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These days I'm not usually shocked when politics pops up in strange places, but I have to admit being a bit shocked at the politics woven into this AP story on ghostly encounters. The poll questions people's belief in the supernatural and gives statistics on beliefs of conservatives vs. liberals, Dems vs Republicans...
Poll: One-third believe in ghosts, UFOs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071025/ap_on_re_us/ghosts_ap_poll
So ok, whatever, part of me instantly said how freaking stupid, but I'll bite, something new for the forum... State if you've seen a ghost, ufo or have had some kind of supernatural experience and what you consider yourself to be, dem, republican, conservative or liberal... or other. And tell your story to make the thread interesting... I'll go first.
I have seen a ghost, twice. The first time when I was very young. I was lying in bed unable to sleep. The moonlight was casting moving shadows of a tree on the wall. I was looking at the patterns like we use to look at clouds to see things. Pretty soon I thought I envisioned a face, then I could see more, shoulders and a shirt and tie. He wore a suit. I followed the image downward and was shocked at the materializing of a full figure in the patterns. He held a brief case in his right hand. But then as I continued down I saw that the rest of him was lower than the light cast against the wall and continued down to the floor, right next to my bed. The apparition was not against the wall, it was standing right by my bed looking down at me. I freaked and ran for the door, went and screamed like a fool to my parents… who promptly insisted that I go back into my room and go to sleep… nobody believed me. About 30 years later, I was joking with my mother about not believing me and making me go back into the room. She suggested minds make up things when we’re young. I said that he was so clear, I could not have made it up. She asked what he looked like. I then stated that I looked at him long enough and the ghastly image was so fearfully imbedded that I could draw what he looked like. So I sat down and sketched out the image and went home forgetting about the conversation. I then got a call from my mother. My father had come home and picked up the drawing without knowing why it was drawn and stated that it looked exactly like a man he knew named Melvin. My mother asked, “who‘s Melvin.” My father then stated that he was the brother of the person we had bought the house from were we use to live and that he was a hypochondriac who always carried with him a brief case filled with medications. I felt somewhat vindicated after a long long time of keeping that experience. The second time I saw a ghost was working in an old bank. I was headed to the vault which had only one entrance of course but another employee had reached the door before me, or so I thought it was another employee. I paused for a moment and followed them in, looked up, looked all around, nobody in the vault. I stopped for a person walking in and followed right behind them and nothing. I of course freaked out a bit and went to tell the experience to another employee who then told me of similar reports from many others and that the bank manager had shot himself there during the great depression.
So that’s it, I’m a Dem,… for now, could change before election time. and I lean left and I believe in ghosts :D
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Poll: One-third believe in ghosts, UFOs
I hate to be a troll but the total lack of logic here pisses me off.
Who doesn't believe in UFO's? A UFO doesn't have to be alien. It's simply a flying object that is unidentifiable.
Idiots.
P.S.
Do you believe in UFOs berserker?
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Poll: One-third believe in ghosts, UFOs
I hate to be a troll but the total lack of logic here pisses me off.
Who doesn't believe in UFO's? A UFO doesn't have to be alien. It's simply a flying object that is unidentifiable.
Idiots.
P.S.
Do you believe in UFOs berserker?
I think they're talking about ET type UFOs, not just something that flys by and nobody knows... I agree, my initial reading of the article pissed me off too. But then I though what the hell, of all the places to find politics inserted, this was at least a different angle to bring to the board. My guess would be that the people who believe in ghosts and such are probably politically even. Perhaps it just more likely that a liberal would admit seeing such things, who knows...
Do I believe in UFOs? Well I've never had the little encounter with little green men. I had a strange thing happen with another car? I was on a long stretch of road in New Mexico and decided to test out the new saleen I was in. It was at night, I was going... ah way to fast, pretty much had it maxed, young and stupid, I don't do that anymore, but anyway lights appeared in my rear view mirror and were coming up on me like I was parked. I thought oh fuck, busted. I started slowing down as safely as I could, pulled over and nothing. They either turned off or I don't really know what the hell, it wasn't a cop thank god. I wondered what the hell could have caught up to me like that but I'll never know.
