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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Deicide on October 07, 2007, 08:10:49 AM
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I think he has a pretty much ideal figure, chiseled and well developed but not huge; what many of us would like to look like but he also claims natural status:
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr4.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr3.jpg)
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uh oh somebody helped a little along on the abs there can you spell Photoshop?
(http://www.goddudes.com/1.gif)
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about as natural as OJ's wife's death..
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if this guy's natural..... he's a lucky bastard
the pic is not photoshoped
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if this guy's natural..... he's a lucky bastard
the pic is not photoshoped
He touts himself as a natural personal trainer...
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if this guy's natural..... he's a lucky bastard
the pic is not photoshoped
yes it is, they highlighted the shadown between the abs to make them more dominant, trust me I know Photoshop inside out and I know that mags like Mens Health and many others do that always.
(http://www.goddudes.com/1.gif)
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Not natural
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There is NO way that this guy is anywhere near natural.
A physique like that is even hard to achieve with the help of aas and most people will never ever get there no matter how much they take.
To look like that you need good genetics , dedication over many years and of course juice.
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yes it is, they highlighted the shadown between the abs to make them more dominant, trust me I know Photoshop inside out and I know that mags like Mens Health and many others do that always.
(http://www.goddudes.com/1.gif)
Big deal. Pretty sure the guy has abs anyways. Nice try to make a guy who looks good, look bad
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Big deal. Pretty sure the guy has abs anyways. Nice try to make a guy who looks good, look bad
Calm down Gloria
(http://www.goddudes.com/1.gif)
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As natural as the Top 6 of this years Olympia..... ::)
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As natural as the Top 6 of this years Olympia..... ::)
Der Affemann hat gesprochen!
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Der Affemann hat gesprochen!
Und Recht hatter
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well developed but not huge
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr4.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr3.jpg)
have you lost your mind?
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juiced on and off. Notice how natural guys do not have roundish delts, they usually square off. If you juice then you know this, the first place you see go flat is your delts, even when not site injecting, they just don't carry the volume.
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yes it is, they highlighted the shadown between the abs to make them more dominant, trust me I know Photoshop inside out and I know that mags like Mens Health and many others do that always.
(http://www.goddudes.com/1.gif)
ur right the shade between the abs in first pic is either air brushed or photoshoped.........
and ,no this bit#h aint natural
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ur right the shade between the abs in first pic is either air brushed or photoshoped.........
and ,no this bit#h aint natural
Are you guys talking about the colored photo, the top portion of his abs?
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Classic beanie wearing, "natural" gay for pay performer. ::)
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small cycle probably or natural.
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small cycle probably or natural.
;D
I think he does not even cycle anylonger but is on all the time and i could be wrong but i highly doubt that he uses less than 2 grams a week (+ sth of course) but that depends on how well he responds to aas.
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ur right the shade between the abs in first pic is either air brushed or photoshoped.........
and ,no this bit#h aint natural
tell that to pushinweight he had a massive meltdown because I mortally offended his boyfriend ::)
(http://www.goddudes.com/1.gif)
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he was in Mike Mentzer's High Intensity Training video. he looks good there, but on it he stated that he trained once every 4 to 5 days. i highly doubt that he could stay that big and ripped on that type of training schedule without the help of drugs.
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Believable.
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could be but i doubt it.
what organisation does he compete in?
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not naturel
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Shopped and a little deca/clen/primo.
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how can you even ask such a stupid question? JUICED.
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how can you even ask such a stupid question? JUICED.
:D good point
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This guy used to have nasty gyno back in the day
Juiced... and not just a little
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I believe he's around 5'10 and 220. Seems potentially realistic...
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id say natural. id believe him
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id say natural. id believe him
::)
Because you have "monstrous" genetics yourself, right "goudy"? ::)
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no because he is not unbbelievably large or unrealistically large after 15 years training say.
dickhead...
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no because he is not unbbelievably large or unrealistically large after 15 years training say.
dickhead...
What makes you think that one could get this physique after 15 years of natural training ?
I honestly don't think that you've been training that long or are anywhere near that body.
There is something called a natural limit and Markus Rheinhardt is far beyond this.
