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It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best, sincerely, Howard in Ga
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LOL< just in case you are wondering, this is not a meltdown, ....repeat NOT a metltdown.
I am just kinda bored and a tad frustarted by the direction of pro /elite bodybuilding these past 20 years..
Nothing drastic.The pro BB radio show with Chic is pretty cool and I enjoy the expos and many of the get big bunch. Ron and Issac are some quality guys .
It is not mere drug use I am concerned with however. It is the absurd , EXTREME use that makes me shake my head and wonder wtf??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Oh well, I guess I am old fart now , ready to hit 49 soon. For me Zane was the ultimate Mr O.
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It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best, sincerely, Howard in Ga
Welcome to my world.
Funny thing is, there are those who accuse me of not loving bbing, which couldn't be further from the truth. I just don't care for comp. bbing's current state.
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Is that your brother with you in the picture?
I agree that bodybuilding has turned into something it was NEVER intended to be. Man seems to never be able to comprehend or deal with his own limitations. Bodybuilding as it exists today is something that was never intended by it's pioneers.
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It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best, sincerely, Howard in Ga
"I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled body" You know what, that's great, there is nothing wrong with that and you're way ahead of the game plan compared to the way most people live.
That said, whoever said competitive bodybuilding was about health? It's not about health any more then say football, baseball, badminton, or checkers.
Sure, the concepts around BB are based on personal health...this is obvious and is how most anyone should approach it in their everyday life. But what one does to ones own health is irrelevant to the sport...although it may very well be stupid at times. Same can be said for any pro athlete, i.e. baseball player who lives an insane life off the field.
As for the glorified monsters you speak of, I guess it's just a matter of taste. I've said it before, but I have no desire to see the competitive stage full of "health nuts" you know, just in shape guys. Anyone can do this, but it's the "extreme" that separates the average guy from the monster.
As you can guess by now, I'm not a huge Zane fan...sure I can appreciate his accomplishments, but he's way down the list IMO.
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Welcome to my world.
Funny thing is, there are those who accuse me of not loving bbing, which couldn't be further from the truth. I just don't care for comp. bbing's current state.
amen brother :D
I could give a rats fuzzy hind end if the sport is 100% drug free or whatever.
I am just sick and tired of the endless glorification of some 300 lb walking pharmacy as the ideal physique, wtf? ???
For me the current guy like Ronnie Rockell, Darrem Charles and Kai Green are the ultimate.
I sincerely respect Jay as a class act and understand why he feels he must carry such mass, but feel his physique should lose to Dexter when I see them both in top shape side by side.
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Is that your brother with you in the picture?
I agree that bodybuilding has turned into something it was NEVER intended to be. Man seems to never be able to comprehend or deal with his own limitations. Bodybuilding as it exists today is something that was never intended by it's pioneers.
I disagree. Those guys would have been just like the ones today if they had access to the same things and knowledge that guys have today. After all, what they did at the time was everything within their power to get as big as they did...you can bet your ass they would have done things differently or more extreme if the knowledge had been there...and I'm not just talking about drugs.
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Howie go snuggle with the little lady, get away from the computer and when you wake up have a shot of vodka.
LONG LIVE THE HOWDOG:
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"I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled body" You know what, that's great, there is nothing wrong with that and you're way ahead of the game plan compared to the way most people live.
That said, whoever said competitive bodybuilding was about health? It's not about health any more then say football, baseball, badminton, or checkers.
Sure, the concepts around BB are based on personal health...this is obvious and is how most anyone should approach it in their everyday life. But what one does to ones own health is irrelevant to the sport...although it may very well be stupid at times. Same can be said for any pro athlete, i.e. baseball player who lives an insane life off the field.
As for the glorified monsters you speak of, I guess it's just a matter of taste. I've said it before, but I have no desire to see the competitive stage full of "health nuts" you know, just in shape guys. Anyone can do this, but it's the "extreme" that separates the average guy from the monster.
As you can guess by now, I'm not a huge Zane fan...sure I can appreciate his accomplishments, but he's way down the list IMO.
