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sick.
how are they allowed to search the vehicle?
Man Tased For Asking Officer Why He Was Stopped
Man who refused to sign speeding ticket because he did not understand what it was is tased and arrested by officer who then refused to read him his rights
By Steve Watson
A man was tased and arrested on a Utah highway after being stopped by an officer and refusing to sign a speeding ticket because he did not understand what offence he had committed or why he had been pulled over.
The encounter, captured on the police car camera on September 14th and released this week, is the latest in a long string of incidents involving the unacceptable use of Tasers by officers on citizens whom the evidence reveals are in no way threatening, acting unlawfully or resisting co-operation.
The video shows the Utah Highway Patrolman pull over Jared Massey and his pregnant wife who also had their baby with them in the car and ask for Mr Massey's license.
Mr Massey tells the officer he does not understand why he has been stopped or what he is being charged with, at which point the officer orders Massey to get out of the car. The officer then puts down his clipboard and immediately takes out his Taser and points it at Mr Massey without any provocation whatsoever, yelling "Turn around and put your hands behind your back" as Massey attempts to point out the speed limit sign and engage the officer in conversation.
A shocked Massey asks "what the hell is wrong with you?" and backs away, turning around as the officer had demanded, at which point the officer unleashes 50,000 volts from the Taser into Massey's body, sending him screaming to the ground instantly and causing his wife to jump out of the car and yell hysterically for help.
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc)
Lying face down on the ground a shell shocked, Mr Massey says "officer I don't know what you are doing, I don't know why you are doing what you are doing" to which the officer replies "I am placing you under arrest because you did not obey my instruction."
Mr Massey then once again asks the officer several times why he was stopped and what he is being charged with. He then asks for his rights to be read and points out that the officer cannot arrest him without doing this. Instead of reading Massey his rights the officer then addresses another patrolman who arrives on the scene sardonically commenting "Ohhh he took a ride with the Taser" to which the other officer answers "painful isn't it".
The icing on the cake comes at the end of the video when the officer LIES to his own colleague about the encounter, clearly stating that he verbally warned Massey he was going to tase him, as is the law, when there was no warning whatsoever.
Mr Massey is planning to file a lawsuit against the Utah Highway Patrol. He says he was already slowing down as he approached the 40 mile per hour sign in the construction zone outside of vernal. All charges except for the speeding ticket have been dropped.
This amazing video reveals how eroded civil and constitutional rights have now become. The officer had no legal right to make Massey sign any document he did not understand
Tasers are supposed to be the last response before lethal action, however, police now use them as if they are batons or pepper spray.
In the last year over 300 people have died in admitted cases in the US alone from being tased. In the last week alone we have posted three separate stories of Taser deaths. Every week we post stories of incidents, which often feature old women, children and disabled people as the victims. The weapons are even being used in schools.
The police are now trained that "pain compliance," a euphemism for torture, is acceptable in apprehending anyone even if that person poses no physical danger. If you electrify any person, they suffer extreme pain and stand a high chance of being killed.
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Shocking
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Fuck Five 0!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
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you have got to be kidding ::) Can't wait to hear from KH... This shit is getting out of hand. Tasers were to be used where they would have previously shot the man, would he have shot him?... Oh wait, Officer Barney looks like he might have ::)
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Well he got tazed because he did not put his hands behind his back when instructed to do so...but my question is,why was he being arrested? Is it a crime to not sign a ticket? because as far as I could tell from the officers words,he was being arrested for refusing to follow his instructions(sign ticket). The officer never did tell him how fast he was going...(I would assume that info would have to be on the citation)The Cop got carried away but the dude should have took the hint when the thing was pointing at him. It doesn't matter..hell he could have shot him in the head and nothing would be done to him. Abuse of authority. Cue KH300 to defend this asshole. ::)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07254/816402-153.stm
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***CRICKETS***
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Getting tasered doesn't even hurt that bad. People are getting shot and having their balls poked with ice picks every day and you guys feel sorry for a little tasing?
