.I.
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A Sayreville, N.J., electrician who allegedly operated out of a basement filled with chemicals, tubs and vials was charged yesterday with manufacturing, possessing and distributing anabolic steroids from his upscale home on a quiet cul-de-sac.
The raid at the home of Alfred Scarpa, 34, was the second major steroid-related raid launched by law-enforcement officials this week.
"It appears from today's events and the investigation leading up to today's raid that Mr. Scarpa was a major manufacturer and distributor of illegal steroid products," Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Kirsch said.
The Justice Department said Wednesday that Specialty Distribution Systems, Inc., of St. Louis, had admitted distributing human growth hormone to athletes and entertainers, and agreed to pay a $10.5 million fine and to cooperate with investigators.
Albany County District Attorney David Soares, meanwhile, is continuing his two-year investigation into pharmacies and doctors who illegally distribute steroids, HGH and other drugs over the Internet.
Scarpa, who has two previous felony drug convictions, admitted he was involved in buying, making and selling steroids, according to a Drug Enforcement Agency complaint filed in federal court yesterday. Scarpa was ordered held without bail by U.S. Magistrate Esther Salas.
Kirsch would not comment when asked if Scarpa had supplied athletes with performance-enhancing drugs, saying the investigation remains active and ongoing. He also declined to say if he expected further arrests. But the arrest has surely caught the attention of athletes, team executives and league officials.
Kirsch said DEA agents seized almost $57,000 in cash and two semiautomatic weapons from the Sayreville home, and Kirsch said Scarpa could face additional charges.
The basement was filled with tubs, bottles and equipment associated with the manufacture of steroids, including a centrifuge, according to the complaint.
Vials labeled as stanozolol, testosterone and nandrolone were also seized from the home.
"It is obvious," said Kirsch, "that Mr. Scarpa was a major manufacturer of steroids."
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Hey, I just heard JFK was shot.
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Our streets are alot safer now ::)
All the money spent on the investigation would have been much better spent on tracking down murderers, child molesters, rec drug dealers etc.
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Hey, I just heard JFK was shot.
I would clean house then . . . you seem a likely conspirator. ::)
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Our streets are alot safer now ::)
All the money spent on the investigation would have been much better spent on tracking down murderers, child molesters, rec drug dealers etc.
Haha
Yeah it's sad, responsible steroid use is great to improve your health, sports and life in general. Hell, many of the dea agents are fanatic users themselves. Professional athletes continue to use steroids with the help of docters/steroid designers etc, beating every stupid drug test they encounter.
When do the governments learn? ::)
Ah well, my country has the best UG labs in the world and are unaffected by these "raids". Time for my next cycle in 3 months!!
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good post............would be a smart move. but i can see from his posts that he isnt.
but the idea of setting himself up as a huge aas dealer would be a smart strategy for an underground agent.
Pretty fvcken sad... the Feds looking to set-up some small fish on the internet. I wouldn't be surprised. :-\
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this thread is turning into another steriod user meltdown.
"focus on real crimes, spend the money on brazilian whores, bla bla bla."
;D ;D ;D ;D
Exactly.
We even have one guy saying he'd relocate, all over steroids. How pathetic.
I love how they just will not admit/accept, that their drug use/abuse IS A CRIME. Whether or not it should be legal is not the issue. Do I believe that roids should beat illegal, not necessarily. But in the end, as it stands right now, it is what it is.
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This bust probably represent a tiny fraction of what is really out there. Big busts like this grab a lot of news, but what doesn't always get a lot of press is the impact of the bust on the drug economy. About 3 years ago there was a 14-ton bust of cocaine, at the time the largest ever, where the DEA went in later to determine the price for cocaine shortly after that. It didn't budge one penny.
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Exactly.
We even have one guy saying he'd relocate, all over steroids. How pathetic.
I love how they just will not admit/accept, that their drug use/abuse IS A CRIME. Whether or not it should be legal is not the issue. Do I believe that roids should beat illegal, not necessarily. But in the end, as it stands right now, it is what it is.
if alchohol was banned again how many people do u think would be "criminals"? idiot. the whole nation would be illegal nd a good amount of people would move just fior that.
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Exactly.
We even have one guy saying he'd relocate, all over steroids. How pathetic.
I love how they just will not admit/accept, that their drug use/abuse IS A CRIME. Whether or not it should be legal is not the issue. Do I believe that roids should beat illegal, not necessarily. But in the end, as it stands right now, it is what it is.
That's why we keep it underground. But more and more "regular" people are getting their facts right on steroids. After a while it becomes acceptable, just like the most dangerous drugs ever "alcohol"
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I love how they just will not admit/accept, that their drug use/abuse IS A CRIME. Whether or not it should be legal is not the issue. Do I believe that roids should beat illegal, not necessarily. But in the end, as it stands right now, it is what it is.
I keep forgetting that steroids are really illegal. what a silly law. but yeah, you do gotta respect it. they don't bust you unless you buy/sell, and do it repeatedly.
some of these steroid dealers should spend the money on law degrees instead of bling. Change the laws.
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I wish people could sue the government for being stupid and wasting tax money...
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you guys are looking at this so negitively
with these guys busted...and hundreds (maybe thousands) of customers being without a source...an entire new market is opened up.
so if anyone has the balls...they could make a good amount of change in the next few months *cough* gh15 *cough*
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he i wrote this because some people i know have been sending me emails abuot this as a way of telling me ha look at what happened to steroids because i am pro AAS use so this is my response back.
u can read it or not, no one has to say meltdown or whatever if you dont want to read it just skip it.
The operation, which agents described as the largest anti-steroid action by law enforcement ever, involved cooperation among 10 nations and involved raids and arrests in Mexico, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Thailand, U.S. officials said.
By Amy Shipley/The Washington Post WASHINGTON — Federal agents raided more than four dozen underground drug labs and arrested 124 people in 27 states during an 18-month crackdown on Chinese steroids, human growth hormone and other performance-enhan
Article Launched: 09/24/2007 12:00:00 AM MDT
The operation, which agents described as the largest anti-steroid action by law enforcement ever, involved cooperation among 10 nations and involved raids and arrests in Mexico, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Thailand, U.S. officials said.
