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heres the vid...
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/8080.html
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i am speechless...
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Was anyone judged for the murder?
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Tasering is the newest trend!
Approach your local police department and act a fool!
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Freaking asshole got exactly what he desrved. Harsher punishment is needed in the U.S. Those cops did exactly what they should have, and should be commended for keeping an obviously dissturbed man off my or your plane. Like I always say " don't fight the cops and they won't fight you", only crimanals and people who are doing something wrong, get defensive.
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I believe this happened in Canada.
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Freaking asshole got exactly what he desrved. Harsher punishment is needed in the U.S. Those cops did exactly what they should have, and should be commended for keeping an obviously dissturbed man off my or your plane. Like I always say " don't fight the cops and they won't fight you", only crimanals and people who are doing something wrong, get defensive.
you're a fuckin retard
the man couldn't speak english, he was stuck in customs for 10 hours and he couldn't leave. Airport officials never communicated with him at all.
where was the communication? There wasn't any. Where was somebody to translate. Cornering him into a corner wasn't smart either.
Anyone who is cornered is going to put up a struggle he didn't and look what happened. Nobody was in any danger. So they tazed??
Stupid cops. Deserve harsh punishment. A Man is dead for what??
only crimanals and people who are doing something wrong, get defensive.
yeah ok, you're a retard.
What the video shows, what RCMP says happened
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/canada/story.html?id=fd8c0fe5-d78e-4219-a0cb-cef362f6f798 (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/canada/story.html?id=fd8c0fe5-d78e-4219-a0cb-cef362f6f798)
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I stand by what I said ;D He had something wrong with him to die from being tazed. They did exacly what they were supposed to, nulified a potential threat. Try that shit in Germany or Russia and see what happens to you. They treat criminals the way they should be treated. The guy was throwing computers, that could be construed as a dangerous person, ya think ::) What are they gonna do, walk in and get bashed on the head. Your a fuggin retard. They used non deadly force and somthing whent wrong
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bounty's suck.. but what i want to know is what kind of fucking tazer was that, cuz i want one.. i dont even bother using mine on someone over 200 pounds, cuz they dont even feel it.
tough situation. he was throwing chairs at the ''police''.. what are you gonna do?give him a hug and ask him to settle down.. the police had nothing to do with him being there for 10 hours. but this guy certinly didnt deserve to die over it either.
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Agreed, he didnt deserve to die, but he brought it on himself. I just realized they said he was talking in english to the cops for 29 seconds, hhhhmmmmm, Did he have somthing to hide, pretending to not know english? ???
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I believe this happened in Canada.
I've not yet clicked your blue links. This just exactly the same thing happened yesterday in London, but fortunately the man didn't die
(you know they don't have guns here yet, well not really...
So the cops come at this guy on the top of a bus sitting there on his own and didn't like the look of his backpack so they put him out with a tazer gun. I'll find the newslink.
It's madness. Or not. I'm certain it's a whole lot better than shooting innocent people with a real gun. This guy fortunately didn't die, he just had an epileptic fit.
edit: can't find it, the google came up with "Does the media give you a fit?
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Dang, now see that sucks! Just minding your own bis and bam ;D
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We're on high alert 'terrorists have you within their eyesight' again in London. Not nice.
xL
But at least they've given the cops tazer guns rather than real guns. Next they'll teach them how to tell the difference between a South American and the Taliban.
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i hope each one of those cops dies a painfull death in the near future..
they would if that man ws my brother..
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I stand by what I said ;D He had something wrong with him to die from being tazed.
tazers dont just have 1 setting...
10 k volts woulda done the job..they used 50 k... :-\
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there not cops their bountys.. i drivin through that shit country and they pull me over.. they still give me shit after i showed them my federal badge. then they tell me they pulled me over because i had ny plates.. i said keep up the good work, your ontarios finest..there the equivilent to a mall security guard..
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there not cops their bountys.. i drivin through that shit country and they pull me over.. they still give me shit after i showed them my federal badge. then they tell me they pulled me over because i had ny plates.. i said keep up the good work, your ontarios finest..there the equivilent to a mall security guard..
They probably don't like arrogant Americans who come into our country and assume they can use their gestapo like storm-trooper techniques north of the border, ...as if a US federal badge means jack poop up here. Consider yourself lucky. The guys who pulled you over were nice guys. Flashing a police badge when pulled over can have seriously nasty ramifications for a cop this side of the border.
I found out by accident once while driving with my ex. There was a piece of junk beside us that for some reason didn't like the fact that we were in a Vette. He kept pulling up alongside us making rude comments about the car, and being general assholes. So I simply reached down into the console, pulled out his badge, and flashed in the window. The driver's eyes grew like giant basketballs, and he backed right off, but my ex almost freaked. He floored it to get well ahead of them while the driver was still in a momentary daze... before he could think enough to get the tags on the car. Apparently flashing your police badge to a member of the public when not on duty or performing official police business is a big no-no, ...and doing it when you've been pulled over by another cop is a waaaay big no-no. You're lucky they didn't try to make an example of you, 'cause you wouldn't have liked it.
As for the tasering cops, they weren't "mall security guards", they were Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) federal cops. Those guys certainly bring new meaning to the mountie motto of "We Always Get Our Man!"
The guy was not throwing chairs at the police. He was throwing chairs but not at anyone, he was demanding help, and wasn't getting it. In September, I had my plane changed and was forced to sit around the brand new Terminal 1 at Pearson airport in Toronto for TWELVE hours. I completely understand the frustration he was feeling, 'cause I almost lost my mind. I at least understood what was happening, could speak the language, and found plenty of international passengers to prospect about FFi :P
Can you imagine the nightmare when you don't even speak the language, and no one will help you?
That would never have happened at Pearson. Employees there speak so many languages it aint funny.
To make matters worse, one of the security guards kept insisting the guy spoke Russian. ::) All they had to do was check his passport. He was already in a secured baggage claim area, had already been screened through security and was clearly an unarmed man who posed no risk. The sad thing is when his first words spoken to the RCMP who showed up were translated, he was actually "thanking the men for coming because he knew they were there to rescue him" ...and ZAP! 50,000 volts of electricity coursed through his body sending him into convulsions on the floor. If that wasn't enough, ...while he was spasming & convulsing around on the floor, that bastard elected to taser him again. He must have been afraid all those convulsions might have taken out an eye or something. ::)
ps - If you were pulled over on an Ontario highway, they weren't federal RCMP, they were Ontario Provincial Police (OPP), who have jurisdiction on highways. The cops involved in the airport tasering incident were not "Ontario's finest", not even Ontario based. They were British Columbian RCMP not from Ontario. The difference is like comparing a California FBI agent to a NY State Trooper.
If there is any other ignorant & inaccurate illusions you have may about my country, I will be happy to enlighten you further. :)
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Taser is the way to go.
Too many idiots around thinking they have RIGHTS, thats the disease, taser is the cure.
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Freaking asshole got exactly what he desrved. Harsher punishment is needed in the U.S. Those cops did exactly what they should have, and should be commended for keeping an obviously dissturbed man off my or your plane. Like I always say " don't fight the cops and they won't fight you", only crimanals and people who are doing something wrong, get defensive.
You are one sick asshole. Try to imagine yourself in his position not knowing English and being trapped in the airport for 10hours with nobody speaking to you
I like to know what punishment the murdering pigs got?
BTW they could easely take him down without any weapons
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Why are you calling that brother, a sick asshole? I share his reasoning (dont fight the cops and they wont fight you).
Those "pigs" as you call them, are ment to protect assholes like you, so why should they deserve any punishment?
I bet you dont have the balls to stand in front of a "pig" and say that in his face.
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Why are you calling that brother, a sick asshole? I share his reasoning (dont fight the cops and they wont fight you).
Those "pigs" as you call them, are ment to protect assholes like you, so why should they deserve any punishment?
I bet you dont have the balls to stand in front of a "pig" and say that in his face.
