Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bluto on September 26, 2007, 07:08:42 AM
-
phil heath, 5'9 245lbs off season 21" arms 30" legs 19" calves says in flex he eats 3800 calories on a typical day off-season, and even post the diet in detail every meal of it
my question is, how come so many getbigger feel they need to eat so much more than him?
(http://www.phillipheath.com/images/gallery/bg6.jpg)
-
wow... that is NOT a lot of calories. And he carried a ton of size in the offseason. That's a lot of clean food though - and Phil does keep it clean 365 days a year.
-
and before squadfather comes in and make this a 8 page thread about whether his arms are really 21" or not, i just got that info from his own website to illustrate the point that he's pretty big regardless and yet only eat 3800 calories.
-
Does phil share his offseason diet? That'd be an interesting read.
-
calories doesnt determine how much lean mass you put on..
-
Thats nothing, Ronnie use to eat Horses.....raw
"wunt to bee big like horse, need to eat horse."
-
Eating clean and low carb, yes 3800 calories is a shit load of food to eat.
-
phil heath, 5'9 245lbs off season 21" arms 30" legs 19" calves says in flex he eats 3800 calories on a typical day off-season, and even post the diet in detail every meal of it
my question is, how come so many getbigger feel they need to eat so much more than him?
(http://www.phillipheath.com/images/gallery/bg6.jpg)
are you feeling guilty, hanzi ;D
-
Does phil share his offseason diet? That'd be an interesting read.
yes both on and off season
cant remember from top of my head, i think its the september issue, ill search for it maybe someone scanned it on the net :D
-
the amount of calories people eat are so over exaggerated. now im no where near as big looking as heath but im 6ft and ive weighed just as much as him eating even less calories than that. some days i dont eat much at all to tell the truth maybe breakfast is decent sized then dinner is bigger but lunch is almost nothing.
-
the amount of calories people eat are so over exaggerated. now im no where near as big looking as heath but im 6ft and ive weighed just as much as him eating even less calories than that. some days i dont eat much at all to tell the truth maybe breakfast is decent sized then dinner is bigger but lunch is almost nothing.
::)
-
Eating clean and low carb, yes 3800 calories is a shit load of food to eat.
I am sure that he is not only eating chicken breast and oatmeal offseason. Probably regular foods and not pigging out on the junk food
also 500-700 calories is a decent meal
that would be 5-7 meals per day
-
Phil is a chicken.
-
::)
whats that for?
dont tell me you are the kind of guy that is eating 5thousand calories a day but is ripped to shreds haha
-
I will bet everything I own that Phil eats a shit load offseason. A SHITLOAD . i DON'T KNOW FOR SURE BUT if we could get EASTCOASTBBMAN TO CONFIRM THIS I'M SURE HE COULD CONFIRM THAT PHIL GROWS ON A LITTLE MORE CALS THAN 3800 ...
-
I will bet everything I own that Phil eats a shit load offseason. A SHITLOAD . i DON'T KNOW FOR SURE BUT if we could get EASTCOASTBBMAN TO CONFIRM THIS I'M SURE HE COULD CONFIRM THAT PHIL GROWS ON A LITTLE MORE CALS THAN 3800 ...
no way bro. if I ate nearly 4000 calories a day I would be SOO fat. Even on GH and AAS there is no way this guy is eating that much.
-
I will bet everything I own that Phil eats a shit load offseason. A SHITLOAD . i DON'T KNOW FOR SURE BUT if we could get EASTCOASTBBMAN TO CONFIRM THIS I'M SURE HE COULD CONFIRM THAT PHIL GROWS ON A LITTLE MORE CALS THAN 3800 ...
go fuck yourself ;)
you will never understand the concept of moderation.
-
I can't use that info though.
Gimme the caloric intake and daily diet of some of the best naturals in the world, and it would be very helpful.
eg: jrod's Q&A is awesome.
just my 2 cents.
