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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Hedgehog on October 19, 2007, 04:20:37 PM
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Ok.
Lets try to settle this.
And lets leave the Holy Spirit out, that just makes it even more hard to grasp.
God gave us his son because he loved us. God is the Holy Father and shit, all that good stuff.
I'm down with that.
And Jesus dies on the cross, returns to heaven.
But how the hell does they become the same guy?
Where exactly does this take part?
I mean: God - up there. Or, in heaven, wherever that is.
Jesus - came to us, spoke about how he was the SON OF GOD.
Never, ever, said he was GOD.
So what's up with this whole God and Jesus being the same-thing?
Explanation puhlezze.
I don't get it.
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wait someone will come up with an answer, saying anything to prove they are right..........
listen, i've had the same question about my god.... the flying spaghetti monster...... nothing :-\
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This is a good explanation:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=174851.25 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=174851.25)
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This is a good explanation:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=174851.25 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=174851.25)
Christianity, it's the new polytheism!
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Christianity, it's the new polytheism!
or Catholicism ;D
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well, my belief is that god in heaven sent himself to be born of a virgin on christmas day because at the time before jesus christ, man did not believe that god was "god". they had made all kinds of false gods like golden calfs and stuff. so god had to prove himself for mankind by becoming like us in human nature, but divine in rising from the dead on easter sunday so that man would believe in him. the jewish people thought of jesus as the "messiah", the one who was going to save them from the romans. he was god in a sense that people wanted proof of whom god in heaven actually is. if you want an explanaton of all this, go talk to a priest!
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Ok.
Lets try to settle this.
And lets leave the Holy Spirit out, that just makes it even more hard to grasp.
God gave us his son because he loved us. God is the Holy Father, all that good stuff.
I'm down with that.
And Jesus dies on the cross, returns to heaven.
But how the hell does they become the same guy?
Hi Zach,
You may find some value in what C.S. Lewis has to say re: this in his book "Mere Christianity":
"...............Christ is the Son of God 'begotten, not created'; and it adds `begotten by his Father before all worlds'. Will you please get it quite clear that this has nothing to do with the fact that when Christ was born on earth as a man, that man was the son of a virgin? We are not now thinking about the Virgin Birth. We are thinking about something that happened before Nature was created at all, before time began. `Before all worlds' Christ is begotten, not created. What does it mean?
We don't use the words begetting or begotten much in modern English, but everyone still knows what they mean. To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make. And the difference is this. When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself. A man begets human babies, a beaver begets little beavers and a bird begets eggs which turn into little birds. But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself. A bird makes a nest, a beaver builds a dam, a man makes a wireless set-or he may make something more like himself than a wireless set : say, a statue...........
Now that is the first thing to get clear. What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man........."
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Jesus - came to us, spoke about how he was the SON OF GOD.
Never, ever, said he was GOD.
He did.
And so when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments, and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for I am. If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet." (John 13:12-14)
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Ok.
But how the hell does they become the same guy?
Where exactly does this take part?
I mean: God - up there. Or, in heaven, wherever that is.
Jesus - came to us, spoke about how he was the SON OF GOD.
Never, ever, said he was GOD.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
Matthew 27:43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, `I am the Son of God.'"
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name the name you gave me so that they may be one as we are one.
John 10:31-33
31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
Luke 22:66-70
66 At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them.
67 "If you are the Christ, " they said, "tell us." Jesus answered, "If I tell you, you will not believe me,
68 and if I asked you, you would not answer.
69 But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."
70 They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying I am."
There are more!
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why would God baptise himself?
why did jesus when pressed about the exact time of the end,said only the Father knew that.
why did jesus when fully crucified cry out to his father asking why he was forsaken?
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why would God baptise himself?
why did jesus when pressed about the exact time of the end,said only the Father knew that.
why did jesus when fully crucified cry out to his father asking why he was forsaken?
Q. why would God baptise himself?
A. Jesus, the Son of God, is the One who merited for us the gift and work of the Holy Spirit, whose initial operation in sinners is regeneration. Again, repentance and forgiveness of sins are proclaimed in Jesus' Name (Luke 24), according to his own commission. Jesus gained for us the gift of repentance; he himself needed no repentance.
