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SO, Colossus, how did it happen? You stated it....fill us in....how did 911 really go down?
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He's right ;)
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here we go...another 911 conspiracy theorist genious.
How'd it happen then?
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here we go...another 911 conspiracy theorist genious.
How'd it happen then?
you started it...
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So um, radical "islam" pulled off 911?
A religion did it? Not a group of pricks with boxcutters?
It was carried out by a religion?
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NO, I didn't start the commentary on 911 being unable to be performed by the terrorists. As a moderator you should THOROUGHLY read threads before comments
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NO, I didn't start the commentary on 911 being unable to be performed by the terrorists. As a moderator you should THOROUGHLY read threads before comments
You said "radical islam" pulled off 911.
Please tell me how a religion can do physical things in this world. A religion is a concept. Real deeds are done by people. How did a concept conduct physical deeds?
The laws of physics have been redefined again folks!
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You said "radical islam" pulled off 911.
Please tell me how a religion can do physical things in this world. A religion is a concept. Real deeds are done by people. How did a concept conduct physical deeds?
The laws of physics have been redefined again folks!
your common sense should answer the question for you. do you have any?
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your common sense should answer the question for you. do you have any?
Do you mean "radical islamists"?
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hows this
radical islamic terrorists........
is that ok for you 240? Does it make sense now?
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NO, I didn't start the commentary on 911 being unable to be performed by the terrorists. As a moderator you should THOROUGHLY read threads before comments
Is there anything anyone could say to change your mind... nope... Nobody here wants to see another long drawn out thread on 9/11... we've all been there done that at great length... at this point some believe one way, others another way... Nothing short of actual video tape confessions of said conspirators along with video of the deed being committed by them would do... I do not have a time machine to satisfy you so this conversation is over... nobody here wants to hear it all one more time... Go bitch in one of the truther forums....
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hows this
radical islamic terrorists........
is that ok for you 240? Does it make sense now?
Well, you said I lack common sense.
You tried to pin responsibility for a human deed upon a concept.
Even I, who by your belief lacks common sense, knows that is impossible.
Now I start to wonder what ELSE you're completely wrong about, yet insulting people for? You insulted me when you were clearly in the wrong. Maybe you did the same to Colossus when you started this thread.
All I know is, I've never heard of you coltrane. But what I've learned in the last 5 minutes is that you'll make an incorrect statement and insult anyone who questions it. You don't have a lot of credibility to even defend your OWN statement, much less attack someone else's. It's like a homeless man making fun of a 4-bedroom house.
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And in Fairness to Colossus, how about you have the curtesy of linking to what he said so we have the exact context... ::)
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how is my statement "radical islam" incorrect 240?
most of the educated world knows that when referring to terrorists, the phrase "radical islam" is used. are you living under a rock? ::)
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And in Fairness to Colossus, how about you have the curtesy of linking to what he said so we have the exact context... ::)
Colossus originally got me going with his anti-american comments....go read them yourself. sorry bud, but i live in the U.S. and get offended with comments like these. I see NOTHING wrong with ANYTHING i've said on this thread.
When someone comes on and trashes the U.S. and it's military bc of a propagandist movie they've seen, it's only normal to piss a patriot off.
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Colossus originally got me going with his anti-american comments....go read them yourself. sorry bud, but i live in the U.S. and get offended with comments like these. I see NOTHING wrong with ANYTHING i've said on this thread.
When someone comes on and trashes the U.S. and it's military bc of a propagandist movie they've seen, it's only normal to piss a patriot off.
Oh Brother... Link!!!!!!!! ::) I'm having a real hard time seeing Colossus making anti-American remarks ::)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=178985.0
read thru this thread .....
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=178985.0
read thru this thread .....
coltranes talking about Colossus_1986, not Colossus_500
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how is my statement "radical islam" incorrect 240?