After some years of training you simply don't get any bigger.
There's no big change if you look at a natural bodybuilder after 10 years or 15 years for example.
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I don't think he claims to be life time natural. There are plenty of pics of him from years ago where he looks like your average juiced bodybuilder. While all his contests have been MuscleMania, MuscleMania did not start out claiming to be a natural contest. (Dennis Newman won a MuscleMania contest.)
and you can't call someone gay for pay when they're openly gay.
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no because he is not unbbelievably large or unrealistically large after 15 years training say.
dickhead...
lol...so you would call savastese natural also? ::)
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There is NO way that this guy is anywhere near natural.
A physique like that is even hard to achieve with the help of aas and most people will never ever get there no matter how much they take.
To look like that you need good genetics , dedication over many years and of course juice.
I am pretty sure he is natural/ or not on any AAS or HGH. He is not that massive nor exploeded looking.
His look is genetics, hard training and diet . It is an impressive physique , but NOT some 250 lb freak.
In my experience the drug use just gives more of the man already has.
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Here is the guy's website...doesn't look too natural to me...
http://www.markusreinhardt.com/
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I believe he's around 5'10 and 220. Seems potentially realistic...
yea, to a stupid person.
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living proof that HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING WORKS!
Mentzer: "COME ON MARKUS!"
Markus: "I HATE YOU!"
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If he is natural then he can go pro. If he isn't then no big deal
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I believe he's around 5'10 and 220. Seems potentially realistic...
You are a fucking moron still I see.
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not natrual
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hes probably very short.
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(http://www.francoisgay.com/bilderweb/franc-ztng1.jpg)
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I am pretty sure he is natural/ or not on any AAS or HGH. He is not that massive nor exploeded looking.
His look is genetics, hard training and diet . It is an impressive physique , but NOT some 250 lb freak.
In my experience the drug use just gives more of the man already has.
You have to be huge if you think that this body is not that massive!
95% of the people would never ever look like that no matter how much they take or how much they want it.
Even for a juiced guy that's a good result.
Look at his traps or legs..
Enough said.
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here is his story.
http://www.markusreinhardt.com/coming2america.htm
natural hmm well then he's the best natural on the planet probably :D
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if skip la cour is natural, this guy is too.
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As natural like gustavo badell and michael lockett ;D
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(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr4.jpg)
I gotta say I think in that pic I would say Natural is possible, but in some of the others no way ;).
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I think he has a pretty much ideal figure, chiseled and well developed but not huge; what many of us would like to look like but he also claims natural status:
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr4.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr3.jpg)
Is the hat to hide his premature "natural baldness" ?
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I think he has a pretty much ideal figure, chiseled and well developed but not huge; what many of us would like to look like but he also claims natural status:
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr4.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr3.jpg)
does he make money on his physique? does he claim to be natural?
= drug user
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he worked with metzer
and metzer was the drug king...mike probably coughed on him a couple times and transfered some AAS to him
seriously...anyone who thinks this guy is natural should be shot...preferably with a rocket launcher in their anus
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he worked with metzer
and metzer was the drug king...mike probably coughed on him a couple times and transfered some AAS to him
seriously...anyone who thinks this guy is natural should be shot...preferably with a rocket launcher in their anus
Well, he still looks good. I will never have a body like that but if I could that would be the one I want.
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(http://www.fitnessinferno.com/images/photos4Pages/01%20Olymp%20Kev&Me%2002.jpg)
This is for me the perfect natural physique, great lines and good amount of mass.
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(http://www.fitnessinferno.com/images/photos4Pages/01%20Olymp%20Kev&Me%2002.jpg)
This is for me the perfect natural physique, great lines and good amount of mass.
Kevin is 'natural' there? I hardly believe it.
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obviously can be done natural, depending on how much time you want to spend in the gym
nothing special about this physique
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obviously can be done natural, depending on how much time you want to spend in the gym
nothing special about this physique
wow ::)
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Juiced for years...
Good build.
8)
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You have to be huge if you think that this body is not that massive!
95% of the people would never ever look like that no matter how much they take or how much they want it.