Now Jesus, being the federal head of his own (Christians), had to identify himself with his people, and this included his baptism and death, his anointing with the Spirit, and his victory over temptation. He insisted that John must baptise him; in his role as Messiah, "born under the law" (Galatians 4:4), Jesus had to submit to all God's requirements for Israel. He had to be one with all those whose sins he had come to bear and take away. His baptism therefore is appropriate: it proclaimed that he had come to take the sinner's place under God's judgement. It is in this sense that he was baptised "to fulfil all righteousness" (Matthew 3:15; cf. Isaiah 53:11).
Jesus not only taught us the perfect righteousness that God requires; he also secures God's righteousness for sinners - He himself is their righteousness (1 Corinthians 1:30). All this is pointed at during his baptism: it signified that his death was "a ransom for many" (Matthew 20:28), and shows the perfect obedience in which he fulfils all righteousness (Jeremiah 23:5,6).
Q. why did jesus when pressed about the exact time of the end,said only the Father knew that.
A. As a man, Jesus cooperated with the limitations of being a man. That is why we have verses like Luke 2:52 that says "Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men." Therefore, at this point in his ministry he could say He did not know the day nor hour of His return. It is not a denial of His being God, but a confirmation of Him being man.
Before Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection He said the Father alone knew the day and hour of His return. It wasn't until after Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection that omniscience is attributed to Jesus.
After Jesus' resurrection, He was able to appear and disappear at will. This is not the normal ability of a man. But, it is, apparently, the normal ability of a resurrected and glorified man. Jesus was different after the resurrection. There had been a change. He was still a man and He knew all things.
Q. why did jesus when fully crucified cry out to his father asking why he was forsaken?
A. This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1, one of many parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion. It has been difficult to understand in what sense Jesus was “forsaken” by God. It is certain that God approved His work. It is certain that He was innocent. He had done nothing to forfeit the favor of God. As His own Son - holy, harmless, undefiled, and obedient - God still loved Him. In none of these senses could God have forsaken Him.
However, Isaiah tells us that “he bore our griefs and carried our sorrows; that he was wounded for our transgressions, and bruised for our iniquities; that the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him; that by his stripes we are healed” (Isaiah 53:4-5). He redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He was made a sin-offering, and He died in our place, on our account, that He might bring us near to God. It was this, doubtless, which caused His intense sufferings. It was the manifestation of God’s hatred of sin, in some way which He has not explained, that Jesus experienced in that terrible hour. It was suffering endured by Him that was due to us, and suffering by which, and by which alone, we can be saved from eternal death.
In those awful moments, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that had to “turn away” from Jesus. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was experiencing separation from God for the only time in all of eternity. It was at this time that 2 Corinthians 5:21 occurred, “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” Jesus became sin for us, so He felt the loneliness and abandonment that sin always produces, except that in His case, it was not His sin – it was ours.
Hope this helps,
HM
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Just like bodybuilding, when you have to look at Christianity as a business, it all makes sense.
The 'God' of the Old Testament was a pretty rough character. Over time, people realized they didn't want to obey the rules of a tyrant.
So, in order to keep the money coming in, they did a 180 and created 'Jesus' and the New Testament. They couldn't risk losing all credibility, so Jesus had to be inextricably linked to God, and vice-versa.
Pure genius, if you ask me.
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Just like bodybuilding, when you have to look at Christianity as a business, it all makes sense.
The 'God' of the Old Testament was a pretty rough character. Over time, people realized they didn't want to obey the rules of a tyrant.
So, in order to keep the money coming in, they did a 180 and created 'Jesus' and the New Testament. They couldn't risk losing all credibility, so Jesus had to be inextricably linked to God, and vice-versa.
Pure genius, if you ask me.
It goes even farther than that.
In order to make it easy to be a Christian all you had to do was accept Jesus as your savior. as long you did that you are saved no matter what you do.
Then they made it so, no matter how good you were you still weren't perfect before God, in doing that they made even the most noble and good person needing Jesus to be saved. In other words with out Jesus/Christianity you will go to hell.
