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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=assael/071125
These are exerpts of Dan Duchaine's memoirs.
Carlsbad, California
March 1997
While lying in bed on one of their Nubain getaways, Dan told Mary Lou, "You know what I hate about you? Your skin." It was too loose for competitive bodybuilding, he thought. What she needed was the translucent, shrink-wrapped look that judges liked. And as it happened, he had just the ticket: an industrial chemical named Dinitrophenol. DNP was employed in the early 1900s to ignite explosives. But German researchers found that it led to drastic weight loss when swallowed because it caused the body to burn calories. By turning the internal thermostat way up, DNP, which is similar in structure to TNT, can increase one's metabolism by as much as 50 percent.
The key is knowing how much DNP to take. When he first got his hands on a sample of the yellow powder, Duchaine asked his friend John Romano to help him put it into gel capsules. After a while, Romano couldn't understand why he felt so hot. Finally, it occurred to him that he was absorbing the powder through his pores. His temperature had soared to 103 degrees. Mary Lou was a willing subject, perhaps too willing. One day she took more DNP than Duchaine had advised. Unable to reach Duchaine, she called his aide, Bruce Kneller, to ask what was happening to her. "How much are you taking?" he asked. When she told him, he was aghast. "If you keep that up, you're going to die."
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Tijuana, Mexico
October 16, 1998
Whether Dan Duchaine loved Mary Lou was irrelevant. On a visit to Scottsdale, Arizona, he walked into a jewelry store and walked out with a two-and-a-half carat diamond ring. At dinner that night, he slid it across the table and said, "I want to marry you. I want us to make a baby." Even through her Nubain haze, Mary Lou had difficulty saying yes. She had lost everything -- her husband, her friends, her life back East. For a time, all she had left was her bodybuilding dream and Duchaine ruined that as well. She had been knocked from the 1997 Nationals in Dallas in the first round, and with the 1998 show a month away, she looked like hell.
Duchaine's solution: "You need calf implants."
So they set out for a clinic over the border in Mexico. Duchaine checked her in, got a hotel room, then came back just as she was being wheeled into surgery. "You'll be fine," he said. The operation was declared a success, but it hadn't gone well. Mary Lou realized as much when she awoke in the middle of the night with her feet incredibly numb. It felt, she would later remember, like a terrible case of frostbite. She dragged herself to the nurse's station, but the nurse didn't speak English and ordered her back to bed. The blood vessels in Mary Lou's legs had not been properly re-attached. Her lower body was essentially cut off from her circulatory system. She was rushed into the operating room so the implants, now leaking silicone, could be removed. Seeing her leg sliced open on either side as though it had zippers made Mary Lou grow faint and she screamed, "I want to go to an American hospital!" An ambulance raced her back across the border. By the time they pulled up to the emergency room of Scripps Mercy Hospital in San Diego, Mary Lou's kidneys and liver were in a state of near-failure. While Shelley Harvey was in England, recovering from the brain damage caused by the motorcycle accident, the woman Dan Duchaine had selected to replace her, a woman whom he had promised prize-winning legs, was about to have one of them sawed off.
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So what ended up happening to her leg?
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The roid monkeys around here revere this guy like the second coming of christ....fuckin idiots hahah
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So what ended up happening to her leg?
It was bronzed and awarded to the 2nd runner-up of Bum Fights 2005.
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dnp works by making your production of atp inneficient...so its like your doign anerobic exercise all day long. depending on how much you take, you can increase your bmr infinitely up untill the point where you will kill yourself because your burning too many calories.
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Some people here have talked about that incident with the girlfriend. Perhaps they will chime in.
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Sad Story ... damn ... :-\
I had a Friend who was taking DNP a few Years back ... LORD GOD, did he sweat !! All the flipping time ... I remember going into his Job ( GNC at that time ) and seeing him slouched over the counter with a Towel draped over his Back with sweat, quite literally, pouring from his Head. He looked at me ( Pale as fuck, by the way ) and said, " I don't think I should be taking this shit ... it's crazier than Cocaine. " Go figure, huh ?! ::)
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you will kill yourself because your burning too many calories.
wrong.
what makes DNP so dangerous isn't the body burning too many calories (this is ridiculous) but the fact there is no feedback mechanism to control it.
this means, if you take too much, your body has no way of 'turning off' its effects, much to the extent to where your body will eventually overheat to the point of hyperthermia and beyond, causing death.
it has nothing to do with caloric intake.
