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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: GetItOnNY on November 08, 2007, 03:19:39 PM
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There is a form of Ephedra that is legal. This Ephedra from the same plant, but instead of being from the root or the stem it is from the leaf.The leaf does not contain the Illegal Alkaloids that the stem and root of the Ephedra plant contain. So by law its considered legal.
The leaves with give you the same effect as Ephedra, it will just be about 15-30 % less as strong as the old version of Ephedra.The strength will vary by the manufacture, and how good of raw material they buy.
The good news is the Ephedra leaves, give you the same fat loss, and almost the same energy as the original Ephedra, without the jitters.Plus in my research the Ephedra leaves, give you energy longer, and more consistant then before. Best of all you dont get the "wired" then the "crash "feeling when the ephedra wears off. The bottom line is fat loss products come a dime a dozen, but none of them work as well as ECA,Ephedra Caffiene and Asprin.With the discovery of Ephedra leaves being legal, you can now have the old ECA stack again. So you can now throw away your overpriced bottle of HYdroxycut Hardcore, Atro-Phex, Lipo 6 ,and Cytolean, because they are all garbage.They cost no more then $5 to make, and the only thing they have going for them is marketing.
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You can still order ECA stack of the internet....
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It's called Broankaid.
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do you recommend ephedra for natties, New York?
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Luckily pure ephedrine is just as legal and easy to get as caffeine pills in Canada :P Almost every protein and supplement store carries them here.
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It's called Broankaid.
Bronkaid works great too.
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Bronkaid works great too.
hahahaha.
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Luckily pure ephedrine is just as legal and easy to get as caffeine pills in Canada :P Almost every protein and supplement store carries them here.
Thanks to the crooked little paki and asian stores! :)
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Go for it. I know alot of stores did sell Ephedra on the internet, but alot of stores such as GNC, Vitamin Shop, and alot of other stores were afraid to carry Ephedra. 1) because of the FDA 2) Lawsuits, from people that would abuse Ephedra, or were not fit health wise to take Ephedra ( people who have high blood pressure, arrhythmia, heart problems, etc etc)
Squadfather It would depend on the natural organization.Most natural organizations would not let there athletes use Ephedra.I personally think Ephedra should be considered natural because it is from a natural plant. It has been around for over 2000 years, and its very safe if it is not abused.
Yes you can make Meth out of it, but can also make GHB out of a solvent called Gamabutlactone, which is made for drilling.Just like you can use Poppy seeds on bread, or you can make Heroine out of them.There is use, then there is abuse.Ephedra is a awesome fat burner and bronchiolar dilator, if it is used properly.
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Go for it. I know alot of stores did sell Ephedra on the internet, but alot of stores such as GNC, Vitamin Shop, and alot of other stores were afraid to carry Ephedra. 1) because of the FDA 2) Lawsuits, from people that would abuse Ephedra, or were not fit health wise to take Ephedra ( people who have high blood pressure, arrhythmia, heart problems, etc etc)
Squadfather It would depend on the natural organization.Most natural organizations would not let there athletes use Ephedra.I personally think Ephedra should be considered natural because it is from a natural plant. It has been around for over 2000 years, and its very safe if it is not abused.
Yes you can make Meth out of it, but can also make GHB out of a solvent called Gamabutlactone, which is made for drilling.Just like you can use Poppy seeds on bread, or you can make Heroine out of them.There is use, then there is abuse.Ephedra is a awesome fat burner and bronchiolar dilator, if it is used properly.
no i don't mean for legal reasons, i mean because ephedra seems to cut appetite and cause sleep problems for a lot of people, that seems counterproductive to putting on mass.
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Thanks to the crooked little paki and asian stores! :)
lol no seriously every supplement store owned by white or whatever coloured people carries it. It's as easy to buy ephedrine here as it is whey protein.
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The only time people have a problem sleeping when they take Ephedra, is when they take it to late in the day, or mix it with caffiene.I know alot of people who will take Ephedra, then drink coffee, or 3 -4 diets cokes, and wonder why they feel jittery. People need to just take Ephedra without other stimulants, or dont take it at all. Alot of the times people lose track of how much caffiene they take during they day and wonder why they cannot sleep.If your a natty, and take just 25mg of Ephedra without any other stimulants, and you take it no later then 3 pm you willl have a great workout, and a good night rest.The problems is Americans of obsessive & compulsive, and can just take 1 pill they have to take 3 pills, then wash it down with a triple frapachinio.Then wonder why they are nervous, and cant sleep. lol.
When it comes to supplements like everything else " all things in moderation"
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There are analog rules on banned substances.
