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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Alex23 on November 13, 2007, 08:58:26 PM
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Nothing against the kid but Palumbo fucked him up with his no carb shit.
Won't even take the Super HVY.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=16981
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I think that's the wrong link.
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Nothing against the kid but Palumbo fucked him up with his no carb shit.
Won't even take the Super HVY.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=16981
Video is not working.
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Video is not working.
Works for me coatch. First video takes long to load. Try the second one..
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I can't remember the last time I seen such lackluster training........are these guys supposed to be getting ready for a big show or something?
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I can't remember the last time I seen such lackluster training........are these guys supposed to be getting ready for a big show or something?
That's the general feeling when watching this... ... NO CARBS will do that....
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Evan definetely looks off to me. Super flat and small.
I hope his carb up helps him out.
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Now THAT'S INTENSITY 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=180330.0;attach=210883)
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Evan definetely looks off to me. Super flat and small.
I hope his carb up helps him out.
Isn't Palumbo "against" the carb loading theory.. no carbs means no carbs ;)
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Now THAT'S INTENSITY 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=180330.0;attach=210883)
Alex A looks like a f'ing anatomy chart. Awesome striations everywhere, chest really stands out to me.
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Now THAT'S INTENSITY 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=180330.0;attach=210883)
I wonder how much body fat he is holding. I'd like to hear Jim Quinn's take on it, I might give Billy Smith a call tomorrow...
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Isn't Palumbo "against" the carb loading theory.. no carbs means no carbs ;)
I think he carbs em up on like small poritons of white potatoes and white rice on friday and saturday.....I think but who knows.
Evan definetely needs something to fill him out though, and the fats arent going to cut it.
But since the super heavyweight class is so weak, he might be ok
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I think he carbs em up on like small poritons of white potatoes and white rice on friday and saturday.....I think but who knows.
Evan definetely needs something to fill him out though, and the fats arent going to cut it.
But since the heavyweight class is so weak, he might be ok
Isn't he doing Super heavy?
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Isn't Palumbo "against" the carb loading theory.. no carbs means no carbs ;)
No, Dave uses the carb loading protocol.
A few things to consider. With most of Dave's clients, not all, but during the last few wks the diet can get pretty weird and tough. Through most of the diet it's high protein, moderate fat and very low carb...you still get about 50g of carbs per day, just enough to fuel your training, plus you get the one cheat meal per wk...and I'm talking "cheat meal."
However, if the client is still holding on to a little bit of fat the last wk or so he'll pull all the fat out of the diet for the most part for a few days each wk...on those days it's protein and a few cups of green veggies..that's it...he may even pull the fat out of the diet for every day as the show gets closer. If everything goes as planned, this only happens 3 days prior to Thursday.
Typically though, once you reach the Thursday before the show, the fats are added back in and a carb up begins.
Typical Dave Carb up:
3 days out: 30g carbs per meal x 6 meals
2 days out: 40g carbs per meal x 6 meals
1 day out: 50g carbs per meal x 6 meals
Contest day: 30g carbs per meal
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No, Dave uses the carb loading protocol.
A few things to consider. With most of Dave's clients, not all, but during the last few wks the diet can get pretty weird and tough. Through most of the diet it's high protein, moderate fat and very low carb...you still get about 50g of carbs per day, just enough to fuel your training, plus you get the one cheat meal per wk...and I'm talking "cheat meal."
However, if the client is still holding on to a little bit of fat the last wk or so he'll pull all the fat out of the diet for the most part for a few days each wk...on those days it's protein and a few cups of green veggies..that's it...he may even pull the fat out of the diet for every day as the show gets closer. If everything goes as planned, this only happens 3 days prior to Thursday.
Typically though, once you reach the Thursday before the show, the fats are added back in and a carb up begins.
Typical Dave Carb up:
3 days out: 30g carbs per meal x 6 meals
2 days out: 40g carbs per meal x 6 meals
1 day out: 50g carbs per meal x 6 meals
Contest day: 30g carbs per meal
In your honest opinion, do you think Dave's Diet is beneficial to Bodybuilders ? Do you think it works, basically ?