I did see a very compelling case on Sci-fi that has me thinking they might exist: by Bryant Gumble:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/UFO%20Invasion%20-%20Rendlesham%20.wmv
Come on Nordic, no strange tales? Do you believe or no? In what and why?
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8524267568796529301&q=nasa+evidence&total=967&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
i've posted this many times..it is THE smoking gun video and will convince you without a shadow of a doubt...
100% of you wont watch it and throw inane arguments at me...and from your arguments i'll be able to tell that u never watched the video and in return give you sarcastic inane condensceding answers :-\ which u wont understand and ike nordicbitch throw hissyfits all over the place to which i'll get me a good chuckle! :)
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The only problem I have with that video is that you can see the stars through the objects. As they pass over stars in the background, you can clearly see the stars through the objects. But they do appear to definitely be going behind the tether and if that's true, there's no way the objects are out of focus.
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I think they're talking about ET type UFOs, not just something that flys by and nobody knows... I agree, my initial reading of the article pissed me off too. But then I though what the hell, of all the places to find politics inserted, this was at least a different angle to bring to the board. My guess would be that the people who believe in ghosts and such are probably politically even. Perhaps it just more likely that a liberal would admit seeing such things, who knows...
Do I believe in UFOs? Well I've never had the little encounter with little green men. I had a strange thing happen with another car? I was on a long stretch of road in New Mexico and decided to test out the new saleen I was in. It was at night, I was going... ah way to fast, pretty much had it maxed, young and stupid, I don't do that anymore, but anyway lights appeared in my rear view mirror and were coming up on me like I was parked. I thought oh fuck, busted. I started slowing down as safely as I could, pulled over and nothing. They either turned off or I don't really know what the hell, it wasn't a cop thank god. I wondered what the hell could have caught up to me like that but I'll never know.
I did see a very compelling case on Sci-fi that has me thinking they might exist: by Bryant Gumble:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/UFO%20Invasion%20-%20Rendlesham%20.wmv
Come on Nordic, no strange tales? Do you believe or no? In what and why?
I believe in the existance of aliens, I don't believe in ghosts.
I believe in the existance of aliens because of the ridiculous dimensions of the universe and the high probability some places exists with enviroments as friendly or friendlier to life than here on Earth.
I don't believe in ghosts because it's a ridiculous concept (to me) plus most evidence supporting the existance of ghosts comes from unclear photographs from when photography technology was in its infancy.
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I believe in the existance of aliens, I don't believe in ghosts.
I believe in the existance of aliens because of the ridiculous dimensions of the universe and the high probability some places exists with enviroments as friendly or friendlier to life than here on Earth.
I don't believe in ghosts because it's a ridiculous concept (to me) plus most evidence supporting the existance of ghosts comes from unclear photographs from when photography technology was in its infancy.
You should watch ghost hunters. Those guys have caught some pretty fucked up shit on camera. I hated the show at first thinking it would just be like the rest of them but my wife was hooked on it so I watched and there have been several WTF things caught on camera. Here's a clip from the lighthouse: http://zombieluver420.vodpod.com/video/288748-ghost-hunters-taps-haunted-lighthouse-ghost-footage In this clip they inspected all the way to the top to make sure nobody was up there but in this clip, you can clearly see a shadowy figure lean over from the top of the lighthouse. These guys also have no beefs with investigating places and telling them there's nothing there. There have been many times they went on investigations and found normal reasons for what was happening. The other episode I remember being quite chilling in what happened was at the Stanley Hotel, the one they filmed The Shinning at. Messed up stuff happening there caught on camera.
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Won't lie, I do love shows like that, I adore a good horror movie too.
It's just hard for me to trust such shows tho, especially when they're so commerical (as you said, your wife and many others like her love it [= advertising dollars]).
Why has no educational establishment found evidence?
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Why has no educational establishment found evidence?
I seriously doubt there are universities looking... Just the same as they don't like to take on topics that clash with the known timeline of events. they generally stay away from controversial subjects in general. Funding can be damaged by angered/skeptical donors. They sway away from topics that could date things being way older than they are, like the sphinx. It's a good way for a serious scientist to not be taken serious right away, which leaves this work to be done by plumbers working as hobby ghost hunters. Those guys really have caught some incredible things on film.