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Ok im stopping there. this is getting a lot of news but heres the deal, this might be the biggest bust, but its probably onle a fraction of whats really out there. A few years back DEA busted 10 tons worth of cocaine then they checked the street value and it didnt move one penny.
All this work for what? HUMONGOUS WASTE OF TAX DOLLARS. Most people dont realize this because the news feeds them garbage, but did you know the strongest steroid, oxymetholone (anadrol) is equivalent to ONE VODKA SHOT in its hepatotoxicity? Thats right ONE VODKA SHOT. There are people going out Wed-Sun drinking there ass off but thats okay? After work they have a little martini.. and its fine. People have BARS IN THEIR HOUSE! All these regular club goers are drunk off their ass atleast 3 days out of the week but its all good right?
Makes you wonder how come the governement, thats so concerned about health doesnt go after alchohol and try to ban it again. Especially with all the DRUNK DRIVERS, which is probably 1/3 to half the people that go out drinkin every weekend..who kill so many innocent people because they wanted to go out and have a "good time" without paying a cab fair.
Does anyone know why steroids are banned in the United States in the first place? Because in the 1988 Seoul Olympics Ben Johnson, a CANADIAN, beat the shit out of AMERICAN Carl Lewis the former champion. At this time, Lewis was calling people out for drug use because he was getting his ass kicked and there were a lot of new comers from no where. So what happens? They test Ben Johnson positive for steroids. Oh the Canadian cheated! Here you go USA, you are the real champ for being a natural athlete! LIke Carl Lewis was natural to begin with, just because he wasnt caught doesnt mean he was natural- and trust me if they tested him months earlier, I guarantee you would catch him on some sort of AAS but he just got it out of his system in time. There a few more incidence such as the football player lyle alzado which led to govt speculation of steroids. Alzado claims that AAS cause him to have BRAIN TUMORS. When in fact, LYLE ALZADO WAS A homo WHO GOT AIDS AND THATS HOW HE DIED. HE WAS TOO ASHAMED TO ADMIT IT AND BLAMED IT ON STEROIDS USE AND MADE UP THAT CANCEROUS TUMOR WERE GROWING IN HIS HEAD.Anyway, the USA Government then went on a fucking crusade to ban AAS as a SCHEDULE III substance. SCHEDULE 3! The same classifcation for COCAINE if im not mistaken.
The DEA and the AHA analyzed AAS and came to the conclusion that it WAS NOT a drug, that was harmful enough to be classified as a schedule 3 controlled substance. In fact, THEY SAID THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE ILLEGAL AT ALL. They could not find a SCIENTIFIC REASON, for the life of them , as to why steroids should be illegal. But the governemnt did anyways because, after all the paperwork, the conclusion was that it taught kids to take the easy way out and it smeared the name of hard work, and it didn create a level playing field in athletics! Ifyou go the the governements ownwebsite that reports deaths and the causes of them in the united states, next to AAS THERE ARE ZERO DEATHS. TO THIS DAY THERE ARE ZERO DEATHS DIRECTLY RELATED TO AAS USE. ZERO!!!!!!! ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE!
Ok now these people are worrying about influencing children in the wrong way??? The same people, maybe not the same members of congress, but the same organization that in a recent study, was found that 2/3 of them were caught DRUNK DRIVING! 2/3! These are the type of poeple that get elected and help pass such bullshit laws.
If they are worried about creating a unlversal playing field, what about personal use? Its been proven that HRT, (hormone replacement therapy) can dramatically increase a mans health. No answer is given it should just be banned anyways!
Yet, the FDA, on a regular basis, ALLOWS PRESCRIPTION DRUGS to be APPROVED FOR SAFE USE THEN TO FIND OUT THAT IT IS NOT A SAFE DRUG. I dont even have to give examples for this everyone sees this all the time. That a drug that was approved shortly after is found to have TREMENDOUS side effects. Physicians prescribe new drugs that they know nothing about to their patients all the time because THEY GET KICK BACKS FROM THE DRUG COMPANIES. Drug companies PUSH NEW SHIT ON THEM TO MAKE SALES NUMBERS, then THE DRS GIVE THEM OUT TO PATIENTS AND REPORT TO THEM HOW IT WORKS OUT.
This is your government today folks.YES IT IS A BIG DEAL. This isnt just about AAS. This EFFECTS EVERYONE. BECUASE THE GOVERNMENT HAS DECIDED TO MAKE MORAL DECISIONS FOR YOU. THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU. Your individual rights are at stake. Governement intervention is the cause for a vast majority of problems in the country. Just look at health care. What a mess! And these people want to make it so that it is more controlled by the governement and so that its free? Ha. Making it free isnt going to solve anything its making it WORSE. In the history of the wold, NO GOVT has been able to control or regulate ANYTHING fairly or properly. It collapses because the QUALITY of FREE SERVICE OR PRODUCT GOES DOWN FROM SUCH HIGH DEMAND ESPECIALLY, WHEN ITS SOMTHING AS VALUABLE AS HEALTH CARE.
FOR YOU YOUNG LADIES, IF THE CURRENT TREND OF THE CULTURE CONTINUTES, LETS SEE YOU GETTING ANY SORT OF BIRTH CONTROL PILL PERIOD. BIrth control pills for women, are what AAS are for men. Yes theyare the same. They have found that testosterone therapy s a MALE BIRTH CONTROL just like Estrogen is for women. It is only a matter of time before everyne is effected and then people say.. hey whats going on? After its way too late.
