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One key essential of Mormon doctrine is the idea that, after death, man can become God.
I sat in on a Gospel Doctrine class yesterday and was again amazed by the arrogance it takes to even have it in one's mind that he can someday be God. My wife said it was one of the best classes she'd ever attended, while the lesson made me sick to my stomach.
I don't know how they reconcile that belief with the requirement for Humility, but I can't help but wonder why so few of the Mormons ever even question this doctrine of theirs.
The teacher did admit that the larger Christian community does not understand or accept this teaching, but to be honest, I'd been involved with these guys for a couple of years before I found out anything about this stuff.
If man can become God, as they allege, then all that does is provide more support for the 'man created God' argument.
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Are there any Christians who believe that God used to be a human being?
Mormons teach that.
So, according to Mormons:
1) God used to be a man.
2) You, too, can become 'God' of your own planet.
3) God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are separate entities that operate independently of one another.
In spite of all the above, they hold fast to their claim that they are 'Christians' and that they are members of god's 'one true church'.
I think many exemplify good Christian values (better than most Christians, in fact), but at their core, they're mistaken.
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Are there any Christians who believe that God used to be a human being?
I'm thinking you mean starting out as a human being? No.
So, according to Mormons:
1) God used to be a man.
2) You, too, can become 'God' of your own planet.
3) God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are separate entities that operate independently of one another.
In spite of all the above, they hold fast to their claim that they are 'Christians' and that they are members of god's 'one true church'.
I think Mormons may consider themselves Christians because they believe the resurrection of Christ made it possible for ALL people to be resurrected and to go to heaven. I don't think they believe in hell but certain levels of heaven...the top ones go to those that were good Mormons.
I think they also believe that Jesus and Satan were brothers and God actually had intercourse w/Mary.
I think many exemplify good Christian values (better than most Christians, in fact), but at their core, they're mistaken.
I agree.
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I think they also believe that Jesus and Satan were brothers...
Yep.
And not only were they brothers, but every person who has ever lived or will live is also a brother or sister to both Jesus and Lucifer.
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Are there any Christians who believe that God used to be a human being?
Mormons teach that.
So, according to Mormons:
1) God used to be a man.
2) You, too, can become 'God' of your own planet.
3) God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are separate entities that operate independently of one another.
In spite of all the above, they hold fast to their claim that they are 'Christians' and that they are members of god's 'one true church'.
I think many exemplify good Christian values (better than most Christians, in fact), but at their core, they're mistaken.
why would Christians agree with Mormon concepts and beliefs?? they are two totally different religions.
Mormons dont consider themselves CHristians, if you ask them they will all say they are Mormons, and that there is a difference. to Mormons, Christians arent going to heaven and vice versa.
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Mormons dont consider themselves CHristians, if you ask them they will all say they are Mormons, and that there is a difference. to Mormons, Christians arent going to heaven and vice versa.
It was that way years ago. Mormons didn't want to be called Christians, because too many Christians weren't 'living the gospel' as they saw it.
Now, though, their position has done a complete 180 and they consider themselves to be the *true* Christians.
It's all about marketing and claiming Christianity has proven to be much better for their bottom line.
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It was that way years ago. Mormons didn't want to be called Christians, because too many Christians weren't 'living the gospel' as they saw it.
Now, though, their position has done a complete 180 and they consider themselves to be the *true* Christians.
It's all about marketing and claiming Christianity has proven to be much better for their bottom line.
Mormons do believe that "Christians" arent living the gospel, yes. but go to Utah and ask them what religion they are and they will tell you they are Mormon. To them there is a huge difference and they wont hesitate to tell you that they are LDS as opposed to simply Christian. trust me i lived in Provo.
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One key essential of Mormon doctrine is the idea that, after death, man can become God.
I sat in on a Gospel Doctrine class yesterday and was again amazed by the arrogance it takes to even have it in one's mind that he can someday be God. My wife said it was one of the best classes she'd ever attended, while the lesson made me sick to my stomach.