Islam is a religion. A religion cannot be a deed. It can be a motivator. But in the end, men were on those planes, not a doctrine.
most of the educated world knows that when referring to terrorists, the phrase "radical islam" is used. are you living under a rock? ::)
I have an MBA and an undergrad degree in history, and I follow the news pretty closely. I do consider myself educated, if you'd like to insinuate otherwise, you're wrong. But really, anyone with a 5th grade education to point out that a religion cannot commit a deed.
Radical islamists were involved with 911, yes.
And radical islam may have been their motivating force, along with money and whatever else.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=178985.0
read thru this thread .....
That's why you should have posted reference to being with! Everyone here would have thought you were talking about the Colossus who posts here frequently.
Who gives a shit... You found someone who doesn't buy the story... big deal... I find people who go on their little, "Think my way or leave the country" a fucking joke... These clowns go around with flags waiving from their trucks, have a yellow ribbon, and insist people follow government... Here's a news flash, back in the day, people like you were considered traitors to America... How about you get the fuck out and leave REAL patriots to funtion as they should in a democracy...
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yeah 240 and i have a JD and am a lawyer. SO?
you know exactly what i mean when i say "radical islam"
you're chasing ghosts.
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yeah 240 and i have a JD and am a lawyer. SO?
you know exactly what i mean when i say "radical islam"
you're chasing ghosts.
You have a law degree and you are making such mistakes?
You should sue whoever gave you that degree ;)
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That's why you should have posted reference to being with! Everyone here would have thought you were talking about the Colossus who posts here frequently.
Who gives a shit... You found someone who doesn't buy the story... big deal... I find people who go on their little, "Think my way or leave the country" a fucking joke... These clowns go around with flags waiving from their trucks, have a yellow ribbon, and insist people follow government... Here's a news flash, back in the day, people like you were considered traitors to America... How about you get the fuck out and leave REAL patriots to funtion as they should in a democracy...
Why don't you give me the history lesson Berzerker?? How were patriots "back in the day"??? And how EVER would i be considered a traitor? I vote, back the Country up with my thoughts and even to the extent of charity when i can afford it. Do you even understand the word "traitor" or it's definition? WOW.....I am totally shocked at the stupidity and naivity on this board.
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First time someone suggested we let 911 happen, I tried to pick a fight with a guy.
I went home that night and started looking at clips online, particularly the pentagon hole and WTC7 falling. I wanted to prove the idiot wrong. Understand I voted for Bush twice.
Well, the evidence points to some things that 19 men on planes wouldn't have been able to do. That's all I can say. You can disagree, Mr. JD, if you'd like. Hell, I tried to get the kid to fight me when he suggested it. But just google video "WTC7 new" and spend 5 minutes looking at the video. Then come back and tell us what you think :(
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SO, Colossus, how did it happen? You stated it....fill us in....how did 911 really go down?
In all fairness, you know exactly what the media and the government has told you about how the attacks of 9/11 occurred.
This guy Colossus_1986 just drew a different conclusion than you. Isn't it nice to know that we live in a culture so distrustful of our government that ideas like this can prosper? Thanks to Bush's incessant lies about Iraq, Katrina, tax cuts, Social Security, Iran...in fact, you name the topic and I'm sure the governmental lie can be shown.
They've been lying to us so much that we don't know what to believe.
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Why don't you give me the history lesson Berzerker?? How were patriots "back in the day"??? And how EVER would i be considered a traitor? I vote, back the Country up with my thoughts and even to the extent of charity when i can afford it. Do you even understand the word "traitor" or it's definition? WOW.....I am totally shocked at the stupidity and naivity on this board.
Yes, I hate to break it to you, but guys who insist the government not be questioned use to be frowned upon bigtime and still is by real patriots. If you're saying people who question the government should get out, yes, you're the traitor to our democracy. Nothing should be off limits for debate here. Telling people who question 9/11 that they are traitors, telling them to shut up, get out, makes you the traitor.
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Listen guys,
i've read enough lit related to both sides of the equation and have drawn my conclusions as you can read. I just find it INCREDIBLY unintelligent and actually, unbelievable to NOT think 911 was the result of terrorists. It's a slap in the face to the families of the men and women who died there.
yes, this topic does heat up some people, as I myself am included in that group. Sorry if i've offended anyone.
