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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: jakecody on November 02, 2007, 06:48:45 AM
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check this out. got that off another board and double chacked it.
Arnold Schwarzenegger steroids cycle
Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable)
Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral)
Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
Week 1
600mg / week
60mg / day
Week 2
600mg / week
60mg / day
Week 3
600mg / week
60mg / day
Week 4
600mg / week
60mg / day
Week 5
600mg / week
60mg / day
Week 6
800mg / week
80mg / day
Week 7
800mg / week
80mg / day
Week 8
800mg / week
80mg / day
Week 9
800mg / week
80mg / day
Week 10
800mg / week
80mg / day
Week 11
1000mg / week
100mg / day
Week 12
1000mg / week
100mg / day
Week 13
1000mg / week
100mg / day
Week 14
1000mg / week
100mg / day
Week 15
800mg / week
80mg / day
Week 16
800mg / week
80mg / day
Week 17
800mg / week
80mg / day
Week 18
600mg / week
60mg / day
Week 19
600mg / week
60mg / day
Week 20
600mg / week
60mg / day
BRIDGE
Week 21
30mg / day
200mg / week
Week 22
30mg / day
200mg / week
Week 23
30mg / day
200mg / week
Week 24
30mg / day
200mg / week
Week 25
30mg / day
200mg / week
Week 26
30mg / day
200mg / week
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN
The cut and paste did not work too well. the bridge is Dbol and Deca.
How about that. What AI? What AE? What PCT? What Test? Time off - No such thing. I did not think the human body could take such abuse...And yet they are still around.
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no one knows what arnies stack was, not even his closest freinds!
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you call that abuse? hahahahahah that aint sheeeiiiitttt.
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There was no real PCT in those days.
No AIs and no AEs, having bitch tits in 1970s was par for the course, sort of like a cauliflower ears for a rugby player.
Coming off was a massive struggle.
Dan Duchaine was the first guy really to bring PCT to the masses.
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This cycle has been posted here several times, as have numerous other Arnold "supposed" cycles...the one thing they all have in common, everyone says this is the legit Arnold cycle.
The only reason anyone even knows that Arnold used dbol and fina is because those are the two he has typically talked about in interviews in the past...that doesn't mean those were the two main ones he used.
Anyone who thinks Arnold didn't' take everything that was available to him at the time has lost their mind. He may have very well gone periods where he didn't use any test in his plan, but you can bet your ass that test was in there at some point...especially considering the type of marathon training he used to do.
Last off, that dose of dbol you have listed, no way. I've heard Arnold say in past interviews more then once, that back in the Gold's days that they used to eat dbol like tic-tacs...so know way they even new how many mg/ed they were using, and no way it was just 60-100mg/ed
Point being to all this, long and short, that posted cycle is 100% bullshit.
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He looked full of Drol and Test and Deca in plenty of Pix.
THe idea these guys took a couple dbol a days is pure BS.
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The point being even if the numbers are not exactly right they put a lot of drugs into their bodies without long breaks (if any)and without any "aids" (AI,AE, clomid, HCG...) I'm not even sure if they had liver protection supplements. I really wander how much a body can take after all Arnold is still around. Today we have the "tools" and supposed knowledge of how to plan a cycle. Even if some of the above cycle (can we call it that?) is right it definitely goes against current theory and safety.
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i think it has a lot to do with your genes too,,, i know plenty very advanced british lads who still dont beleive in pct... they never have and never will, but they dont get crashes when they come off or get sex drive problems...one is in his 50's and still in good health
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i think it has a lot to do with your genes too,,, i know plenty very advanced british lads who still dont beleive in pct... they never have and never will, but they dont get crashes when they come off or get sex drive problems...one is in his 50's and still in good health
Yup, look @ Casey Viator and the rest of that eras gang. Indestructible Mesomorph naturals.
Hard to kill.
I think this insulin + GH thing has changed the rules. Its possible to practically genetically alter the body if
done young enough.
Ever seen before and after Pix's of that Aurthor El Rae (sp?) He was a skeleton to start.
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I'm no expert but just from what I understand about the human body I can only assume that it would probably be easier to just stay on and not ever come off until you're done training. Yo-Yo ing your hormones and your body's production can't be any easier than shutting them off then once done turning em back on.
GH and slin have changed the game for sure. Look at the change between Yates and the man before him. It's a pretty drastic change. Still, so say anyone could look like arnold or ronnie is madness. Go ahead, post up your pictures and we'll see how many of the 15,000 members can even hold a candle to his look. I'll be big bucks that anyone who is even CLOSE is on way more gear than he was.
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I'm no expert but just from what I understand about the human body I can only assume that it would probably be easier to just stay on and not ever come off until you're done training. Yo-Yo ing your hormones and your body's production can't be any easier than shutting them off then once done turning em back on.