If it is not banned, there is no close enough analog to consider it to have the same effects.
I'm sure the people putting that out are pumped, but if it isn't an analog, it won't have the effects. I'd be interested to see the chemical structure of that...
I would bet it is like putting phenylethylamine in something and claiming it to be amphetamine...but legal.
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The only time people have a problem sleeping when they take Ephedra, is when they take it to late in the day, or mix it with caffiene.I know alot of people who will take Ephedra, then drink coffee, or 3 -4 diets cokes, and wonder why they feel jittery. People need to just take Ephedra without other stimulants, or dont take it at all. Alot of the times people lose track of how much caffiene they take during they day and wonder why they cannot sleep.If your a natty, and take just 25mg of Ephedra without any other stimulants, and you take it no later then 3 pm you willl have a great workout, and a good night rest.The problems is Americans of obsessive & compulsive, and can just take 1 pill they have to take 3 pills, then wash it down with a triple frapachinio.Then wonder why they are nervous, and cant sleep. lol.
When it comes to supplements like everything else " all things in moderation"
You are saying nattie's can use only 25mg of Ephedra, without the caffeine and aspirin, and experience results?
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Pure Majestic. Its really just the leave of the Ephedra, plant, its not a scam, and its works quite well.I have tried, and I like it better then Ephedra.It has a smoother up, and a smoother down then EPhedra. Plus it has a longer lasting effect when it comes to energy.I haven't seen the molecular breakdown but I am sure its quite similar to Ephedra, seeing it comes from the same plant.
Given that theory, its pretty much the same species.
Temeper, Yes a natty could get some good results from just 25 mg of Ephedra, but if you did combine it with Aspirin and Caffeine of course it would work alot better. Most products on the market that have the new Ephedra Leave in it, including ours, has Aspirin, and Caffeine.So I was going on the 25 mg that would be used on a product, so to speak.If Ephedra is real you dont need more then 25 mg, trust me, you dont want to over stimulate your heart or wear out your adrenal glands god bless .....John
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Pure Majestic. Its really just the leave of the Ephedra, plant, its not a scam, and its works quite well.I have tried, and I like it better then Ephedra.It has a smoother up, and a smoother down then EPhedra. Plus it has a longer lasting effect when it comes to energy.I haven't seen the molecular breakdown but I am sure its quite similar to Ephedra, seeing it comes from the same plant.
Given that theory, its pretty much the same species.
Temeper, Yes a natty could get some good results from just 25 mg of Ephedra, but if you did combine it with Aspirin and Caffeine of course it would work alot better. Most products on the market that have the new Ephedra Leave in it, including ours, has Aspirin, and Caffeine.So I was going on the 25 mg that would be used on a product, so to speak.If Ephedra is real you dont need more then 25 mg, trust me, you dont want to over stimulate your heart or wear out your adrenal glands god bless .....John
So even 25mg Ephedra + 200mg Caffeine + 1 baby aspirin ONCE a day is beneficial for fat loss? Interesting, esp for someone like me who can't handle stims.
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There is a form of Ephedra that is legal. This Ephedra from the same plant, but instead of being from the root or the stem it is from the leaf.The leaf does not contain the Illegal Alkaloids that the stem and root of the Ephedra plant contain. So by law its considered legal.
The leaves with give you the same effect as Ephedra, it will just be about 15-30 % less as strong as the old version of Ephedra.The strength will vary by the manufacture, and how good of raw material they buy.
The good news is the Ephedra leaves, give you the same fat loss, and almost the same energy as the original Ephedra, without the jitters.Plus in my research the Ephedra leaves, give you energy longer, and more consistant then before. Best of all you dont get the "wired" then the "crash "feeling when the ephedra wears off. The bottom line is fat loss products come a dime a dozen, but none of them work as well as ECA,Ephedra Caffiene and Asprin.With the discovery of Ephedra leaves being legal, you can now have the old ECA stack again. So you can now throw away your overpriced bottle of HYdroxycut Hardcore, Atro-Phex, Lipo 6 ,and Cytolean, because they are all garbage.They cost no more then $5 to make, and the only thing they have going for them is marketing.
Sounds like bullshit to me. Doesn't contain ephedrine alkaloids yet works like ephedrine? Either it contains ephedrine, and the current laws apply, or not. Until you can show what the active constituents are don't make claims.
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There are analog rules on banned substances.
If it is not banned, there is no close enough analog to consider it to have the same effects.
I'm sure the people putting that out are pumped, but if it isn't an analog, it won't have the
Exactly. Can you believe this guy claims to be some type of chemist?
