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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bizzy on October 02, 2007, 10:29:22 PM
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First of all I am in no way saying that the 1992 version of Yates
was better than the 1993 version. He weighed 244 in 1992 and 257 in 1993.
I wasn't at either contests so I really can't say. I do think he lost something
between the Horton pics weighing 269 and the actual Olympia at 257.
I do know in 1992 he was absolutely peeled and you can see his face
from that year was sunk in like crazy. Most bodybuilders can appear bigger
with crazy conditioning. Wolf being a good example this weekend... 5''11 - 250.
Anyway, I pulled these screen caps off of youtube and found it quite interesting.
I know the scale is different and the lighting is better in 1992. You hear laot of talk about
Yates 1993 and on but I think people forget how good he was in 1992.
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i feel he was over dieted in 92.
after Haney beat him in 91 then retired i feel Yates's priority was condition as he was going to be up against smaller tighter competitors like Shawn Ray and Lee Labrada.
when he won in 92 he was Mr Olympia and could set his own goals and take his physique to where he wanted and the rest would have to play catch up.
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He weighed 244 in 1992
He weighted 242 lbs in 1992.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He was 239 in 91.
244 sounds about right for 92
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Yes he said in his book that his main competition at that Olympia was going to be Shawn Ray and Lee Labrada who would both weigh around 200 so what did it matter to be 240 or 250? Dorian was pretty much THE mass monster at the time, better to be ripped so
Shawn had nothing to bitch about he could beat them on everything.
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He was 239 in 91.
244 sounds about right for 92
No, he was 242 lbs in 1992.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I would still think the statement that Dorian made regarding his 92 vs 93 prep backfired on bodybuilding. It defiantly worked for him and he gain solid muscle weight. But people now days say that I don’t want to get ready early and they end up looking bloated onstage or don’t trim all the fat they have. We see guys coming up every year heavier but fatter. And say I was holding a bit of water.
Ya right
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The lighting and background was awesome in '92. :o
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It would appear as if he got rid of the mullet for 93' Big mistake! As every good bodybuilder knows, the mullet brings unreal power.
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granite hardness,and thick at his run,but today would be considered light in the legs except calves.
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No, he was 242 lbs in 1992.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Prove it.
I didn't think so...
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Prove it.
Prove what, you moron? It is a well accepted fact that he was 242 lbs in 1992 and that he gained 15 lbs the next year, coming to the 1993 Olympia at 257 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He was 239 in 91.
244 sounds about right for 92
Man he was 29 years old but looked like 35+
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when he won in 92 he was Mr Olympia and could set his own goals and take his physique to where he wanted and the rest would have to play catch up.
this worked well leading into 93.
problem was, he pushed his physique so hard with heaving training that he screwed himself for 94 and onward..
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Prove it.
I didn't think so...
You didn't think at all ;)
Dorian Yates from his book Blood & Guts page 16 on the topic of the 1992 Mr Olympia
" I took mt weight down to 242 pounds for the show. "
now don't you look fucking stupid.
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1992 - 1993
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Prove what, you moron? It is a well accepted fact that he was 242 lbs in 1992 and that he gained 15 lbs the next year, coming to the 1993 Olympia at 257 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you both are wrong..he was exactly 243.208434897343 lbs in 1992
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I don't want to argue over two pounds.
Who cares really. ESPN had it at 244 and
I would guess they got that number from Dorian
himself. He may have dropped to 242 and carbed up to 244.
The only problem with the above 2 pics are:
1. They are not up to scale although much better
scale than my screen shots.
2. Dorian looked better onstage in 1992 then his
pre contest pics and looked worse onstage in 1993
than his pre contest pics of 1993 at 269.
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2. Dorian looked better onstage in 1992 then his
pre contest pics and looked worse onstage in 1993
than his pre contest pics of 1993 at 269.
this is very true.
part of impact of the 93 famous shots was due to the fact that they were taken in black and white under highly controlled lighting conditions (resulting in amazing contrast/shadows eg. the famous side tri shot)
on stage under bright lights, dorian looked less impressive.