The over 250 lb mass monsters are not possible without extreme drug use and that ruins the contours and overall line of a classic physique. While getting tanned and contest ripped may not be as healthy as just eating well and working out, I would prefer a show that picked the best overall PHYSIQUE not just the most massive, ripped body.
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Howie go snuggle with the little lady, get away from the computer and when you wake up have a shot of vodka.
LONG LIVE THE HOWDOG:
Aaaa the get big or die campaign interview....what a memory ;D
I didn't do the vodka , but I did eat a bunch of Popeyes chicken and washed it down for the finest Root beer.
Then....I farted and cleared my mind 8)
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Howie go snuggle with the little lady, get away from the computer and when you wake up have a shot of vodka.
LONG LIVE THE HOWDOG:
Oh, the Beth is no longer my lady...she esacped :o
I now have my ex wife chained up and under a heft dose of sedatives locked in the tool shed.
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"I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled body" You know what, that's great, there is nothing wrong with that and you're way ahead of the game plan compared to the way most people live.
That said, whoever said competitive bodybuilding was about health? It's not about health any more then say football, baseball, badminton, or checkers.
Sure, the concepts around BB are based on personal health...this is obvious and is how most anyone should approach it in their everyday life. But what one does to ones own health is irrelevant to the sport...although it may very well be stupid at times. Same can be said for any pro athlete, i.e. baseball player who lives an insane life off the field.
As for the glorified monsters you speak of, I guess it's just a matter of taste. I've said it before, but I have no desire to see the competitive stage full of "health nuts" you know, just in shape guys. Anyone can do this, but it's the "extreme" that separates the average guy from the monster.
As you can guess by now, I'm not a huge Zane fan...sure I can appreciate his accomplishments, but he's way down the list IMO.
Hmm gee, it's called bodybuilding the name itself implies a healthy lifestyle. Building means making something better, not kidney failure.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/building
hmm nope, can't find it on the list
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Good post Howie!
I feel the same way. Training is fun and eating good and healthy is also.
My fascination for the the sport no longer exist. It's all about drugs, the sport
is based on drugs. Whitout AAS. GH and insulin there would be
no pro bodybuilding. The weiders managed to fool many people for a long
time, especially young kids. But today it's out in the open.
And the environment around pro bodybuilding is semi criminal,
drug dealers etc.
It would be interesting to hear Ron, Chic and more of getbig insiders to
comment on this
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For me Zane was the ultimate Mr O.
You like the 'swimmer look', eh?
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Good post Howie!
I feel the same way. Training is fun and eating good and healthy is also.
My fascination for the the sport no longer exist. It's all about drugs, the sport
is based on drugs. Whitout AAS. GH and insulin there would be
no pro bodybuilding. The weiders managed to fool many people for a long
time, especially young kids. But today it's out in the open.
And the environment around pro bodybuilding is semi criminal,
drug dealers etc.
It would be interesting to hear Ron, Chic and more of getbig insiders to
comment on this
Yeah very true, when i first started i looked up to these pro physiques but now i know its all drugs i feel better about training as a natural.
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It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best, sincerely, Howard in Ga
i AGREE WITH U HOWIE . 100% . ANNIE LOOKS GORGEOUS THERE.
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Howie, if bbing was easy, everyone would have the 'perfect physique' by a bb-fan perspective. but it's not. people spend years trying to increase this or balance that. it doesnt just happen. some people do purposely try and inflate certain bodyparts over others and sometimes it works. other times it looks like a mess. but that's life, and that's why there are good and 'bad' bbers.
Those guys would have been just like the ones today if they had access to the same things and knowledge that guys have today.
agreed. look at sergio oliva, arnie, lou. all mass monsters of the era.
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I disagree. Those guys would have been just like the ones today if they had access to the same things and knowledge that guys have today. After all, what they did at the time was everything within their power to get as big as they did...you can bet your ass they would have done things differently or more extreme if the knowledge had been there...and I'm not just talking about drugs.
Yep. :-\
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It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best, sincerely, Howard in Ga
who's the dude next to you?
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Howie usually makes a lot of sense, but this time Arnold jr makes more.