To reverse the cultura trend it STARTS with you. Dont lazily BRUSH THINGS OFF. If you are passive guess what? You are going to get taken advantage of and you will not be able to do anything about it in the future. Whenever you see individual rights being given up to the "collective good" speak against it. Trends start with one person and then small groups. If you notice, the Universities are the BIGGEST causes of these trends. It all starts in the classrooms. Young minds dont know any better and most professors are leftists, so they spread their ideas and then it carries with people into adulthood and into their job decisions. Drs, news reportor, actor, congressman, banker, lawyer, sales rep. etc. Then those people VOTE laws that cause damage to themselves beause afte school " they already have their education" and they never study anything else, and just drowned themselves with alchohol, TV , shopping and parties. A huge sign of a lack of self esteem because if you notice none of it has to do with what they ae passionate about in life, more time is spent on other things than what they feel for the most- and its no wonder where that came from- they were never taught to have a proper grasps of reality and what is good or bad! So they just do what everyone else does and because of FEAR OF LOOKING LIKE THEY HAVE NO REAL KNOWLEDG OR ANSWERS, they pass on whatever crap they learned and make stuff up to fill in the blanks.
If you realize the importance of what i said and see that there needs to be a change, it all starts with philosophy. Your value system, whether you are conscious of it or not, tells you what to do . What value system is right or wrong? You have to go on your own journey to figure it out. And I suggest you start with the exact opposite of what a majority your family believes in, and what your friends believe in because the majority is what is not looking so good right now.
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The War on Drugs is over. The drugs won. :)
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Steroids, Growth Hormone, Anabolics in General.... *owned and produced by large pharmaceutical companies...
Crack...street drug
Cocaine....street drug
Heroin....street drug
Speed/Extacy...street drug
Metch...
etc...
just another example of where priorities are...government makes too much money off it's drugs
...and not allowing anyone else but them to make it.
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I keep forgetting that steroids are really illegal. what a silly law. but yeah, you do gotta respect it.
No you don't. I don't feel any moral obligation whatsoever to follow stupid laws just because they're "laws", and those who do are sheep. I follow laws that directly and significantly impact the rights of others, but I don't feel government has the right to legislate actions of mine that directly effect no one but myself.
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No you don't. I don't feel any moral obligation whatsoever to follow stupid laws just because they're "laws", and those who do are sheep. I follow laws that directly and significantly impact the rights of others, but I don't feel government has the right to legislate actions of mine that directly effect no one but myself.
WORD!!!
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No you don't. I don't feel any moral obligation whatsoever to follow stupid laws just because they're "laws", and those who do are sheep. I follow laws that directly and significantly impact the rights of others, but I don't feel government has the right to legislate actions of mine that directly effect no one but myself.
very well said.
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Exactly.
As far as im concerned, the drugs we should be working towards getting rid of are the ones with the highest usage rates. When you look at it that way, gear is pretty low, in terms of usage, and the people who take it, 95% of them are just trying to improve themselves for their sport.
They go on about how dangerous gear is, but they seem to fail to realise that some people have died from taking just ONE ecstasy tablet. Im 18, i know for a fact that all these recreational drugs and shit are EVERYWHERE, get rid of them first, there far more dangerous. When that is taken care of, then focus on gear.
Pills containing PMA are potentially deadly but pills containing MDMA (ecstasy) are almost never fatal.
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Rumor has it, they recovered over 1 Million Pills from somewhere inside here :-[
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what a freaking joke...
spending millions to make sure the average joe doesn;t lose some fat and gain a few pounds of muscle....excellent work boys!
while almost every high school smokes weed, crack heads are robbing people right outside my building. but as long as some guy doesn;t gain 10 pounds of muscle, I feel very safe.
come on people! terrorists are walking amongst us, and we care about f&cking steroids??? WTF.
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what a freaking joke...
spending millions to make sure the average joe doesn;t lose some fat and gain a few pounds of muscle....excellent work boys!
while almost every high school smokes weed, crack heads are robbing people right outside my building. but as long as some guy doesn;t gain 10 pounds of muscle, I feel very safe.
come on people! terrorists are walking amongst us, and we care about f&cking steroids??? WTF.
I agree completely BUT our goverment makes ALOT of money off these busts. It's all about money.
8)
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I wish people could sue the government for being stupid and wasting tax money...
well, its called a VOTE (well should be in theory..the fucking corrupted bastards)
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he i wrote this because some people i know have been sending me emails abuot this as a way of telling me ha look at what happened to steroids because i am pro AAS use so this is my response back.
u can read it or not, no one has to say meltdown or whatever if you dont want to read it just skip it.
The operation, which agents described as the largest anti-steroid action by law enforcement ever, involved cooperation among 10 nations and involved raids and arrests in Mexico, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Thailand, U.S. officials said.
By Amy Shipley/The Washington Post WASHINGTON — Federal agents raided more than four dozen underground drug labs and arrested 124 people in 27 states during an 18-month crackdown on Chinese steroids, human growth hormone and other performance-enhan
Article Launched: 09/24/2007 12:00:00 AM MDT
The operation, which agents described as the largest anti-steroid action by law enforcement ever, involved cooperation among 10 nations and involved raids and arrests in Mexico, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Thailand, U.S. officials said.
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Ok im stopping there. this is getting a lot of news but heres the deal, this might be the biggest bust, but its probably onle a fraction of whats really out there. A few years back DEA busted 10 tons worth of cocaine then they checked the street value and it didnt move one penny.
All this work for what? HUMONGOUS WASTE OF TAX DOLLARS. Most people dont realize this because the news feeds them garbage, but did you know the strongest steroid, oxymetholone (anadrol) is equivalent to ONE VODKA SHOT in its hepatotoxicity? Thats right ONE VODKA SHOT. There are people going out Wed-Sun drinking there ass off but thats okay? After work they have a little martini.. and its fine. People have BARS IN THEIR HOUSE! All these regular club goers are drunk off their ass atleast 3 days out of the week but its all good right?
Makes you wonder how come the governement, thats so concerned about health doesnt go after alchohol and try to ban it again. Especially with all the DRUNK DRIVERS, which is probably 1/3 to half the people that go out drinkin every weekend..who kill so many innocent people because they wanted to go out and have a "good time" without paying a cab fair.