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wrong.
what makes DNP so dangerous isn't the body burning too many calories (this is ridiculous) but the fact there is no feedback mechanism to control it.
this means, if you take too much, your body has no way of 'turning off' its effects, much to the extent to where your body will eventually overheat to the point of hyperthermia and beyond, causing death.
it has nothing to do with caloric intake.
um. your fucking retarded. that is excactly what i said; except you longated it and made it sound intelligent. "wrrong. it kills you because your body cant shut it off"...shut what off? shut off the innefficient production of atp; thats what. and what causes your body temperature to rise? a raise in body temperature from dnp is the result of the accelerated rate of burning calories that is happening inside your body.
you are fucking STUPIDDDDDDDDDD
dont ever try to make me sound wrong by saying what i said in a longer way. its just plain
STUPIDDDDD
hahaha
stupiddddd
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Sad Story ... damn ... :-\
I had a Friend who was taking DNP a few Years back ... LORD GOD, did he sweat !! All the flipping time ... I remember going into his Job ( GNC at that time ) and seeing him slouched over the counter with a Towel draped over his Back with sweat, quite literally, pouring from his Head. He looked at me ( Pale as fuck, by the way ) and said, " I don't think I should be taking this shit ... it's crazier than Cocaine. " Go figure, huh ?! ::)
lol...
ID, the shits no joke- i laugh cause i know exactly how your buddy was feeling. jezus.
just the act of walking feels like you are trying to walk underwater.
the lethargy that is associated with this shit is unimaginable.
forget about sleeping- strip your bed sheets off and sleep on beach towels, then be prepared to change them 3 times thru the nite.
it works- no doubt about it, but the sides make it to discomforting too use.
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your fucking retarded.
This makes me laugh, if you can tell me why you win a prize!
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um. your fucking retarded. that is excactly what i said; except you longated it and made it sound intelligent. "wrrong. it kills you because your body cant shut it off"...shut what off? shut off the innefficient production of atp; thats what. and what causes your body temperature to rise? a raise in body temperature from dnp is the result of the accelerated rate of burning calories that is happening inside your body.
you are fucking STUPIDDDDDDDDDD
dont ever try to make me sound wrong by saying what i said in a longer way. its just plain
STUPIDDDDD
hahaha
stupiddddd
don't argue with me about something you know nothing about, you'll only make yourself look stupid which takes away from the fun i'll have doing it.
tell us candizzle about all your real world experience with this substance.
next time, save the copy/ paste from wikipedia for your science homework.
lol.
do yourself a favour- stop now cause i can go on busting you up all day.
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obviously i am right ad you are wrong, or else you would have shown me to be wrong. but nope...all you ca do is fall back upon the fact that you were born before i was. great argument! haha. experience doesnt mean jackshit. to take a line from barack obama... dick cheney and donald rumsfeld were just about the most experienced people in washington d.c....hahaha...yeah; sure, experience matters a whole lot!
what matters is that i know what is actually happening to you when you take that drug; while you just know what it feels like is happening to you.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=assael/071125
These are exerpts of Dan Duchaine's memoirs.
Carlsbad, California
March 1997
While lying in bed on one of their Nubain getaways, Dan told Mary Lou, "You know what I hate about you? Your skin." It was too loose for competitive bodybuilding, he thought. What she needed was the translucent, shrink-wrapped look that judges liked. And as it happened, he had just the ticket: an industrial chemical named Dinitrophenol. DNP was employed in the early 1900s to ignite explosives. But German researchers found that it led to drastic weight loss when swallowed because it caused the body to burn calories. By turning the internal thermostat way up, DNP, which is similar in structure to TNT, can increase one's metabolism by as much as 50 percent.
The key is knowing how much DNP to take. When he first got his hands on a sample of the yellow powder, Duchaine asked his friend John Romano to help him put it into gel capsules. After a while, Romano couldn't understand why he felt so hot. Finally, it occurred to him that he was absorbing the powder through his pores. His temperature had soared to 103 degrees. Mary Lou was a willing subject, perhaps too willing. One day she took more DNP than Duchaine had advised. Unable to reach Duchaine, she called his aide, Bruce Kneller, to ask what was happening to her. "How much are you taking?" he asked. When she told him, he was aghast. "If you keep that up, you're going to die."