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227-229 in 1990 (not the Mr. Olympia...but when he lost to Momo Benaziza)
239 in 1991
242 in 1992
I have seen both 256 and 257 for 1993
260 in 1994
about the same in 1995
256-257 in 1996
268-269 in 1997
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this is very true.
part of impact of the 93 famous shots was due to the fact that they were taken in black and white under highly controlled lighting conditions (resulting in amazing contrast/shadows eg. the famous side tri shot)
on stage under bright lights, dorian looked less impressive.
did you type ' highly controlled lighting conditions ' lol the photographer on the exact pictures in question
Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.
Kevin Horton on the B&W of Yates
I agree. Nobody would have even have heard of Yates if those shots had been in colour. He was really only 110lbs with one leg 6 inches longer than the other and as smooth as a babies arse. He would never have won all those titles either because the judges were obviously influenced by the black and white tonality.
Amazing what Tri-X can do for a physique. Kodak should use it in their advertising campaign.
Hulkster I just love crushing your stupidity I mean you commit to this insanely ignorant posts with an air of knowledge like you know what you're talking about that what makes bitch slapping you even more fun
There you have the photographer specifically stated from a professional standpoint the photo was terrible and fortunately the physique awesome lol so much for ' highly controlled lighting conditions ' lol
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227-229 in 1990 (not the Mr. Olympia...but when he lost to Momo Benaziza)
239 in 1991
242 in 1992
I have seen both 256 and 257 for 1993
260 in 1994
about the same in 1995
256-257 in 1996
268-269 in 1997
262 in 1994 and 270 in 1997 at the prejudging
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Peter McGough on the famous Kevin Horton precontest black & whites of Dorian at 269lbs
I was present when those shots were taken and it was the most stunning unveiling of a physique these peepers had seen since my intial view of SERGIO OLIVA at the 1971 NABBA Mr Universe. that day , Dorian's physique blew my - if not his own -socks off.
Peter McGough Ironage
June 06 , 2003
The later photos were taken in his gym about seven weeks before the 1993 Olympia. He'd just finished a chest workout and he weighed 269 pounds. If I had to rate my most memorable bodybuilding moment the sight of Dorian that day would be neck-and-neck with the first time I saw Sergio. He hit the first shot, double biceps, and I walked up to him and said, "Don't worry Dorian. You have plenty of time to fix this. All is not lost."
I mean get serious
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did you type ' highly controlled lighting conditions ' lol the photographer on the exact pictures in question
Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.
Kevin Horton on the B&W of Yates
I agree. Nobody would have even have heard of Yates if those shots had been in colour. He was really only 110lbs with one leg 6 inches longer than the other and as smooth as a babies arse. He would never have won all those titles either because the judges were obviously influenced by the black and white tonality.
Amazing what Tri-X can do for a physique. Kodak should use it in their advertising campaign.
Hulkster I just love crushing your stupidity I mean you commit to this insanely ignorant posts with an air of knowledge like you know what you're talking about that what makes bitch slapping you even more fun
There you have the photographer specifically stated from a professional standpoint the photo was terrible and fortunately the physique awesome lol so much for ' highly controlled lighting conditions ' lol
ND, you are a complete and utter moron if you think that a shot with this sort of lighting and contrast is not well thought out and planned.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates06.jpg)
anyone who thinks that this is a 'technically terrible' shot is naive and stupid when it comes to photography. period.
you probably think all reality TV shows are completely and totally live and random, don't you?
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ND, you are a complete and utter moron if you think that a shot with this sort of lighting and contrast is not well thought out and planned.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates06.jpg)
anyone who thinks that this is a 'technically terrible' shot is naive and stupid when it comes to photography. period.
you probably think all reality TV shows are completely and totally live and random, don't you?
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Moron the photographer said it was a terrible shot technically he's a professional he would know , you have a very LONG history of contradicting eyewitnesses lol they say ignorance is bliss this would make you the happiest person on the planet !
and nice diversionary tactic ::) Hulkster now knows more than Kevin Horton a professional bodybuilding photographer lol and FYI moron these were NEVER intended for publication they were for Dorian's personal use as a gauge after McGough seen how impressive the physique was he ran them in Flex and everyone was shocked , this wasn't a magazine photoshoot , damn you look fucking stupid right now lol
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its amazing how naive people can be..
those shots were very well done.
they are not technically horrible.
if you believe that, well, then I feel very sorry for you.
because you are as dumb and gullable as a fucking rock.