Does anyone know why steroids are banned in the United States in the first place? Because in the 1988 Seoul Olympics Ben Johnson, a CANADIAN, beat the shit out of AMERICAN Carl Lewis the former champion. At this time, Lewis was calling people out for drug use because he was getting his ass kicked and there were a lot of new comers from no where. So what happens? They test Ben Johnson positive for steroids. Oh the Canadian cheated! Here you go USA, you are the real champ for being a natural athlete! LIke Carl Lewis was natural to begin with, just because he wasnt caught doesnt mean he was natural- and trust me if they tested him months earlier, I guarantee you would catch him on some sort of AAS but he just got it out of his system in time. There a few more incidence such as the football player lyle alzado which led to govt speculation of steroids. Alzado claims that AAS cause him to have BRAIN TUMORS. When in fact, LYLE ALZADO WAS A #### WHO GOT AIDS AND THATS HOW HE DIED. HE WAS TOO ASHAMED TO ADMIT IT AND BLAMED IT ON STEROIDS USE AND MADE UP THAT CANCEROUS TUMOR WERE GROWING IN HIS HEAD.Anyway, the USA Government then went on a fucking crusade to ban AAS as a SCHEDULE III substance. SCHEDULE 3! The same classifcation for COCAINE if im not mistaken.
The DEA and the AHA analyzed AAS and came to the conclusion that it WAS NOT a drug, that was harmful enough to be classified as a schedule 3 controlled substance. In fact, THEY SAID THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE ILLEGAL AT ALL. They could not find a SCIENTIFIC REASON, for the life of them , as to why steroids should be illegal. But the governemnt did anyways because, after all the paperwork, the conclusion was that it taught kids to take the easy way out and it smeared the name of hard work, and it didn create a level playing field in athletics! Ifyou go the the governements ownwebsite that reports deaths and the causes of them in the united states, next to AAS THERE ARE ZERO DEATHS. TO THIS DAY THERE ARE ZERO DEATHS DIRECTLY RELATED TO AAS USE. ZERO!!!!!!! ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE!
Ok now these people are worrying about influencing children in the wrong way??? The same people, maybe not the same members of congress, but the same organization that in a recent study, was found that 2/3 of them were caught DRUNK DRIVING! 2/3! These are the type of poeple that get elected and help pass such bullshit laws.
If they are worried about creating a unlversal playing field, what about personal use? Its been proven that HRT, (hormone replacement therapy) can dramatically increase a mans health. No answer is given it should just be banned anyways!
Yet, the FDA, on a regular basis, ALLOWS PRESCRIPTION DRUGS to be APPROVED FOR SAFE USE THEN TO FIND OUT THAT IT IS NOT A SAFE DRUG. I dont even have to give examples for this everyone sees this all the time. That a drug that was approved shortly after is found to have TREMENDOUS side effects. Physicians prescribe new drugs that they know nothing about to their patients all the time because THEY GET KICK BACKS FROM THE DRUG COMPANIES. Drug companies PUSH NEW SHIT ON THEM TO MAKE SALES NUMBERS, then THE DRS GIVE THEM OUT TO PATIENTS AND REPORT TO THEM HOW IT WORKS OUT.
This is your government today folks.YES IT IS A BIG DEAL. This isnt just about AAS. This EFFECTS EVERYONE. BECUASE THE GOVERNMENT HAS DECIDED TO MAKE MORAL DECISIONS FOR YOU. THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU. Your individual rights are at stake. Governement intervention is the cause for a vast majority of problems in the country. Just look at health care. What a mess! And these people want to make it so that it is more controlled by the governement and so that its free? Ha. Making it free isnt going to solve anything its making it WORSE. In the history of the wold, NO GOVT has been able to control or regulate ANYTHING fairly or properly. It collapses because the QUALITY of FREE SERVICE OR PRODUCT GOES DOWN FROM SUCH HIGH DEMAND ESPECIALLY, WHEN ITS SOMTHING AS VALUABLE AS HEALTH CARE.
FOR YOU YOUNG LADIES, IF THE CURRENT TREND OF THE CULTURE CONTINUTES, LETS SEE YOU GETTING ANY SORT OF BIRTH CONTROL PILL PERIOD. BIrth control pills for women, are what AAS are for men. Yes theyare the same. They have found that testosterone therapy s a MALE BIRTH CONTROL just like Estrogen is for women. It is only a matter of time before everyne is effected and then people say.. hey whats going on? After its way too late.
To reverse the cultura trend it STARTS with you. Dont lazily BRUSH THINGS OFF. If you are passive guess what? You are going to get taken advantage of and you will not be able to do anything about it in the future. Whenever you see individual rights being given up to the "collective good" speak against it. Trends start with one person and then small groups. If you notice, the Universities are the BIGGEST causes of these trends. It all starts in the classrooms. Young minds dont know any better and most professors are leftists, so they spread their ideas and then it carries with people into adulthood and into their job decisions. Drs, news reportor, actor, congressman, banker, lawyer, sales rep. etc. Then those people VOTE laws that cause damage to themselves beause afte school " they already have their education" and they never study anything else, and just drowned themselves with alchohol, TV , shopping and parties. A huge sign of a lack of self esteem because if you notice none of it has to do with what they ae passionate about in life, more time is spent on other things than what they feel for the most- and its no wonder where that came from- they were never taught to have a proper grasps of reality and what is good or bad! So they just do what everyone else does and because of FEAR OF LOOKING LIKE THEY HAVE NO REAL KNOWLEDG OR ANSWERS, they pass on whatever crap they learned and make stuff up to fill in the blanks.
If you realize the importance of what i said and see that there needs to be a change, it all starts with philosophy. Your value system, whether you are conscious of it or not, tells you what to do . What value system is right or wrong? You have to go on your own journey to figure it out. And I suggest you start with the exact opposite of what a majority your family believes in, and what your friends believe in because the majority is what is not looking so good right now.
