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The season is over and A-Rod has an out clause for next season in his contract.
Does he opt out and if so where is he going? After the season he had you know Boras will demand $32-35 million per for at least 5 years.
This is going to be fascinating.
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The season is over and A-Rod has an out clause for next season in his contract.
Does he opt out and if so where is he going? After the season he had you know Boras will demand $32-35 million per for at least 5 years.
This is going to be fascinating.
Would love to see him on the sox. Prolly the cubs tho.
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Would love to see him on the sox. Prolly the cubs tho.
I can't stand the prick but HOLY SHIT can he play baseball. He's the best on the planet. I just can't see Theo and Co. giving in to what Boras will demand.
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I can't stand the prick but HOLY SHIT can he play baseball. He's the best on the planet. I just can't see Theo and Co. giving in to what Boras will demand.
Unless they trade off Manny, get rid of Lugo and start Ellsbury in left. Manny gets 20 mill per year. The sox have the cash to do this if they want. I doubt they will.
Lugo was a total bust this year. Granted look at Beckett his first year, and look at him after he got used to the big time. I dont see him with much a future in Boston. He blows.
Arod was quoted many times saying he wanted to play in Boston before NY came with more $$$$.
Arod will prolly be a cub in 08. The Yankees are going to lose several great players if Joe T get's canned. I am sure they are sick of Steinloser to. The goof needs to fire his gm ::)
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Plain and simple Yankees need PITCHING!!! :-[
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Plain and simple Yankees need PITCHING!!! :-[
Ooops wrong thread :-\
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i think he'll be gone. dont know where but ya he'll leave.
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I think Arod is a great player, probably the best in baseball, but if he leaves New York, he'll just perpetuate the prima donna stereotype and the fact that he can't play in October and is a clubhouse cancer, but if i could get 30 million i wouldn't care what someone thought of me either ;D
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but if i could get 30 million i wouldn't care what someone thought of me either ;D
actually thats a good addition for the thread.....if he leaves what do you think he'll get $$ wise elsewhere?
do you think he'll actually get more than the $25 hes getting now? :-\
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The last time I heard the Sox, Cubs and Dodgers were looking at him.
As for his play in October, I have a hunch that he would strive anywhere else. We all know good clutch players out there and Arod is that in the regular season when they have more room for error but the postseason is a different story when you know you have to hit because your team's pitching blows. With their payroll they should hit an ALCS every year but they don't have the farm system or big league pitching their payroll can buy.
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With 82 games at Fenway, Arod would bat .350's with 60 HR's.
One can hope!
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With 82 games at Fenway, Arod would bat .350's with 60 HR's.
One can hope!
I agree. As much as I hate to see Manny go it would be worth it. Ellsbury can play left field. Maybe they could resign Lowell and have Arod play short if they can axe lugo. The red sox farm has given us a ton of options.
Guys like Clay, Ellsbury , Dustin, Manny D, Lester are all ready to step in.
The sox are going to have a very nice rotation for years to come due to that farm system also. Clay and Lester are blue chippers.
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With 82 games at Fenway, Arod would bat .350's with 60 HR's.
One can hope!
I don't think his average would be that high but I don't doubt for a second that he could hit 60 and drive in 150. Ortiz and A-Rod batting 3-4 would be absolutely devastating.
As you said, one can only hope.
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A Rod is going to be a Yankee boys..
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The last time I heard the Sox, Cubs and Dodgers were looking at him.
We all know good clutch players out there and Arod is that in the regular season when they have more room for error but the postseason is a different story when you know you have to hit because your team's pitching blows. With their payroll they should hit an ALCS every year but they don't have the farm system or big league pitching their payroll can buy.
They have the #5 or #6 rated farm system according to Keith Law from Scouts Inc. ARod has not performed below his career norms in the postseason because he is worried about the Yankees pitching. It's because of sample size.
ARod being a Yankee has nothing to do with Boras or anything else. It depends on ARod. Since the Yankees have exercised the only leverage they have by saying the won't negotiate with him if he opts out, (since it makes them lose the Texas subsidy) that leaves two scenarios:
One Arod decides he does not want to be a Yankee and opts out, whether it be for sheer greed or he doesn't like playing there.