It’s easy to romanticize the good old days when you were young and bodybuilding was somehow more legitimate. The truth is the ‘good old days’ never were. The sport was just as troubled and the physiques just as distorted then as they are now. With few exceptions the champions back then were just as extreme as the champions of today and their physiques were considered just as freakish.
Sure, we have better drug cocktails today, but the sport has not really changed. What has changed is you.
You are older, wiser, and have a more subtle view of life that takes you beyond the narrow view of bodybuilding than you had at, say, 20. When you were more simple minded, you were more likely to justify your interest in bodybuilding by thinking of it in terms of health and fitness (a myth promulgated by BB magazines) but now that you are older, you can see that BB and health really have nothing to do with each other. BB is about vanity, health and wellness is not. There are lots of body-minded people who are interested in health who are not interested in cosmetic muscles: dancers, yoga, runners, gymnasts, etc.
As Maxx comically underscores, it is ironic that Howie paired his gone-off-a-cliff rhetoric with a photo of an artificially (drugged up) female bodybuilder. :-\
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Howie are you saying goodbye to bodybuilding or getbig.com?.
Getbig.com is the only force that is doing some good in bodybuilding, why not stick around and support the board. It doesnt make sense to just abandon the whole ship...There is a saying "dont throw out the baby with the bathwater".
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Howie is correct in every sense, I'm doing this final show for some self-satisfaction not for the love of BBing. Living the healthy non-competitive BBing lifestyle (not the lifestyle that those moral degerates at MD display) is great as long as the BBing "healthy" lifestyle is done how it was originally supposed to be, strong physical presents, healthy eating habits, strength, vigor and general health. I have been approached to possibly write some articals on mid-aged health and the benfits of fitness for people my age. I may take them up on that.
The only thing that I disagree with Howie is that "bodybuilding is not a sport" and as hard as it is (and I'm feeling right now) I will always maintain that.
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Howie usually makes a lot of sense, but this time Arnold jr makes more.
It’s easy to romanticize the good old days when you were young and bodybuilding was somehow more legitimate. The truth is the ‘good old days’ never were. The sport was just as troubled and the physiques just as distorted then as they are now. With few exceptions the champions back then were just as extreme as the champions of today and their physiques were considered just as freakish.
Sure, we have better drug cocktails today, but the sport has not really changed. What has changed is you.
You are older, wiser, and have a more subtle view of life that takes you beyond the narrow view of bodybuilding than you had at, say, 20. When you were more simple minded, you were more likely to justify your interest in bodybuilding by thinking of it in terms of health and fitness (a myth promulgated by BB magazines) but now that you are older, you can see that BB and health really have nothing to do with each other. BB is about vanity, health and wellness is not. There are lots of body-minded people who are interested in health who are not interested in cosmetic muscles: dancers, yoga, runners, gymnasts, etc.
As Maxx comically underscores, it is ironic that Howie paired his gone-off-a-cliff rhetoric with a photo of an artificially (drugged up) female bodybuilder. :-\
This is dead on. I'm pretty sure the old timers would have done what it took to get the job done back then just like the guys are doing now-they are using the what the forefront of modern technology has to offer to achieve their goals-most of which have more to do with being better than the guy next to them than just the best they can be. Anyway, I think people really don't know what can be done with a natural physique now and won't until the drug usage dies down dramatically. I think there is a lot of possibility for natural bbers; even to get way bigger than we currently think they can.
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not so sure about that...I mean why didnt they just do mega doses of test and deca and dball...They didnt' so it seems like they had some aesthetic in mind and decided to stick to it rather than just pop more pills.
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ALL Tuna, Oatmeal & Broccoli!!!
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Bodybuilding is just a baby. The best is still to come. There's gonna be a freakiness that you just can't imagine! GOOD TIMES!!!
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It's a "sport" based on drug use. No drugs equals no sport. More and more my training has gone into functional training. I admire the physiques of Olympic lifters, running backs, sprinters, wrestlers, etc. over cosmetic drug bloated bodybuilders. Don't get me wrong I have lifted and followed the "sport" for many years.