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Typical Dave Carb up:
3 days out: 30g carbs per meal x 6 meals
2 days out: 40g carbs per meal x 6 meals
1 day out: 50g carbs per meal x 6 meals
Contest day: 30g carbs per meal
Good Post AJ but 30g x 6 ain't nowhere near carb loading....
been there.. try 500g last 3 days...
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No, Dave uses the carb loading protocol.
A few things to consider. With most of Dave's clients, not all, but during the last few wks the diet can get pretty weird and tough. Through most of the diet it's high protein, moderate fat and very low carb...you still get about 50g of carbs per day, just enough to fuel your training, plus you get the one cheat meal per wk...and I'm talking "cheat meal."
However, if the client is still holding on to a little bit of fat the last wk or so he'll pull all the fat out of the diet for the most part for a few days each wk...on those days it's protein and a few cups of green veggies..that's it...he may even pull the fat out of the diet for every day as the show gets closer. If everything goes as planned, this only happens 3 days prior to Thursday.
Typically though, once you reach the Thursday before the show, the fats are added back in and a carb up begins.
Typical Dave Carb up:
3 days out: 30g carbs per meal x 6 meals
2 days out: 40g carbs per meal x 6 meals
1 day out: 50g carbs per meal x 6 meals
Contest day: 30g carbs per meal
Good post. I've known people to get ripped on his diet and I guess I've heard of others who it didn't do shit for.
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Good post. I've known people to get ripped on his diet and I guess I've heard of others who it didn't do shit for.
I think its hit or miss, some people do great on it. And for some people it will leave alot to desired.
But it all matters how u handle carbs, how faithful you are to the diet, etc.
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I think its hit or miss, some people do great on it. And for some people it will leave alot to desired.
But it all matters how u handle carbs, how faithful you are to the diet, etc.
I wonder what Alex A is doing and would go with that ;D
Palumbo = brutal re-inventing the wheel and trying to fix something that ain't broken...
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That's the general feeling when watching this... ... NO CARBS will do that....
Some days yes, some days no, I'm on low carbs right now (very low) but I'm training much harder than that and I'm 2 1/2 weeks out, not hard, but harder than that, that was supposedly shot on Sept.11, 3 months before the Nationals, there's no excuse for that kind of training eing that far out.
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I wonder how much body fat he is holding. I'd like to hear Jim Quinn's take on it, I might give Billy Smith a call tomorrow...
;D ;D ;D
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I think its hit or miss, some people do great on it. And for some people it will leave alot to desired.
But it all matters how u handle carbs, how faithful you are to the diet, etc.
I think it'd take a certain type of person to sync well with Dave.
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Some days yes, some days no, I'm on low carbs right now (very low) but I'm training much harder than that and I'm 2 1/2 weeks out, not hard, but harder than that, that was supposedly shot on Sept.11, 3 months before the Nationals, there's no excuse for that kind of training eing that far out.
Title says one week out Coach.. still fucking pussy training... Like Arnold used to say "Technicians with no haaart" ;D
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Some days yes, some days no, I'm on low carbs right now (very low) but I'm training much harder than that and I'm 2 1/2 weeks out, not hard, but harder than that, that was supposedly shot on Sept.11, 3 months before the Nationals, there's no excuse for that kind of training eing that far out.
coach I believe they are one week out it mentions it a few times in the video ;)
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coa ;)
Huh??
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Dave also believes in using fat as fuel. You do look a bit flatter on higher fat and low carbs but personally i feel much better than when i ate carbs all day. I just found i had to eat oatmeal in the morning (for fibre), and a piece of toast, as well as carb load with powder after training. Fats the rest of the day. BTW this is with training for a high intensity cardio sport as well where all the rules state you burn carbs for fuel. I feel like rubbish on carbs.
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I've worked with Dave a number of times over the years getting ready for shows. The best was a top 5 placing in the USA several years back. The main criticism of this type of diet is that once you're used to the ketosis feeling, you tend to get tired. And the last thing you need is to start falling asleep behind the wheel during rush hour. For me, the diet had no carbs, protein, & fats. Here was the breakdown (and this is similar to what he had Tony Freeman & Desmond Miller doing)..
