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By that I mean in comparison to say Lee haney, Arnold, ect ect. Pros chests today seem very flat and almost deflated to me. Anyone else notice this?
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too much Hammer strength and Smith machine.
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Because delts are much bigger these days being a favorite injection site.
Some guys today have bigger delts than pecs in the pro ranks.
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they used to accentuate the chest in all of the poses during the iron age. they didnt care about what any of the other muscles looked like in the side chest, they just positioned their bodies in a way that made their chest seem the thickest possible. pro's today accenturate the arm and deltoid much more in the side chest pose.....had ronnie ever hit a side chest in the same manner in which arnold and the irong agers hit a sie chest, he would fucking demolish every single on of them in that shot.
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Two Little Volume...
Arnold trained his chest 3 times per week, and did 30 or so sets...
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they dont.
hope this helps.
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It's a combination of two things.
Firstly, delts and traps, and arms are bigger today than they were in the 70s and early 80s due to improved drug regimens.
Secondly, when you're looking at side-chest comparision shots, the bodybuilders from that era did them slightly differently, puffing their chests out whereas todays physiques concentrate on showing the arms more, and contracting the chests which draws them in.
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too much Hammer strength and Smith machine.
True that. Not enough Flyes too...
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Because tha's all they ever trained!
No legs, just chest and arms baby....chest and arms ;)
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By that I mean in comparison to say Lee haney, Arnold, ect ect. Pros chests today seem very flat and almost deflated to me. Anyone else notice this?
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(http://www.espacioblog.com/myfiles/nutricionyculturismo/1004261088267938.jpg)
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guys today carry way less bodyfat on stage thats why off season all chests today look great on season they lost so much of it
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This is a pretty simple answer guys, it's because waists are bigger, it's not that chests are smaller, a bigger waist gives the ILLUSION of a smaller chest.
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ya jays chest is a little weak ::)
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ruhl looks awesome there
here's a few others
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ya jays chest is a little weak ::)
Compared to chests of 20 years ago, it looks like shit!!
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chests 20 years ago that would be - 1987?
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ruhl looks awesome there
here's a few others
That's an AWESOME pic of Branch!
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too much Hammer strength and Smith machine.
yeah right
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Alot of bodybuilders don't do flat bench (bar) anymore, fearing injury and what not, this maybe a reason..
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(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/lh107.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/lh176.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/leidel34-1.jpg)
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Alot of bodybuilders don't do flat bench (bar) anymore, fearing injury and what not, this maybe a reason..
Alot of bodybuilders don't do much of ANYTHING anymore, fearing injury and what not, this maybe a reason..
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Lol ;D
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Monster pecs
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Because tha's all they ever trained!
No legs, just chest and arms baby....chest and arms ;)
Hahahaha also known by kids today as "before hittin' the club" training ;D
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;)
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Yates in 1993
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Yates in 1993
Even if If he had 1970's arms/trunk/shoulders, this chest would still look average.
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Is is a question or training or posing? It looks to me like today's pro's try to flex the pecs in together in the side chest shot to show striations. (See Coleman picture below.) Seems that pros around Arnold's era were pulling the arm back and doing best to show off the size of the chest. (See Arnold picture below.)
Don't know about others, but I find the older side-chest posing technique more impressive.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181328.0;attach=212668;image)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/43/images/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_95.jpg)
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Is is a question or training or posing? It looks to me like today's pro's try to flex the pecs in together in the side chest shot to show striations. (See Coleman picture below.) Seems that pros around Arnold's era were pulling the arm back and doing best to show off the size of the chest. (See Arnold picture below.)
Don't know about others, but I find the older side-chest posing technique more impressive.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181328.0;attach=212668;image)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/43/images/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_95.jpg)
Ronnie's delts and arms dominate his side chest shot and he does have really thick pecs but his side chest always left a lot to be desired.
