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Make sure to look Benfun's thread on the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007
Ask why we're doing these things and in your address of the issue, make sure to consider these numbers...
Number of “terrorism or terrorism-related”
convictions and guilty pleas (with
an international connection) claimed by
the Justice Department as of June
2006 ........................ ........................ ...... 261
Number of those cases actually involving
attempted terrorist activity ..................... 2
Minimum number of foreign nationals
preventively detained in anti-terrorism
initiatives in the U.S. in the first two years
after 9/11 ........................ ...................... 5,191
Number of those convicted of terrorist
crimes today ........................ ....................... 0
Number of U.S. foreign residents who
complied with domestic registration
program targeting immigrants from Arab
and Muslim countries .................... 83,519
Number of those convicted of terrorist
crimes today ........................ ...................... 0
Number of foreign nationals the Justice
Department claims to have deported
in connection with 9/11
investigations ........................ ............. > 515
Number of those deemed to be connected
to terrorism ........................ ...................... 0
Number of Al Qaeda cells discovered in
the U.S. since 9/11 1 1....................... ............ 0
Number of people detained at Guantanamo
since Jan. 2002 ........................ ................ 775
Number of detainees released ............. 470
Number of detainees tried for any
crimes ........................ ........................ ............ 0 (I thought there was 1?)
Number of people estimated to have been
detained in CIA “black sites” — secret prisons
outside the U.S. ........................ ....> 100
Number of those detained who have been
charged or convicted of any crime .......... 0
Number of terrorist attacks worldwide:
2001 (1,732)
2005 (4,995)
2006 (6,659)
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AAAMMMAAAZZZIIINNNGGG!!!!!!!!! >:(
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i would say yes. but these story's are all made up ::)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0508071ftdix1.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1208061shareef1.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/07/AR2006070700361.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/03/canada.terror/
http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/detail.html?dl=mainclick
http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1120822,00.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1282791,00.html
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Number of Al Qaeda cells discovered in
the U.S. since 9/11 1 1....................... ............ 0
This is a good thing. Perhaps we have been preventing them from forming cells in the U.S. since 911?
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i would say yes. but these story's are all made up ::)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0508071ftdix1.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1208061shareef1.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/07/AR2006070700361.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/03/canada.terror/
http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/detail.html?dl=mainclick
http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1120822,00.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1282791,00.html
Scary.
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Maybe the threat wasn't as bad as we scared ourselves into believing to begin with.
Maybe, the work we did in Afghanistan effectively diminished Al Queda from doing anything outside the middle east.
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Or maybe it was never significantly there to begin with ;)
Pt. 1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177&q
Pt. 2 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876
Pt. 3 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2081592330319789254
(No I don't expect anyone will watch, I just post for the bizzare 1% or less that actually might.)
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Or maybe it was never significantly there to begin with ;)
Pt. 1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=881321004838285177&q
Pt. 2 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876
Pt. 3 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2081592330319789254
(No I don't expect anyone will watch, I just post for the bizzare 1% or less that actually might.)
I remember seeing this awhile ago. If anyone hasn't seen this watch it :D
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Maybe the threat wasn't as bad as we scared ourselves into believing to begin with.
Maybe, the work we did in Afghanistan effectively diminished Al Queda from doing anything outside the middle east.
Yes. Could be either one.
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Maybe the threat wasn't as bad as we scared ourselves into believing to begin with.
Maybe, the work we did in Afghanistan effectively diminished Al Queda from doing anything outside the middle east.
But just this July we were being told this...
"They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."
WASHINGTON – U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned. The conclusion suggests that the group that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.
And lets not forget the depiction of the group we were given right after 9/11... All over the media and from everyone in the admin, this was and international network with cells of boogimen everywhere... laying in wait, in the US and other western nations ready to strike... uh huh... The numbers above don't really show that this threat existed at this level... ever...
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But just this July we were being told this...
"They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."
WASHINGTON – U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned. The conclusion suggests that the group that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.