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Tijuana, Mexico
October 16, 1998
Whether Dan Duchaine loved Mary Lou was irrelevant. On a visit to Scottsdale, Arizona, he walked into a jewelry store and walked out with a two-and-a-half carat diamond ring. At dinner that night, he slid it across the table and said, "I want to marry you. I want us to make a baby." Even through her Nubain haze, Mary Lou had difficulty saying yes. She had lost everything -- her husband, her friends, her life back East. For a time, all she had left was her bodybuilding dream and Duchaine ruined that as well. She had been knocked from the 1997 Nationals in Dallas in the first round, and with the 1998 show a month away, she looked like hell.
Duchaine's solution: "You need calf implants."
So they set out for a clinic over the border in Mexico. Duchaine checked her in, got a hotel room, then came back just as she was being wheeled into surgery. "You'll be fine," he said. The operation was declared a success, but it hadn't gone well. Mary Lou realized as much when she awoke in the middle of the night with her feet incredibly numb. It felt, she would later remember, like a terrible case of frostbite. She dragged herself to the nurse's station, but the nurse didn't speak English and ordered her back to bed. The blood vessels in Mary Lou's legs had not been properly re-attached. Her lower body was essentially cut off from her circulatory system. She was rushed into the operating room so the implants, now leaking silicone, could be removed. Seeing her leg sliced open on either side as though it had zippers made Mary Lou grow faint and she screamed, "I want to go to an American hospital!" An ambulance raced her back across the border. By the time they pulled up to the emergency room of Scripps Mercy Hospital in San Diego, Mary Lou's kidneys and liver were in a state of near-failure. While Shelley Harvey was in England, recovering from the brain damage caused by the motorcycle accident, the woman Dan Duchaine had selected to replace her, a woman whom he had promised prize-winning legs, was about to have one of them sawed off.
I still believe to this day that Dan Duchaine is responsible for John Romanos mild case of mental retardation. Who lets someone jab an needle into them and inject them without telling the whats in it?
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obviously i am right ad you are wrong, or else you would have shown me to be wrong.
you said
you can increase your bmr infinitely up untill the point where you will kill yourself because your burning too many calories.
that implies that you run out of calories, so adding more calories would counteract it. but that's not it. you die because you overheat.
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This makes me laugh, if you can tell me why you win a prize!
Hahahah, only a retard would call someone else a retard while using incorrect punctuation.
Now what's my prize!?
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The roid monkeys around here revere this guy like the second coming of christ....fuckin idiots hahah
Yeah, really. Duchaine was the Chad Nicholls of his time.
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what matters is that i know what is actually happening to you when you take that drug; while you just know what it feels like is happening to you.
Err... Wrong...
I used to think like you. But then when I put what I learned into action, I realized that you still cant identify what youre feeling based on what you know.
It's good to know the gist of whats going on, but there is NO replacement for experience.
BTW No One, I never got sides that bad, and I ran up to 600mg/day. The worst I got was a light sweat, like a morning jog.
Then again, I have a resistance to chemicals like a horse, so maybe Im just weird?
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Then again, I have a resistance to chemicals like a horse, so maybe Im just weird?
and have a death wish.
kids, don't use DNP. one miscalculated dose can kill you. and it isn't an instant death, but one that will play out over a few days, with you being completely aware of what is happening, but there will be nothing you can do to stop it.
btw, DNP is the main ingredient in RAID and other bug sprays.
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obviously i am right ad you are wrong, or else you would have shown me to be wrong. but nope...all you ca do is fall back upon the fact that you were born before i was. great argument! haha. experience doesnt mean jackshit. to take a line from barack obama... dick cheney and donald rumsfeld were just about the most experienced people in washington d.c....hahaha...yeah; sure, experience matters a whole lot!
what matters is that i know what is actually happening to you when you take that drug; while you just know what it feels like is happening to you.
Please explain (in accurate scientific terms) ... as you say EXACTLY what is happening when you take the drug...
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Duchaine sounds like a wild eyed meth addict.
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The long and short of it is;'
The body doesn't have a natural feedback system for it....
So it can't regulate it AT ALL...
Which means the temp of your body will raise paralleling the dosage you take...