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Perfect example
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they used to accentuate the chest in all of the poses during the iron age. they didnt care about what any of the other muscles looked like in the side chest, they just positioned their bodies in a way that made their chest seem the thickest possible. pro's today accenturate the arm and deltoid much more in the side chest pose.....had ronnie ever hit a side chest in the same manner in which arnold and the irong agers hit a sie chest, he would fucking demolish every single on of them in that shot.
Agreed, so long as we're talking about pre-gut ronnie
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Agreed, so long as we're talking about pre-gut ronnie
Ronnie had a gut from the first Olympia win to the last
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Ronnie had a gut from the first Olympia win to the last
No doubt
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.......because most of them are torn!
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I see what you mean with the posing, almost like a side most muscular :P Me no likey
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you wanna know the real reason? doesnt mater because ill say it anyway
20-30 years ago you used less products and was 100% it was real pharma grade made in the best pharmas in europe and usa,,
now days you lose pec size just by worrying if your gear is fake or not,,then you got kids who only train arms for girls and never develop chest because theri arms doing all the work wether they want it or not
20-30 years ago all used the best ,,now days few use the best and most use sub products that usually dosed 1/3 to what they really should have in it and the powder purity coming from china is at about 40% while 30 years ago powder purity was 95-100% each and every time becuase the pharmas cant let anything other than that roll out due to gmp standards,,,
it all goes back to the drugs quality ,,especially underground garbage and,,and the arm only syndrom that started last 10 years and can not! be fixed if you already carry this syndrom
i want you to take real old russian dianabol or real naposim or anything pharma made ,,i want you to take real testovis or organon test and sustas and tell me you got no chest after a year,,that! is the real difference that you wont hear about
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to make the arms look bigger
;D
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It's not the drugs. Bodybuilders today relly too much on machines. There are a few of them who have great chests like Coleman, Cormier, Jackson and no one else.
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one of the reasons is because the upper body was more of a target. That why most guys back in the early 80's and 70's had littlier legs than today. Just a few had awesome thick huge legs. The upper body is what everyone wanted big
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It's funny because of those guys back then were just as strong on maximal pressing efforts as the guys today but their chests are better.
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you wanna know the real reason? doesnt mater because ill say it anyway
20-30 years ago you used less products and was 100% it was real pharma grade made in the best pharmas in europe and usa,,
now days you lose pec size just by worrying if your gear is fake or not,,then you got kids who only train arms for girls and never develop chest because theri arms doing all the work wether they want it or not
20-30 years ago all used the best ,,now days few use the best and most use sub products that usually dosed 1/3 to what they really should have in it and the powder purity coming from china is at about 40% while 30 years ago powder purity was 95-100% each and every time becuase the pharmas cant let anything other than that roll out due to gmp standards,,,
it all goes back to the drugs quality ,,especially underground garbage and,,and the arm only syndrom that started last 10 years and can not! be fixed if you already carry this syndrom
i want you to take real old russian dianabol or real naposim or anything pharma made ,,i want you to take real testovis or organon test and sustas and tell me you got no chest after a year,,that! is the real difference that you wont hear about
You're such a fucking moron. Todays gear is responsible for legs twice the size as in the seventies. But the chest yes that where it fails...
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chest also look smaller because of the wider and thicker waists/guts they come with nowadays
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You're such a fucking moron. Todays gear is responsible for legs twice the size as in the seventies. But the chest yes that where it fails...
again i will say it for the second time! it is the hormones made in the bath room or kitchen that you inject,,,you kids dont know shit from gold,,for you its all what the label say and not what actually is inside the product,,the legs of today and the ones who have them is as a result of growth hormone you infantile growth hormones and insulin,,insulin is ely lilly every where you look in your local walmart usa and gh is also easy to get legit if you look well as a serious bodybuilder though you will have to pay!