No offence to "the gift".
Then again guys like Kameli and other permabulkers on the sauce, they could probably learn a thing or two.
-
I will bet everything I own that Phil eats a shit load offseason. A SHITLOAD . i DON'T KNOW FOR SURE BUT if we could get EASTCOASTBBMAN TO CONFIRM THIS I'M SURE HE COULD CONFIRM THAT PHIL GROWS ON A LITTLE MORE CALS THAN 3800 ...
:D
-
Everything in the BB industry is exagerratted....
-
phil heath, 5'9 245lbs off season 21" arms 30" legs 19" calves says in flex he eats 3800 calories on a typical day off-season, and even post the diet in detail every meal of it
my question is, how come so many getbigger feel they need to eat so much more than him?
(http://www.phillipheath.com/images/gallery/bg6.jpg)
hmmm, good question jackass, maybe,just maybe some of us are not 5'8'' and stocky? use ur fuckn head
could it be hypothetically possible that bigger frames needs more calories? this guy..................... ......
-
my question is, how come so many getbigger feel they need to eat so much more than him?
(http://www.phillipheath.com/images/gallery/bg6.jpg)
Because they believe everything they read, but in this case it's believable. Stuffing your face doesn't mean you'll put on more muscle, it just means you'll get fat.
-
Because they believe everything they read, but in this case it's believable. Stuffing your face doesn't mean you'll put on more muscle, it just means you'll get fat.
What's your current caloric intake J?
-
What's your current caloric intake J?
181g protein. 525g carbs.
-
181g protein. 525g carbs.
LOL.
-
if he knows what he was doing with his nutrient ratio's he is eating plenty.
most people eat way too much carbs, way too often.
yes, carbohydrates are ABSOLUTELY VITAL to building muscle. BUT, there are only needed at certain times. First thing in the morning, pre-training, post training. Other than that you have no use for carbohydrates. They DO NOT build muscle, they provide energy for a workout, can help put the body into an anabolic state quickly, and post training help with the uptake of proteins into the muscle. so...assuming that you need no more than 60 grams of carbs in the morning, and 60 grams post training..and maximum 100 grams pre-training...thats a maximum real need of only 880 calories. leaving almost 3000 calories for proteins. assuming that he will be also consuming some healthy fats...lets make that 2700 calories of protein. So, eating 3800 calories would allow for protein intake of up to 700 or so grams of protein... which is an absolutely crazy amount of protein to eat.
sorry for stating the obvious here guys...but alot of posts talked about that being a small amount of food. its definitely alot of food if your eating right.
if your eating wrong, it could just be a half dozen jamba juices.
-
if he knows what he was doing with his nutrient ratio's he is eating plenty.
most people eat way too much carbs, way too often.
yes, carbohydrates are ABSOLUTELY VITAL to building muscle. BUT, there are only needed at certain times. First thing in the morning, pre-training, post training. Other than that you have no use for carbohydrates. They DO NOT build muscle, they provide energy for a workout, can help put the body into an anabolic state quickly, and post training help with the uptake of proteins into the muscle. so...assuming that you need no more than 60 grams of carbs in the morning, and 60 grams post training..and maximum 100 grams pre-training...thats a maximum real need of only 880 calories. leaving almost 3000 calories for proteins. assuming that he will be also consuming some healthy fats...lets make that 2700 calories of protein. So, eating 3800 calories would allow for protein intake of up to 700 or so grams of protein... which is an absolutely crazy amount of protein to eat.
sorry for stating the obvious here guys...but alot of posts talked about that being a small amount of food. its definitely alot of food if your eating right.
if your eating wrong, it could just be a half dozen jamba juices.
700 grams of protein is 2800 calories dummy, not 3800.