And lets not forget the depiction of the group we were given right after 9/11... All over the media and from everyone in the admin, this was and international network with cells of boogimen everywhere... laying in wait, in the US and other western nations ready to strike... uh huh... The numbers above don't really show that this threat existed at this level... ever...
Who says there isn't propaganda in the USA? ;D
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This is a good thing. Perhaps we have been preventing them from forming cells in the U.S. since 911?
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Stops to catch breath
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Who says there isn't propaganda in the USA? ;D
ding ding ding... now for what ultimate purpose must be asked...
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http://standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/Terrorist_cells.html
http://www.esuhistoryprof.com/islamic_terrorist_cells.htm
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
But maybe he's right :D It's really conceivable... I mean illegals come across at free will and set up in every state... Clearly we are positioned to catch a well funded group sending members into America... makes total sense to me--not...
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http://standeyo.com/News_Files/NBC/Terrorist_cells.html
http://www.esuhistoryprof.com/islamic_terrorist_cells.htm
BWAAAAHAHA!!! I just spit coffee everywhere! thanks for the comedy map ::) Unfortunately there's nothing in reality to base that map on.
Good to see there's an Al Qaeda regional office in Denver, I can pop in and ask them what the hell they think they're doing :D Listen extremist facist pig, I have some questions for you ;D
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But maybe he's right :D It's really conceivable... I mean illegals come across at free will and set up in every state... Clearly we are positioned to catch a well funded group sending members into America... makes total sense to me--not...
LOL.. ;D....this shit is amost comical...
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The propoganda is very real, and very frightening. A quote I will always remember is "Fascism comes in the form of anti-fascism." This isn't just propoganda spewed from the Neo-Cons and Corporatists. Take a look at particularily the student body of various universities. People will knee-jerkingly react to certain things in often an angry and hostile manner. It's easy to criticize the current administration and corporations. Why? Because there is generally consensual agreement amongst all parties...it's big business. Look at guys like Mike Malloy, Alan Colmes, Stephanie Miller, etc....that's the core of their shows...because only the perceived nuttiest could possibly disagree along those principles. It makes good business sense to openly criticize and attack something where there is general agreement.
Look at Alex Jones for instance. I use his stuff as a resource, but not as a singular primary source. Find anything, anywhere, where he criticizes anything Jewish. There aren't many people out there who would expressively define what makes up a Neo-Con and the background of such people who belong in that group......primarily, Zionist Jews(secular and non-secular alike) and Evangelical Christians. This is a topic that is angrily discouraged from being brought up. While at my university, I brought it up during a free discussion(we were discussing world politics and the like) just to see what the reaction would be. Sure enough, it was angrily refuted and I was denounced as a racist anti-semite. My statements were angrily refuted, but for the most part, there was nothing but gasps and mutters of racism.
However, that is not entirely the point. That was just an example. To find where the propaganda is coming from and what exactly it is affecting, you need to find the newly labeled "hot topics." Topics that most people do not want to calmly and rationally discuss. I don't think what is being discussed here can entirely be called propaganda in its truest form. Too many people know the score and that the administration is full of shit. Like Berzerker said, it's comical. Most folks don't take these Terrorist warnings seriously(though enough to make it work at least well enough).
In all likelyhood, folks don't really give a rats ass about what the administration and the corporations do because there is an SUV to pay off, the line of credit got extended on their credit cards, the malls are open, mortgages have to be paid. Unless you take one or more of these away, the American people won't do anything to force a change.
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Good to see there's an Al Qaeda regional office in Denver, I can pop in and ask them what the hell they think they're doing :D Listen extremist facist pig, I have some questions for you ;D
AHAHAHAHAHAH
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Maybe the threat wasn't as bad as we scared ourselves into believing to begin with.
"we".
Interesting word.
Who do you think did the most to scare Americans over the last 6 years?
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"we".
Interesting word.
Who do you think did the most to scare Americans over the last 6 years?
homeland security
secutiry code orange
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"we".
Interesting word.
Who do you think did the most to scare Americans over the last 6 years?