i will say it over and over ,,,the reason you dont grow to our level is because you use underdosed underground garbage and when i say underdosed i mean 1/4 of whats written on label in a powder that is maybe!! 40-50% pure so you get total of about 50mg test on every 300mg test you supposdly put in you ,,,FAKE FAKE FAKE NOT REAL AS IN NOT LEGIT that is why you cant grow to the size needed size of muscle that is muscle fiber not puffed up bloat of gh and insulin in addition in over 50% of cases with undeground garbage it is compltely oil with no dirty poweder what so ever,,the ones who put you 1/4 dose in are the honest ones! so remember that
i told you many times there is no difference between bodybuilders then and now beside 3 major factors:
1. drugs today are faked by underground criminals right and left to the 10th degree since 2000,,today you all look and hear 200mg/ml 10ml test for 40$ and you think you are geniouses who found good price while in reality you get olive oil with pint of unpure hormone powder which gives you those 7lb you so want of water retention to satisfy your brain yet you dont get even slightly stronger,,you are poor students or college kids who buy shit from shit and thus look like shit!
2. insulin and growth give you the feeling youre big but in reality you are 200lb with puffed up blown up physiqe that goes away 1 year past the use of growth and insulin,,its a lot worse than when arnold was off for a year since he still looked decent and could do fitness model right and left
3. you only work arms thus develop them even with the little bit of % you gather out of all the 5 vials of diff underground shit you inject and swallow,,you need so much because only using so many vials will bring up enough dose to make a difference! still the guys with no chest only worked their arms for the girls and will forever be stuck with no chest period,,when you got big arms and small pecs you will never ever have big thick pecs even if you bring it up it will always be lagging,,and vise versa
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It's not the drugs. Bodybuilders today relly too much on machines. There are a few of them who have great chests like Coleman, Cormier, Jackson and no one else.
bullcrap,,i developed one of the best chest in bodybuilding history using tones of smith and machines,,first 3 years in gym i did all work with free weights then the more muscle i had the more injury prone i got and added smiths and with 3 plates each side i developed very good chest ,,after foundation is on you it doesnt matter what you do as long as you progress by stimulating the muscle,,incline work is always better than flat bench for chest too! this is something you learn with time,,the only thing i would insist on doing with free weights is flys atleast first 3 sets then change to fly machine or cable for 2 more final set
free weights benching is good for powerlifting ,,we are bodybuilders its good to bench 5 plates each side like kevin back in the day when jacked but it is even better to do lots of machine work and cable work,,it will lengthen your career and will let you grow with out injuries and just as strong
as with everything else genetic structure has a lot to do with it also,,some black guys will have no chest and amazing arms,,,some white guys will have amazing chests and average or no arms
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Gh15 what cycle do you advise for a drugfree starter?
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This is a pretty simple answer guys, it's because waists are bigger, it's not that chests are smaller, a bigger waist gives the ILLUSION of a smaller chest.
we finally agree :o
E
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Chests look smaller today than in the past because many bodybuilders chase a pump (not always a bad thing) to inflate the pecs and neglect their pec/delt tie ins which creates the illusion of width. When was the last time you saw a video of a bodybuilder today doing discliplined gironda dips, presses to the neck, or even strict incline presses or db flys? These exercises were all paramount to guys with great pecs in the past and no one really does them anymore.
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Guys have way bigger waist now, and bigger shoulders. This causes their chest to look much smaller than they really are.
Also back in the day, they were much better posers than they are today.
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This guy has a monster side chest....
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This guy has a monster side chest....
Monster gut to match.
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well im going to go ahead and say it...i think it has a lot to do with heavy BARBELL benching
just a theory...but i can't think of any of the pros <90s doing really heavy dumbbells for bp...i might be wrong
(http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/35931/2005894595957751090_fs.jpg)
one of the most impressive pictures i've seen
(http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/34841/2005857680817493765_fs.jpg)
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A lot of it is to do with the posing. Now the side chest pose is still predominately the chest, but all the other visible muscles too are flexed, where as back then it was mostly just about showing off the chest, Also because most bb'ers in Arnies day did stomach vacuums when doing the side chest and had a big "rib box".