I really have opened my eyes that if a physique isn't functional it's a waste of time spending time in the gym. What good is looking good if you can't run a 6 minutes mile? What good is a big chest and arms if you can't do 65 full range of motion push ups in one minute? What good is looking like you can rip someones head off if your just a poser in speedos? What good is a 400lbs bench with a bench shirt when you don't have the power to power clean 250lbs.?
I was in the weight room with some Rutgers division I football players. They would use maybe 5 lifts total in their training. Power cleans, squats and some other basics. These guys were crazy strong and fast. I was just thinking what if the top ten bodybuilders were to square off with these kids on the football field. The bodybuilders would be knocked on their ass as if they were children in my opinion.
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It's a "sport" based on drug use. No drugs equals no sport. More and more my training has gone into functional training. I admire the physiques of Olympic lifters, running backs, sprinters, wrestlers, etc. over cosmetic drug bloated bodybuilders. Don't get me wrong I have lifted and followed the "sport" for many years.
I really have opened my eyes that if a physique isn't functional it's a waste of time spending time in the gym. What good is looking good if you can't run a 6 minutes mile? What good is a big chest and arms if you can't do 65 full range of motion push ups in one minute? What good is looking like you can rip someones head off if your just a poser in speedos? What good is a 400lbs bench with a bench shirt when you don't have the power to power clean 250lbs.?
I was in the weight room with some Rutgers division I football players. They would use maybe 5 lifts total in their training. Power cleans, squats and some other basics. These guys were crazy strong and fast. I was just thinking what if the top ten bodybuilders were to square off with these kids on the football field. The bodybuilders would be knocked on their ass as if they were children in my opinion.
seriously. Plus, to whoever said that the old guys didn't go the route that the new guys are going today with just more deca and primo...that's not a garuntee. Vince Giranda used to say that Schwarzenegger would eat Deca like it was cereal for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I love those old guys, but I'm sure they did that too...with everything!-oral sterioids, vitamens, supps...whatever. As much as they could, whenever they could-that was the thing back then anyway-more was better....ie: 4 hours of training per day, 20-30 sets per bodypart....
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It's a "sport" based on drug use. No drugs equals no sport. More and more my training has gone into functional training. I admire the physiques of Olympic lifters, running backs, sprinters, wrestlers, etc. over cosmetic drug bloated bodybuilders. Don't get me wrong I have lifted and followed the "sport" for many years.
That's great, but you do understand that many and I say many as in the majority, use performance enhancing drugs...and those sports would be nothing like they are without them.
I know, some would argue that there is no way on earth anyone could know this for fact. Well, I disagree. Look at football for instance. When you have running backs that push 250lbs and linemen over 350lbs who run a 40 in 4.7, are you going to try and say they are not taking something?
I really have opened my eyes that if a physique isn't functional it's a waste of time spending time in the gym. What good is looking good if you can't run a 6 minutes mile? What good is a big chest and arms if you can't do 65 full range of motion push ups in one minute? What good is looking like you can rip someones head off if your just a poser in speedos? What good is a 400lbs bench with a bench shirt when you don't have the power to power clean 250lbs.?
Those things you listed, they are all great, but does it really matter? Do you need to be able to rip someones head off? If you're an MMA guy, then yeah, sure...but if you're a comp BB, who cares.
And IMO, a competitive BB physique is functional, it's functional with in the parameters of what he's trying to do...why can't some see this?
I was in the weight room with some Rutgers division I football players. They would use maybe 5 lifts total in their training. Power cleans, squats and some other basics. These guys were crazy strong and fast. I was just thinking what if the top ten bodybuilders were to square off with these kids on the football field. The bodybuilders would be knocked on their ass as if they were children in my opinion.
You're prob right, but no need for me to blab anymore...everything I've just said pretty much sums up my opinion vs. yours.
BTW, I'm not being an ass, or anything like that, just stating my difference of opinion. Needed to say that because after all, this is getbig and what you say and do can and will be used against you, lol!
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:) I am impressed with the quality of replys here and varied thoughtful opinions.
I will do my best to answer and offer my 2 cents of what has been said so far.