-
if he knows what he was doing with his nutrient ratio's he is eating plenty.
most people eat way too much carbs, way too often.
yes, carbohydrates are ABSOLUTELY VITAL to building muscle. BUT, there are only needed at certain times. First thing in the morning, pre-training, post training. Other than that you have no use for carbohydrates. They DO NOT build muscle, they provide energy for a workout, can help put the body into an anabolic state quickly, and post training help with the uptake of proteins into the muscle. so...assuming that you need no more than 60 grams of carbs in the morning, and 60 grams post training..and maximum 100 grams pre-training...thats a maximum real need of only 880 calories. leaving almost 3000 calories for proteins. assuming that he will be also consuming some healthy fats...lets make that 2700 calories of protein. So, eating 3800 calories would allow for protein intake of up to 700 or so grams of protein... which is an absolutely crazy amount of protein to eat.
sorry for stating the obvious here guys...but alot of posts talked about that being a small amount of food. its definitely alot of food if your eating right.
if your eating wrong, it could just be a half dozen jamba juices.
You obviously eat a very low carb diet you mental midget.
The brain needs 130 grams of carbs per day to function properly.
That's 520 calories right there.
Nutrition scientists generally recommends anywhere between 40-60% carbs in the diet, which is a big spectrum, but it means you would at least eat 300 grams of carbs if you were on a 40/30/30 (high-protein-moderate carb) diet.
Ie, 1200 calories of carbs.
If you would eat 50% of your calories from carbs, the calories would be 1500, and you would eat 400 grams of carbs every day if on a 3000 calorie per day diet.
-
The brain needs 130 grams of carbs per day to function properly.
LOL!
okay. so dave palumbo, everyoen he has ever trained,everyone who has ever done the atkins diet, and every bodybuilder who has ever dieted for the show....they should all be dead. or have malfunctioniing brains.
get a grip, douchebag!
teh human body NEEDS zero carbs!
there are tribes of eskimos in alaska that consume ZERO carbs everyday of their life. and they statistically have much better body compositions naturally than almost every other tribe/culture on the planet.
-
Nutrition scientists generally recommends anywhere between 40-60% carbs in the diet,
what the hell does nutrition scientists know about building muscle or bodybuilding?
-
LOL!
okay. so dave palumbo, everyoen he has ever trained,everyone who has ever done the atkins diet, and every bodybuilder who has ever dieted for the show....they should all be dead. or have malfunctioniing brains.
there are tribes of eskimos in alaska that consume ZERO carbs everyday of their life. and they statistically have much better body compositions naturally than almost every other tribe/culture on the planet.
...yes, dave palumbo, his clients, and eskimos are perfect examples of intellectual excellence. Suck on that, people who can read ::)
-
what the hell does nutrition scientists know about building muscle or bodybuilding?
exactly.
it is commonly recommended that people only consume .5 grams of protein per pound of body weight.
yes...we should listen to these people.
full body workouts three times a week as well.
yes, we should listen to the main stream authorities on this one.
-
If eskimos ate zero carbs, then they must have the worst constipation known to man!!
Where in the hell do they get their fiber???
-
700 grams of protein is 2800 calories dummy, not 3800.
SF....I think he was saying that utilizing the values stated (carbs and protein) that when factored in to the whole 3800 calories he would have to eat 700gms of protein.
-
what the hell does nutrition scientists know about building muscle or bodybuilding?
I should've mentioned that these are sports nutrition scientists perhaps.
But I guess that don't matter much?
-
What's your current caloric intake J?
We have it calculated out as:
2265 cal.
Protein - 334 (58.98%)
Carbs - 70 (12.36%)
Fats - 83 (32.98%)
I dropped from 3010kcal before I changed to this and I'm dropping fast but not losing any muscle.
-
The brain needs 130 grams of carbs per day to function properly.