Meal #1: Six Egg Whites scrambled with Three Whole Eggs
Meal #2: Very Low/NoCarb Protein Shake w/2 tablespoons of Almond/Cashew Butter.
Meal #3: 6-8oz of Chicken/Turkey Breast with 1/4 cup of almonds/cashews.
Meal #4: Same as #3
Meal #5: Same as #2
Meal #6: 8-10oz. Steak w/large salad (mixed w/balsamic vinegar & macadamia oil)
One meal out of the week is a cheat meal. Like someone said above, when it got closer to the show, the fats were pulled out and the steak was changed to fish/turkey steak. Since my metabolism was somewhat insulin sensitive, I didn't carb up--I basically fat loaded..
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Some days yes, some days no, I'm on low carbs right now (very low) but I'm training much harder than that and I'm 2 1/2 weeks out, not hard, but harder than that, that was supposedly shot on Sept.11, 3 months before the Nationals, there's no excuse for that kind of training eing that far out.
Re-watch the video, it was this past Sunday, Nov. 11.
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the diet works, there is no doubt about that in my mind.
the best gains in fat loss seem to come if you dont re-load carbs every 4-5 days but just stay in keto for as long as you can maintain it.
the only bad part about it is if you have never tried it before and then go into your show with a simple carb up it may not be enough to fill you out.
i found it took 2 days post contest to fill out completely and a day or two after that to start to retain water. and that was after the 3 day 60 gram per meal carb up and then constant grazing after the show.
usually i fill out very well over nite using a typical carb rotation prep the nite of the show if i hadnt filled out properly the day of.
the only downside i found was your so glycogen stripped you really have to know your body to know how many carbs you'll need to fill you out.
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Why the hell does he have you drop the fats closer to the show? You should be ramping up the fats and cutting back on your proteins closer to the show. These new gurus are the main reason why so many guys blow their diets two weeks out after a hard disciplined long prep. Fire all these assholes and stick to the prep that worked for everyone from Arnold to Gaspari. Do the homework yourself unless you like hanging out with drug dealers.
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Some days yes, some days no, I'm on low carbs right now (very low) but I'm training much harder than that and I'm 2 1/2 weeks out, not hard, but harder than that, that was supposedly shot on Sept.11, 3 months before the Nationals, there's no excuse for that kind of training eing that far out.
how is your strength coach? just wondering what numbers you put up.
serious question
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NENz1rEJgRk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NENz1rEJgRk)
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after watching those vids I want to stop training hard and start doing steroids. :-\ Apparently that's about all it takes.
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after watching those vids I want to stop training hard and start doing steroids. :-\ Apparently that's about all it takes.
Don't be so naive. You have to take a shitload of steroids!
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Why the hell does he have you drop the fats closer to the show? You should be ramping up the fats and cutting back on your proteins closer to the show. These new gurus are the main reason why so many guys blow their diets two weeks out after a hard disciplined long prep. Fire all these assholes and stick to the prep that worked for everyone from Arnold to Gaspari. Do the homework yourself unless you like hanging out with drug dealers.
He has you drop the fats if your holding in weight/conditioning/basically behind schedule. It all depends on your physique type. What worked for Gaspari doesn't work for everyone. And Arnold wasn't even ripped by today's standards, so don't even go there.
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thanks for the link, very educational. i think we've seen enough of mr extreme conditioning
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Re-watch the video, it was this past Sunday, Nov. 11.
I only got as far as part 2 where it said Sept.11 2007
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Meal #1: Six Egg Whites scrambled with Three Whole Eggs
Meal #2: Very Low/NoCarb Protein Shake w/2 tablespoons of Almond/Cashew Butter.
Meal #3: 6-8oz of Chicken/Turkey Breast with 1/4 cup of almonds/cashews.