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Yes, I hate to break it to you, but guys who insist the government not be questioned use to be frowned upon bigtime and still is by real patriots. If you're saying people who question the government should get out, yes, you're the traitor to our democracy. Nothing should be off limits for debate here. Telling people who question 9/11 that they are traitors, telling them to shut up, get out, makes you the traitor.
woah.....hold up...I'm all FOR a free society were the Gov't is kept in check....i've never dismissed this as unimportant.
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Listen guys,
i've read enough lit related to both sides of the equation and have drawn my conclusions as you can read. I just find it INCREDIBLY unintelligent and actually, unbelievable to NOT think 911 was the result of terrorists. It's a slap in the face to the families of the men and women who died there.
yes, this topic does heat up some people, as I myself am included in that group. Sorry if i've offended anyone.
oh brother.... It's a bigger slap in their face comes by stiffling American democracy, which is what you do by saying shut up or get out...
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19 guys did hijack planes.
we just dont know who called off NORAD. And why building 7 fell.
and some of the loudest proponents for an investigation ARE teh families.
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oh brother.... It's a bigger slap in their face comes by stiffling American democracy, which is what you do by saying shut up or get out...
Youre accusing me of something I don't represent.
I'd be "stiffling" democracy if I said "shut up or get out" PRIOR TO watching any movies or understanding both sides
trust me, im a big proponent of governmental checks, but plain old ignorance i can't tolerate.
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woah.....hold up...I'm all FOR a free society were the Gov't is kept in check....i've never dismissed this as unimportant.
and the people don't have a role in checks? of course they do... This debate is nothing more than one check by the people on the government. If they see it one way, they can agree with the government. If they see it another, they can attempt to effect things through our democracy. No debate on government in America is unpatriotic, it is a function of healthy democracy. The simple fact is government has been guilty of lies, conspiracies and you name it... What we do by questioning things is make sure such transgressions by government don't go unquestioned. Wave a flag and shut up is unpatriotic.
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Youre accusing me of something I don't represent.
I'd be "stiffling" democracy if I said "shut up or get out" PRIOR TO watching any movies or understanding both sides
trust me, im a big proponent of governmental checks, but plain old ignorance i can't tolerate.
oh, so once you've reviewed the facts and made up your mind, you're a go for telling people to get out ::)
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and the people don't have a role in checks? of course they do... This debate is nothing more than one check by the people on the government. If they see it one way, they can agree with the government. If they see it another, they can attempt to effect things through our democracy. No debate on government in America is unpatriotic, it is a function of healthy democracy. The simple fact is government has been guilty of lies, conspiracies and you name it... What we do by questioning things is make sure such transgressions by government don't go unquestioned. Wave a flag and shut up is unpatriotic.
Yeah, and when have i stated i'm not for this????
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No dimwit, it's the ignorance that i can't deal with. Not these other made up vices you claim in your ramblings...
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No dimwit, it's the ignorance that i can't deal with. Not these other made up vices you claim in your ramblings...
list the made up vices please.
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Yeah, and when have i stated i'm not for this????
It's people like you who should move out of this country and go rot elsewhere.....pull your head outta your ass. I bet 911 was a big conspiracy too, right? Move to Canada, will ya?
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list the made up vices please.
lol... you're owning this kid :D
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i'm referring to him implying i'm not for the questioning of government......once again 240, your common sense is astounding
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i'm referring to him implying i'm not for the questioning of government......once again 240, your common sense is astounding
yea, and when colossus questioned, you asked him to get the fuck out :-*
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If you read the whole thread you'd know that was in reference to Colossus slamming the U.S. on a naive basis....NOT in reference to people questioning the gov't..............WHO"S GETTING OWNED??
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If you read the whole thread you'd know that was in reference to Colossus slamming the U.S. on a naive basis....NOT in reference to people questioning the gov't..............WHO"S GETTING OWNED??