Which explains why half of my posts for the last few weeks have been rambling and incoherent :-\
-
LOL!
okay. so dave palumbo, everyoen he has ever trained,everyone who has ever done the atkins diet, and every bodybuilder who has ever dieted for the show....they should all be dead. or have malfunctioniing brains.
get a grip, douchebag!
teh human body NEEDS zero carbs!
there are tribes of eskimos in alaska that consume ZERO carbs everyday of their life. and they statistically have much better body compositions naturally than almost every other tribe/culture on the planet.
exactly right, hedghog you are wrong - its as simple as you ! :o
-
If eskimos ate zero carbs, then they must have the worst constipation known to man!!
Where in the hell do they get their fiber???
the high oil content of the diet keep things nice and smooth.
i take it you never tried a low carb diet?
-
I tried a low carb diet but I couldnt do it for too long....energy wasnt there, joints ached, had major headaches! And I felt like I was getting smaller. It got rid of excess water and helped me get cut but it also made me lose muscle mass as well....
Im going to try it again though to see how cut I can get but I am not going to do it long term...
-
the high oil content of the diet keep things nice and smooth.
i take it you never tried a low carb diet?
Most eskimos are fat, they're getting carbs and fats from somewhere.
-
.... you mental midget.
hahahahhhahaha
-
Most eskimos are fat, they're getting carbs and fats from somewhere.
Hard to imagine where how they are consuming all that fat? ???
-
The brain needs 130 grams of carbs per day to function properly.
Not exactly, the brain specifically needs glucose and in the absence of carbohydrates can get it's daily glucose requirement from a process called glucogenesis. Glucogenesisis the production of glucose in the liver from non-carbohydrate precursors such as glycogenic amino acids from animal protein and fat. Specifically the formation of carbohydrates from protein and fats. With the glycerol portion of fat, the majority of amino acids from proteins can be easily converted into carbohydrates. This is why there is no biological need for carbohydrates. The body will make the glucose (sugar) it needs from protein and natural fat.
-
LOL!
okay. so dave palumbo, everyoen he has ever trained,everyone who has ever done the atkins diet, and every bodybuilder who has ever dieted for the show....they should all be dead. or have malfunctioniing brains.
This would explain why pro bodybuilders seem to have water on the brain.
-
Not exactly, the brain specifically needs glucose and in the absence of carbohydrates can get it's daily glucose requirement from a process called glucogenesis. Glucogenesisis the production of glucose in the liver from non-carbohydrate precursors such as glycogenic amino acids from animal protein and fat. Specifically the formation of carbohydrates from protein and fats. With the glycerol portion of fat, the majority of amino acids from proteins can be easily converted into carbohydrates. This is why there is no biological need for carbohydrates. The body will make the glucose (sugar) it needs from protein and natural fat.
You're wrong.
It's ketones. And ketogenesis.
Glycogenesis is something entirely different.
You being a prep expert should know that, no?
-
Ketones. And ketogenesis.
Glycogenesis is something entirely different.
You being a prep expert should know that, no?
Then explain to me exactly what about my post is wrong??
-
Then explain to me exactly what about my post is wrong??
i think he was pointing out an error in semantics, disgusted.
its what he is doing instead of admitting his fault, apologizing for his unsuited insults, and having a sense of humility.
hes what you might call a "mental midget". ;)
-
Then explain to me exactly what about my post is wrong??
Ok.
First off, it's not called glucogenesis, it's glycogenesis. But that's just a spelling error.
Then, the process you describe is fairly accurate. For ketogenesis.
Do you follow?
Glycogenesis, as the word suggests, occurs when glucose synthesizes into glycogen.
-
hes what you might call a "mental midget". ;)
so your a mental giant ? ::)
-
phil heath, 5'9 245lbs off season 21" arms 30" legs 19" calves says in flex he eats 3800 calories on a typical day off-season, and even post the diet in detail every meal of it
my question is, how come so many getbigger feel they need to eat so much more than him?
(http://www.phillipheath.com/images/gallery/bg6.jpg)
Thats exactly why i question milos's recommended calorie intake which i think is too high. This is proof.
