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Title: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: alexxx on November 12, 2007, 07:09:29 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: marcus on November 12, 2007, 07:28:04 PM
Judging by those pics, Serge.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: GoneAway on November 12, 2007, 07:33:37 PM
on those pics alone, cormier. ill explain it if anyone wants me to
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: 20inch calves on November 12, 2007, 07:38:25 PM
its 2 different eras. if serge did the drugs nutrition ect the cormier did/does who knows.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Voice of Doom on November 12, 2007, 07:38:50 PM
thats a pretty damn good pic of Chris.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: alexxx on November 12, 2007, 08:04:37 PM
thats a pretty damn good pic of Chris.

Damn right. He must have been in his prime for that shoot.

Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: brian36 on November 12, 2007, 08:58:27 PM
Cormier by a mile.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on November 12, 2007, 09:57:43 PM
The Beef would love to see the whole series of pics of Cormier from that shoot. Th eBeef thinks it CC's all time best condition.

The Beef
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Al-Gebra on November 12, 2007, 09:59:12 PM
The Beef would love to see the whole series of pics of Cormier from that shoot. Th eBeef thinks it CC's all time best condition.

The Beef


The Beef is a big fan of the ebony male physique.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: candidizzle on November 12, 2007, 10:01:08 PM
cormier is easily one of the greatest of all time when in top condition. so was serge though.  id pick cormier.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: jaejonna on November 13, 2007, 07:37:17 AM
Cormier was more complete but that may have been a product of Serge's era. Both are greats, but imma go with Cormier.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: mass 04 on November 13, 2007, 07:39:39 AM
The Beef is a big fan of the ebony male physique.

hahaah
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: mass 04 on November 13, 2007, 07:42:33 AM
Cormier was more complete but that may have been a product of Serge's era. Both are greats, but imma go with Cormier.

CC is destroying Jay there.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: alexxx on November 13, 2007, 07:48:05 AM
Check out this vid of Cormier; BFTO 1996



Check at the end when he poses! INCREDIBLE!

What where CC's best years? 1996 has got to be up there!
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Monster_Everything on November 13, 2007, 08:10:52 AM
Check out this vid of Cormier; BFTO 1996



Check at the end when he poses! INCREDIBLE!

What where CC's best years? 1996 has got to be up there!
Good video ...he had an awesome back, so crisp and separated .....
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on November 13, 2007, 08:23:54 AM
This is one of the best pics I've ever seen of ANYONE.

Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: alexxx on November 13, 2007, 08:32:38 AM
This is one of the best pics I've ever seen of ANYONE.



Pretty sure he is about 65 in this one. Here is one when he was younger.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Trev on November 13, 2007, 08:35:21 AM
This is one of the best pics I've ever seen of ANYONE.


Serge Beats Cormier and do you realise that Serge is in his '50's in this shot !!! INCREDIBLE!
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: GoneAway on November 13, 2007, 05:24:09 PM
Serge Beats Cormier and do you realise that Serge is in his '50's in this shot !!! INCREDIBLE!

please explain to me how serge beats cormier if a contest was judged on the first two pics alone.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Al-Gebra on November 13, 2007, 06:11:46 PM
please explain to me how serge beats cormier if a contest was judged on the first two pics alone.

'cause Uncle Joe said so.

Now go away.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Bluto on November 13, 2007, 06:16:48 PM
ill go with cormier. bigger arms and legs to name but two
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: England_1 on November 13, 2007, 06:17:49 PM
Cormier in his 1999 form would have absolutely dwarfed Sergio. Segio was great in his time, but he was no chris.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Alex23 on November 13, 2007, 06:19:26 PM
2 different chemical era.... like comparing a chevy '57 with an 2007 Z06 Corvette

Brutal bad pic vs good pic.

Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Parker on November 13, 2007, 06:36:41 PM
CC is destroying Jay there.

Yet he lost the Arnold to Jay, every time. I think that is why Cormier lost his heart for bbing.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Alex23 on November 13, 2007, 06:40:20 PM
Yet he lost the Arnold to Jay, every time. I think that is why Cormier lost his heart for bbing.

Has nothing to do with that. Don't put emotion where there isn't.

Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Big_Tymer on November 13, 2007, 06:44:34 PM
CC is destroying Jay there.

yeah he is, and jay won the arnold over chris that year.  gutler has gotten so many gifts its not even funny.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Parker on November 13, 2007, 06:46:35 PM
Has nothing to do with that. Don't put emotion where there isn't.



He lost in 2000 to a syntholed Flex after beating him at the Ironman, he lost in 2001 to Ronnie, and 2002-2005?, he lost to Jay. He had a better physique than Jay, a better back. And he made comments that they obviously were pushing Jay for some reason, he became very bitter, and then his accident. The man was known for being ones of the strongest bodybuilders, and just poof, before the accident it seemed he lost motivation. And losing to lee in Aussy did help things at all.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: alexxx on November 13, 2007, 06:47:24 PM
2 different chemical era.... like comparing a chevy '57 with an 2007 Z06 Corvette

Brutal bad pic vs good pic.



