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Title: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 01, 2007, 06:21:08 PM
unbearable pain that starts at my posterior delt...sometimes moves to the anterior delt (not muscle though...somewhere underneath)...if i lift my arm my teres major feels 'stretched' and on occasion the vein in my upper arm (i dont remember the name 4 it) starts bulging out of my arm and feels "pulled" ..

right now it i feel pain somewhere underneath my medial delt...it feels kinda like soreness but if i squeeze my shoulder it doesn't hurt ..it somewhere underneath...

I'm seeing a specialist (orthopedic surgeon) tomorrow morn...i saw a doc las week and he told me jack shit.. >:(

and when i say unbearable pain..i mean i cant walk...talk...sleep...OR even get to my bottle of advil ..i'm completely immobilized... :(  its like i dont know what to do with myself...when it does hit..NOTHING helps...and it goes away for hours..like now but when it does hit...its horrible..i got me a half a pint of scotch and a codine pill read for when and if...not taking any chances..last nite i actually wanted to chop my arm off it hurt so bad...
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 01, 2007, 06:26:15 PM
Doc told me jack shit about my lower back and I just kinda did legpresses and discontinued deads, bam, it was gone. I threw away the prescription for ibuprofen..  ::)

Shoulder problems = best left to heal, but you can affort a specialist, so you have that luxury. I lifted through all my shoulder problems and they just kinda healed, but of course on huge amounts of calories.

I am gonna go back to bulking this 2008 new year.. I now how to cut now, so, it's just gaining some more.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Bluto on November 01, 2007, 06:27:44 PM
whats wrong with me shoulder??
















well for one thing




too damn narrow and tiny
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 01, 2007, 06:29:33 PM
whats wrong with me shoulder??
















well for one thing




too damn narrow and tiny


Looks like he needs some spinach like popeye.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: noc on November 01, 2007, 06:30:21 PM
bezerkfury: "proteinfarts blew his shoulders out using 50lb dumbbells!!!!!!!! hes just deleted the post admiting it!!!!!!!!


 ::) 
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: gcb on November 01, 2007, 06:31:31 PM
unbearable pain that starts at my posterior delt...sometimes moves to the anterior delt (not muscle though...somewhere underneath)...if i lift my arm my teres major feels 'stretched' and on occasion the vein in my upper arm (i dont remember the name 4 it) starts bulging out of my arm and feels "pulled" ..

right now it i feel pain somewhere underneath my medial delt...it feels kinda like soreness but if i squeeze my shoulder it doesn't hurt ..it somewhere underneath...

I'm seeing a specialist (orthopedic surgeon) tomorrow morn...i saw a doc las week and he told me jack shit.. >:(

and when i say unbearable pain..i mean i cant walk...talk...sleep...OR even get to my bottle of advil ..i'm completely immobilized... :(  its like i dont know what to do with myself...when it does hit..NOTHING helps...and it goes away for hours..like now but when it does hit...its horrible..i got me a half a pint of scotch and a codine pill read for when and if...not taking any chances..last nite i actually wanted to chop my arm off it hurt so bad...

Don't chop your arm off - you will have symmetry issues if you do that.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Bluto on November 01, 2007, 06:33:54 PM
Looks like he needs some spinach like popeye.

His type of spinach he blows through his nose  :-\
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: the choad on November 01, 2007, 06:39:52 PM
Get some perks or vicodan man... :D
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 01, 2007, 07:31:22 PM
bezerkfury: "proteinfarts blew his shoulders out using 50lb dumbbells!!!!!!!! hes just deleted the post admiting it!!!!!!!!


 ::) 



eons ago...i hurt it trying to shoulder press a barbell loaded to 235...it buried me...

i had done 2 plates before for a few..now this is EONS ago and me actually training consistantly ago...since then it has always clicked.. :-\
i'm 31 now..i urt it when i ws maybe 22

now ..if i tried today..i'd have trouble putting up 40 lb bells for a few...hey i'm weak and out of shape..olks put up pix of me as i am now  THAT I MYSELF POSTED thinking it'll irk me..but lol fuck...i admit i'm shit outta shape ...sooo i kinda dont get that :-\
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 01, 2007, 07:33:19 PM
Get some perks or vicodan man... :D


when i was a druggie i preerred coke...

i HATE how perks and vikes and codiene makes me feel....ick..dunno how anyone can enjoy that...makes me feel ..well...like nothing..like sick to my stomach and zoned out...no wayy..
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: knny187 on November 02, 2007, 09:46:23 AM
Thats ok.....

I pulled something in my left shoulder the other day taking my shirt off

 ;D
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Man of Steel on November 02, 2007, 09:58:26 AM
unbearable pain that starts at my posterior delt...sometimes moves to the anterior delt (not muscle though...somewhere underneath)...if i lift my arm my teres major feels 'stretched' and on occasion the vein in my upper arm (i dont remember the name 4 it) starts bulging out of my arm and feels "pulled" ..

right now it i feel pain somewhere underneath my medial delt...it feels kinda like soreness but if i squeeze my shoulder it doesn't hurt ..it somewhere underneath...

