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Tell your friend if you saw his or her spouse out with another person holding hands, kissing and intimately embracing one another?
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I may confront the apparently adulterous spouse first though and give them the option to explain themselves and also to tell my friend first, but yes, I more than likely would.
Although I had a friend who dated a guy for years that cheated on her repeatedly and she always stayed w/him so I eventually stopped telling her. :-\
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I'd take a picture with my car phone, walk up and show them and then say..."do you want to tell them, or shall I?" >:(
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Tell your friend if you saw his or her spouse out with another person holding hands, kissing and intimately embracing one another?
let's put it this way....
if I did'nt there's no way in hell I'd consider myself a friend
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It would greatly depend on how close I was to my friend, but my generic answer is no, I would not say anything. :-[
As a general rule, I think someone else’s marriage should succeed or fail without my intervention. No one knows what goes on in a relationship except the two people involved, and I have no way of knowing what the status of their union is . . . for all I know, they could be swingers or have an open relationship. Is that any of my business? No.
If I was especially close to my friend, I might maneuver to let the spouse see me and make eye contact with me while with the lover so that s/he knows that I have seen them; I might walk past their table in a restaurant, or deliberately cross their path in a public venue.
The one thing that might cause me to speak up is if I previously had a conversation with my friend in which s/he specifically told me that s/he would want a friend to tell them if we saw the spouse cheating in public.
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I would tell them. I would be pretty pissed if a friend of mine knew and didn't tell me. Or I would tell the cheater and give them the opportunity to tell them.
When you cheat you accept the risk you might get caught, so I see nothing wrong with blowing them in. :)
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It would greatly depend on how close I was to my friend, but my generic answer is no, I would not say anything. :-[
As a general rule, I think someone else’s marriage should succeed or fail without my intervention. No one knows what goes on in a relationship except the two people involved, and I have no way of knowing what the status of their union is . . . for all I know, they could be swingers or have an open relationship. Is that any of my business? No.
If I was especially close to my friend, I might maneuver to let the spouse see me and make eye contact with me while with the lover so that s/he knows that I have seen them; I might walk past their table in a restaurant, or deliberately cross their path in a public venue.
The one thing that might cause me to speak up is if I previously had a conversation with my friend in which s/he specifically told me that s/he would want a friend to tell them if we saw the spouse cheating in public.
Bay, how would you feel if you were the one being deceived and not told?
An old friend of mine saw my ex-husband at a Celtics game with with his brother and two other women. His brother had just recently split from his wife. It was visually obvious that women were dates of my then husband and his brother as seen by my friend. She didn't tell me until me and my ex split up (he left for a 20 year old...who in the end left him right after we split - gotta love that ;D). I asked her why she didn't tell me...she said she didn't feel it was her place. Can you imagine hearing that?? It wasn't her place to tell her friend that her husband was cheating on her?? How could you look in the eyes of a friend and know they are being deceived by the one they love? Not to mention possibly let the cheater infect their friend with some potential disease? Not telling (IMO) is ignorant and possibly dangerous.
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Tell your friend if you saw his or her spouse out with another person holding hands, kissing and intimately embracing one another?
I would, but I would mak sure I had photo proof just incase.
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Bay, how would you feel if you were the one being deceived and not told?
An old friend of mine saw my ex-husband at a Celtics game with with his brother and two other women. His brother had just recently split from his wife. It was visually obvious that women were dates of my then husband and his brother as seen by my friend. She didn't tell me until me and my ex split up (he left for a 20 year old...who in the end left him right after we split - gotta love that ;D). I asked her why she didn't tell me...she said she didn't feel it was her place. Can you imagine hearing that?? It wasn't her place to tell her friend that her husband was cheating on her?? How could you look in the eyes of a friend and know they are being deceived by the one they love? Not to mention possibly let the cheater infect their friend with some potential disease? Not telling (IMO) is ignorant and possibly dangerous.
Obviously, I would not be happy if I were the one being deceived and not told, but the issue is between my partner and me--not between my friend and me.
I certainly understand why you are upset, but I must agree with your friend. If she feels it was not her place to say something then it was indeed not her place. These are individual judgment calls. What your friend may have been saying is that she didn’t feel as close to you as you did to her. Accordingly, her decision to effectively mind her own business was justified. She might have made a different decision with a different friend.