Meal #4: Same as #3
Meal #5: Same as #2
Meal #6: 8-10oz. Steak w/large salad (mixed w/balsamic vinegar & macadamia oil)
I did a diet that looked exactly like this for TWO MONTHS!! While preparing for the teen nat's...damn that was hard :o
I was a personal trainer at the time, I did a horrible job cause I had no energy to do anything...I would go to the locker room throughout the day and just sit on a bench for ten minutes or so... :'(
Oh, then I started smelling like rotten fish...it was coming out of my pores, and everyone kept asking me, "did you just eat fish?" ;D
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the no carb diet is shit, like i argued on muscular development, but the people there dont listen...they believe every word palbombo says. why would you eliminate all carbs from a diet? thats moronic
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the no carb diet is shit, like i argued on muscular development, but the people there dont listen...they believe every word palbombo says. why would you eliminate all carbs from a diet? thats moronic
DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL.AND ANABOLICS PLAY A ROLE,a natural could not get away with it.
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DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL.AND ANABOLICS PLAY A ROLE,a natural could not get away with it.
very true!! ;)
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Good post. I've known people to get ripped on his diet and I guess I've heard of others who it didn't do shit for.
it will work for everyone...because your in neg caloric state...so of course you will loose weight/fat...but you will feel like shit, and in many cases loose more muscle than if you had some carbs.
another case of bodybuilding extremist thinking.
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DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL.AND ANABOLICS PLAY A ROLE,a natural could not get away with it.
anabolics always plays a role as it helps you keep muscle during a diet..... but thats not what i meant.
i wouldnt recommend the no carb diet to anyone..even if your on drugs......its unecessary.
for more info read my old posts on md, if they didnt delete everything.
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I watched the video.................ho w is Centopani "looking like shit" ?!?!??!
he looked great to me,big round full delts,big arms/calves
?????????
(if that's "shitty" id love to look that "shitty" )
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I watched the video.................ho w is Centopani "looking like shit" ?!?!??!
he looked great to me,big round full delts,big arms/calves
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(if that's "shitty" id love to look that "shitty" )
You think Heiko Kalbach looks good, michael.
Your standards are pretty low.
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sometimes taking the low bridge is necessary to get to the other side.
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You think Heiko Kalbach looks good, michael.
Your standards are pretty low.
LOL!.............(you got me there)
Heiko is a mess (big bloated distended gut)...........oil in the arms etc
but hes a "mass monster" hence i like that
This kid Centopani is nothing like that....he actually looks good!(these are the "young guns" /the future of the sport)
why all the hate?
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Centopani will be just fine!
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The picture quality is bad, can't really tell how lean he is.
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This kid Centopani is nothing like that....he actually looks good!(these are the "young guns" /the future of the sport)
why all the hate?
I respect bodybuilders who earn something. Evan is all hype right now. Same with Ben White, another MD guy who can't stop talking about how great he is, but he's never even done a pro show.
These guys should win a pro card before they get covers and all the nut huggers. And they should win a FEW pro shows before a mag will even print something like "I am the greatest".
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fair enough livewire
check out this video Evan posing 1 week out
brought up his legs
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1256&Itemid=162
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Works for me coatch. First video takes long to load. Try the second one..
I watched the second one.
The ignorance of some bodybuilders never ceases to amaze me! I've heard Palumbo talk about "pullovers" on several occasions now, and he or the bodybuilders he's interviewing never seem to know what they actually do, how to do them, or even why they do them.
If I hear "expand my ribcage" again I'm going to lose my mind. How the heck do you expand your ribcage? Do they actually think they are going to cause the rib bones to start growing and "expanding" as a grown man??? Maybe if the short bodybuilders hang from a pullup bar with a heavy weight attached to their waist they can "expand" their torso :D
Pullovers are one of the GREATEST single movements for Lats (if you do them properly and know what you are actually doing and definitely NOT with a DUMBBELL). A standing straight arm cable pullover or good pullover machine will perform excellent shoulder extension and scapular depression (two main functions of the Lats).
You'd think that a bodybuilder would actually try to learn what the muscles do!
There's my unsolicited two cents :)
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Good Post AJ but 30g x 6 ain't nowhere near carb loading....
been there.. try 500g last 3 days...