I'm seeing a specialist (orthopedic surgeon) tomorrow morn...i saw a doc las week and he told me jack shit.. >:(

and when i say unbearable pain..i mean i cant walk...talk...sleep...OR even get to my bottle of advil ..i'm completely immobilized... :(  its like i dont know what to do with myself...when it does hit..NOTHING helps...and it goes away for hours..like now but when it does hit...its horrible..i got me a half a pint of scotch and a codine pill read for when and if...not taking any chances..last nite i actually wanted to chop my arm off it hurt so bad...

Thank goodness your posting ability hasn't been hindered.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: MAXX on November 02, 2007, 10:00:26 AM


eons ago...i hurt it trying to shoulder press a barbell loaded to 235...it buried me...

i had done 2 plates before for a few..now this is EONS ago and me actually training consistantly ago...since then it has always clicked.. :-\
i'm 31 now..i urt it when i ws maybe 22

now ..if i tried today..i'd have trouble putting up 40 lb bells for a few...hey i'm weak and out of shape..olks put up pix of me as i am now  THAT I MYSELF POSTED thinking it'll irk me..but lol fuck...i admit i'm shit outta shape ...sooo i kinda dont get that :-\
who are you kidding... you cant shoulderpress 225 to save your life...
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Andre Nickatina on November 02, 2007, 10:14:00 AM
Don't put ANY pressure on it for awhile
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 12:34:20 PM
who are you kidding... you cant shoulderpress 225 to save your life...


i cant even squat 225 now...didn't ya read what i posted??
    :-\

Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Playboy on November 02, 2007, 12:36:42 PM
whats wrong with me shoulder??
















well for one thing




too damn narrow and tiny

LMAO :)
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 02, 2007, 12:38:25 PM
cocaine took away my back pain when I did it.. So did ecstasy.

Try valium, but I don't think it'll do much. Just relax you a bit and make you drowsy. You could try smoking weed.

Stay away from codine and stuff.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 12:38:41 PM
Don't put ANY pressure on it for awhile


update..i got a cortizone shot in my shoulder today so for the first time in weeks i'm pain free( the shot hurt like a bitch though)...doc said it ws brusitis <sp??> ..kinda sux cause i'd gone ahead have bought me some gear to shape up for next summer...if the pain does not go away perm. then i'm due for an x-ray ...MRI etc..

Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
cocaine took away my back pain when I did it.. So did ecstasy.

Try valium, but I don't think it'll do much. Just relax you a bit and make you drowsy. You could try smoking weed.

Stay away from codine and stuff.

i kinda teach classes for dod and the feds now soooo no drugs for me.....that phase is done for good...plus since i dont go out..coke and E dont really interest me anymore...i'm happy with some good wine...

what really sux though is the gear i have sitting on me...my plan ws to start training and hit a clean 315 for 5 squat ..ditto for deads and then start my cycle...in either case my training partner from 8 yrs ago expects me in the gym next tuesday to do some cardio....thats step 1...lets see if i actually go..
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: The Coach on November 02, 2007, 12:50:43 PM
unbearable pain that starts at my posterior delt...sometimes moves to the anterior delt (not muscle though...somewhere underneath)...if i lift my arm my teres major feels 'stretched' and on occasion the vein in my upper arm (i dont remember the name 4 it) starts bulging out of my arm and feels "pulled" ..

right now it i feel pain somewhere underneath my medial delt...it feels kinda like soreness but if i squeeze my shoulder it doesn't hurt ..it somewhere underneath...

I'm seeing a specialist (orthopedic surgeon) tomorrow morn...i saw a doc las week and he told me jack shit.. >:(

and when i say unbearable pain..i mean i cant walk...talk...sleep...OR even get to my bottle of advil ..i'm completely immobilized... :(  its like i dont know what to do with myself...when it does hit..NOTHING helps...and it goes away for hours..like now but when it does hit...its horrible..i got me a half a pint of scotch and a codine pill read for when and if...not taking any chances..last nite i actually wanted to chop my arm off it hurt so bad...