As I said previously, whether or not I would speak up would depend greatly on how close I felt to my friend.
In addition, things are not always what they seem. Just because you see two people together on what looks like a date—even if they hold hands and kiss--does not necessarily mean what you think it means. It’s not your friend’s job to play detective or otherwise “figure out” what is going on because at the end of the day it is not her business.
The person who betrayed you (and the only one you should have issues with) is your ex—not your friend and not the person your ex was having the affair with. Your ex put your friend in the awkward position. Don’t punish your friend for that. :-[
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Obviously, I would not be happy if I were the one being deceived and not told, but the issue is between my partner and me--not between my friend and me.
once the cheater is out in public with his affair, then it is no longer between the couple. Why should you not be able to mention you saw so and so with some other so and so? It is conversation and the incident was in public so you are not held to any confidentiality agreement.
I would refuse to be a part of their deception and be expected to keep the lie. Once they made it my business (by being out in public) then tough shit. :)
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I never said the friend couldn’t mention that she saw so and so together. I’m simply saying that it is her decision and that I would not fault her either way. She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
If she tells, some “friends” would turn around and blame her (for among other things, gossiping)—this doesn’t have to make sense. It is an emotional reaction (displaced anger) and it wouldn’t be the first time that it has happened. The friend who thought she was helping could find herself rejected, scapegoated, and the friendship permanently dissolved.
If she doesn’t tell, then people condemn her for not speaking up and potentially endangering her friend (you could have saved her from an STD, etc.)
As I said, the ex put her in an awkward situation. Blame your ex for that—not your friend.
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I agree. Why should everyone else know but the person who is being deceived.
Bay...my friend was my best friend and she had confided in me some of her most sensitive things. I'm sure she didn't tell me because she knew I would be hurt, but in the end, it hurt more to know that I was sleeping beside a man who was unfaithful. As far as holding hands and kissing and it not being as it seems....are you alright? What else could it mean?
And also, I would rather have a friend be upset with me because I may have jumped to the wrong conclusion...than have them be upset with me because I didn't tell them what I knew/saw. She could have come to me and said "I thought I saw your husband at the Celtics game last night (mind you she lived upstairs from us). If I didn't believe her for some reason, I would at least have the chance to say "you must be mistaken, he was working" or whatever.
Or, if I were her (like I said prior) I would have approached him just to let him know that I knew and give him the chance to come clean to the sig other.
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I dont know about you guys but minding your own business would probably be best. If your going to rat, then take a pic and do it anonymously. With issues of the heart, people do irrational things.
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My hands are cramping as this is being typed...... Bay is right. :)
When you tell the friend all hell breaks loose and you end up being blamed. For me.. the friend telling me would have to be so close that I could take their word over a spouses/gf. There are 2 or 3 people I'm close enough with that I'd accept their word on a situation like that with no reservations. If one of them told me my gf was messing around I'd dump her with no conversation whatsoever.
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I find it kinda funny that the women would want to tell or be told and the men would say nothing or not want to be told that their sig other was cheating on them.
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It depends, guys don't like to tell guys their ladies are being unfaithful as men have a tendency to shoot the messenger.
Generally I would keep my nose clean, I got involved once in 2003 telling some one that I saw his wife at the airport with another man and they where obviously not just friends.(turns out she was shagging her boss)
When the whole thing blew up the estranged wife threatened me with civil action for screwing up her life LOL it was just a bug ugly thing to go through
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My hands are cramping as this is being typed...... Bay is right. :)
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Ok instead of saying the person was cheating I would just mention in a conversation with the friend "Oh I saw so and so the other day but I don't think he/she saw me. It was at (wherever)." When they then asked what the person was doing I would mention they were with this man/woman, I didn't know the person (unless I knew the person then I would just say their name).
What happens after that is up to them. I would just be having a conversation. :)
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I find it kinda funny that the women would want to tell or be told and the men would say nothing or not want to be told that their sig other was cheating on them.
yes....... very interesting............. .........
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I find it kinda funny that the women would want to tell or be told and the men would say nothing or not want to be told that their sig other was cheating on them.
Men and women tend to accept different reasons for cheating. Besides... people always shoot the messenger. Guys don't want to deal with the drama but women love it.
Generally: men cheat for sex, women do it for attention.
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I find it kinda funny that the women would want to tell or be told and the men would say nothing or not want to be told that their sig other was cheating on them.