Keep in mind that on this type of diet, you've been depleted of carbs for 3-4 months, and because of that you don't need a massive carb load...your body is going to be in a very sensitive state when it comes to carbs, and almost any amount will blow you up...and too much, when you've become th9is sensitive to carbs, as you will be on this diet, too much carbs in the carb load is just going to make you spill over and then you look terrible.
In your honest opinion, do you think Dave's Diet is beneficial to Bodybuilders ? Do you think it works, basically ?
Yep...one of the best diets out there. Not for everyone, simply because everyone is a little differant, but for the most part, most would be successful using this type of diet. The problem is either they are so brainwashed that they won't try it, or when they do, they end up changing it in some way that is not part of the plan, then they blame the diet for the lack of success.
the no carb diet is shit, like i argued on muscular development, but the people there dont listen...they believe every word palbombo says. why would you eliminate all carbs from a diet? thats moronic
Actually it makes perfect sense. Why do you need a bunch of carbs while dieting? Carbs do not build muscle, they don't preserve muscle...they are simply an energy source...hey, guess what, so is fat...and wouldn't you rather tap in exclusively to your own bodyfat for an energy source then anything else?
it will work for everyone...because your in neg caloric state...so of course you will loose weight/fat...but you will feel like shit, and in many cases loose more muscle than if you had some carbs.
another case of bodybuilding extremist thinking.
Bullshit.
If you feel like crap on this diet then you are not following it correctly...there is no way you should feel bad except for the first 3-4 days as your body adjust. You have a constant and steady supply of energy due to Ketone's...no blood sugar problems, no ups and downs...no you're not wired with energy but you are stable and consistent. If some one is losing muscle on this diet and following it exactly, then $100 says they're doing butt loads of high intensity cardio...you cannot do that sort of thing.
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i think he is ready. he will tighten up alot when he gets rid of water. he should look great. who knows what everyone else will look like but i see him at the top again
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after watching that video, i see this kid getting his pro card
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Pullovers are one of the GREATEST single movements for Lats (if you do them properly and know what you are actually doing and definitely NOT with a DUMBBELL). A standing straight arm cable pullover or good pullover machine will perform excellent shoulder extension and scapular depression (two main functions of the Lats).
You'd think that a bodybuilder would actually try to learn what the muscles do!
There's my unsolicited two cents :)
Do you feel pullovers hit the chest at all? I don't see how they would but many do it as a chest exercise.
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If you feel like crap on this diet then you are not following it correctly...there is no way you should feel bad except for the first 3-4 days as your body adjust. You have a constant and steady supply of energy due to Ketone's...no blood sugar problems, no ups and downs...no you're not wired with energy but you are stable and consistent. If some one is losing muscle on this diet and following it exactly, then $100 says they're doing butt loads of high intensity cardio...you cannot do that sort of thing.
I've done ketogenic diets and it feels different even after the body adjusts. Almost like a mild "high", a clear-headed feeling. For me sleep duration is reduced, probably due to lower serotonin levels. That can be a bit of a problem if you can't sleep enough.
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Evan will when this show easily. Looks like shit? ::) The guy is going to ripped to shreds when he drops the water.
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Evan will when this show easily. Looks like shit? ::) The guy is going to ripped to shreds when he drops the water.
finally............someo ne who makes sense!!
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Do you feel pullovers hit the chest at all? I don't see how they would but many do it as a chest exercise.
No, I don't believe dumbbell pullovers do. You can feel your chest when you do them, but that's mainly due to an isometric contraction (squeezing your chest). For example, I can squeeze my chest while I'm lifting my pencil and feel it, but that doesnt mean that it's working my chest (in a bodybuilding sense anyway). You can also feel it stretch your chest at it's insertion, which is actually pretty dangerous for your chest and shoulder joint.
When I was a teen I used to do real heavy dumbbell pullovers all the time, because that's what Arnold said we should do, right? ;)
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Do you feel pullovers hit the chest at all? I don't see how they would but many do it as a chest exercise.
BTW, the main function of the chest is adduction of the humerous bone within the horizontal plane of motion. A DB Pullover has nothing to do with that.