Rotator or possible labral tear. If the pain is unbearable when you're not using it, that's usually an indication of a tear especially if you don't have full ROM. I deal with all the time with physical therapy clients. For right now until you get a script for an MRI...Rest, Ice and 1600mg of ibuprofin.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 12:54:56 PM
Rotator or possible labral tear. If the pain is unbearable when you're not using it, that's usually an indication of a tear especially if you don't have full ROM. I deal with all the time with physical therapy clients. For right now until you get a script for an MRI...Rest, Ice and 1600mg of ibuprofin.

how the hell did i tear it when i'm not even training??   ???  i got a cortizone shot today...next week i'm teaching a class i cant get away from so its a temp cure...  if the pain come back when the cortizone wears off i'm going in for a MRI...getting a MRI script isn't a problem...i've spent the lasrt week in bed....kinda getting sick of watching the teli..
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 02, 2007, 12:56:44 PM
i kinda teach classes for dod and the feds now soooo no drugs for me.....that phase is done for good...plus since i dont go out..coke and E dont really interest me anymore...i'm happy with some good wine...

what really sux though is the gear i have sitting on me...my plan ws to start training and hit a clean 315 for 5 squat ..ditto for deads and then start my cycle...in either case my training partner from 8 yrs ago expects me in the gym next tuesday to do some cardio....thats step 1...lets see if i actually go..

Let it heal first..

And don't steroids help patch up joint problems?

I am lean atm, but weak. Plan on adding more size meself this january, but I gotta start eating again. And 500 of 2200 total cals can't come from vodka.  :-X I feel great though. I take my vitamins and eat clean.

I plan on switching to wine, but the problem is, I'd end up shooting the entire 750 ml bottle.  ;D No but really, I always drink less with wine and it's very low in calories.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 01:05:53 PM
Let it heal first..

And don't steroids help patch up joint problems?

I am lean atm, but weak. Plan on adding more size meself this january, but I gotta start eating again. And 500 of 2200 total cals can't come from vodka.  :-X I feel great though. I take my vitamins and eat clean.

I plan on switching to wine, but the problem is, I'd end up shooting the entire 750 ml bottle.  ;D No but really, I always drink less with wine and it's very low in calories.

GH would help with joint issues...i dont see how juice would help A-vascular tissue...
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: MAXX on November 02, 2007, 01:12:19 PM

i cant even squat 225 now...didn't ya read what i posted??
    :-\


yeah like all the other jackasses at my gym that tells me how much stronger the used to be  ::)
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Laura Lee on November 02, 2007, 01:21:44 PM
rotacuff?
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Rami on November 02, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
Now is your chance to do huuuuge amount of cardio! Congratulations.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 02:10:52 PM
rotacuff?



i've taken both anatomy phyz 1 and 2 plus biomechanix in college as electives..not only aced em but wrote terp notes for all 3

i can spell it any which way i want...


now plez remove yourself from my presence...
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 02:11:35 PM
Now is your chance to do huuuuge amount of cardio! Congratulations.


i prefer to get fat >:(   its ok....i'm really really charming!


......and sorta rich... :D
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: The Coach on November 02, 2007, 02:16:37 PM
how the hell did i tear it when i'm not even training??   ???  i got a cortizone shot today...next week i'm teaching a class i cant get away from so its a temp cure...  if the pain come back when the cortizone wears off i'm going in for a MRI...getting a MRI script isn't a problem...i've spent the lasrt week in bed....kinda getting sick of watching the teli..

In your first post you didn't say you were not training.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: dr.chimps on November 02, 2007, 02:29:13 PM
Hmm. Like Coach says, it could be a rotator thingy. Might want to see if it is a scapular deal. Lots of nerves can get impinged back there, and can be misdiagnosed as a shoulder dingus. Ask around your gym and find out if there  are any good sports injury specialists. A lot of doctors either don't have clue and are too busy to track it down. Do a bit of legwork. 

/a good half bottle of wine will take the edge off of most acute pain.  :)
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 03:50:37 PM
In your first post you didn't say you were not training.

my bad man...lol i thought everyone had seen my pix that squatfatter keeps posting..does that look like a trained human 2 u :-\

again ..my bad...
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 02, 2007, 03:51:36 PM


/a good half bottle of wine will take the edge off of most acute pain.  :)


o brother trust me...i'm drinking sake as we speak! :)
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Old-Skool on November 02, 2007, 06:42:10 PM
Listen to Coach. Note: "Rotator Cuff" is not a single muscle: composed of four different muscles each with unique action ;Supraspinatus, Infraspinatus, Teres Minor, and Subscapularis. Does it hurt on internal rotation? On external rotation...blah, blah blah....

Solution: Start Deca immediately. LOL
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Richard2004 on November 03, 2007, 08:43:32 AM
unbearable pain that starts at my posterior delt...sometimes moves to the anterior delt (not muscle though...somewhere underneath)...if i lift my arm my teres major feels 'stretched' and on occasion the vein in my upper arm (i dont remember the name 4 it) starts bulging out of my arm and feels "pulled" ..

right now it i feel pain somewhere underneath my medial delt...it feels kinda like soreness but if i squeeze my shoulder it doesn't hurt ..it somewhere underneath...