They didn't have to use any deadly force they could have taking that guy down without the taser. they should have just speak to him to calm him down so they had no reason at all to kill him so they should be punished.
And i have called the cops pigs to there face several times so STFU
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You are one sick asshole. Try to imagine yourself in his position not knowing English and being trapped in the airport for 10hours with nobody speaking to you
I like to know what punishment the murdering pigs got?
BTW they could easely take him down without any weapons
understand the whole story and break it down.. he was held for 10 hours, not by the police.. he started throwing shit. he was not asking for help. throwing a chair at someone wont get you help no matter where your from.. the police showed up because of this.
so this guy had about 2 minutes of interaction with the police, but your blaming the whole 10 hours on them?
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i hope each one of those cops dies a painfull death in the near future..
they would if that man ws my brother..
Nobody cares what you hope for Achmed. You should be more grateful to the continent who took you in as a citizen.
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They didn't have to use any deadly force they could have taking that guy down without the taser. they should have just speak to him to calm him down so they had no reason at all to kill him so they should be punished.
And i have called the cops pigs to there face several times so STFU
thanks for meltdown
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They probably don't like arrogant Americans who come into our country and assume they can use their gestapo like storm-trooper techniques north of the border, ...as if a US federal badge means jack poop up here. Consider yourself lucky. The guys who pulled you over were nice guys. Flashing a police badge when pulled over can have seriously nasty ramifications for a cop this side of the border.
I found out by accident once while driving with my ex. There was a piece of junk beside us that for some reason didn't like the fact that we were in a Vette. He kept pulling up alongside us making rude comments about the car, and being general assholes. So I simply reached down into the console, pulled out his badge, and flashed in the window. The driver's eyes grew like giant basketballs, and he backed right off, but my ex almost freaked. He floored it to get well ahead of them while the driver was still in a momentary daze... before he could think enough to get the tags on the car. Apparently flashing your police badge to a member of the public when not on duty or performing official police business is a big no-no, ...and doing it when you've been pulled over by another cop is a waaaay big no-no. You're lucky they didn't try to make an example of you, 'cause you wouldn't have liked it.
As for the tasering cops, they weren't "mall security guards", they were Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) federal cops. Those guys certainly bring new meaning to the mountie motto of "We Always Get Our Man!"
The guy was not throwing chairs at the police. He was throwing chairs but not at anyone, he was demanding help, and wasn't getting it. In September, I had my plane changed and was forced to sit around the brand new Terminal 1 at Pearson airport in Toronto for TWELVE hours. I completely understand the frustration he was feeling, 'cause I almost lost my mind. I at least understood what was happening, could speak the language, and found plenty of international passengers to prospect about FFi :P
Can you imagine the nightmare when you don't even speak the language, and no one will help you?
That would never have happened at Pearson. Employees there speak so many languages it aint funny.
To make matters worse, one of the security guards kept insisting the guy spoke Russian. ::) All they had to do was check his passport. He was already in a secured baggage claim area, had already been screened through security and was clearly an unarmed man who posed no risk. The sad thing is when his first words spoken to the RCMP who showed up were translated, he was actually "thanking the men for coming because he knew they were there to rescue him" ...and ZAP! 50,000 volts of electricity coursed through his body sending him into convulsions on the floor. If that wasn't enough, ...while he was spasming & convulsing around on the floor, that bastard elected to taser him again. He must have been afraid all those convulsions might have taken out an eye or something. ::)
ps - If you were pulled over on an Ontario highway, they weren't federal RCMP, they were Ontario Provincial Police (OPP), who have jurisdiction on highways. The cops involved in the airport tasering incident were not "Ontario's finest", not even Ontario based. They were British Columbian RCMP not from Ontario. The difference is like comparing a California FBI agent to a NY State Trooper.
If there is any other ignorant & inaccurate illusions you have may about my country, I will be happy to enlighten you further. :)
first of all your driving in your car, having a conversation with the car next to you? huh? and he was making rude comments ::) and does your ex usually leave his badge lying around in the car? were does he keep his sidearm, between the seats?
do they even carry guns? i'd like to drop off a dozen mounties in jamaica queens. watch them shit their pants. it would be like watching the holy grail, "run away, run away"
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understand the whole story and break it down.. he was held for 10 hours, not by the police..
Yes kh300, you really should understand the story. He was NOT held for 10 hours.
He was in a foreign country, not speaking the language and follwing the instructions he was given by his mother to wait there. He could not leave those glass doors, because once he did, he would NOT be able to return, and that was where his mother said she was picking him up from.
he started throwing shit. he was not asking for help.
His thowing shit was exactly his plea for help. he knew smashing the computer, would bring authorities. Just like the car-jack victim who knows that speeding in a radar trap will get a cop coming to you in no time.
throwing a chair at someone wont get you help no matter where your from.. the police showed up because of this.
He didn't throw a chair at anyone. Is there something wrong with your comprehension skills.
The police showed up just as he wanted them to, ...and despite being told he spoke no english, they still decided to speak to the guy in English. When the police arrived, the first words out of his mouth were thanking them for coming because he knew they would save him. They sure saved him from having to spend anymore time in the airport alright!
so this guy had about 2 minutes of interaction with the police, but your blaming the whole 10 hours on them?
No the guy did not have 2 minutes of interaction with the police, ...he had 29 seconds of interaction with the police speaking to him in a language they were clearly informed he did not understand, ...before he was assaulted, and subsequently killed. 29 seconds = less than 1/2 minute. If these are examples of your observation skills, or your reading comprehension skills, I pity the people whose cases you investigate. Do you ever even solve any of them, ...or do you just pick some unlucky sob, convince yourself of his guilt, then proceed to frame him and hope everyone else is as intellectually challenged as you appear to me to be? Or am I giving you too much credit by assuming you've even reached investigative ranks? Are you still stuck in the storm trooper brigade?
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first of all your driving in your car, having a conversation with the car next to you? huh? and he was making rude comments ::)
No, the ex was driving, I was in the passenger seat, and the hillbilly rednecks had pulled up along side us.
We were not having a conversation with them, they were shouting obscenities and making rude comments.
(not to mention obstructing my view of our beautiful countryside)
and does your ex usually leave his badge lying around in the car?
When we got into the car, he placed both his wallet, and his badge in the console.
were does he keep his sidearm, between the seats?
Why do you ask, ...do you plan on stealing it?
do they even carry guns?
The next time you happen to be in our great country, why don't you find out?
Will you be coming with the next load of political refugees from the US, ...the ideological refugees,
...or the ever increasing numbers of economic refugees seeking asylum in our land?
i'd like to drop off a dozen mounties in jamaica queens. watch them shit their pants. it would be like watching the holy grail, "run away, run away"
If it gives you comfort to think so, ...I won't disabuse you of your little fantasy.
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thanks for meltdown
Pwn3d ;)
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I stand by what I said ;D He had something wrong with him to die from being tazed. They did exacly what they were supposed to, nulified a potential threat. Try that shit in Germany or Russia and see what happens to you. They treat criminals the way they should be treated. The guy was throwing computers, that could be construed as a dangerous person, ya think ::) What are they gonna do, walk in and get bashed on the head. Your a fuggin retard. They used non deadly force and somthing whent wrong
Yea, he had something wrong with him alright, ...that man twitched & convulsed for what seemed like forever. The video I saw showed him flopping around while the cops stood around watching him flop like a fish out of water. Then they blasted him again, elliciting more twitching before piling on him. I'm sure the weight of the police officer delivered through the knee to the throat that continued to obstruct his breathing, ...even after he was already cuffed certainly didn't help his ability to breathe any.
There are some serious discrepancies between the police version of events and what actual video footage shows, and this is causing a huge stink as well as an international incident. There is no ducking this one, ...there will be accountability.
A Dream Of A New Life Gone Horribly Wrong
Nathan Vanderklippe
National Post
Saturday, November 17, 2007
VANCOUVER -Robert Dziekanski was born an only child in Bielawa, a small town of 30,000 in the southwestern corner of Poland that is within sight of the Sowie Mountains, which divide his home country from the Czech Republic.
