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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Meso_z on November 29, 2007, 05:17:11 AM
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Theres something going on at MD.... Shawn seems like a true asshole while Lee is trying to get a simple answer from the ifbb, not from messengers.
So, lets see this "battle" from a different aspect.
Lee is still in shape while Shawn is a donnut lover.......who was better during their competitive years????
Post pics!
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Both great.
Ray was the more complete bber, whilst Priest is a freak.
Both have their place in bbing, and are great champs and bizmen.
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Who the hell cares what’s going on at MD? People who do can read their forums. I’ll stick with getbig.
As for the better bodybuilder, I want to give the edge to Shawn... but it’s very close. Lee attained new levels of conditioning in the 2000s. I didn’t think he could do that but he did. If you can look past his attitude and his ink, he’s a pretty awesome bodybuilder. Alas, a bulb often burns its brightest just before it goes out. :-\
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Hmmm, that is a tough question. If we go with symmetry and proportion, I have to give it to Shawn. As for being a genetic freak, definitely goes to Lee. If you go by placings, then it is obviously Shawn. Though, we all know the IFBB, dare say it, corrupted!!!
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honestly, i think shawn is just taking the piss.
priest, imo, perhaps takes himself a little too seriously at times. don't get me wrong, he was a great bber, but the guy has been doing far more talking than walking lately.
all that rebellious stuff was great when he was bringing it, but now it just sounds like noise. he has been given opportunities to get back in but i honestly think he doesn't really want back in. he's just whoring for attention and it's getting...stale. :-\
if he actually did want to be a factor he'd get his ass in the gym and focus on working (and supplementing) harder than ever before instead of arguing with retired bbers on message boards.
thing is, you can see that lee is getting all caught up in this shit (short man's syndrome perhaps?) while shawn is just having fun (and getting paid at the same time).
no one is going to win an argument with ray on a message board. guy's got a much thicker skin than priest and doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve. ray will eventually sap lee of his energy and leave him too empty to even give a fuck about training.
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Theres something going on at MD.... Shawn seems like a true asshole while Lee is trying to get a simple answer from the ifbb, not from messengers.
So, lets see this "battle" from a different aspect.
Lee is still in shape while Shawn is a donnut lover.......who was better during their competitive years????
Post pics!
Lee got a simple answer from the IFBB...it was NO.
If they wanted to give a time frame, they would have...I tried extending help to Lee...he doesn't seem interested in following the proper steps in gaining enrtry back into the IFBB.
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Lee got a simple answer from the IFBB...it was NO.
If they wanted to give a time frame, they would have...I tried extending help to Lee...he doesn't seem interested in following the proper steps in gaining enrtry back into the IFBB.
Give the fans Priest, THEY LOVE PRIEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
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Lee got a simple answer from the IFBB...it was NO.
If they wanted to give a time frame, they would have...I tried extending help to Lee...he doesn't seem interested in following the proper steps in gaining enrtry back into the IFBB.
What are those steps, Bob? What may seem proper to one person may be corruption to another.
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Lee got a simple answer from the IFBB...it was NO.
If they wanted to give a time frame, they would have...I tried extending help to Lee...he doesn't seem interested in following the proper steps in gaining enrtry back into the IFBB.
No bob. You are on the IFBB's Side and NOT lee's side. You dont wanna piss off Manion and go to war for a Athlete, so you drag Lee along.
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Lee got a simple answer from the IFBB...it was NO.
If they wanted to give a time frame, they would have...I tried extending help to Lee...he doesn't seem interested in following the proper steps in gaining enrtry back into the IFBB.
Why was Lee banned from the IFBB? Lack of insulin use or not enough of a gut?
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Why was Lee banned from the IFBB? Lack of insulin use or not enough of a gut?
haha good one
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Why was Lee banned from the IFBB? Lack of insulin use or not enough of a gut?
Yeh and his calves were found to be 100% muscle!!!!
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No bob. You are on the IFBB's Side and NOT lee's side. You dont wanna piss off Manion and go to war for a Athlete, so you drag Lee along.
I did go to Manion, on Lee's behalf....he could care less if I represent Lee.
BTW...Manion put it to a vote of the committee, he didn't make the call himself
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I did go to Manion, on Lee's behalf....he could care less if I represent Lee.