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Do not believe in ghosts. Do not believe in little green men. Political independent.
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Do not believe in ghosts. Do not believe in little green men. Political independent.
Does that mean you believe in Aliens, just not the little green men variety? :P
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I believe in yesterday.
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Do not believe in ghosts. Do not believe in little green men. Political independent. Pround Member of Team Neocon.
fixed :D
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Does that mean you believe in Aliens, just not the little green men variety? :P
:) Maybe. We may or may not be alone in the universe. I really don't know. But I don't buy the fuzzy pictures of alien spacecraft, crop circles, alien abductions, and secret visits by funny looking creatures stuff.
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fixed :D
Okay . . . Chicken Little. :)
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Okay . . . Chicken Little. :)
How so?
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How so?
Don't you believe one or more governments are planning some kind of mass attack (or something like that)?
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:) Maybe. We may or may not be alone in the universe. I really don't know. But I don't buy the fuzzy pictures of alien spacecraft, crop circles, alien abductions, and secret visits by funny looking creatures stuff.
I agree all those sightings are bull. What is strange about extraterrestrial UFO sightings is that a creature so advanced to cross thousands of lightyears of distance has zero interaction with humans.
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Don't you believe one or more governments are planning some kind of mass attack (or something like that)?
You're only a Chicken Little if you're wrong--I'm not... But perhaps the biggest reason the label won't fit is because I'm not out to save the world with what I know. I don't give a shit if time is short nor do I think we're worthy of saving. You on the other hand have backed nearly every hardline neocon ideology discussed here and even declaired there to be no difference neoconservative and conservative. I'm rather shocked you wouldn't be proud to put on a Team Neocon shirt and instead use some silly old fable, designed to keep the sheeple in line, as a comeback.
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ghosts are fucking gay who actually believes in ghosts??? ::)
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I agree all those sightings are bull. What is strange about extraterrestrial UFO sightings is that a creature so advanced to cross thousands of lightyears of distance has zero interaction with humans.
Yep.
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I agree all those sightings are bull. What is strange about extraterrestrial UFO sightings is that a creature so advanced to cross thousands of lightyears of distance has zero interaction with humans.
It could be argued that any group advanced enough to travel thousands of lightyears might be able to observe without interacting.
Also, if someone claimed to have met, been probed by, or otherwise interacted with aliens, we'd all call them crazy, right? Local newspaper wouldn't mention it. We'd never hear about it.
Personally, I believe something's out there... but I don't care much about it. Those NASA tapes are intriguing - things changing direction at 1000+ mph. But it could be manmade just as easy. Aliens don't matter to me. Until they start fcking with us.
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You're only a Chicken Little if you're wrong--I'm not... But perhaps the biggest reason the label won't fit is because I'm not out to save the world with what I know. I don't give a shit if time is short nor do I think we're worthy of saving. You on the other hand have backed nearly every hardline neocon ideology discussed here and even declaired there to be no difference neoconservative and conservative. I'm rather shocked you wouldn't be proud to put on a Team Neocon shirt and instead use some silly old fable, designed to keep the sheeple in line, as a comeback.
Actually, Ozmo defines "neoconservative" as "extreme conservative views." I frankly could care less what the word actually means or whether anyone wants to pin that label on me. I don't follow anyone's ideology. I say what I think. If what I think happens to follow "hardline necon ideology (whatever that is)," I say big friggin deal. Doesn't bother me.
And Chicken Little is no sillier than "Team Neocon." But if you believe governments of the world are secretly planning our demise, then Chicken Little is apropos. :)
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And Chicken Little is no sillier than "Team Neocon." But if you believe governments of the world are secretly planning our demise, then Chicken Little is apropos. :)
BB,
Govts are doing what they always do.
They are doing what's best for their upper class (who gave them $ support to get into power).
They are doing what's required to keep the middle/lower class stable.
They are doing what they can to garner resources from other nations.
They are fucking over anyone they can to keep their nation on top.
They are a wee bit 'on the take' when in office.
Repubs do it. Dems do it. Socialist, marxist, and communist states do it too.
They all do it.
