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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: EL Mariachi on November 03, 2007, 07:45:38 PM
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"Cycling is for cyclists... I stay on!" - Don Ross
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"Cycling is for cyclists... I stay on!" - Don Ross - deceaced!
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Ask Croatch how much of his gains that he kept. Also while you're at it, ask him to see a picture taken before he ever did juice.
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Ask Croatch how much of his gains that he kept. Also while you're at it, ask him to see a picture taken before he ever did juice.
Ha ha yeah your getting him pissed, i know how he looked before, and judging at his size on latest outburst on youtube about sarcasm i say he kept all his gains, but it could be that he is very motivated for lifting and shit, that he made new gains.
Ive just heard stories that you lose almost all your gains.
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About 33,33 %, if you do it right.
Sometimes it's a bit more then 33,34 %, only with the genetically gifted.
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Depends what you take IMO - when I tool d-bol and then came off I lost the lot. However, when I went on to deca and test I kept a fair bit and my strength stayed the same. But everyone's different.
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guys who juice don't come off for too long for a reason. i've seen guys lose what seemed all the gains.
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a lot of bodybuilding physiques only exist because of drug gains.
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Ha ha yeah your getting him pissed, i know how he looked before, and judging at his size on latest outburst on youtube about sarcasm i say he kept all his gains, but it could be that he is very motivated for lifting and shit, that he made new gains.
Ive just heard stories that you lose almost all your gains.
I kept none of my gains from 14 years ago. This board makes me laugh. ;) I put on all my current size without the use of drugs. 55lbs lean mass, in your face. No wonder why I'm never impressed with some assclown putting on 20lbs of bloat weight with a cycle, all jokers to me.
The funny thing is, so few can do much without drugs. It's a sad fact in bodybuilding. If you've put on 20lbs of muscle without drugs, I congratulate you.
I will clarify this one last time. The Croatch Timeline, coming soon. Evolution.
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u kept none of your gains from gear,,, but you had stretched your body to a new level, making it easier to get somwhere near to what you were
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if you cycle right away or too much...well, just ask Craig Titus :-\
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ive seen a guy that started at 160, that looked lik nothing- went on test an deca, and went up to 190...came off nd still weighed 185 ish... to i credit, he followed a clean diet,, so coming off wasnt so dramatic...
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Ask Croatch how much of his gains that he kept. Also while you're at it, ask him to see a picture taken before he ever did juice.
Croatch's Idea Of Natural is 500mg Test week...So he's in essence natural..
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I was 144 lbs when I went on. At my highest weight I was 219 lbs, but normally stay around 195. I've been off for 6 months and I'm 191 lbs. Basically, if I were to stay off forever (it's a possibility at this point) I don't think I'd drop under 180, unless in contest condition (170ish).
I guess the key for me was dropping orals and only doing good quality, simple cycles with proper HPT.
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guys who juice don't come off for too long for a reason. i've seen guys lose what seemed all the gains.
I've seen guys keep all the gains as well and be better off leaner and bigger too but they were no where near they natural potential ;)
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you lose everything. Only going natural will keep your gains.
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you lose everything. Only going natural will keep your gains.
thats the best choise at the end.
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You loose most of it.
Proper PCT slows down losses but in the end you end up back at square one.
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so some think you keep most of it, some think you lose most of it :-\
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Lets put it this way......small doses, long term = lasting gains with minimum loss.
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I kept none of my gains from 14 years ago. This board makes me laugh. ;) I put on all my current size without the use of drugs. 55lbs lean mass, in your face. No wonder why I'm never impressed with some assclown putting on 20lbs of bloat weight with a cycle, all jokers to me.
The funny thing is, so few can do much without drugs. It's a sad fact in bodybuilding. If you've put on 20lbs of muscle without drugs, I congratulate you.
I will clarify this one last time. The Croatch Timeline, coming soon. Evolution.
Your prior steroid use, gave your body a standard...in regards to muscle memory. In other words, without your prior steroid use, your body would not look the way it does today. So, KUDOS to Croatch for using steroids 14 years ago....his body's muscle memory is now set to the juiced up time period....and he claims all natural ;D....u are truly an inspiration....
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Lets put it this way......small doses, long term = lasting gains with minimum loss.
