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The article in typical skeptic's fashion denounced two thirds of America as being complete idiots. Of course it's always easier to grab the high ground by tossing out the tin foil hat to your opponents and you can just about count on the tactic being used every single time.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11242007/news/nationalnews/blame_u_s__for_9_11_idiots_in_majority_318165.htm
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People are waking up to the truth.
Very hard to say 62% of the nation is "crazy".
wait til it's 70, 80, or 90%.
I know that in other countries, a much higher % that 62% beleives it.
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People are waking up to the truth.
Very hard to say 62% of the nation is "crazy".
wait til it's 70, 80, or 90%.
I know that in other countries, a much higher % that 62% beleives it.
Cue Beach Bum...
BB says: "D'OH! :("
;D
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Cue Beach Bum...
BB says: "D'OH! :("
;D
Not. :) Here is the full text of the article. Need I say more? :)
'BLAME U.S. FOR 9/11' IDIOTS IN MAJORITY
'PLOTS' THICKEN IN SHOCKING POLL
By ANDY SOLTIS
Click image to enlarge.November 24, 2007 -- Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe the federal government had warnings about 9/11 but decided to ignore them, a national survey found.
And that's not the only conspiracy theory with a huge number of true believers in the United States.
The poll found that more than one out of three Americans believe Washington is concealing the truth about UFOs and the Kennedy assassination - and most everyone is sure the rise in gas prices is one vast oil-industry conspiracy.
Sixty-two percent of those polled thought it was "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials turned a blind eye to specific warnings of the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
Only 30 percent said the 9/11 theory was "not likely," according to the Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.
The findings followed a 2006 poll by the same researchers, who found that 36 percent of Americans believe federal government officials "either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action" because they wanted "to go to war in the Middle East."
In that poll, 16 percent said the Twin Towers might have collapsed because of secretly planted explosives - not hijacked passenger jets flown into them.
And what hit the Pentagon? Twelve percent figured it was a US cruise missile.
Anger at the federal government and skepticism in general by younger Americans is fueling the popularity of crackpot conspiracy theories.
Only 12 percent of Americans expressed anger at the government following the 2001 terrorist attack, but that grew steadily and reached 54 percent last year.
Most young adults give some credence to a conspiracy theory, while seniors are the least likely to believe in one, pollsters found.
In the latest Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll, 811 US adults were interviewed Sept. 24 to Oct. 10. Among the findings:
* 42 percent believe the federal government knew in advance of the plot to assassinate John F. Kennedy, compared with 40 percent who call that theory "not likely."
* 37 percent believe UFOs are real and that the feds have been hiding the truth about them.
The 2006 poll found 36 percent believed the government was also hiding proof that intelligent life exists on other planets.
* Eight out of 10 Americans suspect oil companies are conspiring to keep fuel prices high and 50 percent said a conspiracy is "very likely." Only 14 percent felt it was unlikely.
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Not. :) Here is the full text of the article. Need I say more? :)
The only thing you need to say is that you just backed up exactly what I said in the original post and that you're fully willing to participate in the tactic.
The article in typical skeptic's fashion denounced two thirds of America as being complete idiots. Of course it's always easier to grab the high ground by tossing out the tin foil hat to your opponents and you can just about count on the tactic being used every single time.
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Beach Bum, a lot of NASA and military leaders have admitted UFOs are real.
Gorbachev did. As did many US govt leaders.
Are they all crazy?
Face it, you've been conditioned to use the "tinfoil hat UFO" label on anyone who discusses a theory you don't understand or haven't researched.
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The only thing you need to say is that you just backed up exactly what I said in the original post and that you're fully willing to participate in the tactic.
I admit that when people believe in theories that don't make a lick of sense, I will toss out the "tin foil hat." But only when it's deserved.
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I admit that when people believe in theories that don't make a lick of sense, I will toss out the "tin foil hat." But only when it's deserved.
Okay. Do US Govt officials, military personnel, and foreign world leaders deserve a "tinfoil hat" comment when they admit there are UFOs?
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Beach Bum, a lot of NASA and military leaders have admitted UFOs are real.
Gorbachev did. As did many US govt leaders.
Are they all crazy?
Face it, you've been conditioned to use the "tinfoil hat UFO" label on anyone who discusses a theory you don't understand or haven't researched.
Anyone who believes that an alien spaceship landed and was secretly captured by the U.S. government and that the U.S. government has been hiding this alien spaceship is nuts.
