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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: GroinkTropin on November 16, 2007, 06:13:03 PM
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Stacker2 7phenyl, got some samples from europa my LORD these things are strong! Appetite gone for the last 6 hours, tons of energy hot as hell freaking wired. Good stuff, only thing I would compare it to is speed maybe will take them for the next couple days let ya'll know how I do but so far these things rock.
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I saw this review:
Review:
The chemical 3, 4 dimethoxy-5-hydroxy-b-phenethylamine is CH2 atoms away from being mescalin. Even so, I bet it is psychoactive on its own. Cool shit. Someone try it out.
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I saw this review:
All I can say is this- I took it at about 12 or 1 today, it's currently 8:30 pm I'm still hot, pissing like crazy earlier I was eclectic so much energy so high is was fucking awesome. No appetite, I'm killing water and protein shakes no food though, still happy still have energy this is a potential gold mine.
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So after a few days hows is it going. Are the effects still strong?
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So after a few days hows is it going. Are the effects still strong?
looks like mike has died.
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No still alive, I took it for 3 days and lost literally 5 pounds, the majority of which is probably water from sweating 24/7 and not eating anything. I mean ANYTHING. You ever done acid or shrooms? It has a similar feeling, you feel happy and energetic but out there so to speak. What I mean is, you take the capsules and like an hour later you start to get HIGH, you peak on it for about 2 hours and then the effects linger for about 8 hours or so. After a couple days I got sick of it, you damn feet and hands sweat profusely, and I went through at least 3 gallons of water a day. I'm going out on a limb here that it's probably the single strongest fat burning product I have ever used, but I doubt it will stay legal there's no way.
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No still alive, I took it for 3 days and lost literally 5 pounds, the majority of which is probably water from sweating 24/7 and not eating anything. I mean ANYTHING. You ever done acid or shrooms? It has a similar feeling, you feel happy and energetic but out there so to speak. What I mean is, you take the capsules and like an hour later you start to get HIGH, you peak on it for about 2 hours and then the effects linger for about 8 hours or so. After a couple days I got sick of it, you damn feet and hands sweat profusely, and I went through at least 3 gallons of water a day. I'm going out on a limb here that it's probably the single strongest fat burning product I have ever used, but I doubt it will stay legal there's no way.
hahaha where the fuck can i get some of this shit methyl?
and oh yeah...i asked you what you thought of evo labs omnivol on the "legal steroids" thread, but i dont think you saw it. so what do you think of it bro, have you heard anything back on it?
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You should be able to get the stAcker2's from some online spots, just make sure you get the 7-phenyl. Omnivol is pretty good, very hardcore some of my customers liked it a lot some returned it depends if you are prone to bad sides (acne high BP etc) stay away. It's also pretty toxic, but for mass its ridiculous.
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Took another 2 today, this stuff is getting better I think I am aclimating to it, didn't get nearly as high from it today just very very energetic, not too focused very very hot. Feels much better than the first time I took it.
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http://www.bulknutrition.com/p6032_Stacker_2_7-phenyl_Stack_NVE.html
$28.00 guys!!!
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damn reading the ingredient list for this product is like reading the back of a bunch of prohormones..
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Meth?
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Took another 2 today, did 1hr45min on the bike on an empty stomach (not kidding) sweating buckets the whole time. Something in it also seems to cause glucose uptake in muscles, my muscles feel full and stronger on it, the exact opposite of an ECA stack. It's 6pm and still wired from the 2 I took at 11am. This shit is for real, I'm picking up 12 bottles for the store also getting bunch of bottles of sesamin to sell as a stack. This shit kicks ass thus far down around 5 1/2 pounds (mostly water some fat) energy through the roof barely eating. Not sure how safe it is but doesn't seem to make my heart jump around or anything (again opposite of eca stack.)
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Also I will say I may be taking too much, the dose is supposed to be 1 cap but at 228 lbs(222 now) I usually man up and take twice the recommended dose of whatever I'm using. 1 is probably fine for most people, especially if you were >200 or so. 2 definitely kicks ass I'll tell you that much. 3 and a couple shots of jager and you'd be partying all night lol ;D
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No still alive, I took it for 3 days and lost literally 5 pounds, the majority of which is probably water from sweating 24/7 and not eating anything. I mean ANYTHING. You ever done acid or shrooms? It has a similar feeling, you feel happy and energetic but out there so to speak. What I mean is, you take the capsules and like an hour later you start to get HIGH, you peak on it for about 2 hours and then the effects linger for about 8 hours or so. After a couple days I got sick of it, you damn feet and hands sweat profusely, and I went through at least 3 gallons of water a day. I'm going out on a limb here that it's probably the single strongest fat burning product I have ever used, but I doubt it will stay legal there's no way.
FUCK ! I'd like to get my Hands on some of this shit !
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shit, i have to get some!
sound s like fun.
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i did a little research, and it looks like this product is VERY close to MDMA or Amphetamine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylethylamine
It might be fun, but i would say be very careful when using it, also in regard of possible drug test failures when driving or applying for a job or the likes.
Not to say that it has probably some really hard downsides when you get off.