Even for a juiced guy that's a good result.
Look at his traps or legs..
Enough said.
No question the guy has a large impressive physique. However compare that to the best pros and top guys that openly juice in the nationals....geeessssshh hhhh, do you guys think drugs are really THAT effective and that everyone must use to gain any muscle....c'mon.
Like it not Genetics, training and diet are the majority 80-90% of the reasons for your physique.
Face facts, if your genetics are lousy than you will never have an impressive, class physique.
An ugly babe can get a boob job , and all she is then is some FUGLY 'ho with big hooters LOL.
DIET is the reason you get the chisled look along with genetics.
Look, I could care less who does what in terms of drugs in BB. I do know lots of geeks with lousy physiques, use it as the #1 lame excuse as to why they suck as bodybuilders.
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No question the guy has a large impressive physique. However compare that to the best pros and top guys that openly juice in the nationals....geeessssshh hhhh, do you guys think drugs are really THAT effective and that everyone must use to gain any muscle....c'mon.
the top amateurs of today use steroids, gh and insulin. Markus has a physique similar to the pros of the 1970s and early 1980s, who were all on massive amounts of steroids, but not gh or insulin. why would you expect someone to be able to obtain that type of physique naturally today when they couldn't in the 1970s or 1980s? Creatine? NOx?
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What makes you think that one could get this physique after 15 years of natural training ?
I honestly don't think that you've been training that long or are anywhere near that body.
There is something called a natural limit and Markus Rheinhardt is far beyond this.
After some years of training you simply don't get any bigger.
There's no big change if you look at a natural bodybuilder after 10 years or 15 years for example.
if you have great genetics and a great training programme coupled with good nutrition injury free etc it is possible. yes he is in the minority though that is why he is a top pro and not an average natural bbuilder,
i disagree with teh natural limit. dont think anyone has ever reached their natural limit
i have not trained that long compared to him or have anywherenear that amount of developmnent. thats irrelevant.
musclemania is only a 1yr drug free which is gay. feds such as the bnbf are better respected.
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I think he has a pretty much ideal figure, chiseled and well developed but not huge; what many of us would like to look like but he also claims natural status:
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr4.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/mr3.jpg)
Natural? Ummmmm no...
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naturally juiced.
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Tim Fogarty,
Goudy (who has been posting in this thread) is natural, has only been training a couple of years and is well nigh as impressive as Reinhardt (minus the legs, sorry Goudy). When in shape I myself am a very solid 180 lbs and would be ripped to a high competition standard at 165-170 lbs, which at 5'5'' is pretty comparable sizewise to an early Lee Labrada (around the time of his first Universe win for example), albeit with a much larger frame and slightly lower FFMI (fat free muscle index).
I wouldn't be sure whether or not Reinhardt is juiced or natural... but his level of development is not completely unattainable for a natural. Discussion of a natural limit (such as the FFMI) is interesting, but counterproductive for the vast majority of trainees who simply:
-don't know how to train
-don't know how to diet
-don't train hard
-don't train consistently
-want an excuse for their inability to gain muscle
To all the naysayers,
The average (that's AVERAGE) 5'9'' male trainee should be able to:
-bench 3 plates (315 lbs) for one good rep
-squat 4 plates (405 lbs) for one good rep (full depth)
-deadlift 5 plates (495 lbs) for one good rep
...within three years of starting to lift weights. This used to be known as the 3-4-5 rule.
Nowadays everyone simply assumes that anyone who looks like they might lift weights MUST be on the sauce... and sadly the reality is that most guys who look as if they lift weights are steroid users... but they needn't be.
No one should consider using steroids till they have reached the 3-4-5 level... and if that takes you twenty years (as it would for half of this board) then don't bother with the steroids because you don't know how to do the basics.
The Luke
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Luke, thanks for kind words however i wudnt go newhere near as far to say i am comparable to him.
however yes you can keep improving and growing after many years of training. yes i have only been training just over 3 years with broken spells, however its oin the past 3 months i have made my biggest gaiuns in size and strength. at a time when most people say my gains should indeed be slowing...