He would never cross that border, or any other, until he was 40 and left Poland to join his mother in distant Canada, his bags packed with geography books that had long sustained his unfulfilled world fascination, his pockets empty of the cigarettes he had discarded in favour of healthier beginnings.
His baggage is today all that remains of his immigration to Canada and it, almost more than anything else, speaks to the dreams that brought him to what was to be his new country.
"You have only three small suitcases. What would you take with you? Tough decision, is it not? Not for Robert. He stuffed one suitcase with some clothes and gifts for relatives and two suitcases full of geography books, atlases and magazines like National Geographic," according to a speech being delivered today at a public memorial.
Less than 12 hours after he landed, Mr. Dziekanski was dead, leaving behind a grief-stricken mother to mourn her "beautiful son" and numerous troubling questions about both the RCMP Taser that felled him moments before his death and the travellers and myriad airport staff who seemed unsympathetic to his plight until, in a fit of distress, he began to toss around airport property.
The death of the man who faithfully scribbled his mother proverbs about "goodness" has already sparked four official investigations and furious questions in Parliament. Some of the questions --like why he was ignored for 6 ½ hours in a baggage hall, or what made him so agitated that he resorted to destroying property --may never find satisfactory answers.
Even a month later, most of Mr. Dziekanski's hours in Canada -- the last of his life-- remain a mystery. He boarded an airplane for the first time in his life in Katowice and, after a short hop to Frankfurt, transferred to an Air Condor flight direct to Vancouver.
He was scheduled to arrive at about 1:40 p.m., but the plane did not arrive until an hour and a half later.
By that time, his mother, Zofia Cisowski, had already been waiting in the international arrivals area for well over an hour. Instead of flying her son to her home in Kamloops, the 61-year-old late-night cleaner had paid a man to drive her to Vancouver. She wanted her son to see for himself the views along the scenery-drenched mountain road to his new home.
It was a route he would likely have been familiar with after having received maps of the area from his mother.
She had spent years saving to bring him to Canada, and had finally attained the $20,778 annual income she needed to sponsor him into the country. She herself was sponsored into Canada by the brother of a Polish friend, an ex-miner in nearby Logan Lake, B.C., 20 years her senior whom she would eventually marry.
In the English classes she took at Kamloops Immigrant Services shortly after her arrival eight years ago, her former instructor remembers the way she answered a question about her family using the only words she could muster: "One son. Poland. Robert."
Ms. Cisowski had become a widow when her son was still a boy and had gone in search of better work 200 kilometres away in Gliwice, a town of 200,000 not far from Krakow. One of Europe's oldest industrial regions, Gliwice's lifeblood was its coal mines and ironworks -- it had been known in earlier days as "Prussia's armoury" -- but Ms. Cisowski chose another rough-and-tumble profession. She became a carpenter, a job she held until she took up clerical work.
Her son, meanwhile, was growing up. Mr. Dziekanski followed a well-trodden route in Gliwice, graduating from a technical high school as a miner. He never worked underground. Instead, he took up construction, which he did well according to a co-worker quoted in a Polish newspaper report.
"He was a good worker. He did drywall, painting and tiles," Janusz Pawliczak told the western daily, Dziennik Zachodni. "Whenever we had an especially demanding customer, we would send Robert."
It was work he planned to continue in Canada, where he dreamed of making enough money from the West Coast construction boom that he and his mother could start up their own cleaning company and hire their own workers.
It was a fresh hope for a man who had, according to the Polish newspaper account, a somewhat troubled youth. The report said Mr. Dziekanski developed a thick file at the local police station, and had committed petty theft and robbery while under the influence.
Ms. Cisowski told Agnieszka Krupak, a reporter for the Canadian Polish-language newspaper Gazeta, that her son had broken the law when he was 17, but that his record had since been cleared by two decades of good behaviour -- a necessary precursor to his being allowed to immigrate to Canada.
Those close to the family said that the grieving Ms. Cisowski is struggling to deal with the fresh wounds that came from watching the video of her son's death.
She has spoken with Ms. Krupak more than a dozen times since her son was killed, and in those conversations said that Mr. Dziekanski drank seldom, save on special occasions, and left Poland in part to escape a booze-addled girlfriend.
Reports in Poland have told a conflicting story -- that he had planned to bring his girlfriend, Elzbiete Dubon, to Canada when he had enough money, and that she had suffered a nervous breakdown upon hearing of his death. A Polish TV report also suggested that Mr. Dziekanski had been reluctant to leave Poland, and had only done so after years of persuasion by his mother.
His mother has described her son in Canadian media reports as a "very good boy" who was "handsome" and "strong."
Mr. Dziekanski had "absolutely never" experienced mental health problems, according to Ms. Krupak, the Polish-Canadian reporter, and spent much of his time nurturing a fascination with geography. He collected maps and atlases, which he pored over, committing to memory the names of the world's major rivers and capital cities.
As he prepared to leave for Canada, he stuffed two of his three small suitcases with geography books and copies of National Geographic. As he walked into the Katowice airport, nervous before for his first-ever flight, he handed his last three packs of cigarettes to a stranger. When his mother called him on his cellphone shortly before he boarded, he proudly told her that he was kicking the habit for her. He was a new man now. He would no longer smoke.
Ms. Cisowski had told him to wait for her at the baggage carousel when he arrived and told him that if he felt lost he should find Polish people. They would always be there to help him, she said. Those would be her last words to him.
A day later Mr. Dziekanski landed in Vancouver and walked up to the primary inspection row of customs agents, showing no signs of anything abnormal, according to officials at the Vancouver Airport Authority who have reviewed surveillance videos. He did not speak any English but by about 4 p.m. had cleared customs and entered the baggage hall.
Here, the other passengers on his flight picked up their bags and exited past a customs secondary inspection area to the public arrivals area beyond. But Mr. Dziekanski had been told by his mother to wait by his bags. And so he waited. What he did there remains unknown -- the international baggage area is controlled by the Canada Border Security Agency, and it has declined to comment on the events of the day.
All that is known is that Mr. Dziekanski was there for a very long time. Less than 100 metres away, his mother was waiting, too. She was, in the words of her lawyer Walter Kosteckyj, "just basically hyper-excited to see her son."
As her son was clearing primary inspection, the anxious mother made her first trip to an arrivals-level information desk to inquire about her son. She was told the immigration process often caused delays, and that she needn't worry yet. So she waited.
As the hours passed, she returned to the information desk at least twice more and, finally, asked to speak with a supervisor. She was told to go up an escalator to a departures-level info desk.
Somewhere between 7 p.m. and 8 p.m., she convinced one of the information officers to page her son, but the officer mispronounced his name so poorly she worried he would not understand his own name. Despite asking, she was not allowed to speak over the PA system herself. Even had she been given the microphone, however, her words would not have reached his ears, because the public address system did not broadcast into the customs hall where he was waiting.
As she sought help at the information desks, the man who drove her to Vancouver -- who spoke fluent English -- walked into a customs and immigration area to ask whether anyone there could help. He learned nothing.
Two hours later, at 9:30 p.m., he returned, picked up a phone and again spoke to an official. It is unclear who he spoke to, but according to Mr. Kosteckyj, the lawyer, he was told: "I can tell you that there's no Polish immigrant here tonight."
It was becoming clear to Ms. Cisowski that her son was not there. At 10 p.m., she approached an information desk for at least the sixth time. With no new information, and with the signal from an official that her son was not there, she decided he must have somehow missed his flight. She left the airport, and set out for her four-hour drive home.
She could not have known that minutes after she left, her son's wait finally ended when he presented himself to secondary inspection officials, who helped him with his luggage. Two hours later, according to the official account, he cleared immigration.
Someone had communicated with him well enough to process him as a new immigrant. Yet as he left the secure area more than nine hours after touching down in Vancouver, he remained alone and helpless.