Which would you say is the bad pic??? Maybe you could throw your pic in the mix and show what either bodybuilder is lacking?
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Bluto on November 13, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
Which would you say is the bad pic??? Maybe you could throw your pic in the mix and show what either bodybuilder is lacking?

hahaha. maybe for once he WONT post his picture!  :D
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Alex23 on November 13, 2007, 06:51:58 PM
Which would you say is the bad pic???

Go back and take a look.. I'm sure you're smart enough of a guy to realize the epic blurry bad lighting cutting the details.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: alexxx on November 13, 2007, 07:07:43 PM
Go back and take a look.. I'm sure you're smart enough of a guy to realize the epic blurry bad lighting cutting the details.

Well these are the closest pictures I could find of them hitting the same pose. If you have better pics feel free to post them. It's good motivation.

But isn't it interesting how a natural bodybuilder of the past could have placed favorably against the Real Deal? BTW I can't decide who wins that pose off. I think they are both great!
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Alex23 on November 13, 2007, 07:22:54 PM
Well these are the closest pictures I could find of them hitting the same pose. If you have better pics feel free to post them. It's good motivation.

But isn't it interesting how a natural bodybuilder of the past could have placed favorably against the Real Deal? BTW I can't decide who wins that pose off. I think they are both great!

Wasn't bashing your pics bro. Good compare.

I doubt Serge was natural :)

In fact he mentioned Teramex many times in late 70's interview  ;D
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: GoneAway on November 13, 2007, 11:54:33 PM
i think they both have the same genetics to achieve great bodies. but as was stated, both came in different eras. i also agree with alex, serge wasnt at his best in that shot (not to mention picture quality), and chris looked 95-100% his best.

But isn't it interesting how a natural bodybuilder of the past could have placed favorably against the Real Deal? BTW I can't decide who wins that pose off. I think they are both great!

natural... hmm... maybe the word 'natural until proven user' is better, but u could say that about 99% of pros.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on November 14, 2007, 01:33:04 AM
He lost in 2000 to a syntholed Flex after beating him at the Ironman, he lost in 2001 to Ronnie, and 2002-2005?, he lost to Jay. He had a better physique than Jay, a better back. And he made comments that they obviously were pushing Jay for some reason, he became very bitter, and then his accident. The man was known for being ones of the strongest bodybuilders, and just poof, before the accident it seemed he lost motivation. And losing to lee in Aussy did help things at all.

I think he had Jay's number at least once can't remember if it was 2002 or 2003. 2004 Jay was pretty small too.

With Lee's win CC complained he lost because it was judged in OZ by OZZIE's. So what about the San Fran 2002? No Aussie's judging there. I've got that video CC wasn't in the best condition, Lee was unreal.

Too many excuses there.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: leannmean on November 14, 2007, 07:34:04 AM
;D

Serge win of course. I never thought of comparing these 2 bodybuilders. Serge is a legend, a top 3 of his time and Chris is more like a top 10 best of his time at his best (when he is less than 80% of his best, I do not even give him a look). Whereas Serge whether he is at a lower weight (like 75 Olympia) or larger (72 Olympia) is a total piece of art.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on November 14, 2007, 07:40:26 AM
Brutal being so black not even in sunlight can you make out any detail
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: jaejonna on November 14, 2007, 07:40:43 AM
Cormier has like the third or fourth most pro wins among all BBs ever. To say that he was top 10 in his era is an understatement. He was in the top five of a top five that was better than any era of BB. Ronnie, Kevin, Shawn, Flex and Chris. IMHO, I only thought that Ronnie was better than him.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: alexxx on November 14, 2007, 09:31:15 AM
Here I found a pic with more detail for you bros. I think either one could have made a terrific mr. Olympia!

Props to Chris for keeping it real and not injecting himself with any oil. That's why he should have been the top champion of the 90s.

Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Sean-DeMarco on November 14, 2007, 10:13:19 AM
;D

...I like Cormier but I gotta roll with Serge on this one.~ ;D
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: GoneAway on November 15, 2007, 12:53:31 AM
that is a must better comparison of serge/cc.  could arguably give serge the nod with reason being aesthetically superior. that would set bbing in a new direction right there. but in today's bbing contest, chris would beat serge.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Trev on November 15, 2007, 01:08:55 AM
that is a must better comparison of serge/cc.  could arguably give serge the nod with reason being aesthetically superior. that would set bbing in a new direction right there. but in today's bbing contest, chris would beat serge.
Serge Wins - But yes in todays warped bodybuilding world, they'd give Chris the nod. In fact, they'd give loads of big unshapely, un-balanced lumps the nod over him too which is just insane!!!!
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: GoneAway on November 15, 2007, 01:17:45 AM
Serge Wins - But yes in todays warped bodybuilding world, they'd give Chris the nod. In fact, they'd give loads of big unshapely, un-balanced lumps the nod over him too which is just insane!!!!