BTW...Manion put it to a vote of the committee, he didn't make the call himself
Its ALL history now and another example of how fucked up the whole pro "Sport" has become - Screw what the athletes and fans want, it's all about power & money.
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I did go to Manion, on Lee's behalf....he could care less if I represent Lee.
BTW...Manion put it to a vote of the committee, he didn't make the call himself
in your honest opinion Chick, if Lee seriously wanted to get back in, do you think he'd be back in?
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Its ALL history now and another example of how fucked up the whole pro "Sport" has become - Screw what the athletes and fans want, it's all about power & money.
Who screwed who, exactly?
If Lee never went to a rival federation, knowing full well what his fate would be...we wouldn't be having this discussion...
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Who screwed who, exactly?
If Lee never went to a rival federation, knowing full well what his fate would be...we wouldn't be having this discussion...
Agreed to a point. A contract is a contract and he signed it - BUT with with all the health risks pro bodybuilders HAVE to take to earn a living, the SHOULD be able to make money whenever and wherever they can.
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Agreed to a point. A contract is a contract and he signed it - BUT with with all the health risks pro bodybuilders HAVE to take to earn a living, the SHOULD be able to make money whenever and wherever they can.
No one HAS to do anything..it's a choice...as is being a professional BB and where you chose to make your living.
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No one HAS to do anything..it's a choice...as is being a professional BB and where you chose to make your living.
Hmmmm, IF they want to earn a decent wedge from competitive pro bodybuilding NOWADAYS they do have to. You know thats true and yes you chose to do otherwise. Good on you. The point is that the IFBB NEED the pro bodybuilders and if they continue to restrict their freedom to earn a living etc etc it may come around to bite them on the behind when the pros FINALLY all club together and make a stand.
Again though - Lee and the other athletes sign the contracts so yes they have to obey its rules.
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Hmmmm, IF they want to earn a decent wedge from competitive pro bodybuilding NOWADAYS they do have to. You know thats true and yes you chose to do otherwise. Good on you. The point is that the IFBB NEED the pro bodybuilders and if they continue to restrict their freedom to earn a living etc etc it may come around to bite them on the behind when the pros FINALLY all club together and make a stand.
Again though - Lee and the other athletes sign the contracts so yes they have to obey its rules.
The IFBB needs the BBers, as the BBers need the IFBB...
The BBers will NEVER stand together... been there, tried that.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out where the money is in this sport...
There's an old saying that applies perfectly in this (Lee's) instance...
"DON'T STEP OVER A DOLLAR TO PICK UP A QUARTER"
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The IFBB needs the BBers, as the BBers need the IFBB...
The BBers will NEVER stand together... been there, tried that.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out where the money is in this sport...
There's an old saying that applies perfectly in this (Lee's) instance...
"DON'T STEP OVER A DOLLAR TO PICK UP A QUARTER"
AGREED 100% - Over & Out.
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Lee got a simple answer from the IFBB...it was NO.
If they wanted to give a time frame, they would have...I tried extending help to Lee...he doesn't seem interested in following the proper steps in gaining enrtry back into the IFBB.
What are the proper steps exactly Bob? care to tell? I think you havent tried to help Lee as you owed to, youre the athletes rep if im not wrong right?
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Not stirring the pot, just curious. There were 13 guys that went over to the WBF in 1990. The majority came back and competed. Prior to that we had names such as Samir Banout, Edwardo Kawak, and Sergio Oliva compete in rival organizations but were also allowed back. What's the difference in Lee's regard?
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To add to Sean's series of questions, why didn't Jeff King get his pro card? ???
Anyway, Lee is pretty unstable so if I ran the IFBB I wouldn't let him back in. He will just jump ship again and talk shit about it, as he has done to virtually all of his sponsors. Very unprofessional.
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What are the proper steps exactly Bob? care to tell? I think you havent tried to help Lee as you owed to, youre the athletes rep if im not wrong right?
YES, BUT CHICK JEALOUS OFF LEE AND WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO SEE THAT LEE CANNOT COME BACK. TRUE STORY. HES JEALOUS OF LEES PHYSIQUE
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Not stirring the pot, just curious. There were 13 guys that went over to the WBF in 1990. The majority came back and competed. Prior to that we had names such as Samir Banout, Edwardo Kawak, and Sergio Oliva compete in rival organizations but were also allowed back. What's the difference in Lee's regard?