It is very brilliant in terms of creating a religion which covers all bases.
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Just like bodybuilding, when you have to look at Christianity as a business, it all makes sense. In the wrong hands and following corrupt leadership; Yes it is a corrupt business!
The 'God' of the Old Testament was a pretty rough character. Over time, people realized they didn't want to obey the rules of a tyrant.
So, in order to keep the money coming in, they did a 180 and created 'Jesus' and the New Testament. They couldn't risk losing all credibility, so Jesus had to be inextricably linked to God, and vice-versa.
Pure genius, if you ask me.
How absurd!
It goes even farther than that.
In order to make it easy to be a Christian all you had to do was accept Jesus as your savior. as long you did that you are saved no matter what you do. Whoever taught you that doctrine is a false teacher! No one can come to Jesus unless the Father enables them! I have never seen that word used when one comes to Christ! Where do you see that in the bible? And believing in Jesus is not merely intellectual assent, if you are his (A believer in his birth, ministry, death, burial, resurrection and return) you will bear fruit! You cannot curse God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and be a believer; as you do so often!
Then they made it so, no matter how good you were you still weren't perfect before God, in doing that they made even the most noble and good person needing Jesus to be saved. In other words with out Jesus/Christianity you will go to hell. True statement!
It is very brilliant in terms of creating a religion which covers all bases.
Like it's been said many times, if Christians are wrong then both of you have nothing to fear BUT if Christians are right then you have HELL to pay!
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How absurd!
Like it's been said many times, if Christians are wrong then both of you have nothing to fear BUT if Christians are right then you have HELL to pay!
When have i cursed God HM?
I've only questioned Christianiy's false assumption of their exclusive knowledge of the truth. If you consider that cursing then you are an extremists like the ones we are fighting in the middle east.
Further more based on what you wrote there. You are wrong. If you truly accept Jesus as your savior all your sins are forgiven.........true or not?
Christians aren't perfect they are forgiven.....right?
And believing in Jesus is not merely intellectual assent, if you are his (A believer in his birth, ministry, death, burial, resurrection and return) you will bear fruit!
Like Haggard?
Then they made it so, no matter how good you were you still weren't perfect before God, in doing that they made even the most noble and good person needing Jesus to be saved. In other words with out Jesus/Christianity you will go to hell. True statement!
No, it's a belief, that's unprovable, and it's a brilliant form of manipulation, a manipulation that is provable.
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Stop shifting the goalposts.
You have cursed God.
You are able to time travel 3000 odd years and overrule Gods judgement.
You are able with certainty to edit the bible.
You betray us.
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Stop shifting the goalposts.
You have cursed God.
You are able to time travel 3000 odd years and overrule Gods judgement.
You are able with certainty to edit the bible.
You betray us.
lol
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When have i cursed God HM?
I've only questioned Christianiy's false assumption of their exclusive knowledge of the truth. If you consider that cursing then you are an extremists like the ones we are fighting in the middle east.
Further more based on what you wrote there. You are wrong. If you truly accept Jesus as your savior all your sins are forgiven.........true or not?
Christians aren't perfect they are forgiven.....right?
Like Haggard?
No, it's a belief, that's unprovable, and it's a brilliant form of manipulation, a manipulation that is provable.
I don't have time to search for all of your post where you cursed God but here are some verses for you if you have problems with Christianity and it's cornerstone.
1 John 2:21-23
21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.
22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.
23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
As far as you questioning God, I don't have a problem with that but if you want to know about the Creator go to the source (read the bible)!
Big difference in accepting and receiving Christ as savoir! Have it your way though!
True Christians are not perfect they are forgiven!
I don't know "haggard"!
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I don't have time to search for all of your post where you cursed God but here are some verses for you if you have problems with Christianity and it's cornerstone.
If you accused me of cursing GOD the least you can do is provide an example.....Or is that how it is with you?.........you lump any one who disagrees into the "cursing God" category?
So until you show me something I'll take it as a irresponsible reckless accusation with no basis in fact and nothing but reactive desperation to maintain the separation of the people who believe exactly as you do and everyone else who is destined to burn in hell.