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you have got to be kidding ::) Can't wait to hear from KH... This shit is getting out of hand. Tasers were to be used where they would have previously shot the man, would he have shot him?... Oh wait, Officer Barney looks like he might have ::)
It used to be mase, and officers had subtle ways of reacting and calming down defectors, most notably their voices, now it's taser and ask questions later ("oh I did not know he was diabetic")
The real problem is we are lowering the standards it takes to become a cop. What an erosion of civil liberties and civil rights, looks like Utah will be paying up in this case.
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Getting tasered doesn't even hurt that bad. People are getting shot and having their balls poked with ice picks every day and you guys feel sorry for a little tasing?
Shot for not signing a ticket :-\ cops are ice picking balls :-X Please don't tell me there are also youtube videos, where did you learn this?
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Shot for not signing a ticket :-\ cops are ice picking balls :-X Please don't tell me there are also youtube videos, where did you learn this?
No, just in general people are getting their balls poked with ice picks, I saw it in Casino. I am just saying being tasered is no big deal. It really doesn't hurt that bad.
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No, just in general people are getting their balls poked with ice picks, I saw it in Casino. I am just saying being tasered is no big deal. It really doesn't hurt that bad.
wait, so because you witnessed some dude going Joe Pesci on someone, so it's ok for cops to go against what they initially said tasers would be used for? It doesn't look painless but that's not really the point. It's like with the NRA. They don't like to give an inch because they know the game, they'll take the inch and it won't be enough, there's always a next level, next step. Same deal here. It's how the game is played and trust me, if there wasn't any opposition to this stuff, I have no doubts it could easily be way way worse, even gestapo like.
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This isn't about whether or not the taser hurts you. Hardly matters.
What matters here is people are getting tazed. Why are cops on a power trip using force when it's totally unnecessary.
This cop knew exactly what he was doing so I will not say this cop was out of the ordinary or he wasn't thinking about what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing and he roped that guy in. I'm sure there are police who will agree with this cops conduct. Assholes.
In reality this cop is wrong, should have communicated. None of this would have happened if he said why he pulled that man over in the first place.
Gotta feel bad for the guy he had no idea what was happening and he had his pregnant wife in the car.
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i dont know if the cop was right or wrong. unless you were actually there its impossible to know what happend. your hearing the victims side of the story, not the cops. so of course he sounds like a perfect angle, who was doing nothing wrong.
you guys are saying police brutality is getting out of control? just the opposite. if you pull out your tazer and use it, you are going to be fucked if it was a bad decision. in fact, most cops these days are turning their shoulder when something happens. just so they dont get this type of ridicule. if you dont do anything, you cant get into trouble.
im not taking sides, but i bet 90% of you read the headline, and said "another asshole power hungry cop".. but as far as you know the guy was pulling out a gun
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i dont know if the cop was right or wrong. unless you were actually there its impossible to know what happend. your hearing the victims side of the story, not the cops. so of course he sounds like a perfect angle, who was doing nothing wrong.
you guys are saying police brutality is getting out of control? just the opposite. if you pull out your tazer and use it, you are going to be fucked if it was a bad decision. in fact, most cops these days are turning their shoulder when something happens. just so they dont get this type of ridicule. if you dont do anything, you cant get into trouble.
im not taking sides, but i bet 90% of you read the headline, and said "another asshole power hungry cop".. but as far as you know the guy was pulling out a gun
You didn't watch the video? The guy refused to sign a ticket until the cop showed him the sign and that he was speeding. It's all pretty clear on the camera.
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That was pathetic.
I hate cops. Fucking HATE them
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LOL, you know something is wrong when it's not the cop saying, "you need to calm down"
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i dont know if the cop was right or wrong. unless you were actually there its impossible to know what happend. your hearing the victims side of the story, not the cops. so of course he sounds like a perfect angle, who was doing nothing wrong.
you guys are saying police brutality is getting out of control? just the opposite. if you pull out your tazer and use it, you are going to be fucked if it was a bad decision. in fact, most cops these days are turning their shoulder when something happens. just so they dont get this type of ridicule. if you dont do anything, you cant get into trouble.
im not taking sides, but i bet 90% of you read the headline, and said "another asshole power hungry cop".. but as far as you know the guy was pulling out a gun
I watched the video.I know what happened.