1. No, I am NOT going anywhere. I am die hard musclehead. However, I will no longer backdown or say "ahh shucks, ok" when it comes the extreme drug use in bodybuilding. The fact is , it is against the federal drug laws and rules of the IFBB on banned substances as well as a health hazzard.
In my opinion , the extreme use ruins the classic lines of a great physique.
2. I have always been against the extreme use of steroid based drugs. I remember speaking out against this back in the late 70's during the proverbial golden age of Pumping Iron. I am be a broken record , but I am consistant broken record.
3. While the examples of drugs in other sports is an intelligent analogy,I am not that interested in pro football or baseball, etc. My favorite sport is BODYBUILDING. I am only interested in bodybuilding.
I lost interest in pro sports years ago when it became more about media coverage and salary caps than the drama of sport competition.
4. In my humble opinion, fans that REQUIRE the pro bodybuilders to risk their health and drug laws to look freaky, are fans that don't really care about the personal welfare of those they cheer on the pro stage.
I would be more likely to attend and buy tickets to MORE pro events , if the pros ended extreme drug use and came in with less size, less freaky muscularity and retained their classic lines and shape.
Think how great it would be if a pro , could really compete well as a pro and not have to do the risky crap they do now. Having said that, I suspect many of them may actually PREFER being involved with this kind of risky bodybuilding lifestyle and may have some kind of physical or psychological addiction.
5. Please remember it is a PHYSIQUE not freak contest
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And IMO, a competitive BB physique is functional, it's functional with in the parameters of what he's trying to do...why can't some see this?
I think you mis-interpreted his meaning of functional. BBin type training is the least functional of all training protocols, if I am understanding this correctly.
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Clinical Study: MD After Party
Conclusion: Take up golf.
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I really have opened my eyes that if a physique isn't functional it's a waste of time spending time in the gym. What good is looking good if you can't run a 6 minutes mile? What good is a big chest and arms if you can't do 65 full range of motion push ups in one minute? What good is looking like you can rip someones head off if your just a poser in speedos?
what is the point in running a 6 minute mile or doing a lot of pushups in a short amount of time? the whole point of bodybuilding is looking good
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:) I am impressed with the quality of replys here and varied thoughtful opinions.
I will do my best to answer and offer my 2 cents of what has been said so far.
1. No, I am NOT going anywhere. I am die hard musclehead. However, I will no longer backdown or say "ahh shucks, ok" when it comes the extreme drug use in bodybuilding. The fact is , it is against the federal drug laws and rules of the IFBB on banned substances as well as a health hazzard.
In my opinion , the extreme use ruins the classic lines of a great physique.
Yes, it's against federal law to use these in the U.S. without a prescription, that much I'll give you. It is also against the IFBB's written rules, but everyone knows that this "rule" is only there for the protection of the IFBB...I would seriously doubt that it's a rule that was put in place for much more then simple show. Further, as we know, this rule is not encouraged by any means.
2. I have always been against the extreme use of steroid based drugs. I remember speaking out against this back in the late 70's during the proverbial golden age of Pumping Iron. I am be a broken record , but I am consistant broken record.
So would you say that some use of AAS or other performance enhancing drugs is permissible? You say that you're against "extreme use" so in your mind, is there a difference?
Further, would you be willing to admit that although many of those guys in the 70's you speak of, did not necessarily follow what many would call "responsible" use of AAS?
3. While the examples of drugs in other sports is an intelligent analogy,I am not that interested in pro football or baseball, etc. My favorite sport is BODYBUILDING. I am only interested in bodybuilding.
I lost interest in pro sports years ago when it became more about media coverage and salary caps than the drama of sport competition.
Those are things that have bothered me about other sports for a long while...prime example is basketball IMO. But when it comes to the issue of drugs and any type of sport or competition, the analogy is one that matches up well for this argument IMO.
4. In my humble opinion, fans that REQUIRE the pro bodybuilders to risk their health and drug laws to look freaky, are fans that don't really care about the personal welfare of those they cheer on the pro stage.
I would be more likely to attend and buy tickets to MORE pro events , if the pros ended extreme drug use and came in with less size, less freaky muscularity and retained their classic lines and shape.