Who? We did.
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Who? We did.
No. The White House did.
Google video "nexus of politics and terror".
Watch olbermann point out 18 incidents of terror announcements one day after news bad for repub party happened.
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No. The White House did.
Google video "nexus of politics and terror".
Watch olbermann point out 18 incidents of terror announcements one day after news bad for repub party happened.
I don't disagree, but "we" (the American people) were willing participants and the networks help
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I don't disagree, but "we" (the American people) were willing participants and the networks help
Don't count me in on that number, I'm proud to say I never bought into the bullshit... Very early on I started asking WTF. As soon as the president said, "they hate us for our freedoms" I said oh hell, here we go and sure as shit everything stunk right off the bat... The networks and the whitehouse are directly responsible for many who did buy into it so it's not like you can even define them as willing, more like "lied to" It's pretty hard for people to make the right choice when all the input is 98% bullshit.
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Don't count me in on that number, I'm proud to say I never bought into the bullshit... Very early on I started asking WTF. As soon as the president said, "they hate us for our freedoms" I said oh hell, here we go and sure as shit everything stunk right off the bat... The networks and the whitehouse are directly responsible for many who did buy into it so it's not like you can even define them as willing, more like "lied to" It's pretty hard for people to make the right choice when all the input is 98% bullshit.
I was for a while. I certainly didn't buy into any of the hate crap as i know many Arabs on a personal level. I was ok with all the changes we saw at airports and such. But when we started our move towards Iraq i was against it. I saw it as BS, understanding that we had a level of control in the area with Saddam in power and even if he did have WMD's he was far less likely to use them becuase he knew it would a death wish.
Just goes to show how stupid scared people can be as the number 1 argument for invading was the WMD's.
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the politicians like to use us to make them look better.. i forgot what happend but bush was giving some speech about terrorism, then the next day they released facts about dry runs going on at airports.. we didnt want that shit to go public. that was info for law enforcement only, but they used it for their own agenda.
you guys are in a position we like. you arnt afraid. you think there isnt a threat out there. thats how we want it. we dont want you to think your in danger at the airport, because air travel keeps the economy going. we dont want you to be afraid of going to the mall.. but these damn politicians want to use it. they arnt the ones doing the work, they only fuck shit up for us. which is why im getting fed up with this administration. they try to keep reminding you guys, and too much shit that goes down gets to the public. not all but some. its blows our cover, it shows them how we operate.. it makes them look better, but makes our job harder.
go to the superbowl, it will be filled with DHS agents, dressed as regular fans. all over the stadium. the guy checking your ticket isnt some douche off the streets, he looking out for something.. that doesnt go into the news.you wont hear a word about it.. so its not bs propaganda. they'll be there to do a job and make sure those fans are safe, and there isnt someone walking in there with c4 strapped to their chest.
i wish there wasnt a threat. i wouldnt mind going back to being a street cop. but thats not gonna happen, im way to busy..last meeting with Mike McConnell, he explained a terrorist's biggest tool is complacency. meaning the terrorists have no problem waiting 5-10 years between attacks. waiting for us to put our guard down. waiting for us to get comfortable, wanting for us to say its a waste, the threat is gone. -seems to be working.. but not for me
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A threat will be always there.
But are we passed the point of getting manipulated by our government by it?
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Scared people vote republican. They vote repub when they feel they need protection.
People who aren't scared vote Dem. They focus upon economy or health care, issues that are SECOND to avoiding terror attacks.
Remember the repubs running commercials of mushroom clous with osama's face on it, before the 2006 election? That was, plain and simple, fearmongering. They were hoping people would be scared and vote republican. They were reminding people of the threat - terrorizing them.
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The terrorists attacked us, and certain parts of our government responded by revoking some of our rights, and weakening our system of government.
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A threat will be always there.