Here's what you ask someone to get out of America for ::)
do you not remember 2003? when they went to Iraq? it took 2 weeks to take over the whole country!
here we are almost 5 years later...
are we to believe it takes this long for US superior technology and tactics to completely secure the whole country?
you obviously need to re-consider believing EVERYTHING you hear on the media...this is just another Vietnam...the interests of the USA are not to win the war, but keep it going for profits...
watch Part 3 of the movie ZEITGEIST (on google video) they explain alot of this...and trust me, you can't deny that the USA will make you believe what they want to...they're not the goody-two shoes country you thought....
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Plain and simple Berzerker, it's amazing, after all the evidence that you could believe the terrorists weren't to blame for 911. You are very simple minded. Explain to me, what exactly you think happened that morning then? Please do. But just keep it to the shortened versions...your ramblings are rather boring
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Plain and simple Berzerker, it's amazing, after all the evidence that you could believe the terrorists weren't to blame for 911. You are very simple minded. Explain to me, what exactly you think happened that morning then? Please do. But just keep it to the shortened versions...your ramblings are rather boring
LOL,... nice ;D Quickly divert from being busted... Please go over the last several posts made and explain what the attempt of this post is :D
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the obvious attempt at this post, MODERATOR (wow), was to show how naive people are when they watch anti american movies and believe 911 was the result of some unexplained phenomenon, not terrorism at its best.
your common sense is almost as nonexistent as 240's
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oh, and nice try on not explaining YOUR rendition of 911.
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Number one dimwit, I explained why I will not go into yet another rendition of 9/11... Not to mention you asked that something of this magnitude be kept short, oh brother ::) Can't be done... Use the search function clown... There is probably hundreds of threads for you to read through if you choose...
Number two, I got you loud and clear, Colossus had and opinion other than yours, you asked him and people "like him" to leave the country ;)
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listen berzerker
i'm sick of arguing too. but i'm the first one to say "lets hear both sides"...if you knew me personally you'd know that. This colossus guy was blaintantly bashing the U.S.(as a lot of Canadians do) and not just arguing another side. I got fed up and let him have it....end of story.
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Part of the government COULD have been involved..
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listen berzerker
i'm sick of arguing too. but i'm the first one to say "lets hear both sides"...if you knew me personally you'd know that. This colossus guy was blaintantly bashing the U.S.(as a lot of Canadians do) and not just arguing another side. I got fed up and let him have it....end of story.
no, you listen... Looks like he was engaging in valid debate... The fact is, your goto was that people like him should get out... Then you had the balls to state that you never disagreed with this post. (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=179003.msg2504357#msg2504357) That is unpatriotic and I have told you why... You dodged addressing that...
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no, you listen... Looks like he was engaging in valid debate... The fact is, your goto was that people like him should get out... Then you had the balls to state that you never disagreed with this post. (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=179003.msg2504357#msg2504357) That is unpatriotic and I have told you why... You dodged addressing that...
I haven't dodged addressing anything...you've got things so screwed up and twisted in your head that what you're addressing isn't the issue.
I started this thread bc i find it unreal that someone could state that the terrorist couldn't possibly have done 911. Next thing i know, youre on here saying i'm not for a questioning of government. Only after i felt this dude was bashing the US is when i, admittedly, said to basically get out and move back to Canada.
You've somehow woven your crazy ghostly accusations into this thread, but please Berzerker (which is a fitting name for you) keep the thread to what its author had intended...don't try and craft it into something it's not in a feeble attempt to display your lack-luster debating skills. I'll see you all tomorrow as happy hour is calling.
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I haven't dodged addressing anything...you've got things so screwed up and twisted in your head that what you're addressing isn't the issue.
I started this thread bc i find it unreal that someone could state that the terrorist couldn't possibly have done 911. Next thing i know, youre on here saying i'm not for a questioning of government. Only after i felt this dude was bashing the US is when i, admittedly, said to basically get out and move back to Canada.
You've somehow woven your crazy ghostly accusations into this thread, but please Berzerker (which is a fitting name for you) keep the thread to what its author had intended...don't try and craft it into something it's not in a feeble attempt to display your lack-luster debating skills. I'll see you all tomorrow as happy hour is calling.