Or maybe you are confusing how I question the child murdering SOB identified in the Bible as GOD who ordered the death of an entire nation of children and believe that if God loves us unconditionally he wouldn't order a person to take a 8 foot copper tipped spear and ram in to the gut of a 8 year old child as he did in the OT when the Hebrews were at war with the Amalekites.
Further more based on what you wrote there. You are wrong. If you truly accept Jesus as your savior all your sins are forgiven.........true or not?
Can you answer this question or not?
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If you accused me of cursing GOD the least you can do is provide an example.....Or is that how it is with you?.........you lump any one who disagrees into the "cursing God" category?
So until you show me something I'll take it as a irresponsible reckless accusation with no basis in fact and nothing but reactive desperation to maintain the separation of the people who believe exactly as you do and everyone else who is destined to burn in hell.
Or maybe you are confusing how I question the child murdering SOB identified in the Bible as GOD who ordered the death of an entire nation of children and believe that if God loves us unconditionally he wouldn't order a person to take a 8 foot copper tipped spear and ram in to the gut of a 8 year old child as he did in the OT when the Hebrews were at war with the Amalekites.
Can you answer this question or not?
OzmO,
What the heck is "an entire nation of children"? Children of the corn? A nation ruled by children?
Make no mistake. The Amalekites were no nation of children. They were a nation of murderers.
We don't know how many children they had if they had any at all. Israel was ordered to destroy the entire nation, so that includes children if any were found. But to say that they were a nation of children is to assume, exaggerate, appeal to emotion and over dramatize the event to make your point. You are trying to make people feel sympathy for a nation of murdering raiders. You don't even know how many children they had or the manner in which Israel disposed of them if any were found.
If you want to say that God was wrong in completely destroying a murderous people, then so be it. But stop making stuff up.
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If you accused me of cursing GOD the least you can do is provide an example.....Or is that how it is with you?.........you lump any one who disagrees into the "cursing God" category?
So until you show me something I'll take it as a irresponsible reckless accusation with no basis in fact and nothing but reactive desperation to maintain the separation of the people who believe exactly as you do and everyone else who is destined to burn in hell.
Or maybe you are confusing how I question the child murdering SOB identified in the Bible as GOD who ordered the death of an entire nation of children and believe that if God loves us unconditionally he wouldn't order a person to take a 8 foot copper tipped spear and ram in to the gut of a 8 year old child as he did in the OT when the Hebrews were at war with the Amalekites.
Can you answer this question or not?
I will perform a search but you just called God an SOB right? I think that precludes the need for the search!
If you truly accept Jesus as your savior all your sins are forgiven.........true or not?
I did answer your question I typed "True!"
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I will perform a search but you just called God an SOB right? I think that precludes the need for the search!
I did answer your question I typed "True!"
No i didn't. because i do not believe much of the "god" identified in the OT is God. So therefore i did not curse God. I would never do that.
This seems so hard for Literalists to understand.
This is what you wrote:
In order to make it easy to be a Christian all you had to do was accept Jesus as your savior. as long you did that you are saved no matter what you do. Whoever taught you that doctrine is a false teacher! No one can come to Jesus unless the Father enables them! I have never seen that word used when one comes to Christ! Where do you see that in the bible? And believing in Jesus is not merely intellectual assent, if you are his (A believer in his birth, ministry, death, burial, resurrection and return) you will bear fruit! You cannot curse God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and be a believer; as you do so often!
So what i said was true?
If you truly accept Jesus as your savior all your sins are forgiven.........true or not?
Which is the same as:
In order to make it easy to be a Christian all you had to do was accept Jesus as your savior. as long you did that you are saved no matter what you do.
But didn't you just say that wasn't true?
Whoever taught you that doctrine is a false teacher!
are you a false teacher?
;D
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OzmO,
What the heck is "an entire nation of children"? Children of the corn? A nation ruled by children?
Make no mistake. The Amalekites were no nation of children. They were a nation of murderers.