Oh, let me be clear, I would want to be told if my partner was cheating on me, but I would not fault any friend for not telling me.
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Men and women tend to accept different reasons for cheating. Besides... people always shoot the messenger. Guys don't want to deal with the drama but women love it.
Generally: men cheat for sex, women do it for attention.
Cheating is cheating...there is no right reason for it. And no, women don't love the drama of being cheated on or witnessing others being cheated on (unless of course you hate them). drkaje...are you saying that if your woman was cheating on you and one of your family members or friends saw her.........you wouldn't want them to come to you and let you know? Or if you saw your brother/sister's sign other out on the town cheating on them....you wouldn't tell them?
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Cheating is cheating...there is no right reason for it. And no, women don't love the drama of being cheated on or witnessing others being cheated on (unless of course you hate them). drkaje...are you saying that if your woman was cheating on you and one of your family members or friends saw her.........you wouldn't want them to come to you and let you know? Or if you saw your brother/sister's sign other out on the town cheating on them....you wouldn't tell them?
Cheating is never right.
If my brother said "J, I saw your girl making out with another guy" I'd confront her about it. If it were one of my three closest friends, she'd be gone with no discussion. Anyone else would need serious proof: Pics, DNA, SSNs, video, etc...
Nine times out of ten you end up losing a friend after telling them something like that. It's almost as bad as telling someone their kid is a brat, LOL!
I would want to know but only from someone I trust fully.
Sometimes you forget, Cheri. Men are just as stupid as women when it comes to their mates. You can tell a guy a girl is bad news until blue in the face and it won't make a difference if he's into her or in love.
Much as it sucks to dedicate yourself to the wrong person...... Some lessons have to be learned the hard way. :)
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I'd take a picture with my car phone, walk up and show them and then say..."do you want to tell them, or shall I?" >:(
I handled it this way; only I brought in Steven Spielberg, his camera crew and proper lighting! We (my gf & I) were totally shocked when we saw them kissing in the parking lot!
But you know my gf asked me would I have said anything if she wasn't with me? Hmmmmmm, still thinking about this.
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What's the car update and license Hustleman? ;D
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I handled it this way; only I brought in Steven Spielberg, his camera crew and proper lighting! We (my gf & I) were totally shocked when we saw them kissing in the parking lot!
But you know my gf asked me would I have said anything if she wasn't with me? Hmmmmmm, still thinking about this.
Why think so long? You already know the answer.
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What's the car update and license Hustleman? ;D
She is getting much better I have her on the road daily and is very responsible and alert on the road, she even braved the beltway in DC afew times. She is having problems with parallel parking in both the auto and manual transmission ;) but I think I will let her go take the test anyway as a Christmas present right after Thanksgiving; she really has worked hard and I trust her on the road now. Also I bought her a car (she doesn't know about it yet though) which is also a Christmas present, I was thinking about giving it to her the day she takes the driving test, what do you think?
Oh yeah she paid for the light she busted lol
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Why think so long? You already know the answer.
Yeah you are right :) I probably would have said "damn that's messed up" and went on my way but my girl was very upset and I had to do something to show her that I disapproved. Actually I was in awe, I had never seen this person display such passion before even when they (our friends) were dating I was ready to buy popcorn and break out the lawn chairs! They (our friend and date) looked like two teenagers in love going at it!
I kinda felt bad for messing up their flow, yes I got dirty looks, but then reality set in and our friend realized they were busted; of course they didn't mind that I was an witness but when my gf appeared from between the cars the guilt set in like a kid with it's hand in the cookie jar.
Doc we just had this couple over for dinner, a movie (Phenomenon) and discussion last weekend and 4 days later one of them is damn near shooting a "porno loop" in the parking lot of a popular local eatery! If you blink an eye you could miss this town. Honestly what would you have done in my situation?
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My hands are cramping as this is being typed...... Bay is right. :)
When you tell the friend all hell breaks loose and you end up being blamed. For me.. the friend telling me would have to be so close that I could take their word over a spouses/gf. There are 2 or 3 people I'm close enough with that I'd accept their word on a situation like that with no reservations. If one of them told me my gf was messing around I'd dump her with no conversation whatsoever.
and I refuse to believe if your woman was seeing someone on the side and ANYONE YOU KNEW did'nt try to tell ya about it that ya would'nt go for their throat the first time ya found out they knew.....