nothing wrong with chris winning. he's got bigger legs and traps, more ripped, and still a relatively small waist. he just seems like a more complete package. serge's legs are what loses him there, for me. but his upperbody is right on part with chris'. shows how good serge was back in the day.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Trev on November 15, 2007, 01:21:52 AM
nothing wrong with chris winning. he's got bigger legs and traps, more ripped, and still a relatively small waist. he just seems like a more complete package. serge's legs are what loses him there, for me. but his upperbody is right on part with chris'. shows how good serge was back in the day.
Funny thing is that Serge is getting back into top shape for a spring tour at age 69 and then for a guest posing at 70 years old and with Cormiers injury probs, Serge would prob beat him in a 2008 contest !!!
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: GoneAway on November 15, 2007, 01:41:28 AM
Funny thing is that Serge is getting back into top shape for a spring tour at age 69 and then for a guest posing at 70 years old and with Cormiers injury probs, Serge would prob beat him in a 2008 contest !!!

lol that would be a sight to see!
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: KillerMonk on November 15, 2007, 01:52:40 AM
Impossible to compare Sergio worked Full Time in his early years not to mention when Sergio was in his Prime early 60s to mid 70s he was at least 25 years behind in chemical warfare imagine Sergio with 35 more pounds.

I will not give my opinion except to say Corimier is one of my modern favourites get your Tricep repaired and come Back late 08 at your all time best.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: leannmean on November 15, 2007, 06:00:07 AM
If you compare Serge versus Robby: Black Panther versus Black Prince it will be more worth discussing. And Serge has beaten Robby. I believe CC will has to struggle even against Robby. Even if you compare Brian Bucannan against Serge or Robby, it will be more worthy. Bone Structure is one of the most deciding factor in bodybuilding supremacy. This is why Flex should be invincible in the early 90's before he ruin his health.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Hypo on November 15, 2007, 06:20:00 AM
On those pics CC own Serge, it's not even funny.

How can you say Serge is better than Chris in those shots? Cormier's structure is one of the best out there, he totally out-muscles Serge and has a tight waist and better conditioning?

Serge has a great physique, but it's like saying Arnold could come back and take the Olympia. If CC came into any show like that, and had have been consistent like he was in the GPs, he would've walked away with a few Sandows.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: alexxx on November 15, 2007, 07:47:18 AM
Impossible to compare Sergio worked Full Time in his early years not to mention when Sergio was in his Prime early 60s to mid 70s he was at least 25 years behind in chemical warfare imagine Sergio with 35 more pounds.

I will not give my opinion except to say Corimier is one of my modern favourites get your Tricep repaired and come Back late 08 at your all time best.

Actually it is quite the opposite. Serge had all the time in the world to train and would train up to 5 hours a day. He was set financially from his family. He would even spend something like 250 franks just on horse meat every day!
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: leannmean on November 15, 2007, 07:47:35 AM
On those pics CC own Serge, it's not even funny.

How can you say Serge is better than Chris in those shots? Cormier's structure is one of the best out there, he totally out-muscles Serge and has a tight waist and better conditioning?

Serge has a great physique, but it's like saying Arnold could come back and take the Olympia. If CC came into any show like that, and had have been consistent like he was in the GPs, he would've walked away with a few Sandows.

I dunno. No offence CC just do not have the type of structure that will make people say wow at the first look. Just my biased opinion. They also belong to different eras where the chemical factor and physique proportion ideals which make a pic to pic comparsion meaningless (every decade will produce a new chemical standards and physique standard ideals). Like you compare Arnold in 1975 against Wolf 2007 (you cannot say oh in the pics Wolf got better delts, legs than Arnold and is hence the better bodybuilder), or you compare Zane against Flex Wheeler.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on November 15, 2007, 09:35:03 AM
The Beef is a big fan of the ebony male physique.

The Beef ain't ever living that shit down . . .

The Beef
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: EL Mariachi on November 15, 2007, 09:37:11 AM
cormier, no contest.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: MikeThaMachine on November 15, 2007, 10:27:40 AM
The Beef would love to see the whole series of pics of Cormier from that shoot. Th eBeef thinks it CC's all time best condition.

The Beef




He (Cormier) had a bunch from that series on his old website which closed down almost 2 yrs ago I think. There was a lot of really great pics on there especially some from photoshoots after contests but too bad I never saved them before the site closed.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Camel Jockey on November 15, 2007, 10:29:17 AM
Serge was a porno star. Case closed.

Cormier just has some baby mommas.
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: MikeThaMachine on November 15, 2007, 10:45:27 AM
Cormier has like the third or fourth most pro wins among all BBs ever. To say that he was top 10 in his era is an understatement. He was in the top five of a top five that was better than any era of BB. Ronnie, Kevin, Shawn, Flex and Chris. IMHO, I only thought that Ronnie was better than him.


And don't forget he has competed in over 70 PRO contests while averaging a top 5 finish, not to bad at all IMO.


Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: Monster_Everything on November 15, 2007, 10:51:01 AM
The "Chris10" pic is sick ...
Title: Re: Serge VS Cormier - WHO WINS?
Post by: MikeThaMachine on November 15, 2007, 11:06:19 AM
The "Chris10" pic is sick ...


The angle is perfect in that pic, you can see his balance and thickness in it. That is from the 2000 Ironman as are these.