At about 1:15 a.m., he began to grow erratic--opening and closing the automatic door that divides the two areas. He was sweating. He threw a folding table, then a computer.
At 1:20 a.m., airport operations received two reports about his behaviour. Five minutes later, security officials arrived. The four RCMP officers came shortly after. The video of their arrival shows them walking past the airport's Clayoquot carved wooden figures, whose outstretched arms of welcome Mr. Dziekanski never reached.
He calls for police and, according to Polish speakers who have seen the video, threatens to sue.
About twenty-five seconds after one of the officers asks, "How are you doing, sir?" Mr. Dziekanski is hit with the first 50,000-volt jolt from the Taser. He screams. Less than a minute after RCMP first approach him, he grows silent. Not long after, he is pronounced dead.
A subsequent toxicology report found no drugs or alcohol in his system. So what triggered his bizarre conduct? Ms. Krupak, the Polish-Canadian reporter, suggests it may have been an attempt to get a response from the police he believed would help him. Ludwik Tokarczuk, president of the Canadian Polish Conference, says any normal person in his condition would have reacted the same way.
"He was without sleep, without food because he couldn't probably ask for any food. He was without cigarettes, and in withdrawal from nicotine," he said.
In an especially cruel twist, Ms. Cisowski herself would not find out about any of her son's actions that night until many hours later. She arrived home at 2 a.m. to find a message waiting: "It's Canada Immigration calling, Vancouver International Airport for Zofia. Well, we're expecting her to be here, I guess, picking up her relative. If she is not, you can return this call."
She did, and half an hour later reached someone who told her that her son was waiting for her. Mr. Dziekanski had at this time already been dead for an hour. But that is not what Ms. Cisowski was told. She took a bus and arrived in the afternoon, and it was not until then that she was confronted with the horrible news.
In his eulogy at a memorial service today, Jurek Baltakis, a leader in the Kamloops Polish community, will remember that act as a mother's heart-wrenching bid to leave her only son--a man whose death seems so remarkably stupid -- with a gift so "he can make his last trip to eternity and remember that he was a Polish- Canadian."
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It was reported that Dziekanski was cremated and his mother scattered half of his ashes in Poland, and the other half in Canada.
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Mourners express anger, frustration over
death of Taser victim
Jennifer Saltman
Vancouver Province
Saturday, November 17, 2007
KAMLOOPS, B.C. - As her son's 40 years played out before her in photos and song, Zofia Cisowski told mourners the story of Robert Dziekanski's life at his funeral Saturday.
"This is at home . . . This is my brother's wife . . . Robert was a godfather," she explained in a strong, but tear-choked voice.
Friends had worried the grief-stricken mother wouldn't be able to attend the funeral, but she sat in the front row, flanked and supported by friends and family.
Dziekanski died after he was tasered and restrained by four RCMP officers at Vancouver International Airport Oct. 14.
Speakers shared stories about his life and expressed their frustration, anger and outrage over how he died.
Dziekanski was born an only child in Bielawa, a small town of 30,000 in southwest Poland near the Czech border.
His voyage to Kamloops to live with his mother was the first time Dziekanski had left his country.
He arrived in Canada with only three suitcases. In one, he packed clothing and gifts. The other two were filled with geography books, atlases and Polish geography magazines.
"I have it on good authority that he knew more about Canada than most of us that live here," said Father Nicholas Forde.
Dziekanski read voraciously, and North America and Canada were his favourite subjects.
Cisowski's friend Jurek Baltakis said Dziekanski spent over nine hours at the airport before his death, "lost, confused, thirsty and hungry, and ignored by all."
Baltakis' disbelief and anger were echoed by other speakers.
"We all share similar sentiments regarding the manner in which his life came to a catastrophic and abrupt end. After seven years of waiting, (Dziekanski) arrived to his utopia, Vancouver. Ten hours later, he was dead.," said the Polish consul-general, Maciej Krych.
"We support (institutions), we defend them, but they are not always just. They failed Robert," Father Waldemar Karciarz told the mourners.
"What happened the other day to that lovely son of yours was brought about by a whole slew of misunderstandings, ordinances that added up to nothing, that read well on a piece of paper but put into practice were just foolish," Father Forde echoed.
Ludwik Tokarczuk, president of the Polish-Canadian Kongres of B.C., promised that the people responsible for Dziekanski's death will be brought to justice.
His wife, Danuta, called the airport, customs officials' and RCMP's actions inexcusable.
"I'm appalled that such a simple procedure . . . would end up in such a tragic way," she said. "Somebody died and it shouldn't happen. I'm angry.
"The Polish community and the community at large are expecting some answers and demanding that the agencies involved will admit that what happened was wrong, and also to make sure that this will not occur in the future."
Trudy Dirk, formerly of the Kamloops Immigrant Society, said she was sad that Canada let down a woman who was so devoted to her adopted country.
"Robert was her shining light," she said. "A day that should have been one of the happiest of her life turned into a terrible, heartbreaking tragedy.
"I'm appalled by the events that led to Robert's death."
Ricki Bagnall, also spoke at the memorial service. His son Robert died after being tasered by police in a Vancouver hotel room in 2004.
"The deaths of our sons has become a focal point in an international anti-Taser campaign. People all over the world are taking note of the brutal side effects of this supposedly less-than-lethal form of subjugation," Bagnall said.
After the service, a red-eyed and unsteady Cisowski spoke briefly to the media.
"I just like to thank you all who came today to Robert's ceremony. I hope that everyone will remember my son Robert as a good, loving boy, a good, loving human being. My family loved him so much they cry all the time.
"I love him so much."
Half of Dziekanski's ashes will be laid to rest in Kamloops. His mother will take the other half to be buried in Poland.
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no way the taser killed him. not enough volts to kill a mouse, never mind a large adult male.
i'd say what the guy died from was positional asphyxia. he was under a great deal of stress, wasn't breathing correctly, muscles seizing up and a bunch of large cops with heavy acroutrements bearing down on him. one was leaning on the guy's throat while he was struggling to breathe and didn't move from that postiton. might aswell have hooked a cruicifix on him and held it until he died. would have had the same effect.
the cops could have definitely handled that better, but the taser wasn't the fault at all. the taser is an excellent weapon for law enforcement, more for the fact that there are A LOT LESS INJURIES AND DEATHS. just taser the guy, grapple and handcuff, easy and no mess.
having said that, fuck it, shit happens. do you know how many people die in accidental deaths every day?
hey, you don't want to get run over by a vehicle, don't go playing on the street.
you don't want to get injured or killed by a cop, don't fuck with them and do what you're told. the police uniform is pretty universal. the guy didn't have to understand english to know that what he was doing was wrong and what the police required him to do.
some moron on this thread says, 'yeah, but they cornered him.'
so, if a bunch of cops corner me i put my hands up and stand fucking still, no matter where i am in the world. of course i wouldn't go smashing things and threatening people trying to help in the first place though. :-\
simple common dog fuck really.
hope this helps.
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no way the taser killed him. not enough volts to kill a mouse, never mind a large adult male.
i'd say what the guy died from was positional asphyxia. he was under a great deal of stress, wasn't breathing correctly, muscles seizing up and a bunch of large cops with heavy acroutrements bearing down on him. one was leaning on the guy's throat while he was struggling to breathe and didn't move from that postiton. might aswell have hooked a cruicifix on him and held it until he died. would have had the same effect.
That may very well be true.
the cops could have definitely handled that better,
ALOT of people including the cops should have handled that better.
but the taser wasn't the fault at all. the taser is an excellent weapon for law enforcement, more for the fact that there are A LOT LESS INJURIES AND DEATHS.
Problem is a taser is not intended to be used as a "weapon for law enforcement", ...but rather as a TOOL.
Just like a carpenters hammer, or Barry Bonds' bat. They are designed for use as tools for those participating in those activities, ...they can also be used as weapons. That night, the cops used their tools as assault weapons imo.
just taser the guy, grapple and handcuff, easy and no mess.