We don't know how many children they had if they had any at all. Israel was ordered to destroy the entire nation, so that includes children if any were found. But to say that they were a nation of children is to assume, exaggerate, appeal to emotion and over dramatize the event to make your point. You are trying to make people feel sympathy for a nation of murdering raiders. You don't even know how many children they had or the manner in which Israel disposed of them if any were found.
If you want to say that God was wrong in completely destroying a murderous people, then so be it. But stop making stuff up.
The Amalekites had no children? right. ;D
Fact is if you destroy an entire nation as describe in the Bible you are destroying the children too. I'm not saying God shouldn't have destroyed murderers. So don't try an put words in my mouth. Read the words for what they are not for how you can attempt to twist them around.
You are trying to make people feel sympathy for a nation of murdering raiders.
Com on loco. please, let's try not to be so silly.
You don't even know how many children they had or the manner in which Israel disposed of them if any were found.
Yeah, they loved them to death.
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No i didn't. because i do not believe much of the "god" identified in the OT is God. So therefore i did not curse God. I would never do that.
This seems so hard for Literalists to understand.
This is what you wrote:
So what i said was true?
If you truly accept Jesus as your savior all your sins are forgiven.........true or not?
Which is the same as:
In order to make it easy to be a Christian all you had to do was accept Jesus as your savior. as long you did that you are saved no matter what you do.
But didn't you just say that wasn't true?
are you a false teacher?
;D
Okay let me set this straight once and for all because we could go round and round trying to clarify what we said! This is my belief based on what my Savoir said as documented in what we know as God's word the bible (KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, NLT, ESV, RSV, Thompson's Chain Ref, Ryrie, The Amplified bible, Castilian, La Bible du Semeur, La Nuova Diodati, Het Boek and so on!
No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him/her! You can use whatever verb you want but NO ONE has the power to believe on Jesus on their own volition! One can't even believe that Jesus is the Christ without the enabling of the Holy Spirit! I know this is a hard saying but Christ taught this himself; read John 6:28-70 & Matthew 16: 13-17!
You can accept/receive it or reject it!
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Okay let me set this straight once and for all because we could go round and round trying to clarify what we said! This is my belief based on what my Savoir said as documented in what we know as God's word the bible (KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, NLT, ESV, RSV, Thompson's Chain Ref, Ryrie, The Amplified bible, Castilian, La Bible du Semeur, La Nuova Diodati, Het Boek and so on!
No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him/her! You can use whatever verb you want but NO ONE has the power to believe on Jesus on their own volition! One can't even believe that Jesus is the Christ without the enabling of the Holy Spirit! I know this is a hard saying but Christ taught this himself; read John 6:28-70 & Matthew 16: 13-17!
You can accept/receive it or reject it!
ok, so let me get this straight......... no one can believe in Jesus on their own, the father (Jesus, HS) has to draw them?
So True Christians are chosen?
If yes, then why even try and give testimony?
why try and spread the good news if God will draw who he chooses anyway?
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ok, so let me get this straight......... no one can believe in Jesus on their own, the father (Jesus, HS) has to draw them?
So True Christians are chosen?
If yes, then why even try and give testimony?
why try and spread the good news if God will draw who he chooses anyway?
Because,
Romans 10:13-18
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
We are to spread the Gospel into all the earth!
Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
We share our faith in obedience to the call of salvation and the marching orders given by Jesus!
This should help!
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The Amalekites had no children? right. ;D
Fact is if you destroy an entire nation as describe in the Bible you are destroying the children too. I'm not saying God shouldn't have destroyed murderers. So don't try an put words in my mouth. Read the words for what they are not for how you can attempt to twist them around.
Com on loco. please, let's try not to be so silly.
Yeah, they loved them to death.
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Did I say they had no children? You said they were "an entire nation of children" who got speared in the belly by Israel.
OzmO,
I love you man, but sometimes you can be a drama queen.
Are you 100% certain, and would you bet your body and soul on it that this God who ordered Israel to destroy these murderers is not the One True God, your Creator?
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Did I say they had no children? You said they were "an entire nation of children" who got speared in the belly by Israel.
OzmO,
I love you man, but sometimes you can be a drama queen.