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Sounds like bullshit to me. Doesn't contain ephedrine alkaloids yet works like ephedrine? Either it contains ephedrine, and the current laws apply, or not. Until you can show what the active constituents are don't make claims.
bingo.
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So even 25mg Ephedra + 200mg Caffeine + 1 baby aspirin ONCE a day is beneficial for fat loss? Interesting, esp for someone like me who can't handle stims.
You could try splitting up the dosages more. Say build up to 4x 12.5mg Eph/100mg caffeine per day. Gives a more level and mild boost.
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You could try splitting up the dosages more. Say build up to 4x 12.5mg Eph/100mg caffeine per day. Gives a more level and mild boost.
Do you believe Bronkaid really is a suitable product?
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Do you believe Bronkaid really is a suitable product?
I haven't used it but if it's ephedrine why wouldn't it be?
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Pure Majestic. Its really just the leave of the Ephedra, plant, its not a scam, and its works quite well.I have tried, and I like it better then Ephedra.It has a smoother up, and a smoother down then EPhedra. Plus it has a longer lasting effect when it comes to energy.I haven't seen the molecular breakdown but I am sure its quite similar to Ephedra, seeing it comes from the same plant.
Given that theory, its pretty much the same species.
Ephedra Viridis, which I'm assuming this version is, is nothing new.
It contains no stimulant property.
It is allowed because that form of the ephedra genus (there are MANY forms...) doesn't contain any appreciable amount of ephedrine alkaloids.
Ephedrine is the beta 2 agonist that has the sympathomimetic amine structure.
The only reason the genus Ephedra was of any benefit is because many ephedra species contain many of the ephedrine alkaloids.
Ephedra has no relation to the chemical structure of amphetamine. Ephedrine does.
The reason ephedra was used as a stimulant was because it had a higher amount of the active alkaloid ephedrine, and was a naturally occuring plant. At the time, this made it perfectly legal to produce as a nutritional supplement.
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i can't see how anyone who is serious about bodybuilding and putting on size would take speed, mild or not.
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what is the standard dose for eca?
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Van , Majestic? have either one of you ever tried using 25mg of Ephedra leave? Unless you have you have no reason to comment. I on the other hand have been working with it for a couple of months now, and I found it works quite well. For you fellas who are willing to learn, and ignore the so called know-it-alls I found this ratio worked the best for me.I used 25mg of Ephedra Leave, 300 mg of Caffeine, and 150mg of Aspirin. If you want to give it a really nice kick, you could add 75mg of Methyl Synephrine .If you want to give your body a warm sensation and elevate your mood a little bit add about 10mg of ginger.There you have it, a very easy, and simple fat burner, that will work better then Hydroxycut HardCore, Atra- Phex, or even Lipo 6.at about 1/3 of the price.
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After consulting with Getbig's resident experts, gh15 and Blockhead, I began using the ECA stack and have noticed only immediate benefits and no detriments.
Around 10am I take (1) Bronkaid, (1) 200mg caffeine tab, and (1) aspirin. Within 20 minutes, I'm amped and the feeling lasts for about 3-5 hours, depending on my food intake. If I take it before going to the gym, I have more energy and better workouts. Otherwise, I just feel a heightened sense of mood and concentration. I have a bit of ADD and the ECA really helps me focus (As some of you know, Ritalin is given to hyperactive children even though it is a stimulant).
One time I decided to take a second stack on a long day and consumed it around 8pm. I could not fall asleep until close to 5 am.
The facts bear out the following for me:
1. I've lost 25 lbs of fat in 6 months.
2. I can eat shit and keep the weight off much easier.
3. If I do cardio, I burn fat probably twice as fast.
4. Bronkaid costs about $5 for 30 tabs.
5. Aspirin costs $2 for 500 tabs.
6. Caffeine costs $6 for 200 tabs.
7. Your monthly cost for an ECA stack is about six bucks.
8. Improved strength/energy for workouts.
9. Enjoy the 'amped' feeling.
10. Increased concentration.
If you avoid taking the stack after 2pm, you should be fine. Good luck!
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After consulting with Getbig's resident experts, gh15 and Blockhead, I began using the ECA stack and have noticed only immediate benefits and no detriments.
Around 10am I take (1) Bronkaid, (1) 200mg caffeine tab, and (1) aspirin. Within 20 minutes, I'm amped and the feeling lasts for about 3-5 hours, depending on my food intake. If I take it before going to the gym, I have more energy and better workouts. Otherwise, I just feel a heightened sense of mood and concentration. I have a bit of ADD and the ECA really helps me focus (As some of you know, Ritalin is given to hyperactive children even though it is a stimulant).