IS IT against the law to NOT sign a ticket? The cop tells him he was being arrested for not signing the ticket...IS that a crime, yes or no?
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I watched the video.I know what happened.
IS IT against the law to NOT sign a ticket? The cop tells him he was being arrested for not signing the ticket...IS that a crime, yes or no?
I guess it is a crime, some shit about the signing being your bail and if you don't sign you can be arrested, but he didn't say he wouldn't sign, he just wanted shown there was a 40mph sign and that he had him going faster than that. I suspect it's bullshit, didn't look like he was speeding so probably he didn't have shit to back it up and went balistic when asked to be shown. They've launched an investigation into the event.
they must be getting a big public response to this vid, on the Utah Highway Patrol site they've posted this:
Thank you for your concern regarding the use of a taser by a Utah Highway Patrol Trooper in the Uintah Basin. The Department of Public Safety appreciates your comments, concerns and most of all your patience. Right now we are taking all appropriate measures to investigate and review the circumstances. We can assure you that we are doing everything possible to look into this incident in a fair and impartial manner. A proper investigation takes time and we would ask for your patience. The purpose of this process is to determine if the Trooper acted appropriately.
The deployment of any taser by our Troopers is a serious matter. Every Trooper who works for the Highway Patrol and carries a taser is required to complete a certification course on the use of this non-lethal weapon. We continually train our officers on use of force issues and more specifically the use of a taser. We appreciate the public awareness on this issue and are committed to answering the questions and concerns of the public we are dedicated to protecting.
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I guess it is a crime, some shit about the signing being your bail and if you don't sign you can be arrested, but he didn't say he wouldn't sign, he just wanted shown there was a 40mph sign and that he had him going faster than that. I suspect it's bullshit, didn't look like he was speeding so probably he didn't have shit to back it up and went balistic when asked to be shown. They've launched an investigation into the event.
they must be getting a big public response to this vid, on the Utah Highway Patrol site they've posted this:
The guy did say "I'm not signing that" but that's because he was asking how fast he was going...and wasn't being told.
I posted this on another board and there is a retired Cop on there that I respect a lot and he said exactly what you said...that without the signiture the officer has the legal right to take you in and make you post bond.
here is a copy paste of what he said about it.
being Ex-law enforcement i will have to say this Video troubles me and the authors report (story) bothers me more...i watched the video 2 times..but only needed to watch it once..As a Certified law enforcement officer i saw many things in the video and the story was off base STUFF SAID BY AUTHOR I DID NOT SEE IN VIDEO..( loaded).
i am not going to try to give a lecture on Police traning and survival to a audience that has no background/Training or Experience in this field....
but i will give you a few key areas of training that took me back to my day in uniform as I watched this clip
1st- a written citation is courtesy summons, but if the violater refuses the citation or the officer feels he must take him in (arrest) and post bond.he has right to do so.
2nd - at the time the officer places the violater under arrest.the violater must cooperate with the officer 100%..until the handcuffs applied where the officer and suspect is safe is only a decent time for questioning on either side...the handcuffs doesn't effect the arrest..when the officer advised suspect he was under arrest ..HE IS UNDER ARREST..handcuffs just make it safe for everyone.
remember the officer doesn't know who he has pulled over,what he has just done or where he is going..its all a guess..
3rd- a taser is NOT the last defense before deadly force..thats all i will say about that....what decison would the officer have if the taser wasn't present.....wrestle the guy,let him go,,call for back up and 4 officers bum rush him.....
looks efficient to me...and no one was hurt but some pride...
4- in order to use deadly force there must be 3 areas of criteria met before an officer has the legal right to use deadly force.#.1- Ability- does suspect have ability to hurt or harm officer # 2- Opportunity- does the suspect have the opportunity #3 is the officer in jeapordy..
if these 3 areas are met 100% the officer has the right to use deadly force...THIS DOES NOT MEAN SHOOT TO KILL..it means using enough force to eliminate the threat..
i put myself in that spot and there were 3 things that happened here that called for elevated force.