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I agree. Nobody would have even have heard of Yates if those shots had been in colour. He was really only 110lbs with one leg 6 inches longer than the other and as smooth as a babies arse.
the irony of this statement is incredible... :-\
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=172772.0;attach=201364;image)
best front lat spread of all time.
hands down.
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its amazing how naive people can be..
those shots were very well done.
they are not technically horrible.
if you believe that, well, then I feel very sorry for you.
because you are as dumb and gullable as a fucking rock.
Your a fucking idiot.
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Your a fucking idiot.
I see ND's naivety has rubbed off on you.
you are kidding yourself if you think those shots were done half assed and by an amateur.
they were not.
a lot of work went into shots like that.
and of course, many many many shots were taken and you only see the very best one in print.
thats the way things work in the world of magazine photography..
but then again, its pretty apparent that you would not know that.. :-\
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Your a fucking idiot.
The guy who took those pics came on here and said,
He went by Dorian's gym...
Snapped those photos for Dorians archive.
And the rest is history.
THE GUY WHO TOOK THE PICS. POSTED THAT HERE.
Your a fucking idiot.
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Hopefully this will be a decent analogy. I owned a recording
studio for 9 years. I made albums for some record companies
and meticulously did mike placement, set up, effects ect. to get the
best sound possible. I did alot of demos that were rushed and
did the bare basics to get them in and out. Some of those quick demos
sounded better than the expensive albums we made. I think he did just
come in and take the pics with no fancy setup, lighting ect.
BUT...the fact is they came out incredible regardless of the energy
spent to make them great.
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Dorian Yates looks like 100 pounds of dog shit in a 5 pound bag, any year! Worst Mr. Olympia of all time. Makes Jay Cutler look like Flex Wheeler.
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its amazing how naive people can be..
those shots were very well done.
they are not technically horrible.
if you believe that, well, then I feel very sorry for you.
because you are as dumb and gullable as a fucking rock.
Its amazing how fucking stupid you are , its amazing the lengths you will go to to try and salvage your stupid opinions . you committed to a very ignorant statement ( not the first time ) and you were utterly crushed for it and now as usual you try to dismiss everyone its sad , no seriously its sad
the professional bodybuilding photographer who took the series of photos in question specifically stated that from a technical standpoint the picture was terrible which just crushes your massively stupid statement that the pics where taken in ' highly controlled lighting conditions '
the pictures were NEVER intended for publication , they were for Dorian's personal use to gauge his progress from year-to-year upon seeing them McGough who said it was the best physique since Sergio Oliva decided to publish them in Flex and people to this day are still talking about them
You're finished Hulkster you're beyond being taken seriously anymore
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Your a fucking idiot.
The guy who took those pics came on here and said,
He went by Dorian's gym...
Snapped those photos for Dorians archive.
And the rest is history.
THE GUY WHO TOOK THE PICS. POSTED THAT HERE.
Your a fucking idiot.
I mean can you believe how stupid this kid is? I mean seriously lol he's arguing with the guy who took the pictures lol
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The thing about all this 'technically terrible' stuff is that it means nothing because Dorian never looked as good as in these photos at any other time in his carreer. So your argument is basically that "Dorian is better than Ronnie because Dorian's true best is even better than those awesome all-time-best photos". The speculative nature of this argument is just that, speculation. It's the same as saying "Dorian was better because although he doesn't look as good as Ronnie in pictures or on video he had something magical in person." Now these may both be true, but they are also arguments based on guess work as to how much better he really looked in the flesh than in photos. Now ND I know you realise all this anyway, so I think 'technically terrible' can be laid to rest.
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I mean can you believe how stupid this kid is? I mean seriously lol he's arguing with the guy who took the pictures lol
so would anyone with a brain.
you are as gullible, stupid and naive as they come.
If I want to make myself look better as a photographer, of course I am going to say they are 'technically horrible'..
even if I put lots of time into them.
its called marketing yourself.
you are naive and stupid if you think the photos from that shoot are halfassed.
you cannnot dispute this fact.
your lack of basic intelligence and simple know how is amazing.