If you're trying to compete in a major way, then you're right, staying on most of the time is what you'll have to do. Staying on nonstop, no, but the majority of the year.
The yo-yoing you speak of, this can be a problem but nonstop can be a bigger problem. That's why the guys who remain active for a long time and who are serious about this whole thing take short breaks...you have to have these breaks to maintain "freshness" as well as sanity to a degree IMO.
By short breaks I'm talking about 6-8wks once, maybe 2xyr max...that's assuming the guy in question is competing every year without a break. if he takes a year off from the stage, then that's a whole other ballgame.
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hahahahaha, "abuse", oh brother that's a drop in the bucket compared to even local level NPC guys these days, hahahahahahahahaaaaa, i've never laughed so hard in my life, 600-800mg. a week Primobolan and 60mg. d bol a day? hahahahahahahaaaaaa, that's nothing.
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He might have used that much at 18 years old...lol
Arnold used everything under the sun, he was Weider's poster boy afterall.
this also shows that oral steroids aren't near as bad as people think. i know alot of guys back then took orals for years on end. i'm not saying it's a good idea to take orals for a long period but the guys who think 8 weeks is a long time for orals need to wake up.
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hahahahaha, "abuse", oh brother that's a drop in the bucket compared to even local level NPC guys these days, hahahahahahahahaaaaa, i've never laughed so hard in my life, 600-800mg. a week Primobolan and 60mg. d bol a day? hahahahahahahaaaaaa, that's nothing.
wow, we agree on something :o
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He might have used that much at 18 years old...lol
Arnold used everything under the sun, he was Weider's poster boy afterall.
this also shows that oral steroids aren't near as bad as people think. i know alot of guys back then took orals for years on end. i'm not saying it's a good idea to take orals for a long period but the guys who think 8 weeks is a long time for orals need to wake up.
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That's my point right there. 60-100mg/day of dbol and 800mg/week of primo might not be considered a lot today but it's the fact that those guys stayed on year around. When i read threads by experienced users the recom for dbol is 4- 6 weeks in dosages of less then 100mg/day. Most do not recom cycles of longer then 16-20 weeks with at least 2-3 months off time.
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The point being even if the numbers are not exactly right they put a lot of drugs into their bodies without long breaks (if any)and without any "aids" (AI,AE, clomid, HCG...)
it definitely goes against current theory and safety.
Not really. Those numbers might be slightly high, but just slightly. And that's for those of us who will never compete.
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That's my point right there. 60-100mg/day of dbol and 800mg/week of primo might not be considered a lot today but it's the fact that those guys stayed on year around. When i read threads by experienced users the recom for dbol is 4- 6 weeks in dosages of less then 100mg/day. Most do not recom cycles of longer then 16-20 weeks with at least 2-3 months off time.
todays pros stay on year round too.
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todays pros stay on year round too.
...and so do most amateur's
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...and so do most amateur's
And even a lot of sheetrockers, golfers, bowlers , race drivers,,,, Why aint our politicians caught on?
They need some performance enhancement more-n anyone.
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...and so do most amateur's
Amen.
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But then why did I bother spending months researching, asking questions on this board, bothering the hell out of Arnold, RDW, Overload...Lets just make it simple - Go on and stay on.
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But then why did I bother spending months researching, asking questions on this board, bothering the hell out of Arnold, RDW, Overload...Lets just make it simple - Go on and stay on.
No one is saying staying on year round is a good thing, just that a lot of people do it...no one said they were smart people either.
All that said, "time on = time off" is the safest approach. Is it absolutely necessary or is it how I do things? The answer is no to both.
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I'm no expert but just from what I understand about the human body I can only assume that it would probably be easier to just stay on and not ever come off until you're done training. Yo-Yo ing your hormones and your body's production can't be any easier than shutting them off then once done turning em back on.
There is a lot of truth in this. Really once you shut down natural production it will be just as difficult to recover from a 10 weeks cycle as a 1+ year cycle, it really does not matter.
The thing that matters though are the effects long term supralogical doses of steroids have on your cardiovascular system, chiefly your heart. Do you really think it is coincidence that these long time BB/gear heads have died from "heart problems"
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Do you really think it is coincidence that these long time BB/gear heads have died from "heart problems"
Can you name just one? Most of the gear heads from the 60's and 70's are much healthier than our grandparents and great grandparents ever thought of being.
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Can you name just one? Most of the gear heads from the 60's and 70's are much healthier than our grandparents and great grandparents ever thought of being.
I dont know about thet. Personaly my farmer grandparents and their friends are MUCH sturdier than the younger generations IMO. Even more so In SE Asia, my wifes homeland. Very old age common, with next to no health care in her area. They eat all natural, live in the clean air.
Many of them big wrestlers and strongmen die young of heart issues.