But i will have to test it myself to find out more. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Oh and DONT take it when your schizophrenic or even show small signs of this desease!!!!
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Oh and DONT take it when your schizophrenic or even show small signs of this desease!!!!
Interesting that you say that as I believe I may be, but on that shit I just feel very focused and energetic but I can't think straight. I noticed the wiki says low levels are found in people with adhd, which i KNOW I have and strangely enough taking the 7phenyl seems to make me much more focused, I feel almost more mature in a way it's hard to describe. Similar to ephedrine in a way. After you take it about an hour later it peaks and for about 20 minutes you can't think at all, you're brain is just flying around it's pretty insane. Also don't know how good it is as just a straight fat burner, it's great for energy and water loss but I'm not totally convinced you'll burn the most fat with it. It does make you hot as shit and like I said you're feet and hands sweat so that could be a good indicator that it's effective as a thermo. I'm going to be stacking it with sesamin next week and run that for a week or two and then switch to either the leviathan reloaded or hotrox xtreme. It's niche might actually be in extreme low carb diets as you get SO MUCH energy from it that even starved I'm sure you could power through some insane cardio sessions.
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no offense man but you say it took youe appetite away for 6 hrs., what good is that for building mass? terrible idea to take that shit.
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no offense man but you say it took youe appetite away for 6 hrs., what good is that for building mass? terrible idea to take that shit.
Depends on your goals really. If you want to increase your appetite use greens+ every time I take that shit I'm literally starving an hour later.
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Ok so a guy at work actually had some of this stuff and gave me some today. I was gonna take two at the same time but then I actually thought of this thread and I was at work so I took one and then around an hour later took another. Gave me a boost for sure and I did hit a point where my mind seemed like it was racing. Also did well on my hunger.
That being said, there is no way I can compare it to any halluienigen (SP). Nor did I start sweting profusily. I was on a full stomach so that may have diminished the effects. I've got a few more so I'll take them for the next few days. I will say that I have a pretty good tolerance to caffeine. To feel a real strong thermogenic effect I have to drink a Spike shooter or a Red Line pretty quickly.
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Ok so a guy at work actually had some of this stuff and gave me some today. I was gonna take two at the same time but then I actually thought of this thread and I was at work so I took one and then around an hour later took another. Gave me a boost for sure and I did hit a point where my mind seemed like it was racing. Also did well on my hunger.
That being said, there is no way I can compare it to any halluienigen (SP). Nor did I start sweting profusily. I was on a full stomach so that may have diminished the effects. I've got a few more so I'll take them for the next few days. I will say that I have a pretty good tolerance to caffeine. To feel a real strong thermogenic effect I have to drink a Spike shooter or a Red Line pretty quickly.
Take 2 on empty stomach for full effect, shit pwns hard.
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Lypolyze is the best thing going, hands down.
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I have to say, everything I've read in this thread concerning this product leads me to one conclusion.
Do not use this product!!!!
Honestly, this sounds like one of the worst fat burning products on the market. Come on guys, anything that suppresses appetite like this or stimulates you in this manner is not a good thing
After I came to this conclusion based on what I read here, I went ahead and did a little of my own research on this product.
Consumer Deals:
Ranks it as one of the worst fat burners on the market based on value and weight loss potential. It ranked 149 out of 200 products reviewed.
Consumer Review:
Nothing special about this product, it is for the most part based on all other ECA type supplements, with added ingredients that do make it more potent but increase negative side effects as well.
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I have to say, everything I've read in this thread concerning this product leads me to one conclusion.
Do not use this product!!!!
Honestly, this sounds like one of the worst fat burning products on the market. Come on guys, anything that suppresses appetite like this or stimulates you in this manner is not a good thing
After I came to this conclusion based on what I read here, I went ahead and did a little of my own research on this product.
Consumer Deals:
Ranks it as one of the worst fat burners on the market based on value and weight loss potential. It ranked 149 out of 200 products reviewed.
Consumer Review:
Nothing special about this product, it is for the most part based on all other ECA type supplements, with added ingredients that do make it more potent but increase negative side effects as well.
What negative side effects?
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What negative side effects?
I guess the biggest one, or at least the one that stands out in my mind as the worse, would be the fact that high stimulant fat burners like this can wreak havoc on ones own cortisol levels...especially when you come off the product...this is a huge negative as far as any BB would be concerned IMO.
BTW, the complete loss of appetite, although it might not be viewed as a "dangerous" side effect, it is one nevertheless and is one that should concern anyone who is concerned with their own muscle mass.
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the use of speed and ephedrine makes me laugh, you guys take the shit to get all "hardcore" and geeked up for your insane 275 pound benches and squats but don't understand what it does to you outside of the gym, taking away appetite and sleep is just a didsater waiting to happen.
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Do you honestly feel good taking that crap. That shit is so bad for your body.
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Ok. I've now taken this stuff three days in a row and I'm just not feeling anything near what is being described as "psycho active" or any crazy thermogenic effects. It just isn't happening. I'm not sure what your tollerance to thermogenics are, maybe thats why you are having such strong effects from this stuff.