But are we passed the point of getting manipulated by our government by it?
depends. terrorism means something totally different to the politicians then it does to law enforcement.. 240's right in the fact that the republicans use it to advance their agenda..
ill tell you this much. without DHS, and without the FBI focusing on terrorism.. we will be in serious danger. not crashing a plane into a building danger.but dropping a bomb that kills hundreds of thousands. possibly taking out a whole city -im not fucking around.
whos doing a bigger disservice to us? the republican saying we need to keep counter terrorism going, using scare tactics? or the dems who promise you healthcare, and this and that?
doesnt matter in the end. because whoever's in office will know what goes on. they know they wont be able to get rid of counter terrorism programs.. so there will be no money for the dems to spend. there all full of shit.
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depends. terrorism means something totally different to the politicians then it does to law enforcement.. 240's right in the fact that the republicans use it to advance their agenda..
ill tell you this much. without DHS, and without the FBI focusing on terrorism.. we will be in serious danger. not crashing a plane into a building danger.but dropping a bomb that kills hundreds of thousands. possibly taking out a whole city -im not fucking around.
I whole heartedly agree.
whos doing a bigger disservice to us? the republican saying we need to keep counter terrorism going, using scare tactics? or the dems who promise you healthcare, and this and that?
I think if being prudent we could have had both. I don;t know if we can now.
whos doing a bigger disservice to us? the republican saying we need to keep counter terrorism going, using scare tactics? or the dems who promise you healthcare, and this and that?
What i see happening is our economy taking a huge dump while our taxes get raised regardless of who's in office.
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depends. terrorism means something totally different to the politicians then it does to law enforcement.. 240's right in the fact that the republicans use it to advance their agenda..
ill tell you this much. without DHS, and without the FBI focusing on terrorism.. we will be in serious danger. not crashing a plane into a building danger.but dropping a bomb that kills hundreds of thousands. possibly taking out a whole city -im not fucking around.
whos doing a bigger disservice to us? the republican saying we need to keep counter terrorism going, using scare tactics? or the dems who promise you healthcare, and this and that?
doesnt matter in the end. because whoever's in office will know what goes on. they know they wont be able to get rid of counter terrorism programs.. so there will be no money for the dems to spend. there all full of shit.
yea, what was up with all this law enforcement labeling everything under the sun terrorism... Right after 9/11, even some guy with a joint was supporting terrorism. Very annoying pattern... terror this, terror that etc etc everyone jumped on the terrorist label.
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yea, what was up with all this law enforcement labeling everything under the sun terrorism... Right after 9/11, even some guy with a joint was supporting terrorism. Very annoying pattern... terror this, terror that etc etc everyone jumped on the terrorist label.
law enforcemnt isnt labeling anything that isnt what it is.. politicians do as they please.
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law enforcemnt isnt labeling anything that isnt what it is.. politicians do as they please.
well that's just not true, I've heard them do it. One example off the top of my head was in LA, they were making the case that the gangs were actually terrorists. Why the need to modify them into terrorists? Gang thugs are gang thugs, bad shit... does calling them terrorists make it easier to put them away, or perhaps the idea was to call greater public attention to the gang problem, I don't know all I know is they were calling them terrorists. I didn't see that before 9/11... and I don't know who it was that put it out, but there were all those commercials saying if you light up, you're supporting terroism.
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whos doing a bigger disservice to us? the republican saying we need to keep counter terrorism going, using scare tactics? or the dems who promise you healthcare, and this and that?
Wasn't it the Republicans who cut the counter-terrorism budget upon taking office?
And why does it have to be an either/or situation? You can have counter-terrorism AND healthcare.
well that's just not true, I've heard them do it. One example off the top of my head was in LA, they were making the case that the gangs were actually terrorists. Why the need to modify them into terrorists? Gang thugs are gang thugs, bad shit... does calling them terrorists make it easier to put them away, or perhaps the idea was to call greater public attention to the gang problem, I don't know all I know is they were calling them terrorists. I didn't see that before 9/11... and I don't know who it was that put it out, but there were all those commercials saying if you light up, you're supporting terroism.
Don't forget when they named the librarians and the teachers association terrorist organizations. :D