Unlike say, ECA, Or Coke, where in higher amounts the effects of the drug diminish relative to the dosage taken.
So you will literally fry yourself from the inside out.
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Duchaine sounds like a wild eyed meth addict.
1) sounded
2) it was Nubain
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I had a friend in college that was a goddamn juice monkey to the extreme and this is what he used to keep lean because he hated doing cardio. And the temperature thing is completely correct as we used to work at a bar and during the winter months he would always ask to work the door so he could stand outside because he would way over heat if he stayed indoors.
True Story.
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I still believe to this day that Dan Duchaine is responsible for John Romanos mild case of mental retardation. Who lets someone jab an needle into them and inject them without telling the whats in it?
Barry Bonds?
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Barry Bonds?
Paul Dillet.
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love to read the whole article.
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Duchaine was a scientist, only his lab rats were actually human beings, bbers.
he was always experimenting. he wouldn't just settle when he found something that worked, he would constantly seek something knew to try. i don't think he was interested in bbing per se, more in the science of what he could create. like the fictional dr frankenstein, this is what excited him.
by performing his own experiments he is responsible for the induction of many of the widely used peds today. this is a fact and, good or bad, no one before or after him has come close.
it's a bit scary that this crazy scientist with so little formal education on endocrinology or human biology had so much influence on peds, but the reality is he was the only scientist crazy enough to take these kinds of risks with other people's health (he did experiment a little with himself but he quickly realised that he didn't have the genetics for successful bbing).
Duchaine was morally defunct and dangerous imo, but there is no doubt that he deserves the moniker, 'guru'.
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Err... Wrong...
I used to think like you. But then when I put what I learned into action, I realized that you still cant identify what youre feeling based on what you know.
It's good to know the gist of whats going on, but there is NO replacement for experience.
BTW No One, I never got sides that bad, and I ran up to 600mg/day. The worst I got was a light sweat, like a morning jog.
Then again, I have a resistance to chemicals like a horse, so maybe Im just weird?
could be a few things involved- but i doubt it would be tolerance- just the fact there is no regulatory feedback with this compound shows it doesn't discriminate when it comes to who gets the sides and to what extent- it is what it is. sides are strictly dosage dependant.
running 600mg a day you should have been a mess. at 200 the sides are tolerable, at 600 its a nitemare. sweat dripping off of your nose half way thru meals, etc. just a shit show. forget about functioning at any kind of normal level. i never built up a tolerance to it at any time over the periods i used it- it was as bad each and and every time.
i'd say if anything, the type (crystaline or powder) and the source would be the number one culprit in determining why it didnt seem to affect you in the way running that dose should.
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Hahahah, only a retard would call someone else a retard while using incorrect punctuation.
Now what's my prize!?
I didn't call anyone a retard!!!!
However as you spotted my intentional(obviously) mistake you therefore earn yourself a bonus point.
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um. your fucking retarded. that is excactly what i said; except you longated it and made it sound intelligent.
;D
dont ever try to make me sound wrong by saying what i said in a longer way. its just plain
STUPIDDDDD
LOL... that's hysterical :)
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Duchaine was a scientist, only his lab rats were actually human beings, bbers.
he was always experimenting. he wouldn't just settle when he found something that worked, he would constantly seek something knew to try. i don't think he was interested in bbing per se, more in the science of what he could create. like the fictional dr frankenstein, this is what excited him.
by performing his own experiments he is responsible for the induction of many of the widely used peds today. this is a fact and, good or bad, no one before or after him has come close.
it's a bit scary that this crazy scientist with so little formal education on endocrinology or human biology had so much influence on peds, but the reality is he was the only scientist crazy enough to take these kinds of risks with other people's health (he did experiment a little with himself but he quickly realised that he didn't have the genetics for successful bbing).
Duchaine was morally defunct and dangerous imo, but there is no doubt that he deserves the moniker, 'guru'.
Dan was a very intelligent guy. Crazy, but very intelligent. He had other more lucid recommendations for those that weren't willing to be his lab rats.
It just goes to show you that some BB'rs are willing to try anything to get the edge. There's no other sport where people will put there health on the line in this way (trusting someone like Dan to experiment on them), imo.
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Sometimes Muscular Development has something interesting, here's another chunk of the book:
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1000/79/ .
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Dan was ahead of his time...and very nice to me and others...