I'd be more pissed off at the person that kept thier mouth shut than the the chic that was cheatin on me
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Yeah you are right :) I probably would have said "damn that's messed up" and went on my way but my girl was very upset and I had to do something to show her that I disapproved. Actually I was in awe, I had never seen this person display such passion before even when they (our friends) were dating I was ready to buy popcorn and break out the lawn chairs! They (our friend and date) looked like two teenagers in love going at it!
I kinda felt bad for messing up their flow, yes I got dirty looks, but then reality set in and our friend realized they were busted; of course they didn't mind that I was an witness but when my gf appeared from between the cars the guilt set in like a kid with it's hand in the cookie jar.
Doc we just had this couple over for dinner, a movie (Phenomenon) and discussion last weekend and 4 days later one of them is damn near shooting a "porno loop" in the parking lot of a popular local eatery! If you blink an eye you could miss this town. Honestly what would you have done in my situation?
Unless it was someone really close to me... nothing. A few years ago I was out and saw an acquaintances BF with another chick. This idiot was in a place she hangs out a block from her house. Deer caught in headlights appear calmer, LOL! Unfortunately, while drunk off my ass butt it was jokingly mentioned to my gf. My gf can't stand the other girl but ended up telling someone else who felt bad for her and did mention things. She's very proud and pretty much said they weren't that serious at the time so it didn't matter. At any rate... telling my gf was a huge mistake because she couldn't help but spill the beans and I see these people pretty often during the year. Now they will probably associate me with that little bit of drama forever.
Dude, had dinner at Oceanis and Fogo de chao within the last two weeks.
I'm gonna be fat really off-season by the time we get around to hanging out.
and I refuse to believe if your woman was seeing someone on the side and ANYONE YOU KNEW did'nt try to tell ya about it that ya would'nt go for their throat the first time ya found out they knew.....
I'd be more pissed off at the person that kept thier mouth shut than the the chic that was cheatin on me
How many people would you really believe? No questions asked?
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How many people would you really believe? No questions asked?
more like how many people do I know that would make something like that up ?
it's one thing to be blinded by love and it's another thing to put and keep the blinders on yourself !
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You can't get in your girl's face everytime someone talks crap or doesn't like her.
I wouldn't hold anyone responsible but the cheater in most cases. But if it were someone I hung with on a regular basis... we just wouldn't hang anymore.
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So you have friends who would make up stuff about your girlfriend and say they saw her with another guy? ::)
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So you have friends who would make up stuff about your girlfriend and say they saw her with another guy? ::)
Why not?!
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I would so rat their stanky ass out! >:(
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"Loose lips sink ships." But the ship you sink may be your own. :-[
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I would so rat their stanky ass out! >:(
Do you really need the drama that typically follows a revelation of that manner?
What if you're wrong?
How will you prove being right?
How will you hang out with them after he/she forgives the other person?
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I would so rat their stanky ass out! >:(
Your diction makes it clear that you’ve cast a strong judgment about the cheater, but what exactly would be your motive for telling your “friend”?
I think if we are honest with ourselves, we can agree that the impulse to tell in a situation like is rarely driven by healthy motives. From what you say above, it sounds more like you want to hurt the cheater rather than help your friend.
I like to think of myself as having a strong moral compass. My compass tells me that most often in situations like this, the right thing to do is not get involved. What is or is not going on in someone else's relationship is simply not my business. Is it yours? As has been suggested, telling could very easily blow up in your face. If this has happened to you once or twice, you might not be so eager to "rat their stanky ass out." :-\
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It depends on how hot she was and what she was willing to trade to keep me quiet.
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Interesting points raised.
What would the motivation for telling be? "It's the right thing to do" really isn't useful. There are plenty of 'right things' that never get done, recycling, taxes, obeying the speed limit, etc...
Perhaps "What's in it for you?" is a better question when it comes to spilling the beans in that situation.
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Interesting points raised.
What would the motivation for telling be? "It's the right thing to do" really isn't useful. There are plenty of 'right things' that never get done, recycling, taxes, obeying the speed limit, etc...
Perhaps "What's in it for you?" is a better question when it comes to spilling the beans in that situation.