I don't know how they reconcile that belief with the requirement for Humility, but I can't help but wonder why so few of the Mormons ever even question this doctrine of theirs.
The teacher did admit that the larger Christian community does not understand or accept this teaching, but to be honest, I'd been involved with these guys for a couple of years before I found out anything about this stuff.
If man can become God, as they allege, then all that does is provide more support for the 'man created God' argument.
Actually, I can't become 'God' because of my skin color. I can only be a 'servant' in heaven. Hey, I ain't mad. At least I get to be in heaven. :P ;)
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Actually, I can't become 'God' because of my skin color. I can only be a 'servant' in heaven. Hey, I ain't mad. At least I get to be in heaven. :P ;)
That whole deal isn't funny...but your post was ;D
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I'm thinking you mean starting out as a human being? No.
I think Mormons may consider themselves Christians because they believe the resurrection of Christ made it possible for ALL people to be resurrected and to go to heaven. I don't think they believe in hell but certain levels of heaven...the top ones go to those that were good Mormons.
I think they also believe that Jesus and Satan were brothers and God actually had intercourse w/Mary.
I agree.
Sorry i have been gone for awhile, but if you want to know about the mormon church i can tell you anything you need to know. Seeing as how i am a mormon(and dont live in utah). Mormons are christians because we believe that Jesus Christ is our lord and savior. If there is another requirement i have never heard of one.
Mormons also believe that every won is a spirit son or daughter of god. that would make everybody children of god. Mormons also believe that anyone can get into the higher sections of heaven, not just mormons.
It actually makes me mad and i dont know where it can from, but mormons do not believe that god had sex with mary. All we know is what the bible says that she was filled with the spirit that is all we believe.
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Sorry i have been gone for awhile, but if you want to know about the mormon church i can tell you anything you need to know. Seeing as how i am a mormon(and dont live in utah).
Thanks genrommel and welcome back!
Mormons are christians because we believe that Jesus Christ is our lord and savior. If there is another requirement i have never heard of one.
genrommel, do you believe that Jesus Christ is God?
Mormons also believe that anyone can get into the higher sections of heaven, not just mormons.
What does it take to get into higher sections of heaven? Do you guys believe in hell?
It actually makes me mad and i dont know where it can from, but mormons do not believe that god had sex with mary. All we know is what the bible says that she was filled with the spirit that is all we believe.
Sorry about that. I think the confusion comes from stuff people like Brigham Young etc. have said. What do you think of these guys genrommel? It looks like what they may contradict the Book of Mormon side to the story of the Virgin birth:
The Bible teaches that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary. This means that Mary had no sexual relations with any man prior to the birth of Jesus.
Likewise, the Mormon church also maintains that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. However, there is quite an interesting array of Mormon authorities who have said some very interesting things about the relationship between God and Mary in regards to Jesus’ birth. Let’s take a look at some of them and see what we find.
Brigham Young, second prophet and president of the LDS church said,
"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).
Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 51).
Brigham Young said, "When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, page 218, 1857.)
Joseph Fielding Smith, stated:
"The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit." (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44) as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1854, Sal Lake City, Utah 84110, Bookstore at 1350 South West Temple. 1982, page 260).
Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, page 19)
Bruce McConkie, who was a member of the First Council of the Seventy stated,
"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, page 547.)
"And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,...Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, page 742.)
Heber C. Kimball who was a member of the first presidency said,
"In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my saviour Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it." (Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 211)
"The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband" (Deseret News, October 10, 1866) as cited in the book, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality, by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1854, Sal Lake City, Utah 84110, Bookstore at 1350 South West Temple. 1982, page 261.
What conclusions can we draw from the words of the leaders of the Mormon church regarding Jesus’ birth?
It was the result of natural action, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115).
Jesus was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 51); (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, page 19).
"The Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, page 218, 1857.)
The birth was the result of natural action, (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 115).
"The Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit." (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44)
"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, page 547.)
"There is nothing figurative about his [Jesus’] paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events" (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, page 742.)
(from carm.org)
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Does the chick I banged yesterday screaming "You're a God Alex" followed by "oh my Go" over and over counts?