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(http://www.francoisgay.com/bilderweb/franc-ztng1.jpg)
Could this mag cover be any fvcken gayer ? :-*
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the top amateurs of today use steroids, gh and insulin. Markus has a physique similar to the pros of the 1970s and early 1980s, who were all on massive amounts of steroids, but not gh or insulin. why would you expect someone to be able to obtain that type of physique naturally today when they couldn't in the 1970s or 1980s? Creatine? NOx?
Tim...you always use this argument. I disagree with your premise every time. You say "these natural look like the guys in the 70s and 80s"
They don't. Put them side by side (which you can't) and you'll see how much size the pros in the 70s and 80s have on these naturals.
Yes. Pictures DO lie. Photography and lighting is much better now. Side by side is the only way you can compare people. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT! Almost every top pro looks like a Mr.O winner standing all by themselves.
Although Arnold was quite impressive in many photos, you really don't see how mucular, lean, and masive he was until you see the video footage.
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the top amateurs of today use steroids, gh and insulin. Markus has a physique similar to the pros of the 1970s and early 1980s, who were all on massive amounts of steroids, but not gh or insulin. why would you expect someone to be able to obtain that type of physique naturally today when they couldn't in the 1970s or 1980s? Creatine? NOx?
always good posts from you tim......also even if the physique was attainable for a natural....the fact that he makes money from his physique and he is so involved in the "health" industry would guarantee that he was using alot of drugs.
its not (only) a question about his physique its a question about the mentality that exists in the "health culture" combined with money making opportunities.
=drugs
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Tim Fogarty,
Goudy (who has been posting in this thread) is natural, has only been training a couple of years and is well nigh as impressive as Reinhardt (minus the legs, sorry Goudy). When in shape I myself am a very solid 180 lbs and would be ripped to a high competition standard at 165-170 lbs, which at 5'5'' is pretty comparable sizewise to an early Lee Labrada (around the time of his first Universe win for example), albeit with a much larger frame and slightly lower FFMI (fat free muscle index).
I wouldn't be sure whether or not Reinhardt is juiced or natural... but his level of development is not completely unattainable for a natural. Discussion of a natural limit (such as the FFMI) is interesting, but counterproductive for the vast majority of trainees who simply:
-don't know how to train
-don't know how to diet
-don't train hard
-don't train consistently
-want an excuse for their inability to gain muscle
To all the naysayers,
The average (that's AVERAGE) 5'9'' male trainee should be able to:
-bench 3 plates (315 lbs) for one good rep
-squat 4 plates (405 lbs) for one good rep (full depth)
-deadlift 5 plates (495 lbs) for one good rep
...within three years of starting to lift weights. This used to be known as the 3-4-5 rule.
Nowadays everyone simply assumes that anyone who looks like they might lift weights MUST be on the sauce... and sadly the reality is that most guys who look as if they lift weights are steroid users... but they needn't be.
No one should consider using steroids till they have reached the 3-4-5 level... and if that takes you twenty years (as it would for half of this board) then don't bother with the steroids because you don't know how to do the basics.
The Luke
Rather scornful of you...you fail to mention at what age someone begins, what their athletic background is, etc...
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Goudy (who has been posting in this thread) is natural, has only been training a couple of years and is well nigh as impressive as Reinhardt (minus the legs, sorry Goudy).
I don't know what Goudy looks like, but his profile says he's 21. Markus is late 30s. It's a lot easier to pack on muscle when you still have all that adolescent testosterone. It's much harder to stay big (and lean) as you get older. Also, I would see Markus now and then at Gold's, and sometimes he'd look bigger and harder than other times, kind of in a cyclical pattern.
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or maybe hes cycling vapor-nano9x !!!