He shouldn't have been tasered to begin with. :'( It should not have even escalated to the point where he felt it was necessary to call for the police. Bare in mind, it was he who summoned them, when those present, those who were supposed to help him, did not.
having said that, fuck it, shit happens. do you know how many people die in accidental deaths every day?
hey, you don't want to get run over by a vehicle, don't go playing on the street.
you don't want to get injured or killed by a cop, don't fuck with them and do what you're told.
But that's the point of this. He wasn't f**king with them, and one can only do as one is told when one understands the instructions given to him. The police were very clearly informed he spoke no english, ...yet instead of determining what language he spoke so communication could take place, they chose to speak to him in a language they knew he did not understand, then taser him? :-\ As for doing as he was told, that is exactly what he did. Clearly doing as he was told was not an issue for him. The police however appear to not even give him any opportunity to "do as he was told" because he was not told to do anything by them. He was asked how he was doing, in a language they knew he could not understand ...then he was ZAPPED. They did however manage to tell one of their colleagues to "Zap him again", while he was already down on the ground convulsing with seizures, ...which the cop gladly complied with.
the police uniform is pretty universal.
YES it is, ...and upon their arrival, he recognized them as police officers expressing gratitude to them for coming because he knew they would save him. Our Royal Canadian Mounted Police have enjoyed a stellar worldwide reputation for good reason since their inception. I'm sure this will impact that.
the guy didn't have to understand english to know that what he was doing was wrong and what the police required him to do.
What he was doing was wrong? what he was doing was summoning the police... the very police he thought would save him, when all others ignored him and refused to help him.
some moron on this thread says, 'yeah, but they cornered him.'
so, if a bunch of cops corner me i put my hands up and stand fucking still, no matter where i am in the world.
Reports say that's exactly what he did ...then ZAP!
of course i wouldn't go smashing things and threatening people trying to help in the first place though. :-\
Smashing things was the only way he could get the police summoned. He was calling for the police, and threatening to sue those who ignored his pleas for help or for the police. That's like telling the car jack victim s/he deserves to be pistol whipped by cops for running a red light in their presence, or for speeding through a known radar trap in an attempt to attract law enforcement. I mean, it's not like the car jacker sitting in the passenger seat beside them is going to summon the police on their behalf is it?
Talk about falling through the cracks. That was one big colossal ginormous black hole. We'll see what the inquiries reveal, ...so far there have been 4 official inquiries called both here in Canada and in Poland.
simple common dog fuck really.
hope this helps.
Evidently not so simple in this case.
I have my own personal theory of what probably happened. I think he learned his mother was there and after waiting for so many hours and being told he was not there, had just left minutes before, for what he knew would be a long 4 hour drive home. I believe his was a desperate bid to ensure her 8 hours round trip would not be a waste of time & money, forcing him to be stuck there for a further indefinite stay, and he was desperate to have her intercepted before she left the airport. Remember, his first words to the RCMP were to thank them for coming because he knew they would save him. Hours go by without any assistance, yet as soon as he smashes a computer, ...here come the cops. I think that was what happened. We can only imagine his fear and frustration tho.
In September, after I went through a 12 hour ordeal which I managed to make the best of... I was at least able to call Florida at 9am to tell FFi that instead of my plane arriving at 11am as planned, it would instead be arriving at 11pm. 12 hours in an airport is not fun. As I left the plane I ran into a Croatian guy who had connected to my flight through Montreal. He was finishing up the enrollment forms for the women he met on the plane. :P As my luck would have it, the woman seated next to me was already an FFi distributor. After departing the plane, the shuttle train let us off on Side B of the airport, but baggage from that flight was instead sent to Side A. After running around and finally retrieving my luggage I went to where my limo was supposed to be waiting, and no limo. By now it's midnight, and I'm totally wired and exhausted, but it wasn't that bad. I at least spoke the language. John and I connected again, because he too was wondering around the airport looking for the limo. He waited on Side B, while I waited on Side A, finally we managed to reach someone from corporate who assured us the driver would be there and to look for the red FFi shirt. The owner of the limo company finally showed up. It turns out he was there, but, he informed us the reason he was not here to greet us was because of a delayed flight from Korea that he felt was rightly his first priority. He felt 2 passengers from Canada flying in on the same plane would be okay, but he needed to make sure he was there to meet a Korean lady who spoke no english, and who was herself travelling alone. Afterwards he had to go through the entire airport to make sure his list of FFi passengers that day were all accounted for. Then he needed to check with the hotel to make sure all of the names not crossed off his list had already checked into the hotel, or to confirm they had not made their flights, so he was not leaving anyone behind. This process resulted in further delays in the 3 of us getting to the hotel, but it was cool cause we knew everything was fine. Despite neither myself nor John speaking any Korean, we still managed to communicate with each other through sign language, and teach each other various little words. By now it was close to 1am before he finally felt assured enough to call one of his drivers to come get us. His fleet of limos were on the road all day back & forth between the airport and our hotel picking up FFi reps from over 68 countries. He was exhausted, ...but happily so, ...FFi is his best customer.
I know how tired, frustrated, and wired I was, but at least I understood everything going on around me, had access to plenty of food (Starbucks, Wolfgang Pucks, and a tasty little Korean cake that our colleague shared with us) and found airport personnel to be very helpful, ...infact a little too helpful, and overly-friendly for my liking :-X I can only imagine what such a long flight from Frankfurt to Vancouver must have taken out of him, ...then to be waiting for 10 hrs without assistance, unable to communicate with those who tried to help, not getting assistance from those whose obligation it was to help him, ...only to possibly discover such a colossal screw up? I'd be more than a little wrangy myself. :-\
I know how uncomfortable I am at my sisters's condo, and that's within our own city. At the time she bought it, Toronto saw a HUGE influx of Hong Kong residents fleeing before the island was turned back over to China. We were just emerging from a devastating recession, and the only people with the money to invest at that time were the new ex-pats from Hong Kong. The whole building was pretty much bought up by the Chinese with the exception of maybe just a few units. When you go through the common areas, the health club, the bowling alley, the movie theatre, the juice bar etc, ...everything is in bloody Chinese. There are the odd bilingual signs that have both English & Chinese characters, but on the encased notice board near the mailboxes, just about every notice was in Chinese. I asked my sister how she had previously managed to live there like that. I could never imagine myself living in a place where I could not understand the language spoken around me. Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NOTHING against the Chinese, it could be any nationality, ...it's just the idea of being suddenly immersed in a foreign language you do not speak, and not having the ability to communicate with anyone or get your bearings.
He must have gone through hell. Tired, hungry, dehydrated, and going through nicotine withdrawal. :'(
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who is actually going to read all this ??
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who is actually going to read all this ??
umm... someone without ADHD? :D
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or someone with no life :D
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Terror police 'shot' man in coma
Nicholas Gaubert
A man who had gone into a diabetic coma on a bus in Leeds was shot twice with a Taser gun by police who feared he may have been a security threat.
Nicholas Gaubert has described how the incident happened, just a week before the fatal shooting of Brazilian man Jean Charles de Menezes.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating.
Mr Gaubert, who lives in Leeds, said he had now decided to speak out after the Crown Prosecution Service ruled no officers involved should be charged with any criminal offences.
The IPCC is still considering whether any disciplinary matters will be brought against the officers.
Armed police deployed
Mr Gaubert said he was on his way to meet friends when he suffered a fit on the bus and slipped into a coma which left him slumped on his seat clutching his rucksack.
Armed police were called to the bus depot in Headingley and when he failed to respond to their challenges he was shot with the Taser.
He said as this was happening, another officer was pointing a real gun at his head.
He was restrained and eventually came round in the police van.
He said it was only then that the officers realised it was a medical emergency, despite him wearing a medical tag round his neck to warn of his condition, and took him to hospital.