-
i think he was pointing out an error in semantics, disgusted.
its what he is doing instead of admitting his fault, apologizing for his unsuited insults, and having a sense of humility.
hes what you might call a "mental midget". ;)
Then explain to me exactly what about my post is wrong??
Look, didn't mean to offend anyone.
Sorry. ;D
-
I don't think that the body necessarily needs carbs off the bat, it has the ability to convert other nutrient
to glucose, i think it is the ''preferred''[quick source of energy]. But I've also read that you function better in ketosis. Conflicting, as ever! ;D
I think because bodybuilders need tremendous energy to fuel the training that's especially important to have some carbs throughout the day building up to the workout.
-
Ok.
First off, it's not called glucogenesis, it's glycogenesis. But that's just a spelling error.
Then, the process you describe is fairly accurate. For ketogenesis.
Do you follow?
Glycogenesis, as the word suggests, occurs when glucose synthesizes into glycogen.
Spelling error noted, but I still fail to see where I am wrong in what I posted? You said and I quote "The brain needs 130 grams of carbs per day to function properly". This statment is false!!! My point is that your brain needs glucose NOT carbs. By you incorrectly stating it needs carbs you are falsely implying that if one does not consume carbs that it is not healthy for the brain that is why I posted about glucogenisis.
-
Spelling error noted, but I still fail to see where I am wrong in what I posted? You said and I quote "The brain needs 130 grams of carbs per day to function properly". This statment is false!!! My point is that your brain needs glucose NOT carbs. By you incorrectly stating it needs carbs you are falsely implying that if one does not consume carbs that it is not healthy for the brain that is why I posted about glucogenisis.
It wasn't just spelling wrong. You claimed it was glyconesis, which is something entirely different. Check out "glycogenesis" and what that is, you will see that it's something entirely different from what you described.
Yes. The brain is affected by a low-carb diet, if it's forced into ketogenesis. It slows down. That is why some epileptics are kept on a low carb/high fat diet. The lowered activity keeps them from having seizures.
I shouldn't have used the term "properly" though. I apologize. The brain isn't able to perform at normal capacity. I hope this clears up things.
-
phil heath, 5'9 245lbs off season 21" arms 30" legs 19" calves says in flex he eats 3800 calories on a typical day off-season, and even post the diet in detail every meal of it
my question is, how come so many getbigger feel they need to eat so much more than him?
(http://www.phillipheath.com/images/gallery/bg6.jpg)
Because they fail to realize after a point it's not so much about the food, it's about UP'ING THE DOSAGE!!!
-
It wasn't just spelling wrong. You claimed it was glyconesis, which is something entirely different. Check out "glycogenesis" and what that is, you will see that it's something entirely different from what you described.
Yes. The brain is affected by a low-carb diet, if it's forced into ketogenesis. It slows down. That is why some epileptics are kept on a low carb/high fat diet. The lowered activity keeps them from having seizures.
I shouldn't have used the term "properly" though. I apologize. The brain isn't able to perform at normal capacity. I hope this clears up things.
Researchers do not yet scpecifically know why epileptics have less seizures while on a low carb diet again you are wrong by stating they have less seizures because, I quote you again "It slows down".
You say the brain "is affected" by a low carb diet. Please explain why and how it may be affected in a negative and or positive way?
-
Researchers do not yet scpecifically know why epileptics have less seizures while on a low carb diet again you are wrong by stating they have less seizures because, I quote you again "It slows down".
You say the brain "is affected" by a low carb diet. Please explain why and how it may be affected in a negative and or positive way?
Why do you call it glycogenesis in the first place?
Do you know what glycogenesis is?
-
Why do you call it glycogenesis in the first place?
Do you know what glycogenesis is?
You obviously have an issue when someone proves you wrong. ;D
-
You obviously have an issue when someone proves you wrong. ;D
Maybe I'm currently in glycogenesis. ;D
-
Maybe I'm currently in glycogenesis. ;D
;D