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I have had phenominal results on palumbo diet. Less cravings, mentally clear......however, i call bullshit on no stimulants. My workouts would have blew asshole if it wasnt for ephedrine. Great diet, makes total sense, just dont beleive for a second these guys arent taking stims
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When I was a teen I used to do real heavy dumbbell pullovers all the time, because that's what Arnold said we should do, right? ;)
so true ;)
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fair enough livewire
check out this video Evan posing 1 week out
brought up his legs
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1256&Itemid=162
He looks good, but seems to be too smooth for one week out.
Hard to really tell how tight he is in this video.
His back looked real good in video #2 (the only one i watched other than this posing link).
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Do you feel pullovers hit the chest at all? I don't see how they would but many do it as a chest exercise.
Dorian preferred machine pullovers. He believed that dumbell pullovers were too indirect on the lats and they taxed other muscle groups, and that they didnt provide even tension on the muscle throughout the range of motion.
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Not the best form on the pulldowns either
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Not the best form on the pulldowns either
I dont know what you guys are talking about. Evan trains in the same gym as me and he looks awesome!
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Pullovers are one of the GREATEST single movements for Lats (if you do them properly and know what you are actually doing and definitely NOT with a DUMBBELL).
Agreed. DB pullovers on a bench are (by me, at least) felt more in the chest. I never felt a thing in my lats, but they always lit my chest up.
Cable and machine are far superior.
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Now THAT'S INTENSITY 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=180330.0;attach=210883)
holy fuccking shit, please tell me you did something to that picture. :o
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holy fuccking shit, please tell me you did something to that picture. :o
He did do something to it... He POSTED it so we'd all feel like fat-asses!
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Damn Alex is lookin down-right scarey I hope he makes it through the show ok health-wise. NOBODY but nobody gets THAT SHREDDED!!!!!!
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I've done ketogenic diets and it feels different even after the body adjusts. Almost like a mild "high", a clear-headed feeling. For me sleep duration is reduced, probably due to lower serotonin levels. That can be a bit of a problem if you can't sleep enough.
Yes, I agree, a very clear headed feeling on this diet...how can this be a bad thing?
On the sleep thing, I've noticed that I don't require as much sleep on this diet, at least in terms of continuous sleep. It can be difficult to sleep more then 6hrs straight. However it does seem at least for me that I need a good 30-60min nap every day when dieting like this...obviously some days you can't get this, but when you can it helps.
It also seems that the sleep you do get is a better quality of sleep...a much deeper sleep the normal, IMO.
Bottome line, a good keto diet, one that is based on healthy fats, not the Atkins method, is the most efficient diet for losing fat, not weight but fat...and if doing it right, losing muscle mass is minimal.
I've dieted many differant ways, the low fat methods, carb cycling and even some weird crap that I don't know even how to label, but the Dave style keto diet is where it's at.
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He has you drop the fats if your holding in weight/conditioning/basically behind schedule. It all depends on your physique type. What worked for Gaspari doesn't work for everyone. And Arnold wasn't even ripped by today's standards, so don't even go there.
If you're behind schedule you drop your protein and up your fats. I don't think you understand ketosis my friend.
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Damn Alex is lookin down-right scarey I hope he makes it through the show ok health-wise. NOBODY but nobody gets THAT SHREDDED!!!!!!
Maybe my 350 grams of carbs every day at a bodyweight of 157lbs has somthing to do with me getting some gnarly ass pumps so all my vascularity shows. I dont know how anyone can survive on much less than that. I eat that much and im still wanting more! Diet should not be that tricky. My health is holding up pretty good. Based on the following: im sleeping good, Im eating good, Im not too miserable, my training sessions have been great(using the same poundage as mid prep and slightly more weight than off season)...
Things that make me go hmmm I better start getting my bodyfat up soon: cutting myself shaving constantly, ie face is lean as hell, people think im a kid, so obsessed with training and this show that great looking women dont even catch my attention, licking the plate clean after each meal!
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Keep in mind that on this type of diet, you've been depleted of carbs for 3-4 months, and because of that you don't need a massive carb load...your body is going to be in a very sensitive state when it comes to carbs, and almost any amount will blow you up...