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BB,
Govts are doing what they always do.
They are doing what's best for their upper class (who gave them $ support to get into power).
They are doing what's required to keep the middle/lower class stable.
They are doing what they can to garner resources from other nations.
They are fucking over anyone they can to keep their nation on top.
They are a wee bit 'on the take' when in office.
Repubs do it. Dems do it. Socialist, marxist, and communist states do it too.
They all do it.
What does this have to do with governments secretly planning our destruction?
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It could be argued that any group advanced enough to travel thousands of lightyears might be able to observe without interacting.
Also, if someone claimed to have met, been probed by, or otherwise interacted with aliens, we'd all call them crazy, right? Local newspaper wouldn't mention it. We'd never hear about it.
Personally, I believe something's out there... but I don't care much about it. Those NASA tapes are intriguing - things changing direction at 1000+ mph. But it could be manmade just as easy. Aliens don't matter to me. Until they start fcking with us.
Why would a group advanced enough to travel such distances be witnessed by human eyes?
We have satalites with technology which allows them to read pages on a book from space right on Earth.
Any civilisation which can travel the distances required to visit earth would have analyitical technology that you can't even comprehend.
Therefore I believe your stance to be false :-*
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What does this have to do with governments secretly planning our destruction?
I don't think they are.
There is always talk that the govt wants to do X and Y to kill 90% of us. I think that's incorrect.
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Actually, Ozmo defines "neoconservative" as "extreme conservative views." I frankly could care less what the word actually means or whether anyone wants to pin that label on me. I don't follow anyone's ideology. I say what I think. If what I think happens to follow "hardline necon ideology (whatever that is)," I say big friggin deal. Doesn't bother me.
And Chicken Little is no sillier than "Team Neocon." But if you believe governments of the world are secretly planning our demise, then Chicken Little is apropos. :)
Ozmo is right on a great deal of things, but this one he's not. No biggie, none of us are perfect, Ozmo calls it right most of the time. "Team Neocon" was pulling your leg, hense the cheesy smilely. I think of you as a supporter of neocons because you usually do but I wasn't attacking as we've already been down that road several times.
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Why would a group advanced enough to travel such distances be witnessed by human eyes?
We have satalites with technology which allows them to read pages on a book from space right on Earth.
Any civilisation which can travel the distances required to visit earth would have analyitical technology that you can't even comprehend.
Therefore I believe your stance to be false :-*
LOL...
They might have incredible abilities to travel distances, etc. But when it comes to floating in one place for a certain amount of time, I believe that radar likely gets them, if only because they don't feel the need to hide from radar (meaning they could hide if it meant their survival, but I don't believe we fck with them)
If there are aliens, our air defense knows it. The things following the shuttles, the things moving thru the shots on space missions, whatever they are (manmade tracking devices or alien craft), our govts know about them. Some of the Eur govts have admitted a great deal aobut aliens, haven't they? I remember soemthing about some govts no longer hiding what they know.
At the same time, most americans didn't conceptualize an atomic bomb until we gave hiroshima a bitchslap. So whatever other technologies we've been working on, well, it might be easy to blame it on aliens. We proabbly have some pretty gangster flying craft in the arsenal that even our local yokel military men can't conceptualize.
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For the record, I don't think "our government" has ever or will ever plot the destruction of mankind... If I gave that impression, it was not meant. I have never believed that... Are there bad apples elected, appointed or hired in the government, I'm sure... But the notion that "our government" meets to secretly plot the end of man is not likely.
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We proabbly have some pretty gangster flying craft in the arsenal that even our local yokel military men can't conceptualize.
Of course, that won't stop our getbig members in the military from chiming in with "we don't have any aircraft that do that!". They assume they know it all of course. Much like when we discussed the possibility of a non-explosive, concrete headed penetrator missile being used to hit the pentagon. Some of the military folks here said "there isn't such a missile".
This of course, was a completely asinine statement. MOnths later we heard all about how great our JDAMs and other nunker busters were from CNN and FOX (you know, concrete headed missiles that don't explode, they target using concrete heads to pinpoint targets.