Arod really wants to stay and an extension is reached. He makes 81M over the next three years, of which 27M is subsidized by Texas. Then, at my estimation, he signs a six year extension for about 150M.
There will be no scenario of someone else offering a ton and having the Yankees counter, since nobody can legally make an offer to him while he's under contract with the Yankees. The only way to get another offer is to opt out, which means leaving the Yankees.
The brunt of all the hate to ARod is because of his insane contract. If he opts out of the most ridiculous contract in sports history to get even more money, the hate will only grow.
If he means all he's said about feeling at home in NY and wanting to stay a Yankee, then he has every opportunity to do so, and make a shitload of money doing it. If he's just been posturing all along and just lives for the thrill of the next big contract, then we'll find out soon enough as well.
The Yankees and ARod are a perfect fit. If he wants a WS ring, like them or not, the Yankees will provide him one of the best chances at getting one. As contracts like Giambi and the like are shed, and youth like Cano, Wang, Cabrerra, Hughes, Kennedy and Chamberlain are developed, the Yankees could grow to a killer combination of youth and high priced free agents. Now that Cashman is in full charge, those high priced FAs will be more Johan Santana types, rather than the Kevin Brown/Sheffield types.
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They have the #5 or #6 rated farm system according to Keith Law from Scouts Inc. ARod has not performed below his career norms in the postseason because he is worried about the Yankees pitching. It's because of sample size.
ARod being a Yankee has nothing to do with Boras or anything else. It depends on ARod. Since the Yankees have exercised the only leverage they have by saying the won't negotiate with him if he opts out, (since it makes them lose the Texas subsidy) that leaves two scenarios:
One Arod decides he does not want to be a Yankee and opts out, whether it be for sheer greed or he doesn't like playing there.
Arod really wants to stay and an extension is reached. He makes 81M over the next three years, of which 27M is subsidized by Texas. Then, at my estimation, he signs a six year extension for about 150M.
There will be no scenario of someone else offering a ton and having the Yankees counter, since nobody can legally make an offer to him while he's under contract with the Yankees. The only way to get another offer is to opt out, which means leaving the Yankees.
The brunt of all the hate to ARod is because of his insane contract. If he opts out of the most ridiculous contract in sports history to get even more money, the hate will only grow.
If he means all he's said about feeling at home in NY and wanting to stay a Yankee, then he has every opportunity to do so, and make a shitload of money doing it. If he's just been posturing all along and just lives for the thrill of the next big contract, then we'll find out soon enough as well.
The Yankees and ARod are a perfect fit. If he wants a WS ring, like them or not, the Yankees will provide him one of the best chances at getting one. As contracts like Giambi and the like are shed, and youth like Cano, Wang, Cabrerra, Hughes, Kennedy and Chamberlain are developed, the Yankees could grow to a killer combination of youth and high priced free agents. Now that Cashman is in full charge, those high priced FAs will be more Johan Santana types, rather than the Kevin Brown/Sheffield types.
Why would he opt out of a contract and sign another contract for the same money? 6/$150 is $25 Million annually, that's what he's making now. All your scenario does is add 3 years and $75 Million to his existing contract. His payday is likely to be far far greater than that.
My guess is more like 5-8*$30-32 Million.
Also, the Sox and Angels would also be perfect fits for him. Perhaps the Angels being the best of all, although I have serious doubts that anyone other than the Yankees will pay $30 Million annually.
I also think the Jeter situation is far more potent than people think. Jeter is babied and A-Rod is crucified. As more time passes A-Rod's already substantial advantage in talent is only going to increase making the different treatment that much more difficult to deal with.
I don't think he wants to stay in New York but the bottomless pockets of the Yankees might trump that.
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as a yankee fan ,heck yeah i want him to stay.but overall as any fan in any sport can't good ol' feel for the team or some obligation to stay grounded with 1 team matter at all anymore?sports in general kinda suck ,it was good as steelers fan to have same coach for 15 yrs.money at that level must be great,but enough is ok and playing for the game and fans has to still exsist.