I'm also a Christian.
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Sorry i have been gone for awhile, but if you want to know about the mormon church i can tell you anything you need to know. Seeing as how i am a mormon(and dont live in utah). Mormons are christians because we believe that Jesus Christ is our lord and savior. If there is another requirement i have never heard of one.
Mormons also believe that every won is a spirit son or daughter of god. that would make everybody children of god. Mormons also believe that anyone can get into the higher sections of heaven, not just mormons.
It actually makes me mad and i dont know where it can from, but mormons do not believe that god had sex with mary. All we know is what the bible says that she was filled with the spirit that is all we believe.
The fact that you believe Joseph Smith is a prophet cancels your belief that you are a true Christian..no. isnt that right Stella?
and also the fact that the Bible states that nothing can be added to the Bible as it is written condems you to hell? dont know where it is in the Bible but when i took a class in Utah and mentioned the verse, people looked at me like i was purple.
also not to be insulting, how does it feel to know that the "prophet" your religion was founded by was a pedophile? he did have sex with children and said it was an order from the lord.
also the beliefs that man was to have more than one wife; and it would be following gods order to have sex with very young girls was written and practiced by the prophet Joseph Smith. that was a part of the Mormon religion from the begining how can Mormons today say that it was wrong? they are making an exception to the original beliefs that were ordered by the very one who started the religion! if he was a prophet he would have realized it was wrong from the begining, and if Mormons were acountable they would realize also that the faults of Joseph Smith absolutely questions his credibility and the entire reilgion.
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This is being owned right here.
http://blog.shoutwire.com/2007/11/christian-guy-owns-two-mormon-bikers.html
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This is being owned right here.
http://blog.shoutwire.com/2007/11/christian-guy-owns-two-mormon-bikers.html
HAHAHAHAHAHAH great stuff as usual tu_ ;D
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH great stuff as usual tu_ ;D
When the Mormons have their "go out and bother people" training day... They should have to watch this.
"Class, when this happens... do not continue to speak."
"Run or Ride off like a little bitch, because you are on your way to an apocalyptic meltdown"
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The fact that you believe Joseph Smith is a prophet cancels your belief that you are a true Christian..no. isnt that right Stella?
Someone who is a true Christian is someone that believes they are a sinner, recognizes their need for a Savior and has accepted Jesus Christ of the Christian bible as such. There are people that have bad theology that I believe are possibly truly saved, so I guess it's possible if someone has actually accepted Christ as savior and has a belief that Joseph Smith is a prophet, or that you should not eat meat on Fridays or whatever could truly be a Christian.
The part about Mormons not believing that Christ is God (which maybe genrommel can help out on that) I think would be a problem in their believing in Christ as Savior. It seems like you'd need to believe in the Christ of the bible to be a "Christian" and not the Christ of the Book of Mormon....again, maybe genrommel could help us understand this.
and also the fact that the Bible states that nothing can be added to the Bible as it is written condems you to hell? dont know where it is in the Bible but when i took a class in Utah and mentioned the verse, people looked at me like i was purple.
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of
Revelation 22:18,19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
also not to be insulting, how does it feel to know that the "prophet" your religion was founded by was a pedophile? he did have sex with children and said it was an order from the lord.
also the beliefs that man was to have more than one wife; and it would be following gods order to have sex with very young girls was written and practiced by the prophet Joseph Smith. that was a part of the Mormon religion from the begining how can Mormons today say that it was wrong? they are making an exception to the original beliefs that were ordered by the very one who started the religion! if he was a prophet he would have realized it was wrong from the begining, and if Mormons were acountable they would realize also that the faults of Joseph Smith absolutely questions his credibility and the entire reilgion.
OK, I'm not sure if I had heard about Joseph Smith being a pedophile. Seems like people are saying that about prophets in other religions though so it sounds familiar.
Do you have any Book of Mormon verses or "Journal of Discourses" verses on this stuff?
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Oh brother... any fucks read all these posts on a daily basis.. ???