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ND did you even take the time to LOOK at the lighting/shadows and contrast in those shots?
do you not UNDERSTAND that they were not 'technically horrible'?
they are VERY WELL DONE you fucking idiot..
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270 in 1997 at the prejudging
He was 266 lbs for the pre-judging and 274 lbs at the night show.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The thing about all this 'technically terrible' stuff is that it means nothing because Dorian never looked as good as in these photos at any other time in his carreer. So your argument is basically that "Dorian is better than Ronnie because Dorian's true best is even better than those awesome all-time-best photos". The speculative nature of this argument is just that, speculation. It's the same as saying "Dorian was better because although he doesn't look as good as Ronnie in pictures or on video he had something magical in person." Now these may both be true, but they are also arguments based on guess work as to how much better he really looked in the flesh than in photos. Now ND I know you realise all this anyway, so I think 'technically terrible' can be laid to rest.
Dorian never looked as good as these photos photos at any other time in his career says who? you ? look at the side by side of Yates from 1993 a few weeks out to 1994 a few weeks out just as impressive
So your argument is basically that "Dorian is better than Ronnie because Dorian's true best is even better than those awesome all-time-best photos".
No thats not my argument not by a long shot , my argument is Dorian would beat Ronnie because he simply meets the judging criteria better than Ronnie does period.
and its not speculation that Dorian would look better than he did in the black & white photos and why? because part of the judging criteria is conditioning & density and while Dorian is amazingly hard and dry at that weight he usually didn't compete at that weight because his conditioning had to be 100% spot on and Dorian was 9 pounds lighter in 1995 with spot on conditioning , so entertaining what you THOUGHT was my argument Dorian has looked better than in those black & white pics I think I proved my case
It's the same as saying "Dorian was better because although he doesn't look as good as Ronnie in pictures or on video he had something magical in person." Now these may both be true, but they are also arguments based on guess work as to how much better he really looked in the flesh than in photos. Now ND I know you realise all this anyway, so I think 'technically terrible' can be laid to rest.
No these are NOT arguments based on guesswork I know you're as casual visitor to the thread so perhaps you missed these quotes , this isn't guess work these are from eyewitnesses who specifically mention the fact Yates simply doesn't look as good in person as he does in print or video
Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates
" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .
Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.
" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).
No guessing needed its comes from a number of credible sources who all felt compelled to mention that and no we can't lay the ' terrible from a technical standpoint ' to rest , how about we take it on the authority of the photographer of the picture , also keep in mind these photos were NEVER intended for publication they were for personal use and they were informal so anyone who contradicts this claim is a fucking idiot with an agenda and bias
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so would anyone with a brain.
you are as gullible, stupid and naive as they come.
If I want to make myself look better as a photographer, of course I am going to say they are 'technically horrible'..
even if I put lots of time into them.
its called marketing yourself.
you are naive and stupid if you think the photos from that shoot are halfassed.
you cannnot dispute this fact.
your lack of basic intelligence and simple know how is amazing.
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Hulkster you're a fucking idiot plain & simple you're full of excuses for your ignorance , I don't fucking care what you type at this point its the ramblings of a retard , you're directly contradicting the guy who took the shots and why? because it proves you know not a damn thing , you have to TRY and prove this big conspiracy theory that they were indeed masterfully done and it was an elaborate ruse to make us all ohh and ahhh and praise the abilities of a great photographer already , and low and behold Hulkster the internet-fan-boy once again figured it all out sitting at home in Canada on his PC , if Kevin Horton says it was technically a terrible shot it was period , end of sentence .
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ND, learn something about photography or shut the fuck up.
you really need to take some courses on both philosophy and photography because you apparently know jack shit about both of them..
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ND, learn something about photography or shut the fuck up.
you really need to take some courses on both philosophy and photography because you apparently know jack shit about both of them..
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Moron learn something about bodybuilding before you commit to your massively ignorant comments ;) and again we see a pattern of Hulkster the internet-fan-boy's critique getting demolished what does an idiot do? tell the professional photographer he's wrong , so lets see now Hulkster is a IFBB Judge , a Professional Bodybuilding Writer , he's a Professional Photographer and a Professional Philosopher all from the comfort of his home
you make me laugh Hulkster :)