The best effect I feel that I'm getting is it does seem to contol hunger. That in itself does give the product some value.
As for other concerns that some people seem to have with thermogenics it is well understood. However when working a 12 hour days these things help give a good boost. Some people down coffee all day, I'd rather take a good fat burner. If you're need to gain weight, powerlift, or already have a quick metabolism they are not a good option. For myself I feel they keep me lean and keep me going.
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Ok. I've now taken this stuff three days in a row and I'm just not feeling anything near what is being described as "psycho active" or any crazy thermogenic effects. It just isn't happening. I'm not sure what your tollerance to thermogenics are, maybe thats why you are having such strong effects from this stuff.
The best effect I feel that I'm getting is it does seem to contol hunger. That in itself does give the product some value.
As for other concerns that some people seem to have with thermogenics it is well understood. However when working a 12 hour days these things help give a good boost. Some people down coffee all day, I'd rather take a good fat burner. If you're need to gain weight, powerlift, or already have a quick metabolism they are not a good option. For myself I feel they keep me lean and keep me going.
Interesting not sure why they have so much less of an effect on you than me.
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Well obviously i haven't tried it, but i assume it just affects this guy a lot more than normal. And from what you described happened to you the first time, it doesn't sound very safe. But i don't know, pretty sure it just affects you lot more than normal.
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I'm a member of Will Brink's "Fat Loss Revealed" message board and I asked them for some further info about this product... This is what Elissa (moderator) had to say about it:
Quite honestly, the stuff sounds rather nasty to me.
PEA is normally not very bioavailable, but when you start making chemical modifications, who knows?
This could be a good or a bad thing...quite a few of substituted phenethylamines are pharmacologically active drugs. In the absence of toxicology tests and human studies, this is the equivalent of playing w/fire.
The description of sucking down tons of water reminds me of descriptions of reactions to ecstasy - which is another member of the phenethylamine "family."
I'm lost on the description of this supp as a strong fat burner however. While there's some evidence that tea extracts and Cissus can help w/fat loss, it seems to me that the main effect of this "supplement" is as an anorexic. And not eating is - in the long run - a great way to lose lbm, no matter how "energetic" one may feel.
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Ya even the guy that gave them to me said he had been taking them for two weeks. I told him about what I read here. He looked at me as if I were crazy, lol. Also as for water consumption I didn't drink any more than I normally would nor did I feel the need to.
Mehyl, have you used thermogenics in the past before? I'm just wondering if this is a tolerance thing or not.
Like I said the product was effective in the sense that it controls hunger but I didn't have to force feed myself or anything. To me thats why ephedrine worked so well on the appetite. Hopefully a few more people will try this and see what happens.
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It looks more and more as if the original poster is a troll who works for NVE.
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I'm a member of Will Brink's "Fat Loss Revealed" message board and I asked them for some further info about this product... This is what Elissa (moderator)
Aint she the sh*&? ;)
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Ya even the guy that gave them to me said he had been taking them for two weeks. I told him about what I read here. He looked at me as if I were crazy, lol. Also as for water consumption I didn't drink any more than I normally would nor did I feel the need to.
Mehyl, have you used thermogenics in the past before? I'm just wondering if this is a tolerance thing or not.
Like I said the product was effective in the sense that it controls hunger but I didn't have to force feed myself or anything. To me thats why ephedrine worked so well on the appetite. Hopefully a few more people will try this and see what happens.
I've used plenty, going way back to the original ripped fuel with ephedra in the late 90's. I can't honestly say why I got hit so hard I'm pretty immune to most stimulants, dunno maybe its just my particular chemistry. In amy event ya'll dont seem to like them it's all good, switched to hotrox xtreme which is pretty decent. I'll post if anyone I know tries the stuff and likes it, or not.
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I've used plenty, going way back to the original ripped fuel with ephedra in the late 90's. I can't honestly say why I got hit so hard I'm pretty immune to most stimulants, dunno maybe its just my particular chemistry. In amy event ya'll dont seem to like them it's all good, switched to hotrox xtreme which is pretty decent. I'll post if anyone I know tries the stuff and likes it, or not.
With everything being said I would recommend this stuff for controlling hunger. To me that is the toughest part about dieting.
The only thing I don't like is the safety concern being expressed. Like I said felt fine after taking it. No nausea, headaces, didn't have to "force" myself to eat. I guess I would be concerned over any health effects it could have in the long run. Hopefully we'll get some more feed back here.
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What continually amazes me, is the fact that so many people continue to use and justify these type of products. Why do I feel this way? Because there are far more effective, safer and cheaper means and products you can use to get what you're after.
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Stacker2 7phenyl, got some samples from europa my LORD these things are strong! Appetite gone for the last 6 hours, tons of energy hot as hell freaking wired. Good stuff, only thing I would compare it to is speed maybe will take them for the next couple days let ya'll know how I do but so far these things rock.
I hope you ate at least twice during those 6 hours of no appetite!
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I hope you ate at least twice during those 6 hours of no appetite!
DOwned a few rtd's, isopures mostly. Only took the stuff for a couple days, it's a good stimulant might not be the best far burner and I like hotroxx more now anyway.