When you kick carbs up, your metabolism is going to burn even hotter which means you need even more carbs. The more you are depleted, the hotter your metabolism is going to run and the more carbs you are going to need. Ever wonder why you start sweating your ass off when you carb up? If you cut the carbs short during this period, you will never totally fill out.
My last contest I ate almost 4000 grams of carbs in 3 days and still wasn't totally filled out. I ate even more carbs after prejudging and finally filled out by the night show. I took my temperature over the 3 day period and it was anywhere from 99 at the start to 101.5 in the middle of the carb up. This directly correleates to how hot your metabolism is running.
Eating 30 to 50 grams of carbs every three hours isn't going to dick to fill you out unless you are using insulin.
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Actually it makes perfect sense. Why do you need a bunch of carbs while dieting? Carbs do not build muscle, they don't preserve muscle...they are simply an energy source...hey, guess what, so is fat...and wouldn't you rather tap in exclusively to your own bodyfat for an energy source then anything else?
Bullshit.
Carbs don't build muscle but they give the energy needed for workouts that help retain muscle so indirectly they do build muscle. Fat is not going to give you the energy for intense workout precontest. I am all for low carbs but not everyday of the diet. One cheat meal a week is not going to do shit to refuel lost glycogen stores that are needed for intense workouts. I can see this dieting approach possibly working on smaller guys but not on heavyweights or superheavyweights.
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Some people do really well on Dave's diet others do not. I never use this diet as its too hit and miss for me and when a pro competes we don't have the luxury of trial and error.
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When you kick carbs up, your metabolism is going to burn even hotter which means you need even more carbs. The more you are depleted, the hotter your metabolism is going to run and the more carbs you are going to need. Ever wonder why you start sweating your ass off when you carb up? If you cut the carbs short during this period, you will never totally fill out.
My last contest I ate almost 4000 grams of carbs in 3 days and still wasn't totally filled out. I ate even more carbs after prejudging and finally filled out by the night show. I took my temperature over the 3 day period and it was anywhere from 99 at the start to 101.5 in the middle of the carb up. This directly correleates to how hot your metabolism is running.
Eating 30 to 50 grams of carbs every three hours isn't going to dick to fill you out unless you are using insulin.
I understand what you're saying about the carb up. However, when you've been completely depleted of carbs for 3-4 months, your bodies reaction to a small carb up right before the show seems to be a bit differant then say if you only depleted your carbs the last wk like you would in many other diets.
Carbs don't build muscle but they give the energy needed for workouts that help retain muscle so indirectly they do build muscle. Fat is not going to give you the energy for intense workout precontest. I am all for low carbs but not everyday of the diet. One cheat meal a week is not going to do shit to refuel lost glycogen stores that are needed for intense workouts. I can see this dieting approach possibly working on smaller guys but not on heavyweights or superheavyweights.
In normal circumstances this is correct...the fats won't give you the energy you need for training. However, once you're in ketosis this is not the case...your body has adjusted to relying on fats for fuel, relying on fats as it's primary source for energy. To get to this point can take usually up to 3-4 days...in some people it may take up to a wk.
As for the cheat meal, the main purpose for this is not to refill glycogen stores but rather to simply spike the metabolism...it isn't enough to throw you out of ketosis for more then a few hours max.
As for the diet itself in general terms....I know a lot of people are skeptical and they have good reason to be since it is not the standard norm...it's easy to get comfortable to what we are used to. Since that is the case, the only way to know if it works or not at this stage is to try it yourself and then go from there.
Some people do really well on Dave's diet others do not. I never use this diet as its too hit and miss for me and when a pro competes we don't have the luxury of trial and error.
I disagree. A lot of what pro's do is trial and error any way...think about it, if this wasn't the case then you wouldn't have guys changing nutritional guru's every year over and over again until they find the right one...a lot of times they never find one they are completely satisfied with.
Look at Tony Feeman though...I'd be willing to bet that he wished he hadn't left Dave during his last contest prep. His showing at the O was a far cry from where it was at his previous shows when he was following the Dave style diets and prep.