Not to bring this topic to 911 of course. ;D
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Not to bring this topic to 911 of course. ;D
This thread is a mishmosh of things anyway. Several topics have been brought up, go for it. One more at this point won't matter :D
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I believe in aliens, but don't find videos and sightings credible.
believing in ghosts is stupid..
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I believe in aliens, but don't find videos and sightings credible.
Mexico released a video clip of 11 unidentified flying objects in its airspace. They admit they don't know what the objects, which were flying in an odd and unified manner, even are.
Do you think Mexico faked them? Do you not find those videos credible at all? (shot by their air force/defenses). I agree that some local yokels might fake tapes to get their jollies. But when a govt releases it?
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Mexico released a video clip of 11 unidentified flying objects in its airspace. They admit they don't know what the objects, which were flying in an odd and unified manner, even are.
Do you think Mexico faked them? Do you not find those videos credible at all? (shot by their air force/defenses). I agree that some local yokels might fake tapes to get their jollies. But when a govt releases it?
It's Mexico, man.
And there's that possibility of the US fucking around.. Testing weapons we aren't supposed to know about. I say that I believe, but not because of the videos. Anyways, I'm kinda curious, but not enough take it seriously and look at it in depth. I mean aliens aren't fucking with my life(as I know), so it's not a huge deal, but still makes me curious.
And as nodick said, you'd have to be crazy to deny their existence, as the universe is so vast. And also, looking at something and accepting that they are infact here is weird, in that it's almost scary. It'd make you feel, I dunno, I can't explain it.. Imagine, UFO's(as crafts from other planets) were deemed credible with sufficient proof. It would be scary to know that they're here on earth and better than us.. :-\
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Ozmo is right on a great deal of things, but this one he's not. No biggie, none of us are perfect, Ozmo calls it right most of the time. "Team Neocon" was pulling your leg, hense the cheesy smilely. I think of you as a supporter of neocons because you usually do but I wasn't attacking as we've already been down that road several times.
I didn't think you were attacking me, and I wasn't attacking you. It's just a discussion.
I guess if I cared enough about "neo-conservatism" I would ask what their agenda is. But I don't care. :)
I think people need to put others in a box for their own comfort level. I do it. We often have to put an ethnic, educational, income, and/or political label on people we encounter. I see it all the time and, as I said, I'm guilty of this too.
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I didn't think you were attacking me, and I wasn't attacking you. It's just a discussion.
I guess if I cared enough about "neo-conservatism" I would ask what their agenda is. But I don't care. :)
I think people need to put others in a box for their own comfort level. I do it. We often have to put an ethnic, educational, income, and/or political label on people we encounter. I see it all the time and, as I said, I'm guilty of this too.
anytime you use the word "little" on a bodybuilding board, it's an attack, add in "chicken" and well no shit it's an attack... :D neocons made their own box, they came up with the label, not others... There's no shortage of interviews with guys like William Kristol talking about their neoconservative movement... They dug their own hole, don't go blaming others beach bum. In the end, it really doesn't matter if you don't care what a neocon is. The only thing that matters here is that you are a person who typically defends the neocon line. What's the difference, none to me... LOL... it's like me trying to argue that I'm not a liberal because I don't know what their agenda is, I'm sure that wouldn't stop people from calling me one for backing up liberal ideas. der..duh. :P
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anytime you use the word "little" on a bodybuilding board, it's an attack, add in "chicken" and well no shit it's an attack... :D neocons made their own box, they came up with the label, not others... There's no shortage of interviews with guys like William Kristol talking about their neoconservative movement... They dug their own hole, don't go blaming others beach bum. In the end, it really doesn't matter if you don't care what a neocon is. The only thing that matters here is that you are a person who typically defends the neocon line. What's the difference, none to me... LOL... it's like me trying to argue that I'm not a liberal because I don't know what their agenda is, I'm sure that wouldn't stop people from calling me one for backing up liberal ideas. der..duh. :P
Well, since you put it that way, you are a BIG chicken? :D Seriously, I do recall at one point thinking that you were just a CT nut, but after you explained your theories, I removed that label (not that it matters to you), even though I don't agree with your theory.
Bill Kristol is okay. :)
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And as nodick said...
I love you too you raging homosexual crack head.