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Anyone who believes that an alien spaceship landed and was secretly captured by the U.S. government and that the U.S. government has been hiding this alien spaceship is nuts.
so people who believe there are alien life forms who visit us, fly over our towns to observe us, and circle our spacecraft - those people are perfectly sane.
But -
People who believe the govt would l-l-lie to us - they are nuts?
hmmmmm
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Anyone who believes that an alien spaceship landed and was secretly captured by the U.S. government and that the U.S. government has been hiding this alien spaceship is nuts.
OK - we know you think they are nut's now how about you explain why they are nuts
Maybe you can also explain why we should believe you're correct rather than believing a long lists of pilots, astronauts, air traffic controllers, world leaders, etc....
These people have everything to lose by coming foward and nothing to gain.
Again - on what basis should anyone believe you and disregard them??
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Anyone who believes that an alien spaceship landed and was secretly captured by the U.S. government and that the U.S. government has been hiding this alien spaceship is nuts.
Anyone??? That's the problem, you're not willing to even listen, you're ready with the nuts lable.
These guys don't seem nuts to me, Army investigator who went out with a team and walked around, touched, documented a ufo that landed outside the base. This experience changed their lives but you wouldn't want to hear their story, they're just nuts...
http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/UFO%20Invasion%20-%20Rendlesham%20.wmv
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Okay. Do US Govt officials, military personnel, and foreign world leaders deserve a "tinfoil hat" comment when they admit there are UFOs?
They can "admit" whatever they want. Doesn't prove a thing. I was referring to hiding alien spaceships. Who, specifically, has made this contention?
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Anyone??? That's the problem, you're not willing to even listen, you're ready with the nuts lable.
These guys don't seem nuts to me, Army investigator who went out with a team and walked around, touched, documented a ufo that landed outside the base. This experience changed their lives but you wouldn't want to hear their story, they're just nuts...
http://www.checktheevidence.com/video/UFO%20Invasion%20-%20Rendlesham%20.wmv
No I'm not willing to listen. Anyone who wants to talk to me about the government hiding an alien spaceship, being abducted by aliens, being impregnated by aliens, crop circles, or anything of that nature will get the tin foil hat. :) To me, that stuff doesn't make any dang sense.
Someone seeing "an unidentified flying object" is one thing, but the whole War of the Worlds, Independence Day, Mars Attacks, Transformers stuff is for Hollywood.
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so people who believe there are alien life forms who visit us, fly over our towns to observe us, and circle our spacecraft - those people are perfectly sane.
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People who believe the govt would l-l-lie to us - they are nuts?
I didn't think you'd have the courage to answer this one, which very clearly shows the illogical nature of your argument.
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I didn't think you'd have the courage to answer this one, which very clearly shows the illogical nature of your argument.
::) Go back and read what I said . . . after you've responded to Hedge's pointed questions about Hitler. :)
And I'm not making an "argument." I'm expressing an opinion.
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They can "admit" whatever they want. Doesn't prove a thing. I was referring to hiding alien spaceships. Who, specifically, has made this contention?
Bum - I was talking about the phenomena in general and not the alleged recovery of craft - although there are many stories of such, mostly from the military and also from military in other countries who have knowledge of our operations in this area.
BTW - You're the one who brought up topic of the US governement hiding alien spacecraft.
240 mentioned the subject of UFO and you responded and changed the subject to recovery of alien spacecraft and then ridiculed your own words.
You do this alot - instead of responding to the topic you restate the topic and then ridicule your own restatement and then pretend that you've addressed the original topic.
Beach Bum, a lot of NASA and military leaders have admitted UFOs are real.
Gorbachev did. As did many US govt leaders.
Are they all crazy?
Face it, you've been conditioned to use the "tinfoil hat UFO" label on anyone who discusses a theory you don't understand or haven't researched.
and your response - note how you alter the topic and then ridicule it
Anyone who believes that an alien spaceship landed and was secretly captured by the U.S. government and that the U.S. government has been hiding this alien spaceship is nuts.
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The article in typical skeptic's fashion denounced two thirds of America as being complete idiots. Of course it's always easier to grab the high ground by tossing out the tin foil hat to your opponents and you can just about count on the tactic being used every single time.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11242007/news/nationalnews/blame_u_s__for_9_11_idiots_in_majority_318165.htm
This percentage also implies and suggests that Americans don't trust their government and or don't approve of their government.