Irony is we're trolling, they take it all seriously and spend hours studying posts and shit ::)
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Oh brother... any fucks read all these posts on a daily basis.. ???
Irony is we're trolling, they take it all seriously and spend hours studying posts and shit ::)
A lot of religious people out there... People take their religion VERY seriously it seems ::)
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A lot of religious people out there... People take their religion VERY seriously it seems ::)
As long you ain't a Muslim trying to "convert" "our women", I'm ok with it... ;D
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As long you ain't a Muslim trying to "convert" "our women", I'm ok with it... ;D
Yeah, no shit... Although, only the really really stupid women go along with that conversion plan... Because anyone with half a brain can see right through that bullshit.
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Mormons are christians because we believe that Jesus Christ is our lord and savior. If there is another requirement i have never heard of one.
Most Mormons I know are kind, loving, and family-centered. That's all well and good.
Some of the major problems with Mormonism are that you're indoctrinated to believe 1) that your 'prophets' are infallible and 2) that upon death, a dead human being can be perfected and become 'gods' of your own planets.
True 'Christians' are not arrogant.
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Someone who is a true Christian is someone that believes they are a sinner, recognizes their need for a Savior and has accepted Jesus Christ of the Christian bible as such. There are people that have bad theology that I believe are possibly truly saved, so I guess it's possible if someone has actually accepted Christ as savior and has a belief that Joseph Smith is a prophet, or that you should not eat meat on Fridays or whatever could truly be a Christian.
The part about Mormons not believing that Christ is God (which maybe genrommel can help out on that) I think would be a problem in their believing in Christ as Savior. It seems like you'd need to believe in the Christ of the bible to be a "Christian" and not the Christ of the Book of Mormon....again, maybe genrommel could help us understand this.
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of
Revelation 22:18,19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
OK, I'm not sure if I had heard about Joseph Smith being a pedophile. Seems like people are saying that about prophets in other religions though so it sounds familiar.
Do you have any Book of Mormon verses or "Journal of Discourses" verses on this stuff?
I disagree, a person can be saved through the belief in what is taught in the bible only, as the book itself says so. any of shoot of Christianity i.e Mormonism isnt the same. the fact that there are glaring differences between the two i think would help support my opinion. for example i can creat a religion that has Jesus Christ as the savior but include the easter bunny as a prophet and claim that going out during the day while the sun is up is a sin, that shouldnt be the same as true Christianity nor should it be good/close enough to get you to heaven
yes this is the one, "if anyone adds anything to them" the book of Mormon
he married and had children with a 14 year old
i do at home, im a work right now
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I disagree, a person can be saved through the belief in what is taught in the bible only, as the book itself says so. any of shoot of Christianity i.e Mormonism isnt the same. the fact that there are glaring differences between the two i think would help support my opinion. for example i can creat a religion that has Jesus Christ as the savior but include the easter bunny as a prophet and claim that going out during the day while the sun is up is a sin, that shouldnt be the same as true Christianity nor should it be good/close enough to get you to heaven
I see what you're saying and I think we're saying the same thing in a way. We're both saying they need to accept the Jesus of the Bible as Savior. This means Jesus who is God etc. I don't think Mormons believe he is God.
But what I'm also saying is there are people that do believe Jesus of the bible as Savior but also have additional beliefs that come from elsewhere such as people from diff. denominations that teach their people non-scriptural stuff such as Catholics. If all they're counting on is what Christ did, they're in according to the bible. The fact that they may pray to Mary or other dead people (an abomination in the eyes of God) or follow other non-scriptural traditions would not necessarily negate them from God's grace in Jesus Christ imo if they truly accepted Him as their only savior.
We had a discussion at church once about people that believe you have to be water-baptized to be saved. I see where these people may become confused but you do NOT have to be water-baptized to be saved. It is all faith through grace and not of works so that no one can boast (EPH 2:8,9).
I asked the Pastor if people who believe this are really saved. He said only God knows because, did they accept Christ and then start to belief the false teaching (as the Galatians)? Or is the false teaching a part of their belief as a combo between that and Christ? If they are counting on anything they themselves have done, it's not scriptural.