Hellooooo!! I will say this again:
I wouldn't tell per se, but just like I would mention to my friend if I ran into her SO at the store or somewhere I would mention that I saw him in that instance too. Why should I have to act differently than I normally would?
What would be in it for me? Not having to be a part of that shit by having to lie. You want to cheat? You want to be a moron and do it in public? Then you have accepted that someone might see you. And cheating doesn't come with blinders you get to pass out to everybody and expect them to cover your ass.
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That's a no win situation that I've been on both sides of.
You're damned if you do tell, ...and you're damned if you don't.
I had a friend whose bf was cheating, ...and I told her. She didn't believe me and got mad at me for saying something. Another time when I busted a guy for cheating, he tried to get himself out of shit by lying to his gf saying that I had hit on him, ...he even got his friend to lie for him as well saying he was there, and witnessed me hitting on him, so when I told her, she accused me of making it all up due to sour grapes from being turned down. ::) She eventually found out the truth, but the grief she put me through destroyed the friendship.
I've seen situations where people went along in blissful ignorance, and when told the truth about a cheating spouse, the pain lingered and interfered with their relationship, ...and it is frequently the messenger who gets the blame.
I once had a gf tell me the guy I was seeing was secretly married, and that his wife lived in LA quietly out of the limelight.
When I asked him about it, he denied it till he was blue in the face. Who was I to believe? Surely if he was married, I would have heard mention of it in the tabloids or something? I took his word over hers, and chalked it up to jealousy on her part. Sure enough, one day she called me informing me that she had just heard through the grape vine his wife just flew into Toronto that morning. Well wouldn't ya know, despite the fact that there were some very important must-attend film industry galas here in Toronto that weekend, he called me that afternoon and said he just out-of-the-blue felt like getting out of town, and wouldn't it be great to fly to New York City on the spur of the moment catching a show on Broadway or something... needless to say I dumped his butt on the spot. I should have known better. The girl who told me was extremely well connected and always seemed to know where everyone else's skeletons were buried. The very fact that she even knew of our relationship to begin with should have reminded me of her frequent access to information not readily known by others. She's also very pragmatic and would never be morally outraged by cheating souses since she herself was a serial dater of married men. She simply told me because she knew I was personally avverse to the idea of being involved with a married man, ...and she knew I would want to know.
Then there was the time I knew a friends bf was cheating, ...and I never told her.
Well she eventually found out, and didn't talk to me for months because I knew and didn't tell her.
I say play it by ear, ...and know who you're dealing with.
If your friend is the type that would want to know, ...tell them. But be prepared for the backlash.
If not, keep your mouth shut, and hightail it out of their before either of them sees you.
But if the friend flaunts the affair infront of you, ...tell them off for being so selfish, and inconsiderate, as to put you in the middle of such an uncomfortable situation.
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Definately a no win situation.
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As I said, as a general rule, what happens in someone else's relationship is none of my business.
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As I said, as a general rule, what happens in someone else's relationship is none of my business.
True, ...however, if you are truly their friend, ...their health, safety, well being and best interests are.
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It would greatly depend on how close I was to my friend, but my generic answer is no, I would not say anything. :-[
As a general rule, I think someone else’s marriage should succeed or fail without my intervention. No one knows what goes on in a relationship except the two people involved, and I have no way of knowing what the status of their union is . . . for all I know, they could be swingers or have an open relationship. Is that any of my business? No.
If I was especially close to my friend, I might maneuver to let the spouse see me and make eye contact with me while with the lover so that s/he knows that I have seen them; I might walk past their table in a restaurant, or deliberately cross their path in a public venue.
The one thing that might cause me to speak up is if I previously had a conversation with my friend in which s/he specifically told me that s/he would want a friend to tell them if we saw the spouse cheating in public.
If it was a close friend I would surely tell him/her, if they are swingers they'd probbably tell me. When adultery or something 'out of the ordinary' was happening under your nose and a friend asks you about it later and you'd have to reply 'yes I saw things unfolding under my very eyes', you'd look rather silly...
in response to Jag: If I was to tell such a thing to one of my close friends it would not be taken lightly, not instantly believed perhaps, but perceived as a signal perhaps to keep an eye on things.
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If it was a close friend I would surely tell him/her, if they are swingers they'd probbably tell me.
Don't be too sure about that? Some people who live in that lifestyle are 'out-of-the-closet' so to speak, but many more lead a sort of double life taking precautions to ensure their family and/or friends know nothing about their lifestyle.