I call it like I see it and I stand by what I've stated in relation to what you've posted... Now it's just up to others who read through this thread to side where they want... enjoy ;)
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coletrain,
Is it unpatriotic to question if JFK was killed by more than one shooter?
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Listen guys,
i've read enough lit related to both sides of the equation and have drawn my conclusions as you can read. I just find it INCREDIBLY unintelligent and actually, unbelievable to NOT think 911 was the result of terrorists. It's a slap in the face to the families of the men and women who died there.
Truth.
Good luck discussing this issue. I quit long ago. The CT nuts lack common sense IMO.
Are you a John Coltrane fan?
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Good luck discussing this issue. I quit long ago. The CT nuts lack common sense IMO.
I am not a CT by any means. I'm voting for Rudy or Romney or McCain or whoever else limps out of the nomination. However, I live in NYC and work in NYC, and while we all know Arabs took over those planes and hit the buildings, there is more to it.
I'm new to this board and don't want to disrespect a mod and get banned - I really like this place and I've been warned on the gossip board for going overboard - but Beach Bum, I would encourage you to at least ask yourself why there were giant pools of molten steel under building #7 at the complex. There was this molten steel under 1 and 2, which was explained by a remote possibility of jet fuel still being present (even though it should have all burned up in a few minutes).
But under building #7, which supposedly fell from regular fires - this is impossible. I voted for GWB twice, and probably would vote for him again if I could, and I certainly don't blame him in any way for 911. But molten steel had no business being under #7, and it was there for weeks.
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I am not a CT by any means. I'm voting for Rudy or Romney or McCain or whoever else limps out of the nomination. However, I live in NYC and work in NYC, and while we all know Arabs took over those planes and hit the buildings, there is more to it.
I'm new to this board and don't want to disrespect a mod and get banned - I really like this place and I've been warned on the gossip board for going overboard - but Beach Bum, I would encourage you to at least ask yourself why there were giant pools of molten steel under building #7 at the complex. There was this molten steel under 1 and 2, which was explained by a remote possibility of jet fuel still being present (even though it should have all burned up in a few minutes).
But under building #7, which supposedly fell from regular fires - this is impossible. I voted for GWB twice, and probably would vote for him again if I could, and I certainly don't blame him in any way for 911. But molten steel had no business being under #7, and it was there for weeks.
welcome aboard. you can flame the mods here witohut worry, champ!!!
as for WTC7, it will be remembered by history as the somking gun of the day. They reported it fell, before it fell. There was a 20 second demolition count to a building falling when the official report said there was no demolition. FBI, NYPD, NYFD, EMTs, and many other officials have come fwd and spoke of bomb blasts in the building. Additionally, the official report was supposed to come out 3 years ago, and never has, particularly because there is no plausible explanation for why the building fell.
There is no logical explanation for this collapse:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+new&total=622&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
Other than a planned, controlled demolition. Nothing else. 500 feet of ubilding becomes 20 feet of molten steel, and tons of powderized concrete, in 7 seconds. It's completely impossible without explosives.
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coletrain,
Is it unpatriotic to question if JFK was killed by more than one shooter?
240 you're missing my beef....it wasn't that i think the questioning of the government is wrong. it is vital to a functioning democracy and i'm all for it. I just found it unexcusable to suggest that terrorists COULDN"T have accomplished 911. Thats all.
and I'm not a john coltrain fan....the name is from the Dukes of Hazzard.. :)
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I just found it unexcusable to suggest that terrorists COULDN"T have accomplished 911.
Okay.
On 911, there were two fighter jets moving at 1875 mph, on their way to DC< which air controllers determined was the likely target of 77, a full 48 minutes before it hit. They were minutes away, at that speed.
NORAD (who later was caught lying bigtime about their reaction times) inexplicably re-routed the planes to circle at 400 mph over the Atlantic. They ran laps until the plane hit the pentagon. Then they came back and flew by the crime scene.
The terrorists couldn't have done this.