One time I decided to take a second stack on a long day and consumed it around 8pm. I could not fall asleep until close to 5 am.
The facts bear out the following for me:
1. I've lost 25 lbs of fat in 6 months.
2. I can eat shit and keep the weight off much easier.
3. If I do cardio, I burn fat probably twice as fast.
4. Bronkaid costs about $5 for 30 tabs.
5. Aspirin costs $2 for 500 tabs.
6. Caffeine costs $6 for 200 tabs.
7. Your monthly cost for an ECA stack is about six bucks.
8. Improved strength/energy for workouts.
9. Enjoy the 'amped' feeling.
10. Increased concentration.
If you avoid taking the stack after 2pm, you should be fine. Good luck!
And you only take it once a day?
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And you only take it once a day?
Yes. Once a day is plenty. Many years ago, I tried Clenbuterol and it made me all shaky and jittery all day with a headache, racing heart and Parkinson fingers. Terrible stuff and that was 1-2 pills/day. I sold my stash to a National contender and asked him how many he was taking: He said 10/day.
BTW, caffeine is good for headaches/migraines if you tend to get them. gh15 and blockhead both prescribe 1 serving of ECA/day.
The only other thing I take is Super Colon Cleanser (200 caps for $9 at trader joes). 3-4 caps every night before sleep. Wake up in the morning and within 1 hour have to drop 2 full-size loads (3-4 if binged night before). Good for regularity and also carrying around a packed colon all day is a lousy feeling.
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Yes. Once a day is plenty. Many years ago, I tried Clenbuterol and it made me all shaky and jittery all day with a headache, racing heart and Parkinson fingers. Terrible stuff and that was 1-2 pills/day. I sold my stash to a National contender and asked him how many he was taking: He said 10/day.
BTW, caffeine is good for headaches/migraines if you tend to get them. gh15 and blockhead both prescribe 1 serving of ECA/day.
The only other thing I take is Super Colon Cleanser (200 caps for $9 at trader joes). 3-4 caps every night before sleep. Wake up in the morning and within 1 hour have to drop 2 full-size loads (3-4 if binged night before). Good for regularity and also carrying around a packed colon all day is a lousy feeling.
Hmmmmm
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Vasapro, viverine and asprine work great.
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I take 100 mgs of ephedra a day, drink two redlines a day, and sleep like a baby. I should mention I work 10 to 12 hrs everyday.
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Bronkaid works great too.
That's what our boy/girl? GH15 says!!!!
Lisa
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So, is it suitable for naturals or its going limit any possible gains? im talking for 25mgs of bronkaid and a cup of coffee....
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http://www.dnevitamins.com/bolt_ephedrine.asp (http://www.dnevitamins.com/bolt_ephedrine.asp)
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BTW, caffeine is good for headaches/migraines if you tend to get them. gh15 and blockhead both prescribe 1 serving of ECA/day.
That's because you are on a caffiene withdrawl and you get the headache. I used to get these all the time when I drank coffee and soda more; the only thing that works is taking in more caffiene.
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i can't see how anyone who is serious about bodybuilding and putting on size would take speed, mild or not.
You're actually on base here SF. Everytime I took ECA, I lost muscle as fast as fat. It's very catabolic. ALso don't be fooled by marketing gimmicks, if the product does not contain EPHEDRA ALKALOIDS it is garbage and will nothing for you.
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First of all, the Ephedra, leave is legal and gives you alot of energy without thne jitters. Secondly yes if you take to much ephedra, is with wire you, to the point that you will lose your appetite, and therefore lose muscle. The key word is use, not abuse.If you use Ephedra, or ECA in moderation it will give you consistant energy to make it through grueliing work outs after working 8-12 hours everyday.
I dont know about you, but sometimes my days are long, and I sometimes need a little kick to give make it though and intense workout. If you are successful, sometimes it takes alot out of you time and energy wise. After working sometimes 12 hours, I need we all need a boost. Ephedra helps endurance, stamina, mental focus, and strength.
I dont use Ephedra more then usually 1-2 times a day, and on the week ends, I dont use it at all.I only take what I need, somtimes I take 10 mg, or if I am dragging a little bit I will take 25 mg.
I been training 22 years, and trust me Ephedra, is a great supplement to use, if you use it correctly.
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First of all, the Ephedra, leave is legal and gives you alot of energy without thne jitters.
Stop the bullshit: does this product contain ephedrine or not? If not, what causes the energy increase?