Back when the WBF guys were re-admitted (and more so earlier 70's and 80's) the strength of the IFBB was in a different position and they weren't in a position of having the depth of bber's that they currently enjoy, hence the IFBB were happy to have them back to strengthen their line up.
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Back when the WBF guys were re-admitted (and more so earlier 70's and 80's) the strength of the IFBB was in a different position and they weren't in a position of having the depth of bber's that they currently enjoy, hence the IFBB were happy to have them back to strengthen their line up.
I don't believe that to be the case at all (at least not in the case of the WBF guys), as the IFBB was the gold standard at that time. As for the 70's and 80's, perhaps.
My point was that they were all allowed back in. Has Lee done something other than compete in a rival organization, thus not allowing his reinstatement?
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ALSO SILVIO SAMUEL WAS A WABBA COMPETITOR IN EUROPE, HOW THE FUCK DID HE BECOME AN IFBB PRO? I GUESS POLITICS GET THE JOB DONE. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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ALSO SILVIO SAMUEL WAS A WABBA COMPETITOR IN EUROPE, HOW THE FUCK DID HE BECOME AN IFBB PRO? I GUESS POLITICS GET THE JOB DONE. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
How did he qualify?
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ALSO SILVIO SAMUEL WAS A WABBA COMPETITOR IN EUROPE, HOW THE FUCK DID HE BECOME AN IFBB PRO? I GUESS POLITICS GET THE JOB DONE. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
The same way Charles Clairmonte became an IFBB competitor. It was awarded to them by the IFBB. A lot of foreign competitors have become IFBB pros this way.
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CLEARLY, as this discussion has gone on for months if not a year - THE FANS WANT LEE BACK.
The IFBB has the CHOICE to allow the fans to watch Lee compete, nothing is written in stone and they can EASILY let Lee back in as HE HAS SERVED HIS PENALTY / TIME in FULL.
Simple. ;)
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Not stirring the pot, just curious. There were 13 guys that went over to the WBF in 1990. The majority came back and competed. Prior to that we had names such as Samir Banout, Edwardo Kawak, and Sergio Oliva compete in rival organizations but were also allowed back. What's the difference in Lee's regard?
The main difference is that none of them refused an initial offer for reinstatement...all were smart enough to come back when given the chance.
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Lee's story with the IFBB has been rehashed a number of times. What happened, his initial offer for reinstatement which was refused, a number of people went to bat, which was refused and denied. We can go on, but the story is, what was done is done. There are new bodybuilders in town, and unfortunately, Lee wasnt reinstated.
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Wasn't following the story. Wasn't aware that he had refused initially.
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Its Lee's mouth or should i say typing hand that led to all this...The guy bashed anyone and everyone and didn't take any responsibility what so ever...Why would anyone feel sorry for a guy like that..
He always says its been about the fans...However his fan base is mostly made up of people who followed him in the IFBB...They bought the mags, his video's and went to IFBB shows...
The truth is it was never about the fans...He is reaching that age where if you aren't doing anything significant now, statistics show your in trouble...
I predict in the next 6 months he will in fact tattoo the other half of his face and we will probably see him team up with DA/Palumbo in some way
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The BBers will NEVER stand together... been there, tried that.
If so Chick then us the Fans will always be the worse off for it :(. It's so weird, I was in a Union for years with work and it was always one in all in and we all benefited from it. It's sad that the Pros can't come together and realise that without them there is no money to be made at all.....for anyone. I just don't get it ::).
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I recently asked Lee what he thought of Shawn, Bob, Hank and the IFBB as well as all the Internet haters. Lee said nothing and offered some sign language, he then promptly ripped of his top and showed me his new tattoo. These two pics are taken from that conversation.
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;D
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If so Chick then us the Fans will always be the worse off for it :(. It's so weird, I was in a Union for years with work and it was always one in all in and we all benefited from it. It's sad that the Pros can't come together and realise that without them there is no money to be made at all.....for anyone. I just don't get it ::).
No...the fans won't be any worse for wear...the BBers will.
Guys make money...a few, very good money...the rest...not so much.
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There are new bodybuilders in town....
ouch
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The main difference is that none of them refused an initial offer for reinstatement...all were smart enough to come back when given the chance.