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it's all about the technique
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legend
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legend
was that the pose of cancer?
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The scale of this comparison is so far off it's not even funny. Typical ironage BS :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181328.0;attach=212880;image)
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Ronnie never could do a proper side chest. He constantly dropped his shoulder. The side by side with Levrone proves it.
Dexter does a perfect side chest.
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posing is gay.
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it's all about the technique
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181328.0;attach=212879;image)
Crazy--look how Huge Nasser dwarfs everyone!
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posing is gay.
When your audience is over 50% homosexual men, I guess it is.
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they used to accentuate the chest in all of the poses during the iron age. they didnt care about what any of the other muscles looked like in the side chest, they just positioned their bodies in a way that made their chest seem the thickest possible. pro's today accenturate the arm and deltoid much more in the side chest pose.....had ronnie ever hit a side chest in the same manner in which arnold and the irong agers hit a sie chest, he would fucking demolish every single on of them in that shot.
Correct.
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Crazy--look how Huge Nasser dwarfs everyone!
That's not a fair comparison as well, look at the size of Nasser's head. More typical ironage BS >:(
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Who is this?
(http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/34841/2005857680817493765_fs.jpg)
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Who is this?
(http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/34841/2005857680817493765_fs.jpg)
arnold.
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arnold.
I know it's Arnold standing there but who's on the bench?
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bruce patterson.
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Franco Colombu
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This guy has a monster side chest....
Sergei Chelestov is looking HUGE there :o
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I know it's Arnold standing there but who's on the bench?
superstar billy graham
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bullcrap,,i developed one of the best chest in bodybuilding history using tones of smith and machines,,first 3 years in gym i did all work with free weights then the more muscle i had the more injury prone i got and added smiths and with 3 plates each side i developed very good chest ,,after foundation is on you it doesnt matter what you do as long as you progress by stimulating the muscle,,incline work is always better than flat bench for chest too! this is something you learn with time,,the only thing i would insist on doing with free weights is flys atleast first 3 sets then change to fly machine or cable for 2 more final set
free weights benching is good for powerlifting ,,we are bodybuilders its good to bench 5 plates each side like kevin back in the day when jacked but it is even better to do lots of machine work and cable work,,it will lengthen your career and will let you grow with out injuries and just as strong
as with everything else genetic structure has a lot to do with it also,,some black guys will have no chest and amazing arms,,,some white guys will have amazing chests and average or no arms
Show me pictures of one guy who developed a good chest throught machine training..
The difference is so vast in every gym I have been too I have seldom seen anyone with a good chest. Only guy I can think of is my training partner and his chest is at least 4 inches thick! Guess what? He only does free weight presses for 1 hour and a half!
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I would also like to add that heavy weight without proper form is counter productive. Hence Levrone's bird pecs.
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I would also like to add that heavy weight without proper form is counter productive. Hence Levrone's bird pecs.
Quack?
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Hahahaha also known by kids today as "before hittin' the club" training ;D
as long as they pay their member fees so a beast like me can enjoy the gym then it is all good
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Who is this?
(http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/34841/2005857680817493765_fs.jpg)
Onlyme
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The difference is that no one stretches their ribcage anymore...
When I started lifting everyone made an effort to do breathing pullovers and vacuums. It's very important because proper military posture and an expandable ribcage are the difference between a pretty ordinary physique and Herculean/Steeve Reeves proportions.
Everybody head on over to www.DrDarden.com and read the article on ribcage expansion (it's near the top of the page).
The Luke
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Who is this?
(http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/34841/2005857680817493765_fs.jpg)
this pic is a fake he never pushed that weight,he probably lifted it with a lot of help for the camera and reracked it right away
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Who is this?
(http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/34841/2005857680817493765_fs.jpg)
holy shit...that pic is fucking impressive
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holy shit...that pic is fucking impressive
...the last few plates (probably three of them each side) are photoshopped into the picture. Check the juncture between the plate edges on the right hand side of the picture and Arnold's t-shirt.