I hope you could follow my rambling ;D
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I see what you're saying and I think we're saying the same thing in a way. We're both saying they need to accept the Jesus of the Bible as Savior. This means Jesus who is God etc. I don't think Mormons believe he is God.
But what I'm also saying is there are people that do believe Jesus of the bible as Savior but also have additional beliefs that come from elsewhere such as people from diff. denominations that teach their people non-scriptural stuff such as Catholics. If all they're counting on is what Christ did, they're in according to the bible. The fact that they may pray to Mary or other dead people (an abomination in the eyes of God) or follow other non-scriptural traditions would not necessarily negate them from God's grace in Jesus Christ imo if they truly accepted Him as their only savior.
We had a discussion at church once about people that believe you have to be water-baptized to be saved. I see where these people may become confused but you do NOT have to be water-baptized to be saved. It is all faith through grace and not of works so that no one can boast (EPH 2:8,9).
I asked the Pastor if people who believe this are really saved. He said only God knows because, did they accept Christ and then start to belief the false teaching (as the Galatians)? Or is the false teaching a part of their belief as a combo between that and Christ? If they are counting on anything they themselves have done, it's not scriptural.
I hope you could follow my rambling ;D
I can't believe that grown adults actually believe this shit.
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I can't believe that grown adults actually believe this shit.
The indoctrination is very strong, primarily because none of 'the faithful' believe they've been brainwashed. I have to work hard against it in my own home, but thankfully, my kid is smart and I'm making sure that she's got plenty of common sense. I also do not allow any talk of 'the prophet' at home.
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The indoctrination is very strong, primarily because none of 'the faithful' believe they've been brainwashed. I have to work hard against it in my own home, but thankfully, my kid is smart and I'm making sure that she's got plenty of common sense. I also do not allow any talk of 'the prophet' at home.
Tell that to Stella.
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I can't believe that grown adults actually believe this shit.
Here's a question for you... Which is more believable... Jesus / God... or Santa Clause?
As a talking point, one of them actually can get real mail delivered to them.
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I can't believe that grown adults actually believe this shit.
At what age do you consider someone an adult? Late teens? Me too. BTW, when the moon is in the 7th house, and jupiter aligns w/Mars, will peace guide the planets? ;D
Here's a question for you... Which is more believable... Jesus / God... or Santa Clause?
As a talking point, one of them actually can get real mail delivered to them.
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Hi tu_holmes! Are you talking about Santa imposters ??? Thought you may get a laugh out of this:
Lord's Mail Gets Special Delivery
Jerusalem Post Office Delivers Mail Addressed To God To Western Wall
JERUSALEM, Oct. 2, 2003
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(AP) Ever felt your prayers went unanswered? Try sending a letter to God and chances are it will end up, as many do each year, at an Israeli post office in Jerusalem, where they are read and sent on to the holy Western Wall.
The letters come from all over the world in a host of languages. The elderly ask for good health. Others seek heavenly remedies for debts, relationship assistance, or help finding jobs. Children mainly ask God to spring them from homework assignments. The trickle of requests turns into a flood around Christmas and the Jewish holidays.
“We have hundreds and thousands of letters sent to either God or Jesus Christ and for some unknown reason they all come to Jerusalem,” said Yitzhak Rabihiya, a postal spokesman.
“Dear Sir,” begins one letter whose address reads “God of Israel” and whose request is for assistance landing a job as a bulldozer driver.
One Israeli man used to write twice a year in the same distinctive handwriting, addressing the envelopes to “Angels above in Seventh Heaven.”
As long as anyone at the post office can remember, the letters to God have turned up at the Postal Authority's center for undeliverable mail in an industrial zone in Jerusalem.
In the tiny warehouse, eight workers sort problem envelopes into pigeonholes labeled for junk mail, government bureaus, social security and health insurance offices and “Letters to God.”
Ten such pleas for divine intervention have arrived in the last couple of days, some from the United States, France, Nigeria, Australia and Ecuador. One came, somehow, with no stamps.