Mr Gaubert said he was told the police believed he looked "Egyptian".
Mr Gaubert's solicitor Ifti Manzoor said the incident had clear parallels with the shooting of Mr Menezes at Stockwell tube station and showed there was evidence of a breakdown in communication between the police on the ground and their commanders.
Mr Gaubert said: "When I heard about that Brazilian man in London I just thought, 'oh no, that could have been me'."
Mr Manzoor added: "The evidence is there was an order that officers be deployed and contain the scene. This direct order seems to have been ignored.
"I really appreciate that under the circumstances and at that time the police had an enormously difficult job.
"But Mr Gaubert was alone in a bus depot.
"He is completely traumatised by this. He is living with it every day."
'Potential security threat'
A statement from the IPCC said: "The IPCC managed an investigation into an incident in which West Yorkshire Police discharged a Taser at a man while he sat on a bus in Leeds.
"The man was mistakenly treated as a potential security threat when he was, in fact, in a hypoglycaemic state. The investigation report was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
"The CPS returned its initial decision stating that no officers should be charged with any criminal offences.
"Consideration was then given by the CPS as to whether any offences had been committed under health and safety law.
"A decision was received recently to advise that no charges would be brought under this legislation.
"The IPCC must determine whether any disciplinary matters need to be considered against the officers involved.
"Initial recommendations regarding discipline put forward by the police forces involved have not been agreed by the IPCC and discussions are ongoing. "
West Yorkshire Police said the matter was in the hands of the IPCC.
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That may very well be true.
ALOT of people including the cops should have handled that better.
Problem is a taser is not intended to be used as a "weapon for law enforcement", ...but rather as a TOOL.
Just like a carpenters hammer, or Barry Bonds' bat. They are designed for use as tools for those participating in those activities, ...they can also be used as weapons. That night, the cops used their tools as assault weapons imo.
He shouldn't have been tasered to begin with. :'( It should not have even escalated to the point where he felt it was necessary to call for the police. Bare in mind, it was he who summoned them, when those present, those who were supposed to help him, did not.
But that's the point of this. He wasn't f**king with them, and one can only do as one is told when one understands the instructions given to him. The police were very clearly informed he spoke no english, ...yet instead of determining what language he spoke so communication could take place, they chose to speak to him in a language they knew he did not understand, then taser him? :-\ As for doing as he was told, that is exactly what he did. Clearly doing as he was told was not an issue for him. The police however appear to not even give him any opportunity to "do as he was told" because he was not told to do anything by them. He was asked how he was doing, in a language they knew he could not understand ...then he was ZAPPED. They did however manage to tell one of their colleagues to "Zap him again", while he was already down on the ground convulsing with seizures, ...which the cop gladly complied with.
YES it is, ...and upon their arrival, he recognized them as police officers expressing gratitude to them for coming because he knew they would save him. Our Royal Canadian Mounted Police have enjoyed a stellar worldwide reputation for good reason since their inception. I'm sure this will impact that.
What he was doing was wrong? what he was doing was summoning the police... the very police he thought would save him, when all others ignored him and refused to help him.
Reports say that's exactly what he did ...then ZAP!
Smashing things was the only way he could get the police summoned. He was calling for the police, and threatening to sue those who ignored his pleas for help or for the police. That's like telling the car jack victim s/he deserves to be pistol whipped by cops for running a red light in their presence, or for speeding through a known radar trap in an attempt to attract law enforcement. I mean, it's not like the car jacker sitting in the passenger seat beside them is going to summon the police on their behalf is it?
Talk about falling through the cracks. That was one big colossal ginormous black hole. We'll see what the inquiries reveal, ...so far there have been 4 official inquiries called both here in Canada and in Poland.
Evidently not so simple in this case.
I have my own personal theory of what probably happened. I think he learned his mother was there and after waiting for so many hours and being told he was not there, had just left minutes before, for what he knew would be a long 4 hour drive home. I believe his was a desperate bid to ensure her 8 hours round trip would not be a waste of time & money, forcing him to be stuck there for a further indefinite stay, and he was desperate to have her intercepted before she left the airport. Remember, his first words to the RCMP were to thank them for coming because he knew they would save him. Hours go by without any assistance, yet as soon as he smashes a computer, ...here come the cops. I think that was what happened. We can only imagine his fear and frustration tho.
In September, after I went through a 12 hour ordeal which I managed to make the best of... I was at least able to call Florida at 9am to tell FFi that instead of my plane arriving at 11am as planned, it would instead be arriving at 11pm. 12 hours in an airport is not fun. As I left the plane I ran into a Croatian guy who had connected to my flight through Montreal. He was finishing up the enrollment forms for the women he met on the plane. :P As my luck would have it, the woman seated next to me was already an FFi distributor. After departing the plane, the shuttle train let us off on Side B of the airport, but baggage from that flight was instead sent to Side A. After running around and finally retrieving my luggage I went to where my limo was supposed to be waiting, and no limo. By now it's midnight, and I'm totally wired and exhausted, but it wasn't that bad. I at least spoke the language. John and I connected again, because he too was wondering around the airport looking for the limo. He waited on Side B, while I waited on Side A, finally we managed to reach someone from corporate who assured us the driver would be there and to look for the red FFi shirt. The owner of the limo company finally showed up. It turns out he was there, but, he informed us the reason he was not here to greet us was because of a delayed flight from Korea that he felt was rightly his first priority. He felt 2 passengers from Canada flying in on the same plane would be okay, but he needed to make sure he was there to meet a Korean lady who spoke no english, and who was herself travelling alone. Afterwards he had to go through the entire airport to make sure his list of FFi passengers that day were all accounted for. Then he needed to check with the hotel to make sure all of the names not crossed off his list had already checked into the hotel, or to confirm they had not made their flights, so he was not leaving anyone behind. This process resulted in further delays in the 3 of us getting to the hotel, but it was cool cause we knew everything was fine. Despite neither myself nor John speaking any Korean, we still managed to communicate with each other through sign language, and teach each other various little words. By now it was close to 1am before he finally felt assured enough to call one of his drivers to come get us. His fleet of limos were on the road all day back & forth between the airport and our hotel picking up FFi reps from over 68 countries. He was exhausted, ...but happily so, ...FFi is his best customer.
I know how tired, frustrated, and wired I was, but at least I understood everything going on around me, had access to plenty of food (Starbucks, Wolfgang Pucks, and a tasty little Korean cake that our colleague shared with us) and found airport personnel to be very helpful, ...infact a little too helpful, and overly-friendly for my liking :-X I can only imagine what such a long flight from Frankfurt to Vancouver must have taken out of him, ...then to be waiting for 10 hrs without assistance, unable to communicate with those who tried to help, not getting assistance from those whose obligation it was to help him, ...only to possibly discover such a colossal screw up? I'd be more than a little wrangy myself. :-\
I know how uncomfortable I am at my sisters's condo, and that's within our own city. At the time she bought it, Toronto saw a HUGE influx of Hong Kong residents fleeing before the island was turned back over to China. We were just emerging from a devastating recession, and the only people with the money to invest at that time were the new ex-pats from Hong Kong. The whole building was pretty much bought up by the Chinese with the exception of maybe just a few units. When you go through the common areas, the health club, the bowling alley, the movie theatre, the juice bar etc, ...everything is in bloody Chinese. There are the odd bilingual signs that have both English & Chinese characters, but on the encased notice board near the mailboxes, just about every notice was in Chinese. I asked my sister how she had previously managed to live there like that. I could never imagine myself living in a place where I could not understand the language spoken around me. Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NOTHING against the Chinese, it could be any nationality, ...it's just the idea of being suddenly immersed in a foreign language you do not speak, and not having the ability to communicate with anyone or get your bearings.
He must have gone through hell. Tired, hungry, dehydrated, and going through nicotine withdrawal. :'(
taser = force option = weapon - for police to use if confronted with aggression, which they were. he did NOT stand still and put his hands up so quit being disingenuous in a das attempt to prove your point.
it is not a tool. the only tool here is you, who wasn't even there but thinks they know the whole story.
i'd love to see how a moron like you would police your suburb/town/city.