The Luke
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...the last few plates (probably three of them each side) are photoshopped into the picture. Check the juncture between the plate edges on the right hand side of the picture and Arnold's t-shirt.
The Luke
Epic paranoia. I have the pic right in front of me from Arnold's "encyclopedia"... ::)
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Epic paranoia. I have the pic right in front of me from Arnold's "encyclopedia"... ::)
...the same encyclopedia that was first published in the early eighties listing Arnold's best-form arm measurement as 21''?.... then reprinted with a claim of 22'' ams... and now claiming 23'' arms at 235 lbs (when in reality you'd have to be a lean 330 lbs to have 23'' arms).
Must be true so.
The Luke
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...the same encyclopedia that was first published in the early eighties listing Arnold's best-form arm measurement as 21''?.... then reprinted with a claim of 22'' ams... and now claiming 23'' arms at 235 lbs (when in reality you'd have to be a lean 330 lbs to have 23'' arms).
Must be true so.
The Luke
Why do you care so much? Are you the same dude who claimed Sarcasm was a teenager?
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Ronnie's delts and arms dominate his side chest shot and he does have really thick pecs but his side chest always left a lot to be desired.
according to an idiot like you and no one else:
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take a look at this side chest, retard:
size, super thick chest, arms, and detail everywhere unlike Doughboy Yates.
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Why do you care so much? Are you the same dude who claimed Sarcasm was a teenager?
...he is.
The Luke
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Even if If he had 1970's arms/trunk/shoulders, this chest would still look average.
very true.
ND just hates it when people that are much smarter than him look at dorian and evaluate his poses properly. LOL.
it drives him nuts.
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you wanna know the real reason? doesnt mater because ill say it anyway
20-30 years ago you used less products and was 100% it was real pharma grade made in the best pharmas in europe and usa,,
now days you lose pec size just by worrying if your gear is fake or not,,then you got kids who only train arms for girls and never develop chest because theri arms doing all the work wether they want it or not
20-30 years ago all used the best ,,now days few use the best and most use sub products that usually dosed 1/3 to what they really should have in it and the powder purity coming from china is at about 40% while 30 years ago powder purity was 95-100% each and every time becuase the pharmas cant let anything other than that roll out due to gmp standards,,,
it all goes back to the drugs quality ,,especially underground garbage and,,and the arm only syndrom that started last 10 years and can not! be fixed if you already carry this syndrom
i want you to take real old russian dianabol or real naposim or anything pharma made ,,i want you to take real testovis or organon test and sustas and tell me you got no chest after a year,,that! is the real difference that you wont hear about
Ah, because of the garbage fake gear nowadays the guys are bigger, more ripped, and have better legs BUT weaker chests.
Very interesting ::)
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Ah, because of the garbage fake gear nowadays the guys are bigger, more ripped, and have better legs BUT weaker chests.