Puzzled by what to do with the letters, one worker started taking them to the Western Wall, a remnant of the ancient Second Temple compound and Judaism's holiest site, where Jews traditionally stuff tiny notes of prayer in the cracks between its hulking stones.
“From there, it's not in our hands,” Rabihiya said.
Eventually, the notes and letters left at the Wall are buried on Jerusalem's outskirts along with damaged religious texts and other materials considered too holy for the garbage dump.
The notes offer a sometimes charming glimpse into people's private wishes. One man asks for forgiveness for stealing money from a grocery store as a child.
Another man from Saulsbury, Tenn., wrote a tiny message and asked the postmaster to deliver it to the Western Wall, because he heard a rumor that would work. It reads: “Please help me to be happy. Please help me find a nice job in Tallahassee or Monroe or some nice place and find a good wife - soon. Amen, Daryl.”
One writer asked God to answer a friend's prayers, and in a postscript gives the friend's address, adding, “But you knew that.”
A chain letter in Arabic from “the Virgin Mary” called for peace in Bosnia and asked the recipient to send the letter to 20 other people.
The notes also speak of tragedy, relaying desperate prayers from people who are in trouble or lonely.
The postal workers recently suffered their own loss and grief. Yitzhak Moyal, 63, one of the workers who took the letters to the Western Wall, was killed in a suicide bombing on May 18.
Avi Yaniv, head of the undeliverable mail department, said friends have told him he and his crew are like God's deputies because they shuttle people's prayers to the Wall.
Some letters touch him, such as one from a Kenyan man asking God to save his marriage. “I believe in God, so I want to help these people,” the 60-year-old Yaniv said.
The postal workers' favorite anecdote is about an Israeli man who, years ago, wrote a letter to God describing his crippling poverty and asking for 5,000 shekels ($1,000). Postal workers were so moved they collected 4,300 shekels and mailed it back.
“After a month the same person writes again to God,” Rabihiya recalled, “but this time he writes, 'Oh, thank you God for the contribution, but next time please don't send it through those postmen. They're thieves; they stole 700 shekels.”'
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why would Christians agree with Mormon concepts and beliefs?? they are two totally different religions.
Mormons dont consider themselves CHristians, if you ask them they will all say they are Mormons, and that there is a difference. to Mormons, Christians arent going to heaven and vice versa.
That is not true. Get your facts straight before you make yourself look like a jabroni. Mormons do consider themselves christians. Hence why we have Christs name in the name of our church.... We are the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We didn't create the word Mormon to describe our religion someone else did..
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That is not true. Get your facts straight before you make yourself look like a jabroni. Mormons do consider themselves christians. Hence why we have Christs name in the name of our church
What you're saying is true, but for the majority of time your church has been in existence, your leadership did reject the 'Christian' label in large part because you felt mainstream Christianity had fallen too far away from the original guiding principles of the faith.
In recent times, Mormons have wholeheartedly embraced the Christian label, because it's very good for the bottom line.
As I said, though, true Christians could never be arrogant enough to be true Mormons.
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That is not true. Get your facts straight before you make yourself look like a jabroni. Mormons do consider themselves christians. Hence why we have Christs name in the name of our church.... We are the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We didn't create the word Mormon to describe our religion someone else did..
My facts are great. check yours. Mormons dont consider themselves Christians, they prefer Mormon or LDS. They take much pride in the distinct differences between the two religions (so mush so that they created a another bible ::))
they used the term "Christianity" to ease the abrasiveness of their religion, thus making the transfer to mainstream easier.
and you lose credibility when you use the word jabroni. what is this 1998?
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As I said, modern Mormons gladly embrace the term 'Christian' in describing themselves.
When questioned, the latter-day response is: "What do you mean we're not Christians. Of course we are! We just believe in a different Godhead, that's all."
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As I said, modern Mormons gladly embrace the term 'Christian' in describing themselves.