'oh, excuse me sir, didn't you get your complimentary coffee and a donut, cigarettes and mummy. well please feel free to thrown that chair at my head.' ::)
you're an idiot. have a nice day. :D
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taser = force option = weapon - for police to use if confronted with aggression, which they were. he did NOT stand still and put his hands up so quit being disingenuous in a das attempt to prove your point.
it is not a tool. the only tool here is you, who wasn't even there but thinks they know the whole story.
i'd love to see how a moron like you would police your suburb/town/city.
'oh, excuse me sir, didn't you get your complimentary coffee and a donut, cigarettes and mummy. well please feel free to thrown that chair at my head.' ::)
you're an idiot. have a nice day. :D
:-\ I thought your posting style looked a little familiar but chose to ignore it at the time.
Actually he was NOT aggressive towards the police. I never said I knew everything that happened,
I said I have my own personal theory. Theory doesn't equal fact, and I clearly stated it was my opinion.
ps - You're STILL an idiot, and I hope you have a shitty day!
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:-\ I thought your posting style looked a little familiar but chose to ignore it at the time.
Actually he was NOT aggressive towards the police. I never said I knew everything that happened,
I said I have my own personal theory. Theory doesn't equal fact, and I clearly stated it was my opinion.
ps - You're STILL[/] an idiot, and I hope you have a shitty day!
;D thankyou so much.
no, you're right and the video footage is wrong raguare. he was as calm as a kitten. those chairs and other objects weren't really getting thrown against the glass while a lady was trying to help him and those security guards didn't feel threatened at all. for the life of me, i can't work out why police were even called in the first place, never mind the amount of backup that went there. airport staff and security at canada do that sort of thing all the time, stir people up so they can watch them smash their property and scare the hell out of staff and customers.
gee rag, i wonder what would happen to me if i went to his country and started behaving like that? perhaps i should try it? afterall it is standard practise around the world to behave like a lunatic to get help. oh, hello, i've been waiting in this que a while now, i think i'll throw a chair at the cashier. ;)
tell me something raguare, have you always been a complete fuckwit or did you have to take lessons?
you have a really great day too sweety. :D
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beast your fucking retarded.
Was the man aggressive and pissed off? YES just like anyone would be.
Now, was he a danger to anyone? No he made no guesture to people around him or the police to say he was threatening an actual person.
Did the taser kill him? he had an underlining condition which the taser mad worse.
So what we are saying her is no the taser wouldnt kill a health person so the police shouldnt be prosecuted with manslaugher? wrong!
If a man who had just had a heart transplant walked out of hospital and was punched in the chest and died then you would expect that aggressor to be charged with manslaughter. I doubt very much he could get away with the excuse "that punch would never have killed a healthy person"
Every pissed off aggressive person should NOT be restrained with a taser only the ones who are CLEARLY going to harm someone.
The way Tasers are used is a joke and the police who use them are fed so much bs that they are safe that they actually believe its appropriate to taser every person who isnt "calm"
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;D thankyou so much.
no, you're right and the video footage is wrong raguare. he was as calm as a kitten. those chairs and other objects weren't really getting thrown against the glass while a lady was trying to help him and those security guards didn't feel threatened at all. for the life of me, i can't work out why police were even called in the first place, never mind the amount of backup that went there. airport staff and security at canada do that sort of thing all the time, stir people up so they can watch them smash their property and scare the hell out of staff and customers.
gee rag, i wonder what would happen to me if i went to his country and started behaving like that? perhaps i should try it? afterall it is standard practise around the world to behave like a lunatic to get help. oh, hello, i've been waiting in this que a while now, i think i'll throw a chair at the cashier. ;)
tell me something raguare, have you always been a complete fuckwit or did you have to take lessons?
you have a really great day too sweety. :D
Hahahah great post BEAST. Are you saying that "JaguarEnterprises" based out of Canada via immigration should get off her high horses and keep "her" little lengthy moral know it all posts to a minimum?
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Hahahah great post BEAST. Are you saying that "JaguarEnterprises" based out of Canada via immigration should get off her high horses and keep "her" little lengthy moral know it all posts to a minimum?
thats asking way to much for someone who doesnt know their vagina from their asshole
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thats asking way to much for someone who doesnt know their vagina from their asshole
Trust me, I DO know the difference. One is an entrance, the other exit only!
btw - wanna answer my earlier question?
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Trust me, I DO know the difference. One is an entrance, the other exit only!
btw - wanna answer my earlier question?
nonsense raguare, you must learn to believe that your vagina is useful for things other than foul discharge. ;)
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nonsense raguare, you must learn to believe that your vagina is useful for things other than foul discharge. ;)
ok, ...that did make me laugh. ;D
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My money says the cop sitting on his neck killed him...who knows. I think the police would rather just taze someone than deal with them at times...he was hostile and rightfully so...but not toward them. They should have gotten someone to translate before getting physical...but who knows how much info they were given..when they arived all they seen was a guy that was upset and throwing things about...I think they over reacted like many cops do. They know they have the authority to get away with just about anything in a situation like that and they get on a power trip. Just a sad situation all together cause obviously they didn't intend to kill him..they have to live with that now, and you know that can't be easy.
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Hey jaguar why do you always ruin all of these threads with your huge copy pastes from internet? It would be better if you just share the url.
Now back to the main point of this discussion, the man deserved to be tassered, eod.
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there not cops their bountys.. i drivin through that shit country and they pull me over.. they still give me shit after i showed them my federal badge. then they tell me they pulled me over because i had ny plates.. i said keep up the good work, your ontarios finest..there the equivilent to a mall security guard..
i have had a few ajents in my classes plus a friend of mine is an ajent..
anyhow..you guys i respect..smart fucking 2...
cops..if i ever see one shot..i'll take the time to piss in the hole the bullet made before i move on...
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i have had a few ajents in my classes plus a friend of mine is an ajent..
anyhow..you guys i respect..smart fucking 2...
cops..if i ever see one shot..i'll take the time to piss in the hole the bullet made before i move on...
Why? :-\ Most cops are good folks.
And like KH said, they weren't even cops. ::) Most of these incidents involve people not being able to follow simple instructions and orders. I know it's horrible, but look at it from the other side.
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Why? :-\ Most cops are good folks.
And like KH said, they weren't even cops. ::) Most of these incidents involve people not being able to follow simple instructions and orders. I know it's horrible, but look at it from the other side.
How can you follow instructions when they are given in a language you don't understand? ::) They knew he didn't speak English. And YES they were cops.
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How can you follow instructions when they are given in a language you don't understand? ::) They knew he didn't speak English. And YES they were cops.
i worked in new york, in areas nobody spoke english.. communication doesn't need to be verbal. i never had a person not understand what was going on. if someone points a tazer or a gun at you, you just need a fraction of a brain to understand that means stop. the uniform and the badge are universal, no matter were your from
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i have had a few ajents in my classes plus a friend of mine is an ajent..
anyhow..you guys i respect..smart fucking 2...
cops..if i ever see one shot..i'll take the time to piss in the hole the bullet made before i move on...
thats fucked up. i was a cop, got shot on a breaking and entering call. stopped a robbery in progress. he had the balls to shoot me, what would he have done to the woman and 2 kids inside the house? would you have pissed on me, when my life could have been taken away while saving 3 complete strangers?
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I believe this happened in Canada.
Well, duuuuuuh!
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How can you follow instructions when they are given in a language you don't understand? ::) They knew he didn't speak English. And YES they were cops.
So you go about throwing chairs and stuff?