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Why would he opt out of a contract and sign another contract for the same money? 6/$150 is $25 Million annually, that's what he's making now. All your scenario does is add 3 years and $75 Million to his existing contract. His payday is likely to be far far greater than that.
I said he signs a six year EXTENSION, meaning he doesn't opt out, just tacks on another six years to the three he has left. Maybe 6/125 is light.
Also, the Sox and Angels would also be perfect fits for him. Perhaps the Angels being the best of all, although I have serious doubts that anyone other than the Yankees will pay $30 Million annually.
I also think the Jeter situation is far more potent than people think. Jeter is babied and A-Rod is crucified. As more time passes A-Rod's already substantial advantage in talent is only going to increase making the different treatment that much more difficult to deal with.
I find it hard to believe he would go to the sox. I don't know what they offer that the Yankees don't, and he's already a Yankee. What would be the motivation? At least LA would offer a West Coast excuse for him.
I don't think he wants to stay in New York but the bottomless pockets of the Yankees might trump that.
All he's said all year is that he does want to stay in NY. If he's miserable here, he'll leave, and still get great money elsewhere.
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I said he signs a six year EXTENSION, meaning he doesn't opt out, just tacks on another six years to the three he has left. Maybe 6/125 is light.
I find it hard to believe he would go to the sox. I don't know what they offer that the Yankees don't, and he's already a Yankee. What would be the motivation? At least LA would offer a West Coast excuse for him.
All he's said all year is that he does want to stay in NY. If he's miserable here, he'll leave, and still get great money elsewhere.
Arod was quoted many times saying Boston was a place he wanted to play before he went to the yankees. Boston fans are fiercly loyal. I think he would be treated better.Fenway is a awesome place to be.
Maybe Arod craves a tight knit clubhouse like the sox have. The sox are always laughing and joking. I think Arod might have a man crush on papi :o ;)
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Arod was quoted many times saying Boston was a place he wanted to play before he went to the yankees. Boston fans are fiercly loyal. I think he would be treated better.Fenway is a awesome place to be.
Maybe Arod craves a tight knit clubhouse like the sox have. The sox are always laughing and joking. I think Arod might have a man crush on papi :o ;)
He said originally he wanted to go to boston because he felt that it would be good for baseball with the whole Yankees vs. Red Sox thing. That was before the sox actually won and had never beaten the Yankees when it counted.
I would say the Yankees are always laughing and joking too - look at their dugout during games. Anyway, there is nothing boston can offer that the Yankees can't.
As far as boston fans being fiercely loyal, that's another discussion. I'm going to call Nomar for quotes if we get into this. ;D
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He said originally he wanted to go to boston because he felt that it would be good for baseball with the whole Yankees vs. Red Sox thing. That was before the sox actually won and had never beaten the Yankees when it counted.
I would say the Yankees are always laughing and joking too - look at their dugout during games. Anyway, there is nothing boston can offer that the Yankees can't.
As far as boston fans being fiercely loyal, that's another discussion. I'm going to call Nomar for quotes if we get into this. ;D
It does not always come down to money and luxury. The sox aint lacking when it comes to those two things by any means. Maybe AROD likes the city of Boston, and would prefer not to deal with certain clubhouse drama he has had to put up with. Who knows really.
While Boston fans can be vicious, they are more loyal then yankees fans IMO. The sox fans have suffered much more then yankees fans have over the years. They still love there team. When NY started tanking this season half the fanbase jumped ship.
Arod is from Miami right? We have three UM players on the pats. Wilfork, Meriweather and Brown. There you have it. Thats the connection ;)
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I heard on ESPN that Arod wants to play until he's 45, according to his agent, if that's true he'd shatter every possible offensive record in baseball, that would be a humomgous contract. I assume that Arod is maybe looking to establish a legacy with one team, I still think it's the Angels if he leaves NY, the Sox series showed how weak an offense they have, especially with a hobbled Vlad, and they have an owner willing to spend the $$$
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Speculation has him opting out
New York Yankees' Alex Rodriguez watches as his seventh-inning ...