Keep tabs on lipids and BP etc MAY help, may not.
we all die in the end though,
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I dont know about thet. Personaly my farmer grandparents and their friends are MUCH sturdier than the younger generations IMO. Even more so In SE Asia, my wifes homeland. Very old age common, with next to no health care in her area. They eat all natural, live in the clean air.
Life span now compared to just two generations ago is much longer. Many of our grandparents and great grandparents (in America) died relatively young from heart disease and they never touched steroids. It was that good old country cooking and hard lives.
Many of them big wrestlers and strongmen die young of heart issues.
Keep tabs on lipids and BP etc MAY help, may not.
we all die in the end though,
Not related to steroids. If you check, heart issues among wrestlers is related to cocaine or other recreational drug use.
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Can you name just one? Most of the gear heads from the 60's and 70's are much healthier than our grandparents and great grandparents ever thought of being.
Arnold S himself had some heart surgery. Anyhow I dont care WTF you do just making people aware of possible complications of staying on gear for ever. How do you know how healthy my grandparents were?
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You wouldnt beleive the age and shape of the oldtimers on wifeys Island.
All natural food (Sea food and coconut) and NO medical care.
As a nation we are getting less healthy regardless of all the drugs the DRs shovel on us.
Even from time I was in HS (70s) to now, Major change in obesity & health.
I dont think AAS are the killer they are made to be, but need keep tabs on your health.
Ive seen more than a few oversize athletes die early. Just being big is likely a risk factor.
I sholuld live to 1000 ;D
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Arnold S himself had some heart surgery. Anyhow I dont care WTF you do just making people aware of possible complications of staying on gear for ever. How do you know how healthy my grandparents were?
Who knows if was true or not, but when Arnold had heart surgery, doctors claimed it was a genetic defect that had been there all along and that regardless of bodybuilding or anything else, eventually this would have caught up to him just the same.
BS? maybe, but we'll never no for sure...even so, genetic anomalies like this do occur in people. Case in point would be my father...a non smoker who was born with a tumor in his right lung...it grew until he was 42 until it had to come out. He's fine now, even though they did remove about 25% of one of his lungs
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Yep thats the usual reply he had "a possible genetic heart problem, would have happened regardless" Funny how these same guys also juiced their asses off for many, many years. Yes it is BS for the most part. But if everyone wants to believe steroids are health food or something, then keep dreaming.
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There is a lot of truth in this. Really once you shut down natural production it will be just as difficult to recover from a 10 weeks cycle as a 1+ year cycle, it really does not matter.
I 've read this before. Some actually said that shorter cycles could be more damaging then say 4-5 month cycles. I'm heading toward the end of my first cycle(10 week cycle - I'm in week 8) and keep wandering if i should prolong it. i have enough gear for another 5 weeks(15 total) and I could get more fairly easily. If it is true that the body has to work just as hard to recover from short cycles then longer ones is there harm in extending for another 10 weeks provided blood work is fine?
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Yep thats the usual reply he had "a possible genetic heart problem, would have happened regardless" Funny how these same guys also juiced their asses off for many, many years. Yes it is BS for the most part. But if everyone wants to believe steroids are health food or something, then keep dreaming.
My personal feel from use is that 250-500 or 600mg of clean Test per week is not so unhealthy.
Ive never had any health realated issues other than: Shutdown, some hair loss, zits.
Ive had blood work and exams and my best blood work has been on some pretty high doses or right after.
Eating poorly scores me worse lipids than AAS.
No prostrate issuse and Ive had PLENTY Thia Dbol, anapolon, TE SUS etc.
Genetics play a large roll.
Id steer clear of kitchen gear.
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Arnold S himself had some heart surgery. Anyhow I dont care WTF you do just making people aware of possible complications of staying on gear for ever. How do you know how healthy my grandparents were?
True, but Arnold had surgery for a congenital condition. His father died from it, so he decided to have it treated.
And, I wasn't referring specifically to your grandparents. No need to take it personal. It was not intended to be. I'm talking about what general statistics show.
My only intent was to inform some who may not know, what the bodybuilding community has known for about 10 years now and that is that hormones are beneficial to your health, not a hinderence.
We keep quoting the media, who has a predetermined agenda, as if they were telling the truth about the dangers of steroids when the evidence points to the fact that nothing could be further from the truth.
http://www.ergogenics.org/clapp.html
This is just one persons story. There is also an interview between Bryant Gumbel and a medical doctor floating around the internet where the doctor states that there is no evidence to support most of the negative rumors about steroids.
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Who knows if was true or not, but when Arnold had heart surgery, doctors claimed it was a genetic defect
It's true we can't prove it, but we do know his father died early from the same condition.
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i think the level of your abuse has a big part to play in how youl stand the test of time, if i was caining it as the pros do id fully expect to be having some problems along the line.
i think youd be hard pressed if you were a regular gym goer who does the odd cycle and u came down with major liver/kidney/or heart problems as a direct result of steroid use