1- suspect refused Citation and direct orders. VERBAL COMMAND IS GIVEN MULTIPLE TIMES
2- the suspect continued to disobey the officers command...and the BIG mistake he did was when he placed his right hand toward his pocket and turned around and took a few steps toward his car...how was the officer to effect the arrest NOW...WAS SUSPECT REACH FOR A GUN..TRYING TO GET A GUN ..OR DRIVE OFF IN HIS CAR ?????..#1- tackle and wrestle him down..NO..those days are over with..too many officers being ambushed or having their own weapons taken from their holster and shot with them....
so yes i would have made a move on him also...
for everyone of these vidoes posted..i can show ypu one where a ROUTINE traffic stop ended up with the officer getting ambushed,shot and killed.....i refuse to post one of these vidoes out of respect of my fallen brothers.
and if one gets posted i will take it on my own to delete it..just being straight up
sorry ....i like ya bro..but i hate to see this $hit posted......its too much for the untrained (general public) to understand...
i started not to respond but felt i should say my piece weather its understood or not....
if anyone would like for me to answer anymore about my post invloving this subject please PM me i will not go back and forth on a public forum and try to explain the training ,saftey and judgement call of a young officer..
the video is Loaded for the general public and looks like its working....
sorry this is a VERY SORE SPOT WITH ME.. been there and lost too many brothers on ROUTINE CALLS.
Brian
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The guy did say "I'm not signing that" but that's because he was asking how fast he was going...and wasn't being told.
I posted this on another board and there is a retired Cop on there that I respect a lot and he said exactly what you said...that without the signiture the officer has the legal right to take you in and make you post bond.
here is a copy paste of what he said about it.
LOL, can't say we don't approach a topic in fairness :)
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Thats why i don't second guess law enforcement...i live in a normal neighborhood...all white typical subdivision. I managed to buy my house next to the one crazy neighbor. Last night he did something...no idea what and 2 cruisers end up in front of my house. They ended up arresting him..but not before he resisted getting in the car...using his feet and avoiding the cuffs. The responsing officers were a male and female...they didn't mace him nor taser...more so because they knew him i guess (small town) but they made the call. I would have maced his ass and bounced his head off the car. They did the right thing for them. It was very much like an episode of Cops. Being a cop sucks when u have to deal with idiots.
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I would have maced his ass and bounced his head off the car.
Your neighbor must be a Colts fan. ;D
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Your neighbor must be a Colts fan. ;D
Step aside, I have experience with this... He was clearly a Raiders Fan. :D
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i dont know if the cop was right or wrong. unless you were actually there its impossible to know what happend. your hearing the victims side of the story, not the cops. so of course he sounds like a perfect angle, who was doing nothing wrong.
you guys are saying police brutality is getting out of control? just the opposite. if you pull out your tazer and use it, you are going to be fucked if it was a bad decision. in fact, most cops these days are turning their shoulder when something happens. just so they dont get this type of ridicule. if you dont do anything, you cant get into trouble.
im not taking sides, but i bet 90% of you read the headline, and said "another asshole power hungry cop".. but as far as you know the guy was pulling out a gun
watch the video fuckface
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Step aside, I have experience with this... He was clearly a Raiders Fan. :D
yeah..what was I think'n. Everyone knows that Headhunter loves the Colts. ;D
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He's a Chiefs fan..and a huge redneck....he has all these blow up santa and reindeer things in his yard. I pray to God i don't have to sell the house during a major holiday or I'm sunk. He also has flag pole on which he raises the nascar flag or his favorite drivers' "colors" on race day. He had a breakdown and was carted off when some WWE wrestler died..not the last guy but some other guy. Basically i bought a house next to "that guy"
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He's a Chiefs fan..and a huge redneck....he has all these blow up santa and reindeer things in his yard. I pray to God i don't have to sell the house during a major holiday or I'm sunk. He also has flag pole on which he raises the nascar flag or his favorite drivers' "colors" on race day. He had a breakdown and was carted off when some WWE wrestler died..not the last guy but some other guy. Basically i bought a house next to "that guy"
LMFAO
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Well he got tazed because he did not put his hands behind his back when instructed to do so...but my question is,why was he being arrested? Is it a crime to not sign a ticket? because as far as I could tell from the officers words,he was being arrested for refusing to follow his instructions(sign ticket). The officer never did tell him how fast he was going...(I would assume that info would have to be on the citation)The Cop got carried away but the dude should have took the hint when the thing was pointing at him. It doesn't matter..hell he could have shot him in the head and nothing would be done to him. Abuse of authority. Cue KH300 to defend this asshole. ::)
I'll start off by saying I'm NOT a cop but I did work in Law Enforcement over 15 years ago. One reason I left is due to cops like this who are not trained well and have poor communications skills. I think this police officer needs some training at a minimum as he did not have to use the Taser. The driver was at fault too as he did not follow instruction even-though they were not given with the most tact.