Awesome post, and I agree 100% with everything you said. Our government is completely run by RX companies, oil companies, and the bullshit perceived morality of a bunch of 60 year old pricks that just wanna be able to say that they accomplished something (steroids) vs. accomplishing something that means something (rec drugs, crime, bringing the troops home, better education, etc.) We live in a sad fucking state of affairs right now folks. You can jump up and down about how you can change things with your vote, but it is horseshit. It is all the same these days. These dickheads are about power, authority, and mostly money. They're all rich in the first place, so why else would you want to have a job that pays only 100k or slightly above??? It's a way to make connections to make even more money.......and they do it illegally......but you're cycle is the prosecutable offense? I would love to see you back up all the things you stated with links, and submit it to USA Today, and see if they have the balls to post it Capt. Slin. My guess is that we'd find out that the editor was on the be all end all of all cycles, and had no balls whatsoever. Why? Becuz our media is run by the gov't people. Time to wake the fuck up!
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well, its called a VOTE (well should be in theory..the fucking corrupted bastards)
Most of the time, the choice is between a giant douche or a turd sandwich. Any good or honest candidate gets marginalized by the media.
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i did a whole paper on this a years ago for college. i have all the sources to back it up i just need to take the time to do it and plug in the cited info. maybe i will submit it? never thought of that. that was done on the fly if i structure it it will make a very strong case.
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im sure john romano will beat you to it ;D
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i did a whole paper on this a years ago for college. i have all the sources to back it up i just need to take the time to do it and plug in the cited info. maybe i will submit it? never thought of that. that was done on the fly if i structure it it will make a very strong case.
I did a paper on this in college too........ok, it was community college :( It was titled "The Right to Bare Arms". We were instructed to write about a controversial topic, and the instructor said that not only did I pick something that no one had ever submitted to him, but that I completely changed his outlook on the issue 8)
You have good points bro. If you can back them up you should do it. The truth needs to get out to the mainstream dipshits that accept everything the media (gov't) shoves down their throats as fact. You might wanna lose the Capt. Slin moniker though.......just sayin. ;)
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Who gives a shit about heroin and cocaine and all the people who supply the kids out there with drugs like ice and Ecstasy, lets just get the guys on gear. ::) ::)
no shit
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I've completely given up trying to change the general public's mind on issues like these, because I've come to the realization that the vast majority of the public are dumbfucks. So I just do whatever the hell I want, and try to stay under the radar.
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I've completely given up trying to change the general public's mind on issues like these, because I've come to the realization that the vast majority of the public are dumbfucks. So I just do whatever the hell I want, and try to stay under the radar.
Yep. In fact, the vast majority of people ran to get a fly swatter to kill the bug on their screen when you posted this instead of realizing it was all in the spirit of teh funny. :-\
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The price of sauce on the street just tripled.....
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be careful, they are apparently staking out message boards now too ::)
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AqhaZscTPAYtzRwWYVwyxPk5nYcB?slug=ap-steroidbusts&prov=ap&type=lgns
The Internet has emerged as a popular source for those seeking performance-enhancing drugs without the required prescription, prompting Operation Raw Deal to employ a four-pronged strategy. The investigation targeted U.S.-based websites that distribute materials such as conversion kits necessary to turn raw steroid powders into finished product; Internet body building discussion boards that teach individuals how to use, locate, and discreetly purchase steroids; raw material manufacturers and suppliers in China and other countries; and underground steroids labs in the United States, Canada and Mexico.
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I've completely given up trying to change the general public's mind on issues like these, because I've come to the realization that the vast majority of the public are dumbfucks. So I just do whatever the hell I want, and try to stay under the radar.
You make some great points and I couldn't agree with you more. That's the frustrating part of it all, when you see the truth in it's entirety and you're surrounded by sheep as is even evidenced in this thread, (" it's illegal, so I don't do it", without even questioning why it's illegal in the first place).
The whole thing really is pathetic.
Unfortunatly, doing nothing to change the way things are and flying under the radar doesn't make things any better. Someones gotta do/say something.
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Well stated, Slin, although I myself am kind of in the middle of the road regarding the present legality of roids.
But I am definitely against the huge expenditure of our tax dollars when there are so many other pressing issues that are more important than the steroid situation.
Interesting to note that the government found drugs produced under less than sanitary conditions, but if they were legal (and controlled) those same unsanitary conditions would not exist.
I would sure like to read the college paper you did on this subject. Have you ever posted it on the internet?
Yours too, MYT1.
Slin, have you read Rick Collins "Legal Muscle"? He goes into some great detail about how roids became illegal and it is interesting to note that the only organization who insisted that they should NOT be "criminalized" was the AMA (or was it the FDA?). (Sorry but I cannot find my copy at this moment!)
Was anyone or any organization ever given the opportunity to speak in defense of roid "usage" before they were proclaimed illegal.
I have heard that Mr Collins does some legal work on behalf of the NPC now. Right?
Interesting stance, Slin, but I think it has progressed too far to ever turn back towards the legal direction.
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cbs5.com's update video:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=952695&cl=4215931&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=952695&cl=4215931&src=news)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070925/wl_afp/usdrugssteroidschina_070925012720 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070925/wl_afp/usdrugssteroidschina_070925012720)
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=steroid&x=wrt&c=av (http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=steroid&x=wrt&c=av)
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Well stated, Slin, although I myself am kind of in the middle of the road regarding the present legality of roids.
But I am definitely against the huge expenditure of our tax dollars when there are so many other pressing issues that are more important than the steroid situation.
Interesting to note that the government found drugs produced under less than sanitary conditions, but if they were legal (and controlled) those same unsanitary conditions would not exist.
I would sure like to read the college paper you did on this subject. Have you ever posted it on the internet?
Yours too, MYT1.
Slin, have you read Rick Collins "Legal Muscle"? He goes into some great detail about how roids became illegal and it is interesting to note that the only organization who insisted that they should NOT be "criminalized" was the AMA (or was it the FDA?). (Sorry but I cannot find my copy at this moment!)
Was anyone or any organization ever given the opportunity to speak in defense of roid "usage" before they were proclaimed illegal.
I have heard that Mr Collins does some legal work on behalf of the NPC now. Right?