I would agree with that.
A lot of people simply jack up the dose thinking it's going to stay in their bodies longer once they come off - couldn't be further from the truth.
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Your prior steroid use, gave your body a standard...in regards to muscle memory. In other words, without your prior steroid use, your body would not look the way it does today. So, KUDOS to Croatch for using steroids 14 years ago....his body's muscle memory is now set to the juiced up time period....and he claims all natural ;D....u are truly an inspiration....
You'll get used to Croatch and his "Natural Brigade." He comes and goes, and every time it's him promoting himself being natural, his dumb wank video for EAS, or how he hates fake tits. Then he leaves, and returns a bit later to start all over again.
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good point
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You'll get used to Croatch and his "Natural Brigade." He comes and goes, and every time it's him promoting himself being natural, his dumb wank video for EAS, or how he hates fake tits. Then he leaves, and returns a bit later to start all over again.
Holy shit, I almost fell off my chair, I laughed so hard at that one. ;D
Your prior steroid use, gave your body a standard...in regards to muscle memory. In other words, without your prior steroid use, your body would not look the way it does today. So, KUDOS to Croatch for using steroids 14 years ago....his body's muscle memory is now set to the juiced up time period....and he claims all natural ....u are truly an inspiration....
Tell yourself what you gotta chief. You're the scientist. ::)
Actually, what I took was a "time-released dbol". You take it for a few weeks, then really start to see the gains 4215 days after the fact. Oh, and the test I took was genetically engineered by my doctor to coincide with my DNA. It actually changed my genetics entirely, so no matter what I do these days, I remain jacked from just one cycle when I was 18. The shit was that awesome, but they don't make it anymore. :-*
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Didn't you say you only took D-Bol? Now you admit to test use. You're a fag.
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I kept none of my gains from 14 years ago. This board makes me laugh. ;) I put on all my current size without the use of drugs. 55lbs lean mass, in your face. No wonder why I'm never impressed with some assclown putting on 20lbs of bloat weight with a cycle, all jokers to me.
The funny thing is, so few can do much without drugs. It's a sad fact in bodybuilding. If you've put on 20lbs of muscle without drugs, I congratulate you.
I will clarify this one last time. The Croatch Timeline, coming soon. Evolution.
I'm looking up to you. So little genetics to start with and yet you manage to attain what's considered "normal" size at any local gym.
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I'm looking up to you. So little genetics to start with and yet you manage to attain what's considered "normal" size at any local gym.
Hahahaha...and this after only what..20 years of training ?..
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Hahahaha...and this after only what..20 years of training ?..
...add to that, the unaccounted amount of 1 gallon jugs carried around the gym(s), many palettes of nizoral, countless number of no progress meltdowns leading to small fists holes at the current local gym lockers, all acccompained by many corner laughes and shaking heads + girl friends holding the good old "handy cam of progress" ::)
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Didn't you say you only took D-Bol? Now you admit to test use. You're a fag.
I don't recall saying that because it's not true.
I'm looking up to you. So little genetics to start with and yet you manage to attain what's considered "normal" size at any local gym.
I'd say regular genetics, above average size and leaness, more dedication than most...for a longer period of time.
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Your prior steroid use, gave your body a standard...in regards to muscle memory. In other words, without your prior steroid use, your body would not look the way it does today. So, KUDOS to Croatch for using steroids 14 years ago....his body's muscle memory is now set to the juiced up time period....and he claims all natural ;D....u are truly an inspiration....
This is actually a very good point and I am not sure why more of you dont think doing 2 to 3 years of gear is the way to go. It seems everyone here is either 100% roids or for being 100 natural...Why is there no gray area with you guys?
A person would hardly do any damage to their body cycling for a few years sort of 'reset' their genetic potential and be bigger in the end when you are off gear.
No I do not have the science for this but just look around it seems to work out that way.
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So far about all of it, maybe 4/5 lbs of water lost. Has been 5 weeks since last shot.
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Depends on the individual, i finished my last course in March and currently bench just 10lbs less that i did then
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I don't recall saying that because it's not true.I'd say regular genetics, above average size and leaness, more dedication than most...for a longer period of time.
to be a good liar you need to have a good memory bud. ;)