When questioned, the latter-day response is: "What do you mean we're not Christians. Of course we are! We just believe in a different Godhead, that's all."
some may use the term "Christian" but the differences are huge. go to Provo and ask them what religion they are..
would a true Christian consider a LDS a "Christian"? no, according the Bible they should be going to hell.
where did you get that quoted response BTW?
and the fact that they believe in a different godhead would exclude them from being "Christian".
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some may use the term "Christian" but the differences are huge. go to Provo and ask them what religion they are..
would a true Christian consider a LDS a "Christian"? no, according the Bible they should be going to hell.
where did you get that quoted response BTW?
and the fact that they believe in a different godhead would exclude them from being "Christian".
We believe that god and jesus are two separate beings. And jesus is a god. The church name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." The original name was the church of Christ.
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We believe that god and jesus are two separate beings. And jesus is a god. The church name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." The original name was the church of Christ.
So this whole "one god" thing that the Old Testament speaks about is not for you guys?
Interesting.
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So this whole "one god" thing that the Old Testament speaks about is not for you guys?
Interesting.
Jesus is the son of God that makes him a god a well, however, he still is the SON of god
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Jesus is the son of God that makes him a god a well, however, he still is the SON of god
You can't be God if you're the son of God... I'm the son of my father and I'm not him.
That just makes no sense.
Now, if you're going to say that Jesus is a "part" of God... then it sounds a little more like what you're describing.
That said, then he's not God's son... He just is God.
You can't have it both ways.
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We believe that god and jesus are two separate beings.
thats not Christian, it doesnt say that in the Bible.
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thats not Christian, it doesnt say that in the Bible.
Acts 7:55-56
55-But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God
56- ANd said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standingon the right hand of God.
That sounds like two separate beings to me
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Acts 7:55-56
55-But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God
56- ANd said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standingon the right hand of God.
That sounds like two separate beings to me
than your interpritation on the Gospel is incorrect. they are not two seperate entities, Father,Son and Holy Ghost are the Trinity, all in one. are you implying that they are three seperate beings? I know that is what they preach in the LDS church.
Stella can you confirm that the Father, Son and HolySpirit are in fact one?
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Yes, mainstream Christianity swears by the Holy Trinity. In Mormonism, it's the Holy One-Two-Three.
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than your interpritation on the Gospel is incorrect. they are not two seperate entities, Father,Son and Holy Ghost are the Trinity, all in one. are you implying that they are three seperate beings? I know that is what they preach in the LDS church.
Stella can you confirm that the Father, Son and HolySpirit are in fact one?
Yes, the concept of the Trinity is pretty hard to grasp but yes, the bible teaches that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God in three "persons," not three separate Gods.
Deut 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
John 1:1-4
The Word becoming flesh
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Col 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form
Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
Acts 5:3-4
Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."
Here is an excerpt from "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis that may help in understanding the TRinity:
A world of one dimension would be a straight line. In a two-dimensional word, you still get straight lines, but many lines make one figure. In a three-dimensional world, you still get figures but many figures make one solid body. In other words, as you advance to more real and more complicated levels, you do not leave behind you the things you found on the simpler levels: you still have them, but combined in new ways--in ways you could not imagine if you knew only the simpler levels.
Now the Christian account of God involves just the same principle. The human level is a simple and rather empty level. On the human level one person is one being, and any two persons are two separate beings- just as in two dimensions (say on a flat sheet of paper) one square is one figure, and two squares are two separate figures. On the Divine level you still find personalities; but up there you find them combined in new ways which we, who do not live on that level, cannot imagine. In God's dimension, so to speak, you find a being who is three Persons while remaining one Being, just as a cube is six squares while remaining one cube. [MERE CHRISTIANITY p. 137-138]
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Ive always been so fascinated by the Mormon religion, never tempted but very fascinated for some reason. I dont mean to be condescending towards the LDS, but the distinct differences between Christianity as i was taught and LDS are very important, salvation should depend on it right? For some reason i get defensive when people try to blur the lines between the two religions. And to be honest it always Mormons trying to convince others that their religion can be considered Christian and not the Christians trying to convince others that their religion could also be considered Mormon.