Interesting stance, Slin, but I think it has progressed too far to ever turn back towards the legal direction.
I am against the underground selling of steroids. But when they are made illegal, there really isnt much of a choice. I myself would never take THAT risk because the legal penalty is insane. If penalty for selling was just as ridiculous for possesion, I wouldnt live in the USA because I love competitive bbing too much. Also, it is better for it to be underground made from conversion kits than people STEALING from labs to sell them. If they are going to make up fake lab names thats one thing, but stealing from labs for selling no one should do and no one shoud buy from those people.
Ive never posted the paper on the internet it was for communications class though and I was actually going up against someone in a debate who used steroids in high school and had a heart attack. In the beginning everyone fell for his emotional speech about how his life changed, he just had a massive heart attack etc. ( the guy looked like a real lfe pig by the way so ovrweight andthis was maybe years after his heart attack) But he had nothing backing what he said except emotion and I exposed his eating habits and totally crushed him in the debate. Afterwards the class was totally in my favor and some people told me to hit he road with the speech! LOL. Funny thing too 4 or 5 guys after class admitted to me about their AAS steroid use. Guys you wouldnt even think for 1 second used it flat out admitted it and said they didnt have any problems with it.
Because of the little piece there I wrote on the fly its actually motivated me to take that and turn it into a solid paper and argument. I havent wrtten structurally in years but I am actually motivated to do this.
I have Legal Muscle and ive read it from front to back but I think that was back in 2003? Rick Collins is my hero. Someone needs to set the record straight and defend these guys im glad he stepped up to the plate. I dont remember what organization exactly to tell the truth but I thought everyone was against illegalization except members of congress. I know though for a fact that everyone was against it being a schedule III though.
At the time I dont think anyone was able to defend steroids except by admitting its use and saying hey I dont have anything wrong with me! I dont know how much research was done that the public had access to. There were no pro steroid organizations or anything. I think there are a few today actually but I have to go double check.
Collins may be doing worth with the NPC but I dont know. Never heard of that but if anyone needs ihis service it is NPC and IFBB. The whole organization is nothing really without AAS. No one wants to watch a whole bunch of fitness models in a posedown especially after what weve seen can happen. If both the comittee and federation would be "drug free" theres going to be a whole lot of insulin and herbal use goin on.
In my last post/email I did mention that sometimes things can get too far and you cant change it but I take it back it can change. Everything can change, more severe things take longer but everything can change. The public just doesnt know about the origins of AAS and how it was wrongfully made illegal. There is too much myth and the truth we all know can be proven publicly... no one has talked about it yet though. Ignorance maybe? Fear? Who knows why.. I honestly think people are too scared or they are too passive. If AAS were compared to something that is everyday, like alchohol for example, people will begin to look at it differently. Alchohol is SO essential to American and European life that if proper comparisons were mde publicly people would not think so low of AAS. Especially if it was shown that bbers/athletes are hard working true spirited American people, I mean bodybuilding is an AMERICAN SPORT. Expensive supplemnts, complex pharmacueticals, LOTS OF EATING.. thats all pretty much part of American culture. Once people realize that, and see that all the sports the watch and enjoy wouldnt be as exciting and that the playing field is fair because most athletes use, they would embrace it.
The government just has to be exposed publicly for not havng any scientific reason to ban AAS for personal use and Drs have to get a little tap on the ass too because everyone looks to them for medical advice on everything even if they know nothing about it. whatever comes out of an MD mouth has to be the gospel truth right? in the public eyes yes. if they are exposed as drug pushers themselves, of much worse drugs, and people see how little most know about AAs thiir credibility will go straight down the toilet. BUt all of this has to be done n depth. Once pople get the idea, the politicians are going to follow. Politicians dont create ideas, they see weak points in the people and capitalize on their ignorance. If the people feel stronlgy about something, they are going to cater to it in a democracy ( or we you want to call us govt today. i know not a true democracy). If people loved the war in iraq, most politicians will try to say hey! i had a part in making that happen! but, americans dont like it so they say they are against it and propose plans to pull it and make up excuse that, at the time thats wat I thought was the right thing to do.
But like I said, the first step is making sure it hits home. comparins AAS to common day things like alchohol, prescription drugs, and particularly to women it must hit home with birth control. Then a tie to individual rights and you have a movement and group that will fight and protest and publish articles. Look at the environmental movement, went from a few hippes straight to the white house. It all start with small groups, and everyday comparisons. After that it will multiply and governemnet in this society will be forced to do SOMETHING in positive direction.
Many people forget Alchohol has also been banned as well as SUGAR! Now look, they are household products as common as TV and Comptuer haha.
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http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/index.htm (http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/index.htm)
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ESPN pundit and former Dallas sports journalist Skip Bayless says President Bush looked the other way on steroid problems in the clubhouse.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fde_1185820102 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fde_1185820102)
Ha ha ha.... ;D ;D
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Captain Slin some great points there mate, I am a lifetime nattie and will probably stay that way, but if I did want to juice I think I should be able to make that decision as it affects no-one but myself, and if done propperly only in a good way :o. After all if i want to I can go out and drink until i pass out and do something stupid that puts myself and others in danger......nobody says a thing. But if i wanted to take Steroids I'd have 50 people telling me how bad it is etc. Something just aint right with this shit :-\.
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And yet, incredibly, gh15 goes unapprehended. He's like the Teflon Con!
Its Teflon Don
lol
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All that is missing is Romano's crock of shit reporting on it how he knew all the major players and how he saw this coming months ago and how he... and how he... and then he.....
Felching idiot.
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Well stated, Slin, although I myself am kind of in the middle of the road regarding the present legality of roids.
But I am definitely against the huge expenditure of our tax dollars when there are so many other pressing issues that are more important than the steroid situation.
Interesting to note that the government found drugs produced under less than sanitary conditions, but if they were legal (and controlled) those same unsanitary conditions would not exist.
I would sure like to read the college paper you did on this subject. Have you ever posted it on the internet?
Yours too, MYT1.