In regard to the guy not signing the ticket, he is required to sign the ticket to be released from the traffic stop. In the eye of the law you are in police custody during the traffic stop. To be released from that custody you must sign the ticket saying you understand the ticket and that you understand what you need to do to remedy the ticket (go to court or pay for it). Now the officer did not explain either of the two points and the guy had every right to ask for an explanation. However, the drive was told that he was pulled over for speeding. If he had taken the time to look at the ticket it would have provided the detail that he requested. That would have avoided the officer asking him to get out of the car.
In regards to what happened after the guy exited the car, he did not follow instructions. He has no right to refuse the officers orders in order to see the signs that may or may not been on the road. He can go check those things out after signing the ticket and obtain evidence to support his case afterwards. The officer has an obligation to ensure the safety of the guy too. If you watch the video when the guy was questioning the locations of the sign he was stepping very close to the solid white line. If a car had come by too close it could have hit and injured him. So he must follow the officers instructions and have his day in court later.
Now the use of the Taser was completely inappropriate in my view. By pulling it out the officer escalated the situation and made the driver go into a flight mode. I don't think the guy was going to run but he was freaked out and started backing close to the lane of traffic. The officer could have achieved the same thing by just grabbing the guy by the arm and directing him to the car. If the guy resisted then he could use additional force.
So in the end these two guys got into a pissing match over something that trivial. Unless the guy is a psychopath, the cop is always going to win on the side of the road. Later, the courts can figure it there was malfeasance.
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I'll start off by saying I'm NOT a cop but I did work in Law Enforcement over 15 years ago. One reason I left is due to cops like this who are not trained well and have poor communications skills. I think this police officer needs some training at a minimum as he did not have to use the Taser. The driver was at fault too as he did not follow instruction even-though they were not given with the most tact.
In regard to the guy not signing the ticket, he is required to sign the ticket to be released from the traffic stop. In the eye of the law you are in police custody during the traffic stop. To be released from that custody you must sign the ticket saying you understand the ticket and that you understand what you need to do to remedy the ticket (go to court or pay for it). Now the officer did not explain either of the two points and the guy had every right to ask for an explanation. However, the drive was told that he was pulled over for speeding. If he had taken the time to look at the ticket it would have provided the detail that he requested. That would have avoided the officer asking him to get out of the car.
In regards to what happened after the guy exited the car, he did not follow instructions. He has no right to refuse the officers orders in order to see the signs that may or may not been on the road. He can go check those things out after signing the ticket and obtain evidence to support his case afterwards. The officer has an obligation to ensure the safety of the guy too. If you watch the video when the guy was questioning the locations of the sign he was stepping very close to the solid white line. If a car had come by too close it could have hit and injured him. So he must follow the officers instructions and have his day in court later.
Now the use of the Taser was completely inappropriate in my view. By pulling it out the officer escalated the situation and made the driver go into a flight mode. I don't think the guy was going to run but he was freaked out and started backing close to the lane of traffic. The officer could have achieved the same thing by just grabbing the guy by the arm and directing him to the car. If the guy resisted then he could use additional force.
So in the end these two guys got into a pissing match over something that trivial. Unless the guy is a psychopath, the cop is always going to win on the side of the road. Later, the will figure out if there was courts can figure it there was malfeasance.