When adultery or something 'out of the ordinary' was happening under your nose and a friend asks you about it later and you'd have to reply 'yes I saw things unfolding under my very eyes', you'd look rather silly...
...Or you'd have to deny any knowledge which creates an immediate additional barrier between you, ...one more fortifide than the last. Any time you are forced to keep a secret from someone you are close to, it erects a barrier between you. The bigger the secret, and the bigger the attempt to maintain the secret, ...the bigger the barrier, and the more fortified you make it. That's why I say those who cheat on their spouses are undermining & chipping away at the foundations of their marriage, destroying the relationship they share with their spouse, ...whether the wronged spouse knows about the affair or not.
The same goes for parents who ask their children to keep secrets from the other parent.
Psychologically, doing so executes a purchase, if you will, ...the price & currency for which is the intimate bonds that glue together the relationship between the one required to keep the secret, and the one from whom the secret is kept.
That's why it's the height of selfishness to ask a friend or a loved one to keep secrets from those they love.
in response to Jag: If I was to tell such a thing to one of my close friends it would not be taken lightly, not instantly believed perhaps, but perceived as a signal perhaps to keep an eye on things.
That's kind of how I felt when she told me he was married. I'm grateful she refused to be deterred by my reaction to her news. And I'm grateful for her follow-up. Had she not tipped me off to begin with, and diligently followed up with facts that she relayed dispassionately, I wouldn't have picked up on what was really going on, and would probably have interpreted some of his most deceiptful acts of selfishness as signs of devotion.
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As I said, as a general rule, what happens in someone else's relationship is none of my business.
Bay Guy,
I had to intervene, I had to say something! My GF was right we should have at least let the guilty party know that we (their very close friends) were aware of the debauchery taking place. FYI, the other day the guilty party came clean and revealed everything to their sig other. As I see it if I (we) had said nothing the adultery would have continued and the relationship would have reached a new low. We have been informed by both that they will pursue counseling to attempt reconciliation. Yes if it were not a very close friend I might have kept quiet but in this instance it is evident we made the correct call in confronting the guilty party.
This time it was my business and I believe that's what friends are for; we had to intervene for the sake of friendship!
HMIC
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20/20 is taking up this topic.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4325852&page=1
'This Is Not Good': Your Best Friend's Boyfriend With Another Woman
If You Caught Someone Being Unfaithful, What Would You Do? Would You Keep the Secret?
Feb. 22, 2008—
Imagine that you're dining at a fancy restaurant, when suddenly, across the room, you see something that makes you do a double take. You see your good friend's significant other with a complete stranger ... and it's clear dessert isn't the only thing on their minds.
Would you tell your wronged friend?
ABC News recruited six couples and asked them to pretend to cheat on their mate in front of an unsuspecting best friend.
We set up our experiment at Ennio & Michael's, an Italian restaurant in New York's Greenwich Village. The restaurant was rigged with hidden cameras. Outside in a nearby control van, we watched with Donna Barnes, a life and relationship coach, as the ethical dilemma unfolded.
Watch this sneak peek of "What Would You Do?" tonight on "20/20" at 10 p.m. ET, and watch the premiere of the series "Primetime: What Would You Do?" Tuesday, Feb. 26 at 10 p.m. ET
Our first participant was David Woody. He and his girlfriend, Mary Ellen Jarrell, are a devoted couple who had just moved in together after four years of dating.
At the beginning of the experiment, we sent David into the restaurant with another woman on his arm -- an actor hired by us. The two canoodled affectionately at a cozy corner table.
Minutes later, Kiley, Mary Ellen's best friend, walked into the restaurant. She settled at a table across the room with our accomplice, Adrienne. Unlike everyone else at the restaurant, she had no idea that she was about to see her best friend betrayed.
Just before our experiment, we interviewed David and Mary Ellen to see how they thought Kiley would react.
"I don't think she'll say anything at all," David said, and Mary Ellen agreed. "She knows how happy I am with him," Mary Ellen said. "So she will think if she tells me she will devastate me and ruin my life."
Were they right? We were about to find out . . .
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Bay , I was planning on seeing that tonite , but I was unaware that would be a segment , I heard about the "catch a thief" segment
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4306356&page=1
this will be better now I look forward to seeing that segment too :) Thank you