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So you go about throwing chairs and stuff?
exactly
you learn from the time your a small child that if you have a tantrum and throw stuff at people, threaten them and damage their property you get your ass kicked, just the same as when you put your hand on the fire you get burnt.
that guy knew exactly what he was doing was wrong.
if it was a cry for attention, he wouldn't have been threatening and throwing objects at the people who were trying to help him (staff, lady, security). millions of the people around the world get by very well speaking a foreign language, but self righteous people like raguare will tell you that this maniac should have been treated differently.
a person died in a tragic accident. it was unintentional, but if the grown man wasn't behaving like a spoilt brat he would have been fine, so if someone needs to be blamed here the finger needs to be pointed squarely at the deceased.
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Americans and canadians are a bunch of barbarians. Here in europe, we re atleast educated.
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guy deserved it,,,u dont have to speak english to know u have to obey the laws,,RIP dipshiit
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exactly
you learn from the time your a small child that if you have a tantrum and throw stuff at people, threaten them and damage their property you get your ass kicked, just the same as when you put your hand on the fire you get burnt.
that guy knew exactly what he was doing was wrong.
if it was a cry for attention, he wouldn't have been threatening and throwing objects at the people who were trying to help him (staff, lady, security). millions of the people around the world get by very well speaking a foreign language, but self righteous people like raguare will tell you that this maniac should have been treated differently.
a person died in a tragic accident. it was unintentional, but if the grown man wasn't behaving like a spoilt brat he would have been fine, so if someone needs to be blamed here the finger needs to be pointed squarely at the deceased.
If "crazy guy" injures someone during his tantrum = airport security to blame.
Conclusion -> guys doing their jobs in front of 20+ witnesses.
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If "crazy guy" injures someone during his tantrum = airport security to blame.
Conclusion -> guys doing their jobs in front of 20+ witnesses.
I don't think they were wrong for trying to take him into custody..just I think some cops get carried away with a tazer. They had him outnumbered and once they had him down there was no need to continue to taze him. It is sad because nobody thinks they intended to hurt or kill him...just a freak thing.
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My money says the cop sitting on his neck killed him...who knows. I think the police would rather just taze someone than deal with them at times...he was hostile and rightfully so...but not toward them. They should have gotten someone to translate before getting physical...but who knows how much info they were given..when they arived all they seen was a guy that was upset and throwing things about...I think they over reacted like many cops do. They know they have the authority to get away with just about anything in a situation like that and they get on a power trip. Just a sad situation all together cause obviously they didn't intend to kill him..they have to live with that now, and you know that can't be easy.
In 1000% agreement with you there. what's even sadder, is that it is now coming out that a worker at the airport who speaks both Polish AND Russian, was in the international arrivals area just moments before, but no one asked him to help translate. He left moments before police were called, and when asking what the huge commotion had been afterward, was furious and wanted to know why he wasn't called to translate.
In addition, they had defribillators on scene, and personnel trained in their use, but they instead waited for an ambulance before trying to revive him. Despite having these devices throughout the airport, and personnel trained in their use, the protocol is to call municipal ambulances. At the moment it hasn't been determined if response time played a factor, ...but geez louise, let's use some common sense here. It's gonna take less time for someone to run 50 yards than it is for a municipal ambulance to arrive at an airport. Yet even more missed opportunities as far as dealing with this man. :'(
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I don't think they were wrong for trying to take him into custody..just I think some cops get carried away with a tazer. They had him outnumbered and once they had him down there was no need to continue to taze him. It is sad because nobody thinks they intended to hurt or kill him...just a freak thing.
the tazer didn't kill him. the man died from positional asphyxia, which basically means he couldn't get enough oxygen into his brain. it is what causes the black out when you choke someone out. person loses conciousness (if you are a pro fighter you will tap at this point or a very attentive ref will stop the fight) and if the choke continues to be applied, person dies.
that is exactly what you saw on the vid. the cop basically never realeased the pressure from the deceased's throat. add to that the deceased's agitated state, being already hyperventilating due to stress and struggle with several cops and physical status (large unfit) it is not hard to find an explanation for his death.
the taser will NOT affect one's breathing to a significant degree. in fact, if the cops did not deploy the taser and had to grapple with him instead, looking at the techniques used by the cops (to grapple) the deceased was probably more likely to die ie more cops would have had their combined weight baring down on top of him ie further constriction of airways.
ultimately it was the continuous pressure on the throat that sealed the deal and directly caused the man's death and this will be the finding from the coroner's inquest.
that said, i have no problem with what any of the cops did. i stand by my earlier comments that the deceased brought it upon himself. no, he didn't deserve to die for what he did any more than a person that plays hop scotch on the freeway deserves to die, but yet people die. amazing isn't it?
tragic accident, but social reformists like raguare wants some heads to roll. of course, this is EXACTLY why the ambulance was called and lengthy procedural measures were taken all round, because of the social reformists out there that will, with hindsight and behind their little desks in their comfy little homes, will analyse EVERY SINGLE THING that was done at the time and look for someone to blame. the irony is that the hindsight reformists are to blame for procedure being followed by the book because who the hell is going to risk trying (and possibly failing) to save someone's life quickly when, if shit happens (as it does), they might be up for a wrongful death suit and blood on their hands?
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If everything was so "by-the-book", ...why did the RCMP feel it necessary to lie through their teeth?
The incident report they filed was riddled with lies, innaccuracies, falsehoods, and outright BS.
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If everything was so "by-the-book", ...why did the RCMP feel it necessary to lie through their teeth?
The incident report they filed was riddled with lies, innaccuracies, falsehoods, and outright BS.
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If everything was so "by-the-book", ...why did the RCMP feel it necessary to lie through their teeth?
The incident report they filed was riddled with lies, innaccuracies, falsehoods, and outright BS.
please show me where it has been proved that the incident report was false in detail or untrue? ::)
once again, you have been caught out lying in a pathetic attempt to prove your point. ;)
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please show me where it has been proved that the incident report was false in detail or untrue? ::)
once again, you have been caught out lying in a pathetic attempt to prove your point. ;)
Its just more of Jag's bullshit and its her speciality on this board. Just ignore her.
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please show me where it has been proved that the incident report was false in detail or untrue? ::)
once again, you have been caught out lying in a pathetic attempt to prove your point. ;)
Its just more of Jag's bullshit and its her speciality on this board. Just ignore her.
First of all guys, I'm here in Canada, where this issue receives far more coverage than south of the border.
Secondly, some of that evidence has already been presented earlier in this thread.
They even lied about the number of RCMP officers involved.
It appears that YOU and Tapper, have been exposed as ignorant about this issue.
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First of all guys, I'm here in Canada, where this issue receives far more coverage than south of the border.
Secondly, some of that evidence has already been presented earlier in this thread.
They even lied about the number of RCMP officers involved.
It appears that YOU and Tapper, have been exposed as ignorant about this issue.
no, stupid.
what you have read are media stories not evidence sweetie.
evidence is what comes out eventually, when all the hype settles down.
of course, by that time, nobody will give a shit, including you and the evidence won't be controversial enough to engage the limited attention span of imbeciles like you. ;)
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First of all guys, I'm here in Canada, where this issue receives far more coverage than south of the border.
Secondly, some of that evidence has already been presented earlier in this thread.
They even lied about the number of RCMP officers involved.
It appears that YOU and Tapper, have been exposed as ignorant about this issue.
Isnt this the part where Jag hits the Report to Moderator Button in the hopes a mod will delete the posts of people who she dislikes? Remember folks, this is the wacko who runs
a scam by trying to sell a magic little pill that will make your car drive farther on a single tank of gas.
Nobody believes anything you say here Jag. You are the official GetBig Nutcase.
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Isnt this the part where Jag hits the Report to Moderator Button in the hopes a mod will delete the posts of people who she dislikes? Remember folks, this is the wacko who runs
a scam by trying to sell a magic little pill that will make your car drive farther on a single tank of gas.
Nobody believes anything you say here Jag. You are the official GetBig Nutcase.
Enjoy your high gas prices Tapper. :)
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Unfortunetly these officers won't be paying for their actions to the extent that they should be. Their actions were completely out of protocol.