Think how great it would be if a pro , could really compete well as a pro and not have to do the risky crap they do now. Having said that, I suspect many of them may actually PREFER being involved with this kind of risky bodybuilding lifestyle and may have some kind of physical or psychological addiction.
You make some good points, I for one would prefer for these people to not have to go as far as they do, particularly when it comes to final stages of contest prep. But I am a bit more liberal in my thinking I guess then you are. I can understand and relate to the "do whatever it takes" attitude. Can that be risky? Sure. Is it always the smartest approach? Probably not. But it's like anything worth achieving in life...there will be risk you have to take if you are going to go beyond the norm...same can be applied in regards to business ventures. The goals is to make the smartest risky decisions as you can...will there be downfalls? Yes, and this is very unfortunate. Would I like it if these downfalls did not exist? Yes.
5. Please remember it is a PHYSIQUE not freak contest
True, but it's a physique contest that demands going beyond "normal." There has to be a quasi supernatural element for it to be deemed legitimate and professional.
I think you mis-interpreted his meaning of functional. BBin type training is the least functional of all training protocols, if I am understanding this correctly.
What I meant was this. Bodybuilding style training, competitive bodybuilding style training, is functional for the bodybuilder to be able to stand on stage and display what he does...that is it's primary function. It's not intended to be viewed as functional in terms of moving objects or ripping off heads.
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Don't know when aas started to be illegal drugs in USA. But that must have changed the sport drastically. Suddenly people had to get drugs from drug dealers. Shady people started to get involved with bb - and bb had to relate to a criminal enviroment.
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2. I have always been against the extreme use of steroid based drugs. I remember speaking out against this back in the late 70's during the proverbial golden age of Pumping Iron. I am be a broken record , but I am consistant broken record.
Who's to say what is or isn't extreme? I'd say that's based on the individual. It's easier to just keep it natural, no pro hormones either. Just creatine and glutamine. Then, see where everyone's gains lie. I'd dominate about 95% of the jokers out there, guaranteed. ;)
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I admire the physiques of Olympic lifters, running backs, sprinters, wrestlers, etc. over cosmetic drug bloated bodybuilders.
Well after reading your post it is obvious that knowledge and experience doesn't come with age. Firstly, you admire the physiques of the above mentioned, well i hate to tell you, but the majority of those professionals are "on" stuff. There are forms of doping in nearly every sport imaginable, there are other athletes out there other than bodybuilders who use anabolic steroids.
And to then go on and say shit like bodybuilders would get their asses handed to them by football players, whether it is true or not, you come across as one of the insecure people who when they see a bodybuilder have to say things like "yeah hes big but a heavyweight boxer would knock him out" etc etc.
Bodybuilding is about, and judged, on looks. No one cares if a bodybuilder can or cannot run a 6 min mile. It is irrelevant to the sport.
Sorry for the rant.
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Who's to say what is or isn't extreme? I'd say that's based on the individual. It's easier to just keep it natural, no pro hormones either. Just creatine and glutamine. Then, see where everyone's gains lie. I'd dominate about 95% of the jokers out there, guaranteed. ;)
Hmmm, personal opinion? No , it is against the law and the actual rules of the organization that governs the sport.
If a sport or organizations fails to make any effort to enforce their own rules, one of the other needs to happne.
1. Simply change or delete the rule 2. law suit!
Jay Culter got his diuretic test positive thrown out in 2001 when he challenged it with a lawyer.
The IFBB's drug policy would fold like a house a cards in open court .
Now as for the fine , thoughtful reply from Arnold Jr let me address a couple of his points.
I know most of the big guys since the 1960's were on some amounts of juice.
One again, I really don't care if a top bodybuilder uses a small, sensible amount of AAS.
It is up to the organization and judges to keep things in check however.
For example, if guys OVER 250 did not dominate the Olympia, and those lighter, quality physiques started winning, that would be a major step in the right direction.
The Jim Manion "belly ban" was 100% right on the money.
The problem is in understanding moderation and not in going to extremes for the sake of a pro drug or natural agenda.