What would be interesting to see is how the percentage would read if Iraq was a slam dunk.
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Bum - I was talking about the phenomena in general and not the alleged recovery of craft - although there are many stories of such, mostly from the military and also from military in other countries who have knowledge of our operations in this area.
BTW - You're the one who brought up topic of the US governement hiding alien spacecraft.
240 mentioned the subject of UFO and you responded and changed the subject to recovery of alien spacecraft and then ridiculed your own words.
You do this alot - instead of responding to the topic you restate the topic and then ridicule your own restatement and then pretend that you've addressed the original topic.
and your response - note how you alter the topic and then ridicule it
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Go back and read the thread again, including this excerpt from the article:
* 37 percent believe UFOs are real and that the feds have been hiding the truth about them.
The 2006 poll found 36 percent believed the government was also hiding proof that intelligent life exists on other planets.
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::)
Go back and read the thread again, including this excerpt from the article:
* 37 percent believe UFOs are real and that the feds have been hiding the truth about them.
The 2006 poll found 36 percent believed the government was also hiding proof that intelligent life exists on other planets.
yep - I read that part
How is being aware of the reality and hiding it the equivalent to recovery of a craft???
Answer - it's not
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BB now admits that people who believe in UFO's are not nut.
But...
People who think the govt would lie to them ARE nuts.
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BB now admits that people who believe in UFO's are not nut.
where did he admit that?
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where did he admit that?
No I'm not willing to listen. Anyone who wants to talk to me about the government hiding an alien spaceship, being abducted by aliens, being impregnated by aliens, crop circles, or anything of that nature will get the tin foil hat. To me, that stuff doesn't make any dang sense.
Someone seeing "an unidentified flying object" is one thing, but the whole War of the Worlds, Independence Day, Mars Attacks, Transformers stuff is for Hollywood.
In other words, I don't think a person who sees an "unidentified flying object" is nuts. People in paragraph 1 above are another story.
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Let's get back on topic guys.
Was 9/11 an inside job?
I don't know and am a fervent 9/11 agnostic....
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Let's get back on topic guys.
Was 9/11 an inside job?
I don't know and am a fervent 9/11 agnostic....
Not sure anyone here has the energy left to endure another long thread on the topic. We've done it to death ;D
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BB you have been pretty much exposed and raped in this thread
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BB you have been pretty much exposed and raped in this thread
lol. O.K. :) Don't tell me, you've been abducted by an alien?
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The article in typical skeptic's fashion denounced two thirds of America as being complete idiots. Of course it's always easier to grab the high ground by tossing out the tin foil hat to your opponents and you can just about count on the tactic being used every single time.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11242007/news/nationalnews/blame_u_s__for_9_11_idiots_in_majority_318165.htm
ive explained this a thousand times, but nobody gets it.. yes we knew about the whole plot. everyone admits to this. so whats the secret?
we get threats, and expose plots all the time these days. but now we have the manpower, and the resourced to act on it. pre 911 we only had a fucked up cia. no counter terrorism, no homeland security.. now we take each and every threat, and piece of evidence very very seriously. pre 911 they thought of these threats as false flags. "oh the terrorists are plotting again,,blah blah blah, they're just talking shit like usuall" we were wrong.
once those planes hit, i bet the president knew exactly who did it.. even if we knew it was going to happen, there wasnt much we could do anyways. but we made a big mistake, we will never make again.. i got a big sign in my office it has the DHS motto, "never get complacent".. even if we have a stretch of 5,10,15 years with no attack. we can never let our guard down like we did in the days before 911.
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ive explained this a thousand times, but nobody gets it.. yes we knew about the whole plot. everyone admits to this. so whats the secret?
we get threats, and expose plots all the time these days. but now we have the manpower, and the resourced to act on it. pre 911 we only had a fucked up cia. no counter terrorism, no homeland security.. now we take each and every threat, and piece of evidence very very seriously. pre 911 they thought of these threats as false flags. "oh the terrorists are plotting again,,blah blah blah, they're just talking shit like usuall" we were wrong.
once those planes hit, i bet the president knew exactly who did it.. even if we knew it was going to happen, there wasnt much we could do anyways. but we made a big mistake, we will never make again.. i got a big sign in my office it has the DHS motto, "never get complacent".. even if we have a stretch of 5,10,15 years with no attack. we can never let our guard down like we did in the days before 911.