Here's what you said:
We don't know how many children they had if they had any at all.
You are the one who suggested an entire nation of people didn't have children NOT me.
But you are correct in one thing: Entire nation of children can be interpreted as a nation of people with out adults.
The more accurate way of saying it would be a Nation of people and their children.
I'm sure you knew exactly what i meant..... ::) ;D
Are you 100% certain, and would you bet your body and soul on it that this God who ordered Israel to destroy these murderers is not the One True God, your Creator?
No, I am certain that the SOB who said GOD told him to slaughter children is lying.
Therefore in my mind the Bible is not the 100% word of God and cast doubt on the many other vicious, jealous and violent acts int he OT.
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Because,
Romans 10:13-18
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
We are to spread the Gospel into all the earth!
Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
We share our faith in obedience to the call of salvation and the marching orders given by Jesus!
This should help!
HM thanks for spending time explaining this to me, but it still doesn't make sense.
first you point out:
No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him/her! You can use whatever verb you want but NO ONE has the power to believe on Jesus on their own volition!
But then you point out:
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
which is it? or is it both?
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The Amalekites were enemies with Israel wars do/did happen guy! The Amalekites distroyed many Israelites as well!
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HM thanks for spending time explaining this to me, but it still doesn't make sense.
first you point out:
But then you point out:
which is it? or is it both?
Both!
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
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You have to read the scriptures in their entirety bro we can't pull out what suits or individual beliefs!
Point is we are commanded to witness and the Holy Spirit does the rest!
Cut and dry this is our duty to God, yes we fall short but we have to spread the word daily and to as many that will receive the word! Yes we will encounter rejection and disbelief more often than not but it is for God's glory that we preach the Gospel in hopes that God will take the grab a hold of some.
I do not come into this pulpit hoping that perhaps somebody will of his own free will return to Christ. My hope lies in another quarter. I hope that my Master will lay hold of some of them and say, "You are mine, and you shall be mine. I claim you for myself." My hope arises from the freeness of grace, and not from the freedom of the will.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon
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The Amalekites were enemies with Israel wars do/did happen guy! The Amalekites distroyed many Israelites as well!
What the Amalekites adults did is not the issue here, Why is it so hard for you or loco to comprehend this in my responses? why do you always go back to what the adults were doing?
We all know that, it's not about that, it's about slaughtering children as something "god" would do.
For God assuming his Jesus persona existed then , to order the slaughter of children is not consistent with Jesus's teachings.
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You have to read the scriptures in their entirety bro we can't pull out what suits or individual beliefs!
that's interesting. I've never seen a person follow the bible 100%. It's always been tainted with individual or anothers, be it organized religion's or some alleged holy man's, personal interpretation.
Otherwise there would be no debate on the "word" and there would be just one denomination in Christianity.
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What the Amalekites adults did is not the issue here, Why is it so hard for you or loco to comprehend this in my responses? why do you always go back to what the adults were doing?
We all know that, it's not about that, it's about slaughtering children as something "god" would do.
For God assuming his Jesus persona existed then , to order the slaughter of children is not consistent with Jesus's teachings.
They would of kept coming back until Israel was dead.The male children were a lot tougher than i think you can picture.It had gotten that bad.
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They would of kept coming back until Israel was dead.The male children were a lot tougher than i think you can picture.It had gotten that bad.
yeah 3 year old boys and girls are very set in their ways and are very dangerous. Good thing someone invented sesame street.
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What the Amalekites adults did is not the issue here, Why is it so hard for you or loco to comprehend this in my responses? why do you always go back to what the adults were doing?
We all know that, it's not about that, it's about slaughtering children as something "god" would do.
For God assuming his Jesus persona existed then , to order the slaughter of children is not consistent with Jesus's teachings.
That is a good question/debate;
God's wrath/judgments on the unrighteous in the old testament as compared to Jesus' teachings on forgiveness, love, turning the other cheek and judging others. I will attempt to answer this to the best of my ability as soon as I can.
Keep in mind the plan of God is progressive so we need to look at the progression of the plan from the fall to the redemption. be back shortly
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or Catholicism ;D
hahahaha ;D