NEW YORK - Alex Rodriguez is ready to cash in. Again. Agent Scott Boras hinted Tuesday that A-Rod will opt out of the final three seasons of his contract with the New York Yankees and seek a new deal in the free-agent market that will lock him up through his pursuit of Barry Bonds' home-run record.
Boras negotiated Rodriguez's record $252 million, 10-year agreement with the Texas Rangers before the 2001 season, a contract the Yankees took over when they acquired A-Rod before the 2004 season. His next deal could last for more than a decade.
"Alex wants to be in one uniform for a long, long time, if not to the end of his career," Boras said of the 32-year-old, headed to his third AL MVP Award. "I think Alex could play very reasonably until he's 45. So you're talking about a situation where we want this guy to be identified with one franchise and one uniform for a very, very long time."
Rodriguez enters next year 17th on the career home-run list with 518 and is 242 behind Bonds, who also hopes to play next season. The expected chase will be factored into the negotiation.
"That team is going to be associated with having a player in its organization that has this history, this value," Boras said, "and they're going to be able to market that and go through the varying chases and levels of passing players in his home run pursuits."
In describing how Rodriguez would benefit from free agency, Boras cited the increase in baseball revenue from $3 billion in 2000 to nearly $6 billion this year.
"The marketplace for negotiating contracts has changed so dramatically from when we negotiated in 2000 to where we negotiate in 2007," Boras said.
New York likely will approach Boras with an extension offer in the next few weeks _ Rodriguez must make his decision whether to opt out by the 10th day after the World Series ends.
Rodriguez must weigh that offer against what he could get as a free agent, keeping in mind that the market for a player in the $30 million-a-year-range is limited.
"He could opt out tomorrow if he wanted to, but I haven't discussed that with him," Boras said. "All those decisions will be made when we sit down and talk."
The Chicago Cubs and Los Angeles Angels are viewed as possible destinations, although their payrolls are dwarfed by that of the Yankees.
Rodriguez is guaranteed $24 million annually by New York in each of the next three seasons. But part of that would be offset by $21,304,500 the Rangers still owe New York as part of the trade. In addition, Rodriguez is due $3 million each year by the Rangers, money that is deferred a 2 percent annual interest rate and scheduled to be paid from 2016-25.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said that if Rodriguez opts out _ and the Yankees lose that $21 million subsidy _ the team would cut off negotiations.
"That would be my position, yes, that would be my very strong recommendation," he said. "There is a date and if you can make a deal before that date, fine. After that date, it becomes a much different economic animal. It makes less sense."
When Rodriguez arrived at spring training, he was coy when asked about his contract.
"I understand I have an option, but I also understand that I want to be a New York Yankee," he said, going on to add: "My goal is to go in with Derek and Mo and open the new stadium."
Closer Mariano Rivera and catcher Jorge Posada can become free agents after the World Series. Pitcher Andy Pettitte has a $16 million player option.
Rodriguez had a regular season that likely will earn him a third AL MVP award, leading the major leagues with 54 homers and 156 RBIs. But he went 4-for-15 (.267) with one RBI against Cleveland and is in an 8-for-59 (.136) postseason funk dating to 2004. He is hitless in his past 18 playoff at-bats with runners in scoring position.
New York would have to replace A-Rod's regular-season offense if he leaves.
"A lot of it depends on whether he comes back here," said first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz, A-Rod's former high school teammate and offseason workout partner. "That's like a domino effect. It's a big piece of the puzzle
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Speculation has him opting out
It doesn't make any sense for him to do anything but opt out. The Yankees don't want him to opt out because of the $21 Million in subsidy the Rangers are paying them for his contract.
If he doesn't opt out he's got no leverage, it makes zero sense from a business perspective for him not to opt out and anyone that knows anything about Boras knows everything he does is designed to maximize every dollar.
I'd be shocked if he doesn't.
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It doesn't make any sense for him to do anything but opt out. The Yankees don't want him to opt out because of the $21 Million in subsidy the Rangers are paying them for his contract.