Very interesting ::)
no! because of the use of other products and experiemnting with new stimulants and fat burners both doses and methods of use in addition to the use of enourmous doses of growth hormone and always LRGIT PHARMACUTICAL AAS ....THE BODYBUILDERS TODAY ARE BIGGER! HAVE BIGGER LEGS AND EVERY SINGLE ONE HAVE A BELLY AS IN GUT AS IN SOFT OR HARD DEPENDING ON THE SEASON AND DRUG USE,,THE BODYBUILDER TODAY ARE NOT MORE RIPPED NOT EVEN CLOSE TO SAMIR AND ANDREAS NOT IN THE SAME LEAGE AS GASPARI AND NOT IN THE SAME SPHERE AS LABRADA,,THE GUYS TODAY ARE NOT BIGGER BETTER THEY ARE BIGGER WORSE,,,LAST ONE WHO WAS BIGGER BETTER WAS KEVIN AND RON COLEMAN ,,JASON CUTLER AND I KNOW HIM VERY WELL BUT JASON CUTLER LOOK LIKE PILE OF POTATOS,,KEN WHEELER ANYTHING OVER 230LB LOOKED LIKE A PILE OF OIL BAGS,,
THE CHEST OF TODAY LIFTERS ARE NOT AS DEVELOPED DUE TO FAKE DRUG USE OR UNDERDOSED DRUG USE MADE BY UNDERGROUND CRAP IN ADDITION TO HAVING ARMS TRAINING ROUTINES THAT FOREVER FUCKED THEIR CHEST,,GROWTH AND INSULIN WILL GROW YOU OVERALL,,IT WILL GROW EVERY BODYPART AND GUYS OF TODAY GOT EVERYTHING BIG BUT!!! WHEN IT COMES TO QUALITY THICKNESS FULNESS AND COMPLETE CHEST THAT TAKES RIGHT TRAINING AND LEGIT AAS THEY CANT BRING HOME A LOCAL WIN,,
i said it plenty of times before when you have very underdosed gear and you still buy 10 vials of 10ml each .....you will be able to squiza out the 250mg that is needed to progress but you wont have the quality or the right dose to grow your muscles solid,,,if sdomeone does it on underground garbage its because they are addict who buy 20 vials every 3 weeks and squiza their 1 gram out of all those vials
it is hard to explain but todays bodies are pathetic,,current champ look more of a sick man than bodybuilder,,klook more of a valentino than a bodybuilder and you are talking here about the best in the world!! just think about the levels under!
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This is a perfect example
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181328.0;attach=212668;image)
If Ron tucked his arms in under his ribcage like they used to do and let his chest expand, rather than crunch it in like he does, he would look ridiculous.
I don't like the way today's pros hit this pose and the most muscular as well. A few guys hit it old school but the way Jay hits it looks shitty
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all the pros since the 90's seem to do the crunching style of the pose.
dorian was a notable exception, but his side chest was blah onstage.
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all the pros since the 90's seem to do the crunching style of the pose.
dorian was a notable exception, but his side chest was blah onstage.
But Ronnie's chest is completely going under in this pose. It's called side chest and not side arm-delt.
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all the pros since the 90's seem to do the crunching style of the pose.
dorian was a notable exception, but his side chest was blah onstage.
yeah blah lol Ronnie Coleman didn't think so ;)
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
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But Ronnie's chest is completely going under in this pose. It's called side chest and not side arm-delt.
Great post ! someone who spots the obvious.
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ND and Hulkster,
Could you please keep your bullshit in your 1,500 page bullshit thread instead of polluting the rest of the board.
Thank you.
The Luke
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Great post ! someone who spots the obvious.
no, the obvious was posted earlier - remember the 'average chest' comment?
its right on the money!
and you can't stand it! :P
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no, the obvious was posted earlier - remember the 'average chest' comment?
its right on the money!
and you can't stand it! :P
Sure thats why Coleman said Dorian's is the best he ever seen ;)
Ronnie knows his place so should you :)
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REPEAT:
ND and Hulkster,
Could you please keep your bullshit in your 1,500 page bullshit thread instead of polluting the rest of the board.
Thank you.
The Luke
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I think the reason why today's pros cannot pull off a good side chest pose other then their lack of chest/ribcage..
is that when they hit the compulsory pose the have to involve all muscles and make it almost a most muscular pose instead of side chest. The judging should go back to the old standarts for the sake of the sport.
BTW This pic kicks ass!