Well said. I think the majority of these incidents probably result from people not doing what the cop tells them to do. Completely avoidable.
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I'll start off by saying I'm NOT a cop but I did work in Law Enforcement over 15 years ago. One reason I left is due to cops like this who are not trained well and have poor communications skills. I think this police officer needs some training at a minimum as he did not have to use the Taser. The driver was at fault too as he did not follow instruction even-though they were not given with the most tact.
In regard to the guy not signing the ticket, he is required to sign the ticket to be released from the traffic stop. In the eye of the law you are in police custody during the traffic stop. To be released from that custody you must sign the ticket saying you understand the ticket and that you understand what you need to do to remedy the ticket (go to court or pay for it). Now the officer did not explain either of the two points and the guy had every right to ask for an explanation. However, the drive was told that he was pulled over for speeding. If he had taken the time to look at the ticket it would have provided the detail that he requested. That would have avoided the officer asking him to get out of the car.
In regards to what happened after the guy exited the car, he did not follow instructions. He has no right to refuse the officers orders in order to see the signs that may or may not been on the road. He can go check those things out after signing the ticket and obtain evidence to support his case afterwards. The officer has an obligation to ensure the safety of the guy too. If you watch the video when the guy was questioning the locations of the sign he was stepping very close to the solid white line. If a car had come by too close it could have hit and injured him. So he must follow the officers instructions and have his day in court later.
Now the use of the Taser was completely inappropriate in my view. By pulling it out the officer escalated the situation and made the driver go into a flight mode. I don't think the guy was going to run but he was freaked out and started backing close to the lane of traffic. The officer could have achieved the same thing by just grabbing the guy by the arm and directing him to the car. If the guy resisted then he could use additional force.
So in the end these two guys got into a pissing match over something that trivial. Unless the guy is a psychopath, the cop is always going to win on the side of the road. Later, the courts can figure it there was malfeasance.
GOOD POST
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I'll start off by saying I'm NOT a cop but I did work in Law Enforcement over 15 years ago. One reason I left is due to cops like this who are not trained well and have poor communications skills. I think this police officer needs some training at a minimum as he did not have to use the Taser. The driver was at fault too as he did not follow instruction even-though they were not given with the most tact.
In regard to the guy not signing the ticket, he is required to sign the ticket to be released from the traffic stop. In the eye of the law you are in police custody during the traffic stop. To be released from that custody you must sign the ticket saying you understand the ticket and that you understand what you need to do to remedy the ticket (go to court or pay for it). Now the officer did not explain either of the two points and the guy had every right to ask for an explanation. However, the drive was told that he was pulled over for speeding. If he had taken the time to look at the ticket it would have provided the detail that he requested. That would have avoided the officer asking him to get out of the car.
In regards to what happened after the guy exited the car, he did not follow instructions. He has no right to refuse the officers orders in order to see the signs that may or may not been on the road. He can go check those things out after signing the ticket and obtain evidence to support his case afterwards. The officer has an obligation to ensure the safety of the guy too. If you watch the video when the guy was questioning the locations of the sign he was stepping very close to the solid white line. If a car had come by too close it could have hit and injured him. So he must follow the officers instructions and have his day in court later.
Now the use of the Taser was completely inappropriate in my view. By pulling it out the officer escalated the situation and made the driver go into a flight mode. I don't think the guy was going to run but he was freaked out and started backing close to the lane of traffic. The officer could have achieved the same thing by just grabbing the guy by the arm and directing him to the car. If the guy resisted then he could use additional force.
So in the end these two guys got into a pissing match over something that trivial. Unless the guy is a psychopath, the cop is always going to win on the side of the road. Later, the courts can figure it there was malfeasance.
very good post.. this is what i teach rookie cops. people will usually react to you. if your calm they stay calm, when you get excited, so do they. in that situation, he had no controll over the driver. he shouldnt have ever left his vehicle. then the cop was forced to use his tazer because of the situation he created.. that was bad cop vs. idiot.. hard to tell who was at fault, i guess both of them
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Most have probably seen this cause it is old...but I laugh every time I watch it. Right after the 2 minute mark is my favorite. ;D