If he doesn't opt out he's got no leverage, it makes zero sense from a business perspective for him not to opt out and anyone that knows anything about Boras knows everything he does is designed to maximize every dollar.
I'd be shocked if he doesn't.
Man oh man Arod then Papi? One can only hope. Imagine if they could retain Lowell somehow ( I know I know) Axe Lugo, Trade Manny, start Ellsbury in left, then trade Manny?
Think about the infusion of young talent we have coming up of the farm rady to start next year. Clay B, Ellsbury and Lester are all blue chippers. Add that with Dustin @ second and we have a nice core of young players to mix with the vets.
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Lester is hardly a blue chipper.
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If AROD wants to win a pennant, i think that NY is his best chance ...He finally gettin comfortable and had alot of talent ... Yes he deserves the sun, moon and stars but how much is enough ? I m a fan of his but if he goes to the highest bidder and leaves the Yanks then he is just a money grubin selfish SOB. With no chance of ever winning the big one.
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Lester is hardly a blue chipper.
You said Becket was from an ace at the start of this year also. Josh was the only 20 game winner in the majors this year. An era almost two full points lower then last year. 20 - 7 with a 3.17 era. He also just shutout the angels over nine innings in on the big stage. A front runner for the Cy Young for sure.
Lester just came back from cancer. less then a year after discovering he had cancer , then receiving aggressive treatment he was back. I would not call him aty his best this year oconsdiering the aggressive cemo he had to endure. He has all the tools imo.
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You said Becket was from an ace at the start of this year also. Josh was the only 20 game winner in the majors this year. An era almost two full points lower then last year. 20 - 7 with a 3.17 era. He also just shutout the angels over nine innings in on the big stage. A front runner for the Cy Young for sure.
Lester just came back from cancer. less then a year after discovering he had cancer , then receiving aggressive treatment he was back. I would not call him aty his best this year oconsdiering the aggressive cemo he had to endure. He has all the tools imo.
There's a difference. Beckett was always regarded as a stud prospect - even more highly rated than guys like Hughes. Beckett's stuff was never in question, it was his ability to harness it and sustain it over a full year, while avoiding injuries. Until this year, he hadn't done that and was only called an "ace" due to his performance in the 2003 WS. He had not pitched at "ace" levels after that, until this year. So, it was not a stretch to call a guy hardly an ace when he hadn't pitched like one for over three years.
Even pre-illnes, Lester was never as highly touted as Beckett as his walk rates in the minors and majors do not scream blue chip prospect. He's been built up to be more than he is by homer fans and homer media outlets.
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There's a difference. Beckett was always regarded as a stud prospect - even more highly rated than guys like Hughes. Beckett's stuff was never in question, it was his ability to harness it and sustain it over a full year, while avoiding injuries. Until this year, he hadn't done that and was only called an "ace" due to his performance in the 2003 WS. He had not pitched at "ace" levels after that, until this year. So, it was not a stretch to call a guy hardly an ace when he hadn't pitched like one for over three years.
Even pre-illnes, Lester was never as highly touted as Beckett as his walk rates in the minors and majors do not scream blue chip prospect. He's been built up to be more than he is by homer fans and homer media outlets.
I have followed him since the minor's. I must respectfully disagree with you on Lester. Imo he has all the tools. As for homers (not you) building things up.... The new york fanbase couldn't be beat at the end of the year when the yankees where hot. Most had them overtaking the sox and winning the ws (not you).
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u know the jeter ,arod dosen't mean much to me,but alex really seemed to enjoy himself after a homerun or after the younger guys hit theres,cano,cabrera,duncan,they all laugh and high five and talk in dugout.he seemed comfortable with them..
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Man oh man Arod then Papi? One can only hope. Imagine if they could retain Lowell somehow ( I know I know) Axe Lugo, Trade Manny, start Ellsbury in left, then trade Manny?
Think about the infusion of young talent we have coming up of the farm rady to start next year. Clay B, Ellsbury and Lester are all blue chippers. Add that with Dustin @ second and we have a nice core of young players to mix with the vets.
If we trade Manny twice imagine what we could get for him!!! :D :D ;D
Still, I'll be sad when he's gone... :'(