Slin, have you read Rick Collins "Legal Muscle"? He goes into some great detail about how roids became illegal and it is interesting to note that the only organization who insisted that they should NOT be "criminalized" was the AMA (or was it the FDA?). (Sorry but I cannot find my copy at this moment!)
Was anyone or any organization ever given the opportunity to speak in defense of roid "usage" before they were proclaimed illegal.
I have heard that Mr Collins does some legal work on behalf of the NPC now. Right?
Interesting stance, Slin, but I think it has progressed too far to ever turn back towards the legal direction.
Sorry bro. I'd post it up for sure, but I'm in my 30's and my college days and that paper are long gone now........not to mention it was done on a word processor. :'(
Myt1
(the ancient guy) lol
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Steroids bad!
Smoking, Drinking, Valium....gooood ;)
The government is so full of shit, it's pathetic.
My only problem with gear is the ease in which someone gains muscle, it's almost laughable. I dislike when some clown believes he achieved something by injecting a ton of drugs, then confuses it with his "own" gains. Never confuse a drug abuser with a true bodybuilder, it's not even the same thing.
Yeah, you love my post. ;D
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Steroids bad!
Smoking, Drinking, Valium....gooood ;)
The government is so full of shit, it's pathetic.
My only problem with gear is the ease in which someone gains muscle, it's almost laughable. I dislike when some clown believes he achieved something by injecting a ton of drugs, then confuses it with his "own" gains. Never confuse a drug abuser with a true bodybuilder, it's not even the same thing.
Yeah, you love my post. ;D
u do gain a lot easier thats the point of taking it. but not everyon who uses is walking around like the bigges sob you ever seen ripped to shreds. most users, dont even look like they workout much.
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u do gain a lot easier thats the point of taking it. but not everyon who uses is walking around like the bigges sob you ever seen ripped to shreds. most users, dont even look like they workout much.
I always say, nothing worse in life than being an immitator.
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Geeez mon, wy dont dem DEA bloks jus rade da Olympia FREEK shoos evry yeare an dey wood fine mo of dem ilegel roids/dwugs evur!
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Geeez mon, wy dont dem DEA bloks jus rade da Olympia FREEK shoos evry yeare an dey wood fine mo of dem ilegel roids/dwugs evur!
Yeah, what he said!! >:( ???
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Geeez mon, wy dont dem DEA bloks jus rade da Olympia FREEK shoos evry yeare an dey wood fine mo of dem ilegel roids/dwugs evur!
do you know how many dicks wieder has to suck to keep the FEDS off his cock?
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Feds sifting through steroid customer lists
By LEE LOGAN
September 26, 2007
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2007/09/26/feds-sifting-through-steroid-customer-lists/ (http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2007/09/26/feds-sifting-through-steroid-customer-lists/)
Federal authorities say they are still trying to decide what to do with the names of thousands of customers obtained from an international black market steroid sting.
Drug Enforcement Administration spokeswoman Rogene Waite said the agency has not ruled out prosecuting the customers implicated in Operation Raw Deal, the largest steroid investigation in U.S. history, which was announced Monday.
“We’re still looking at what we’re going to be doing with the information,” she said.
Waite declined to give any detailed information about the end-users and would not speculate if, or when, anyone would be prosecuted. She also declined to say if the names of athletes implicated in the probe would be released.
DEA Special Agent Don Mendrala said the agency so far has only focused on suppliers.
“We really focus on the source of supplies, we don’t really move into users,” Mendrala said. “We try to move up as opposed to moving down. We use the phrase ‘cutting the head off of the dragon.’”
The operations more than 120 arrests included four Missourians. Bryan Greggory Wilson, 38, who maintains homes in Columbia and Kansas City, and April Dawn Wilson, 32, of Columbia, were charged with conspiracy to distribute anabolic steroids and one count of distributing anabolic steroids as part of the Missouri-focused sting, dubbed Operation Juice Box.
Jason Ray Varner, 33, of Jefferson City, was indicted on possession with intent to distribute anabolic steroids. Mikal Gunn Schrage, 28, of Nixa, was indicted on the same charge, but investigators said the two did not work together.
But it was the Wilsons, who divorced in 2006 and owned a smoothie shop on East Broadway, who are described in court documents as the ringleaders of a Missouri-based anabolic steroid operation.
April Wilson pleaded guilty to misusing the 911 emergency system in August 2006 and received one year unsupervised probation, according to online court records.
Bryan Wilson pleaded guilty in April 2001 to possession of a controlled substance and served five years of probation. He also pleaded guilty to third-degree domestic assault in December.
Also in December, seven months after Wilson finished his probation, a post on the steroid Web forum ChemicallyEvolved.com indicated that he was back in business. The post, authored by the user “Pro Pharm,” read: “New Year is a comin ... and so is Pro Pharm Labs. Look for me soon in the classifieds.”
Investigators, who first identified Wilson as a suspect in February, say he operated under the names Pro Pharm, Pro Pharm Labs and Palmco, Inc. Several users on the forum indicated that Pro Pharm was one of their preferred suppliers.
As part of Operation Raw Deal, federal authorities seized 56 steroid labs across the country, as well as 11.4 million steroid dosage units and 242 kilograms of raw steroid powder of Chinese origin. About 50 people were arrested and 61 search warrants were executed during the operation’s final stages, which began Sept. 14.
Several users commented about Operation Raw Deal when the news broke Tuesday. One post reads, “instead of spending all that time and money on something that’s ruining peoples lives even killing them like herion, coke, chrystal meth, and so on, they spent it on something that enhances they way we look.”
The Web forum also provided a primer for new steroid users to learn about the drugs. The two steroids identified by investigators in the Wilsons’ case, testosterone cypionate and testosterone enanthate, are both classified as “long-acting” and “large-mass” steroids. The post says those two substances are good for building body mass, with no consideration for weight gain. These steroids, according to the post, are not ideal for athletes who must watch their weight.