Am I wrong?? When the IFBB offered "reinstatement" they knew he was already bound by contract to do stuff elsewhere, therefore would face legal problems with his other contractors if he accepted. He continued to fulfill the year suspension and did so. Then you guys gave him "more suspension time" Where is that in the old IFBB rule books?? Sounds like a lot of people, (yourself included) aren't really representing anyone but those who got "offended" I think George Orwell said it best.."some animals are more equal than others" I mean, there's guys who are doing morally and spiritually offensive things, and this guy tried to make a living somewhere other than the IFBB. Who cares what he says, he's a really entertaining personality in the sport and has a fantastic physique. All of us fans love him. People would buy tickets to see him return. Let the fans have one of their favorites, already! What does the IFBB have to lose?? There's got to me more to this story and I'm betting it is all rumor and politics. I'd love to have an uncensored article in a muscle mag with the REAL story. I know if I had lost my professional position at my office over disagreeing with someone/talking crap, or going to work for another competitor it would be called making a living. What the IFBB is doing seems a but un-American to me. It's pitiful the way it's been handled. Bad management from my view of corporate politics. It could be changed into a very profitable thing for the IFBB, I know the pro shows aren't near as full as NPC shows by what I've heard, maybe this is why..?
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I did go to Manion, on Lee's behalf....he could care less if I represent Lee.
BTW...Manion put it to a vote of the committee, he didn't make the call himself
seriously...who's on this "cammittee"?
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Who screwed who, exactly?
If Lee never went to a rival federation, knowing full well what his fate would be...we wouldn't be having this discussion...
He wasn't fully sure what would happen.... he took a chance.
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Am I wrong?? When the IFBB offered "reinstatement" they knew he was already bound by contract to do stuff elsewhere, therefore would face legal problems with his other contractors if he accepted. He continued to fulfill the year suspension and did so. Then you guys gave him "more suspension time" Where is that in the old IFBB rule books?? Sounds like a lot of people, (yourself included) aren't really representing anyone but those who got "offended" I think George Orwell said it best.."some animals are more equal than others" I mean, there's guys who are doing morally and spiritually offensive things, and this guy tried to make a living somewhere other than the IFBB. Who cares what he says, he's a really entertaining personality in the sport and has a fantastic physique. All of us fans love him. People would buy tickets to see him return. Let the fans have one of their favorites, already! What does the IFBB have to lose?? There's got to me more to this story and I'm betting it is all rumor and politics. I'd love to have an uncensored article in a muscle mag with the REAL story. I know if I had lost my professional position at my office over disagreeing with someone/talking crap, or going to work for another competitor it would be called making a living. What the IFBB is doing seems a but un-American to me. It's pitiful the way it's been handled. Bad management from my view of corporate politics. It could be changed into a very profitable thing for the IFBB, I know the pro shows aren't near as full as NPC shows by what I've heard, maybe this is why..?
Your first sentence sums it up...
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He wasn't fully sure what would happen.... he took a chance.
Well, I guess you could step in front of a train and "take a chance" as well....despite everyone and their mother telling you not to...
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Well, I guess you could step in front of a train and "take a chance" as well....despite everyone and their mother telling you not to...
Horrible example unless you are mentally challenge you know fair well what the outcome of a "train dodging" would be.#
IFBB rules have been bend in the past and for certain people only.
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seriously...who's on this "cammittee"?
bump for an answer.
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Horrible example unless you are mentally challenge you know fair well what the outcome of a "train dodging" would be.#
IFBB rules have been bend in the past and for certain people only.
BINGO!
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BINGO!
Bob we both know that Lee isn't mentaly retarded, the man has made some strange "business" decissions no doubt, but you of all people should know best.... there are times in life you have to take some chances.
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Bob we both know that Lee isn't mentaly retarded, the man has made some strange "business" decissions no doubt, but you of all people should know best.... there are times in life you have to take some chances.
lmao
wouldn't you just love to be represented by someone who thinks you're 'mentally retarded'? ::) never mind that Lee had more ability in his left pea sized testicle than Chick had in his whole physique or that he at least owns his pea sized tetsicles, whereas chick's are owned by the ifbb.
Bob 'The Company man' Chicbordello.
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Bob we both know that Lee isn't mentaly retarded, the man has made some strange "business" decissions no doubt, but you of all people should know best.... there are times in life you have to take some chances.
You're right...CALCULATED, well thought out "chances"....