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Fools, he admits it on his own website:
"He had also begun competing again in his new home, in both natural and non-tested contests. “I did a few cycles of steroids off and on through 1994,” he admits, “nothing major.” After 1994 he decided to give them up completely. “I have good enough genetics that I don’t need to weigh 250 pounds to look impressive. Plus, my waistline is smaller, my face looks better and younger without them, and everybody I knew was telling me how great I looked clean.” Indeed, that was when his career as a fitness model really took off, and now his image has been seen in various print ads, magazines, on magazine covers, and even on an album cover."
from here(about halfway):
http://www.markusreinhardt.com/coming2america.htm
Peace
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Fools, he admits it on his own website:
"He had also begun competing again in his new home, in both natural and non-tested contests. “I did a few cycles of steroids off and on through 1994,” he admits, “nothing major.” After 1994 he decided to give them up completely. “I have good enough genetics that I don’t need to weigh 250 pounds to look impressive. Plus, my waistline is smaller, my face looks better and younger without them, and everybody I knew was telling me how great I looked clean.” Indeed, that was when his career as a fitness model really took off, and now his image has been seen in various print ads, magazines, on magazine covers, and even on an album cover."
from here(about halfway):
http://www.markusreinhardt.com/coming2america.htm
Peace
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Those photos are recent however...
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Rather scornful of you...you fail to mention at what age someone begins, what their athletic background is, etc...
...dude, the guys on this site think anyone over 150 lbs is a roid monster.
Even Adonis was accused of using for the Mr GetBig, despite the fact that he was smaller than most non-trainers.
Everyone forgets that the average age on this site is about 18 and the average mentality is that of a twelve year old:
-Reinhardt must be on steroids because he has muscles
-Matthew McConaughey must be on gear because he has abs
-Brad Pitt must have been on gear for Fight Club (for Troy maybe... but Fight Club?)
-Eugene Sandow was on gear because some doctors had prescribed glandular extracts in his time
-Hercules must have been on steroids because those labours were pretty impressive
Maybe I'll enter the Mr GetBig3 myself and show up as big as... as... well, maybe as big as Frank Zane (but a little softer) and show you all!
The Luke
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...dude, the guys on this site think anyone over 150 lbs is a roid monster.
Even Adonis was accused of using for the Mr GetBig, despite the fact that he was smaller than most non-trainers.
Everyone forgets that the average age on this site is about 18 and the average mentality is that of a twelve year old:
-Reinhardt must be on steroids because he has muscles
-Matthew McConaughey must be on gear because he has abs
-Brad Pitt must have been on gear for Fight Club (for Troy maybe... but Fight Club?)
-Eugene Sandow was on gear because some doctors had prescribed glandular extracts in his time
-Hercules must have been on steroids because those labours were pretty impressive
Maybe I'll enter the Mr GetBig3 myself and show up as big as... as... well, maybe as big as Frank Zane (but a little softer) and show you all!
The Luke
Well I started at the end o 25 to lift and am almost 30. I guess I am pathetic because I don't match your 3/5/4 formula or whatever it was. Sure I would like to but I DO train hard eat 4-6 times a day, etc. I don't think about the gym my every waking hour so maybe I am not hardcore enough. I don't think the average joe can lift those weights in 3 years unless starting off very young. Brad Pitt was definitely juiced for Troy.
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...dude, the guys on this site think anyone over 150 lbs is a roid monster.
Even Adonis was accused of using for the Mr GetBig, despite the fact that he was smaller than most non-trainers.
Everyone forgets that the average age on this site is about 18 and the average mentality is that of a twelve year old:
-Reinhardt must be on steroids because he has muscles
-Matthew McConaughey must be on gear because he has abs
-Brad Pitt must have been on gear for Fight Club (for Troy maybe... but Fight Club?)
-Eugene Sandow was on gear because some doctors had prescribed glandular extracts in his time
-Hercules must have been on steroids because those labours were pretty impressive
Maybe I'll enter the Mr GetBig3 myself and show up as big as... as... well, maybe as big as Frank Zane (but a little softer) and show you all!
The Luke
a physique like markus reinhardts (going by the 2 pics posted in this thread) can be accomplished (clean) after years of consistant training if you have very good genetics. but the reason im saying he is juiced is due to who he is and what he does. you have to understand the mentality of these guys.
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a physique like markus reinhardts (going by the 2 pics posted in this thread) can be accomplished (clean) after years of consistant training if you have very good genetics. but the reason im saying he is juiced is due to who he is and what he does. you have to understand the mentality of these guys.
With the emphasis on that...