The primer also describes cycles — the practice of taking multiples doses for several weeks and then stopping. Different cycles have different functions, such as building mass, cutting fat or maintaining muscle gains. Often several drugs are combined to form a “stack” to create an effect “that’s greater than the sum of its parts,” according to the primer.
The forum also has several posts intended to keep users safe. One post warns users not to drink while on their cycle. There is a category devoted to post-cycle therapy. And one user posted graphic pictures that encourage the use of sterile needles.
John Wood, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Missouri, is prosecuting the Wilsons, Varner and Schrage under the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990, which states that anabolic steroids are illegal to possess or sell without a prescription. In 2004, the act was expanded, categorizing 59 specific substances as anabolic steroids.
Offenders who possess the drugs can face up to one year in prison, and first-time traffickers can face five years. That sentence can be doubled for repeat offenders or those who sell the drugs near sports facilities.
Don Ledford, a spokesman for Wood’s office, said Bryan Wilson faces a maximum sentence of 10 years and the other three defendants each face five-year sentences. All four are out on bond, he said.
Ledford said that although criminal trials are under way for many suppliers, the DEA’s investigation into potential customers is only just beginning.
“It takes time to analyze the lists,” he said. “You have to build a case and look at the evidence for each person. There’s still work to be done.”
Renee DuBose contributed to this article.
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12 Arrested in Drug Raids in VA(Thursday, 27 Sep 2007)
http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4480068&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1 (http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4480068&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1)
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China launches probe into steroid factories ;D ;D ;D
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070928/wl_asia_afp/chinadopingsteroidsusolychn2008_070928141828 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070928/wl_asia_afp/chinadopingsteroidsusolychn2008_070928141828)
by Charles Whelan
BEIJING (AFP) - China's cabinet has launched a probe into charges that Chinese factories are supplying illegal US laboratories with the raw materials to make anabolic steroid, state media reported Friday.
The US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) announced Monday in Washington it had smashed the biggest illegal steroid ring in US history following a two-year investigation.
It said 37 factories in China had supplied 26 underground steroid labs that were raided last week, resulting in more than 50 arrests.
China's State Council, or cabinet, has set up a team of investigators to probe the allegations, an official from the sports ministry told the official Xinhua news agency.
"We are actively looking into this," Jiang Zhixue, a top official at the ministry, was quoted as saying.
China, which is staging the Olympic Games in Beijing next year, was taking the allegations seriously and was prepared to shut down factories, according to Dick Pound, president of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).
"It is very early in the investigation so nobody is certain what the facts are," said Pound, who is visiting Beijing.
"The Chinese take it seriously and will continue to cooperate. And if they find there are any illegal activities here in China I am sure they will act appropriately to close them down," Pound told a press conference after discussing the probe with top Chinese officials during his week-long visit to Beijing.
China has pledged to stage a clean Olympics and Pound said that the anti-doping set-up would be the best ever seen at an Olympics.
"As for drug testing during the Games, you can assume it will be the best," said Pound.
"Whether the Games will be clean, I don't know. That depends on the cheats. But if they come and they are filled with drugs, we will find them."
Anabolic steroids boost muscle mass and are popular mainly with bodybuilders and athletes seeking an unfair competitive edge. Famous cases of steroid abuse include Canadian Ben Johnson, who was caught after winning the 100m title at the 1988 Seoul Olympics.
During a visit here last year, Pound also raised the issue of illegal Chinese suppliers of performance enhancing drugs, who often offer their merchandise for sale over the Internet.
DEA agents said that 99.9 percent of all steroids produced at underground laboratories in the United States were made from raw materials imported from China.
In February, DEA agents visited China with evidence concerning several factories that were allegedly producing steroid ingredients and asked for China's help in the probe. One of those factories has reportedly been shut down.
Pound said that China agreed to cooperate and has been doing so, although details about the investigation have not been fully disclosed.
"It (the investigation) is ongoing and it's early. The authorities have not, either here or in the US, divulged all the facts that they know," he said.
"It is clear that this particular investigation is international in scope and China is playing its part."
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Dick Pound, the president of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), speaks during a press conference in Beijing. China's cabinet has launched a probe into charges that Chinese factories are supplying illegal US laboratories with the raw materials to make anabolic steroid, state media reported Friday.(AFP)
(photo courtesy of AFP)
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The general public is also stupid not to realize the real problems in this country. A person who uses steroids to look better is a lot better than people killing themselves with drug and alchohol abuse. Cigs and alchohol contribute to more deaths in this country than the could ever document with roids. I really don't understand why we have been led to follow the govt like this. Why is alchohol not illegalized.
People are also dying out there because the govt basically dictates are pharmaceutical companies policies so that some people can't get the medicine they need.
A convicted child molester can often be placed on parole in a few months. It does not make any sense.
We need to start targeting the real criminals in this country. Some of which or in control of our govt.
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The general public is also stupid not to realize the real problems in this country. A person who uses steroids to look better is a lot better than people killing themselves with drug and alcohol abuse. Cigs and alchohol contribute to more deaths in this country than the could ever document with roids. I really don't understand why we have been led to follow the govt like this. Why is alchohol not illegalized.
People are also dying out there because the govt basically dictates are pharmaceutical companies policies so that some people can't get the medicine they need.
A convicted child molester can often be placed on parole in a few months. It does not make any sense.
We need to start targeting the real criminals in this country. Some of which or in control of our govt.
You point out maybe the biggest hypocrisy of all time. And nobody talks about it!! Alcohol is a mood altering drug!! Its use and abuse has had unparalleled costs to this country. Ditto for cigarettes. Hugh profits are made from selling and taxing them. Billions is spent marketing and promoting them, and yet we spend billions trying to stop people from smoking pot. It truly makes no sense what so ever. There is an epidemic of "legal" Narcotic abuse in this country, the drugs company's are truly no differnet in some ways than drug dealers- cant sleep, take a drug, feeling stressed, take drug, have some pain, take a drug, feeling depressed, take a drug. It is ridicules and there is no forum for open debate about.
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atleast the first article posted some positive aspects of users. that was an unbiased article i liked it.