Hell, go put all the money you have on 16 red on the roulette wheel....take a chance, right?
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Your first sentence sums it up...
No, my first sentence DOESN'T sum it up..
I asked and posed several questions, I am curious and I don't appreciate a snide answer. What is it exactly that KEEPS someone on suspension after suspension has been fulfilled,,,,and what would any IFBB pro do to deserve treatment likethis?? If a corporation wants an employee not to speak their mind and gives them a warning, it isn't a career death decision deserving of a lifetime sentence. I believe the IFBB came him a year suspension. What keeps it ongoing? Lest I become off track, please answer my LONGGG post and even if you've said it a few times, please tell us again, inquiring minds want to know if any top ranking NPC competitor should even aspire to be IFBB. A Query Worth Answering!!
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EVEN IF SHAWN AND LEE FUSED TOGETHER THEY COULDNT TAKE OUT HUGE NASSER.
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No, my first sentence DOESN'T sum it up..
I asked and posed several questions, I am curious and I don't appreciate a snide answer. What is it exactly that KEEPS someone on suspension after suspension has been fulfilled,,,,and what would any IFBB pro do to deserve treatment likethis?? If a corporation wants an employee not to speak their mind and gives them a warning, it isn't a career death decision deserving of a lifetime sentence. I believe the IFBB came him a year suspension. What keeps it ongoing? Lest I become off track, please answer my LONGGG post and even if you've said it a few times, please tell us again, inquiring minds want to know if any top ranking NPC competitor should even aspire to be IFBB. A Query Worth Answering!!
I respectfully disagree..."Am I wrong"? was your first sentence...yes, you are wrong with literally everything you wrote (assumed) after that.
Nothing keeps a athlete suspended after they are out of the IFBB...you can only be suspended as an active pro with status in the federation.
He requested reinstatement, was offered a reduced suspension, and subsequently refused the offer to come back.
He then requested reinstatement after the initial suspension was fulfilled, his request was denied at that time by committee vote.
To answer your last question...Should a top ranked NPC Amateur aspire to be in the IFBB? Well, if they're a TOP RANKED NPC amateur...then obviously they DO aspire to be in the IFBB. For those looking to make money in their chosen sport, make money with guest posing, appearances, seminars, have opportunities and doors opened up to them from supplement companies, gain exposure through the magazines, etc....then there is nowhere better to do it than the IFB....JUST LIKE LEE DID.
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if the ifbb followed its own rules then we wouldn't be having this discussion
Who screwed who, exactly?
If Lee never went to a rival federation, knowing full well what his fate would be...we wouldn't be having this discussion...
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if the ifbb followed its own rules then we wouldn't be having this discussion
They did follow their own rule....competing for a rival federation is punishable by suspension, and possible expellsion.
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No...the fans won't be any worse for wear...the BBers will.
Guys make money...a few, very good money...the rest...not so much.
I can see what you are saying Chick, but I think you missed my point. As a Fan I want to see as many top guys on stage as I can to compare and watch the battles unfold, what if a few years back Ronnie had taken the route that Lee did and not been allowed back in the IFBB for some reason or another. As a fan I don't give a toss about the polotics behind it all, i just want to see the best Bodybuilders in the world on stage at one time......as a fan that is really what we all want :-\.
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They did follow their own rule....competing for a rival federation is punishable by suspension, and possible expellsion.
if the actually ifbb enforced its drug testing policy (parts of the RULES, not code of conduct) then we would have something else to talk about,
namely how much smaller some of the "elite athletes" of the ifbb are without drugs.
the ifbb arbitrarily enforces its rules, plain and simple.
in your own round-about, poiltically correct, ass kissing way, even you have said this.
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Question....
Since Lee isn't an IFBB Pro anymore....
can he still compete in an amateur NPC event?
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if the actually ifbb enforced its drug testing policy (parts of the RULES, not code of conduct) then we would have something else to talk about,
namely how much smaller some of the "elite athletes" of the ifbb are without drugs.
the ifbb arbitrarily enforces its rules, plain and simple.
in your own round-about, poiltically correct, ass kissing way, even you have said this.
We've already been through this. The IFBB has the opportunity to drug test all they wish, as part of the rules. It's not my job to make a stink that they do, as long as it's fair to all...(everyone gets tested, no one gets tested)
No one has filed a complaint that they havent tested...