I don't get it, could you expand please :D
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ive explained this a thousand times, but nobody gets it.. yes we knew about the whole plot. everyone admits to this. so whats the secret?
we get threats, and expose plots all the time these days. but now we have the manpower, and the resourced to act on it. pre 911 we only had a fucked up cia. no counter terrorism, no homeland security.. now we take each and every threat, and piece of evidence very very seriously. pre 911 they thought of these threats as false flags. "oh the terrorists are plotting again,,blah blah blah, they're just talking shit like usuall" we were wrong.
once those planes hit, i bet the president knew exactly who did it.. even if we knew it was going to happen, there wasnt much we could do anyways. but we made a big mistake, we will never make again.. i got a big sign in my office it has the DHS motto, "never get complacent".. even if we have a stretch of 5,10,15 years with no attack. we can never let our guard down like we did in the days before 911.
Are you saying the Bush and Co. knew about the plot but were too complacent about the threat (i.e presidentional daily briefing ignored, Cheney terrorism task force never met, etc....)
I haven't heard of anyone saying that the threats were viewed as "false flags" prior to 911 - that doesn't even make sense. A false flag is an attack by the people who are already in power on their own country which is falsey blamed on another group. Are you saying that the various agencies receiving these threat just assumed they were coming from factions within our own goverment?
If we knew it was going to happen then why do you say that there's nothing we could have done about it anyway??
In summary - we knew it was going to happen, we assumed the threats were false flags (i.e from within our own governement), and there was nothing we could have done to prevent it??
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Are you saying the Bush and Co. knew about the plot but were too complacent about the threat (i.e presidentional daily briefing ignored, Cheney terrorism task force never met, etc....)
I haven't heard of anyone saying that the threats were viewed as "false flags" prior to 911 - that doesn't even make sense. A false flag is an attack by the people who are already in power on their own country which is falsey blamed on another group. Are you saying that the various agencies receiving these threat just assumed they were coming from factions within our own goverment?
If we knew it was going to happen then why do you say that there's nothing we could have done about it anyway??
In summary - we knew it was going to happen, we assumed the threats were false flags (i.e from within our own governement), and there was nothing we could have done to prevent it??
Our intelligence agencies get 1000's of bits of information revealing threats every day. The problem is knowing which ones are real and which ones to respond to.
They had prior information in the form of pieces from different agencies and sources.
So when the attacks did happen to an extent, it wasn't a surprise and even now we a cannot defend every possible attack at the same time, that's why we, with what we had then, couldn't do anything about it.
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Our intelligence agencies get 1000's of bits of information revealing threats every day. The problem is knowing which ones are real and which ones to respond to.
29 sources.
And in a span of 24 hours on Aug 5/6, Bush himself was alerted of the 911 attacks by the FBI in a red-eye flight in middle of night, from the Mossad, and from the German ambassador. These are the 3 notices we know of. They all came in one day, including the FBI head pulling an emergency flight from DC to TX to hand deliver the memo. The minutes of the meeting are classified, but Condi admits that she was given "something", but handed it off to Rummy, who denies he ever got it.
Oz, how frequently do you think the FBI flew to his ranch in the middle of th night to hand deliver the details of an upcoming attack, on the same day 2 of our allies, including our closest, warned us?
The details included 5 of the hijackers names, the date 9/10 or 9/11, and that it would be hijackings. As a result of that meeting, the FBI investigation of Atta in hollywood, FL was immediately frozen and remained that way until after the attacks.
Now, you *could* blame 1000s of pieces of info - but when the head of the FBI delivers something in the middle of the night, when ISR and GER leaders/intelligence tell you... at the VERY least, you go pick up the 5 assholes whose names you have, and see what's in their houses, no?
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Our intelligence agencies get 1000's of bits of information revealing threats every day. The problem is knowing which ones are real and which ones to respond to.
They had prior information in the form of pieces from different agencies and sources.
So when the attacks did happen to an extent, it wasn't a surprise and even now we a cannot defend every possible attack at the same time, that's why we, with what we had then, couldn't do anything about it.
but still Bush/Cheney, the FBI, CIA etc.. were all complacent prior to 911?
I'm not so sure the creation of HSA has solved any of the problems mentioned
from what I've read HSA has the lowest morale of any angency in the govt - i.e major staffing problems, no room in the budget, supposed to be cost neutral etc..
I seem to recall the Bush didn't even want HSA (my memory could be wrong about that)