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no! because of the use of other products and experiemnting with new stimulants and fat burners both doses and methods of use in addition to the use of enourmous doses of growth hormone and always LRGIT PHARMACUTICAL AAS ....THE BODYBUILDERS TODAY ARE BIGGER! HAVE BIGGER LEGS AND EVERY SINGLE ONE HAVE A BELLY AS IN GUT AS IN SOFT OR HARD DEPENDING ON THE SEASON AND DRUG USE,,THE BODYBUILDER TODAY ARE NOT MORE RIPPED NOT EVEN CLOSE TO SAMIR AND ANDREAS NOT IN THE SAME LEAGE AS GASPARI AND NOT IN THE SAME SPHERE AS LABRADA,,THE GUYS TODAY ARE NOT BIGGER BETTER THEY ARE BIGGER WORSE,,,LAST ONE WHO WAS BIGGER BETTER WAS KEVIN AND RON COLEMAN ,,JASON CUTLER AND I KNOW HIM VERY WELL BUT JASON CUTLER LOOK LIKE PILE OF POTATOS,,KEN WHEELER ANYTHING OVER 230LB LOOKED LIKE A PILE OF OIL BAGS,,
THE CHEST OF TODAY LIFTERS ARE NOT AS DEVELOPED DUE TO FAKE DRUG USE OR UNDERDOSED DRUG USE MADE BY UNDERGROUND CRAP IN ADDITION TO HAVING ARMS TRAINING ROUTINES THAT FOREVER FUCKED THEIR CHEST,,GROWTH AND INSULIN WILL GROW YOU OVERALL,,IT WILL GROW EVERY BODYPART AND GUYS OF TODAY GOT EVERYTHING BIG BUT!!! WHEN IT COMES TO QUALITY THICKNESS FULNESS AND COMPLETE CHEST THAT TAKES RIGHT TRAINING AND LEGIT AAS THEY CANT BRING HOME A LOCAL WIN,,
i said it plenty of times before when you have very underdosed gear and you still buy 10 vials of 10ml each .....you will be able to squiza out the 250mg that is needed to progress but you wont have the quality or the right dose to grow your muscles solid,,,if sdomeone does it on underground garbage its because they are addict who buy 20 vials every 3 weeks and squiza their 1 gram out of all those vials
it is hard to explain but todays bodies are pathetic,,current champ look more of a sick man than bodybuilder,,klook more of a valentino than a bodybuilder and you are talking here about the best in the world!! just think about the levels under!
More caps! we need more caps!!
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Arnold's chest looks better here than a lot of the pros today... :)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/m44.jpg)
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Who is this?
(http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/34841/2005857680817493765_fs.jpg)
It's famed ex-wrestler, Billy Graham.
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It's famed ex-wrestler, Billy Graham.
Good call. I actually remember those padded pants. ;D
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Good call. I actually remember those padded pants. ;D
hey Tommy do you remember the story you told about the guy Frankie 5 jackets or something like that, the guy who wore like 6 shirts in the gym?
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they look small because most bodybuilders dont have long clavicles. the people with long clavicles have the best chest. people with short clavicles are all arms and delts eg. flex, dexter, phil, levrone ect
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they look small because most bodybuilders dont have long clavicles. the people with long clavicles have the best chest. people with short clavicles are all arms and delts eg. flex, dexter, phil, levrone ect
Thank you, Dr. Mame09. ::)
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I think the new guys hit it differently because of their guts. I think its an attempt to hide the gut by keeping the chest sunken in and covering the stomach with the arms. Same think with the most muscular these days.
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I would also like to add that heavy weight without proper form is counter productive. Hence Levrone's bird pecs.
right it takes a bird chest to pull of the best side chest ever ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51555.0;attach=52804;image)
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The reason the chests are smaller is the lack of using free weight movements exclusively. My old gym from 2002-2004 was one of the old school type gyms that was just basic equipment, the old school iron plates with the fat lips and the only machines he had were Nautilus. So pretty much, everything you did had to be free weight. I gained 15 pounds in the first year there just from adjusting my training to all free weights. Guys today have so much to choose from they forget the basics. They end up doing giant sets with pink dumbells instead of pushing 3-4 plates on heavy benches and it shows over time. Guys back in the day did heavy flyes every workout, now its cable crossovers and pec deck. The guys back in the day KEPT IT INTENSE TO BROTHERS,NO MAGIC SHAKES FOR THEM,AGGHHRRR!!!!