On 9/11, Building #7 was demolished with a 20-second countdown. THe owner, larry silverstein, claimed it didn't happen and collected 500 mil in insurance. Terrorists didn't do this either.
Stock traders placed a huge number of 'put' options on those 2 airlines' stock to crash the next day, then never collected these millions due to market being closed and things just too 'hot' as people discovered this discrepency. None of these stocks were bought by arabs. Terrrorists didn't buy stock to profit on 911. someone else did.
I'll stop there. I never denied 19 guys didn't hijack planes. Howevr, there is evidence that white guys in ties both profited from, and allowed the events of 911 to happen. Hell, Germany, Israel warned us 6 weeks ahead of time. Gave us the date, targets, and 5 of the hijackers names. Gave the intel to bush himself. We didn't look into it. You can blame incompetence, but the FBI came to TX on Aug 6 in the middle of the night with the same memo. Condi admitted she NEVER READ it. Youre telling me the head of the FBI takes a red-eye, arrives in TX with lights blaring in middle of night with a memo and hands it to you, and you dont read it? Hmmmm.
THere are more like this, but I'll stop there. If you care, youll research it. If not, so be it.
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yeah, i read all this and can't argue....but what about the calls made to loved ones by people aboard the hijacked planes, stating what the situation was.....that the planes were hijacked by middle easterners?
everyones is entitled to their opinion...but come on...
seriously, do you have your own explaination of how things went down? Who was involved? I'm being serious and not condescending. I just wanna know what you think REALLY happened if terrorists didn't do 911
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AND i seriously doubt a bunch of stocktraders knew prior about 911 with their trades...
if a "bunch" of stock holders new this, one wouldve leaked.
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AND i seriously doubt a bunch of stocktraders knew prior about 911 with their trades...
if a "bunch" of stock holders new this, one wouldve leaked.
lol... now that's funny...
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yeah, i read all this and can't argue....but what about the calls made to loved ones by people aboard the hijacked planes, stating what the situation was.....that the planes were hijacked by middle easterners?
everyones is entitled to their opinion...but come on...
seriously, do you have your own explaination of how things went down? Who was involved? I'm being serious and not condescending. I just wanna know what you think REALLY happened if terrorists didn't do 911
You're excluding the possibility that 19 hijackers worked with others.
The top general in pakistan wired 100k to Atta (lead hijacker), 4 days before 9/11.
THe same man had breakfast with Goss (cia chief) and one of the 911 commissioners on the MORNING of 911.
there were 19 hijackers, but it looks like they worked with others.
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and I'm not a john coltrain fan....the name is from the Dukes of Hazzard.. :)
Ah so. :) You should listen. He's terrific. In fact, I had Coltrane for Lovers in my office CD player last week. Simply beautiful music.
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I am not a CT by any means. I'm voting for Rudy or Romney or McCain or whoever else limps out of the nomination. However, I live in NYC and work in NYC, and while we all know Arabs took over those planes and hit the buildings, there is more to it.
I'm new to this board and don't want to disrespect a mod and get banned - I really like this place and I've been warned on the gossip board for going overboard - but Beach Bum, I would encourage you to at least ask yourself why there were giant pools of molten steel under building #7 at the complex. There was this molten steel under 1 and 2, which was explained by a remote possibility of jet fuel still being present (even though it should have all burned up in a few minutes).
But under building #7, which supposedly fell from regular fires - this is impossible. I voted for GWB twice, and probably would vote for him again if I could, and I certainly don't blame him in any way for 911. But molten steel had no business being under #7, and it was there for weeks.
Dude you will never get banned here for flaming anyone. :) You really have to do something crazy like threaten to kill the president or be a twisted sister like the woman currently serving a 30 day (or more) suspension.
But re this CT nonsense, I don't need to ask myself any questions, because the CT theory makes no sense. I don't waste my time worrying about that kind of stuff. Frankly, I think it's bizarre. Last year I let one of my softball teammates bend my ear for an hour. You cannot reason with people who believe in this crap.
That said, I do find it entertaining sometimes.