I'm seeing a specialist (orthopedic surgeon) tomorrow morn...i saw a doc las week and he told me jack shit.. >:(

and when i say unbearable pain..i mean i cant walk...talk...sleep...OR even get to my bottle of advil ..i'm completely immobilized... :(  its like i dont know what to do with myself...when it does hit..NOTHING helps...and it goes away for hours..like now but when it does hit...its horrible..i got me a half a pint of scotch and a codine pill read for when and if...not taking any chances..last nite i actually wanted to chop my arm off it hurt so bad...

Of course, this post belongs over on the "Training Q&A" forum...but, probably you've overdone the bench-bounce-bumps (in particular, wide-grip!?) and have relatively grossly over-developed/trained the front delts!

That's all the kids do in the gym nowadays...endless sets of bench-bounce-bumps, and then they follow-up with sets of DB front lateral raises, a few curls and tricep presses and then go home...and then they wonder why they have '"shoulder problems"...duhhhhh!!
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Laura Lee on November 04, 2007, 03:28:21 PM


i've taken both anatomy phyz 1 and 2 plus biomechanix in college as electives..not only aced em but wrote terp notes for all 3

i can spell it any which way i want...


now plez remove yourself from my presence...
Idiot, I was asking you if you think you might have some damage in it.  Not inquiring about your spelling.  ::)
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Bast000 on November 04, 2007, 03:48:23 PM
sounds like tendinitis/bursitis caused by overtraining
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Al-Gebra on November 04, 2007, 03:50:07 PM
sounds like tendinitis/bursitis caused by overtraining

monster assuming that toxie trains.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: knny187 on November 04, 2007, 04:30:23 PM
chances are he hurt it falling down drunk
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 04, 2007, 04:32:36 PM
chances are he hurt it falling down drunk

Or trying to pour something out of a 1.75 liter bottle.  :-X
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: knny187 on November 04, 2007, 04:49:42 PM
or slipping in the gang shower of a local jail
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Bruffy on November 05, 2007, 06:17:25 AM
Shoulder injuries can be linked to behind the neck presses.  You could have done some damage to your rotor cuff.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: Big Worm on November 05, 2007, 12:54:50 PM
unbearable pain that starts at my posterior delt...sometimes moves to the anterior delt (not muscle though...somewhere underneath)...if i lift my arm my teres major feels 'stretched' and on occasion the vein in my upper arm (i dont remember the name 4 it) starts bulging out of my arm and feels "pulled" ..

right now it i feel pain somewhere underneath my medial delt...it feels kinda like soreness but if i squeeze my shoulder it doesn't hurt ..it somewhere underneath...

I'm seeing a specialist (orthopedic surgeon) tomorrow morn...i saw a doc las week and he told me jack shit.. >:(

and when i say unbearable pain..i mean i cant walk...talk...sleep...OR even get to my bottle of advil ..i'm completely immobilized... :(  its like i dont know what to do with myself...when it does hit..NOTHING helps...and it goes away for hours..like now but when it does hit...its horrible..i got me a half a pint of scotch and a codine pill read for when and if...not taking any chances..last nite i actually wanted to chop my arm off it hurt so bad...
I had the same thing... After all the MRI's and x-rays..It was just stiff shoulder ... It hurt like hell! I was in pain all day... It wasn't a surface pain,it was deep... I went through intense physical therapy... After yanking ,pulling,stretching....It feels alot better ..Not 100% yet,but I would say about 70%.. Good luck bro.
Title: Re: whats wrong with me shoulder??
Post by: BDG on November 05, 2007, 01:55:38 PM
Rotator or possible labral tear. If the pain is unbearable when you're not using it, that's usually an indication of a tear especially if you don't have full ROM. I deal with all the time with physical therapy clients. For right now until you get a script for an MRI...Rest, Ice and 1600mg of ibuprofin.

100% correct. Excellent post.

I had this in my right shoulder.  I would rest it, and it would eventually get better. But it would HURT / BURN for about a month or 2.  Then It would ease up for 6 months or a year.

If the pain is unbearable, or still present after a week's rest with intermittent ice, then you have a tear .  Possible labral.  HOWEVER, if you feel a real tightening of the joint, it is probably a rotator cuff tear.

Bad news and more bad news. Which do you want first.

Bad news.  Cortizone shot did shit. Stop those.
More bad news - X-ray will not tell you shit. Stop that as well.

MORE bad news.you need a special kind of MRI.  You will need to get an injection directly into your shoulder joint first of a solution that will allow for a higher resolution. THEN you get an MRI.

(I had this done.. I DO NOT reccommend it. Getting needle through your pec, and then feeling the pressure build up in your shoulder was plainly no fun.. Not painful mind you, but NO FUN.

Good news. All of these are repairable with srthoscopic sugery..... but you will be out of the gym for 3 months..

I had this done, but it was WELL worth it.
over a year later and my strength has completely returned.  It took a year though. No lie.