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I wasn't on this forum much and probably wont be until Monday...one of my friends passed away today from a heart attack, so this evening I was with other mutual friends just talking about him, and the funeral is tomorrow.
Something people here might be interested in - the death was likely from ephedrine. He was only 31, had some extra weight but by no means obese (he was about 20% bodyfat) and did not have high cholesterol levels of a history of heart problems in the family. He was taking ephedrine to lose bodyfat, and then he got some prescription anti-biotics for some type of illness, and he did not know that that specific antibiotic is very dangerous to take with ephedrine. It can cause a random heart attack in any healthy young person. I dont have much background on it, but a lot of our mutual friends are doctors and that seems to be their consensus. The parents did not want an autopsy which would obvioulsy be the only way to exactly confirm the cause.
He was not one of my closest friends but was someone I would hang out with once ever 2-3 months.
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31, damn thats young..RIP
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I wasn't on this forum much and probably wont be until Monday...one of my friends passed away today from a heart attack, so this evening I was with other mutual friends just talking about him, and the funeral is tomorrow.
Something people here might be interested in - the death was likely from ephedrine. He was only 31, had some extra weight but by no means obese (he was about 20% bodyfat) and did not have high cholesterol levels of a history of heart problems in the family. He was taking ephedrine to lose bodyfat, and then he got some prescription anti-biotics for some type of illness, and he did not know that that specific antibiotic is very dangerous to take with ephedrine. It can cause a random heart attack in any healthy young person. I dont have much background on it, but a lot of our mutual friends are doctors and that seems to be their consensus. The parents did not want an autopsy which would obvioulsy be the only way to exactly confirm the cause.
He was not one of my closest friends but was someone I would hang out with once ever 2-3 months.
Sorry to hear that bigbobs.... :(
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wow that sucks. What antibiotic was this?
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Sorry to hear that.
That shows what i always preach on the nutrition board.
NEVER take anything you haven't researched enough.
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Thanks for the condolences.
The main reason I'm sharing this story is because of the ephedrine implication. I dont recall the exact name of the anti-biotic but can find out. Just a reminder to all of us that we should consider what we're taking whenever we get prescription meds because our docs usually dont know of any bodybuilding supplements/drugs that are being taken so they don't know to warn us.
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Sorry to hear that, RIP. :-[
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Thanks for the condolences.
The main reason I'm sharing this story is because of the ephedrine implication. I dont recall the exact name of the anti-biotic but can find out. Just a reminder to all of us that we should consider what we're taking whenever we get prescription meds because our docs usually dont know of any bodybuilding supplements/drugs that are being taken so they don't know to warn us.
True, it's always VERY important to be open with your doc.
They have to keep silent on everything you tell them anyways. I'm awfully sorry to say this, but this death was totally unnecessary. Just a little bit more courage from himself and a little thinking could have saved him.
Sorry.
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I wasn't on this forum much and probably wont be until Monday...one of my friends passed away today from a heart attack, so this evening I was with other mutual friends just talking about him, and the funeral is tomorrow.
Something people here might be interested in - the death was likely from ephedrine. He was only 31, had some extra weight but by no means obese (he was about 20% bodyfat) and did not have high cholesterol levels of a history of heart problems in the family. He was taking ephedrine to lose bodyfat, and then he got some prescription anti-biotics for some type of illness, and he did not know that that specific antibiotic is very dangerous to take with ephedrine. It can cause a random heart attack in any healthy young person. I dont have much background on it, but a lot of our mutual friends are doctors and that seems to be their consensus. The parents did not want an autopsy which would obvioulsy be the only way to exactly confirm the cause.
He was not one of my closest friends but was someone I would hang out with once ever 2-3 months.
he was obviously an idiot, Natural selection at its finest.
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damn...I just took 200 mg of ephedrine. :-\
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he was obviously an idiot, Natural selection at its finest.
lol
ephedrin is a dangerous drug to overdose. drugs that hightens hearth rate is not to mess around with, imo never to be used. but some people are just stupid. he probably didnt do much research before he used this drug...
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damn...I just took 200 mg of ephedrine. :-\
I hope you re on antibiotics currently.
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I hope you re on antibiotics currently.
;D Typical getbig response... lol
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Sorry about your friend, if you can put up any info aboutthe anti-B & Ephedra it would be good.
I want to point something out... Most here on GB are much younger than I. Get used to friends dieing.
It happens for no damn reason, and Ive seen it happen to the very healthy and clean living dudes too.
Enjoy your life and get what you can out of it, certainly don't take foolish risks, but I'm suspect on the
ephedra myself. Everyone wants something to blame in this kind of situation.
Unfortunately death is the price we pay for life is the only answer often.
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lol
ephedrin is a dangerous drug to overdose. drugs that hightens hearth rate is not to mess around with, imo never to be used. but some people are just stupid. he probably didnt do much research before he used this drug...
Guy, this stuff is/ WAS so widly used that if it were truly dangerous there'd be not a truck driver left in the USA.
Quit looking for excuses, hope your happy with your like, because you never know when it will end.
BTY my dad is 68, appears totally healthy, (Still working construction) smokes almost 3 packs of Pall Mall straights ed... ::)
AND knocks down close to a liter of liquor ew..... He's watched LOTS of clean living classmates DIE!
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Let his death help others - what was the antibiotic - please find out if you can!
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Yeah, let's just establish right off which particular antibiotic it is that can cause "a random heart attack in any person taking ephedrine," if you guys are really worried about the information in this thread. ::)
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anti biotics destroy good bacteria...good bacteria is needed to sustain a healthy body and handle anything that the body takes in or acts as a buffer and assimilater
the addition of ephedrine probably had a double effect on him in this case, his stomach was empty from no 'good bacteria' from the antibiotics this is faaaaaar from natural antibiotics do more harm than good, so that ephedrine hit your friend while he was in a mutated state
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lol
ephedrin is a dangerous drug to overdose. drugs that hightens hearth rate is not to mess around with, imo never to be used. but some people are just stupid. he probably didnt do much research before he used this drug...
he probably was a member of the TEAM NASSER, lol
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I'd say we might actually be more justified in deeming this a "antibiotic death" than an "ephedrine death."
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as i said million times in the past on this particular place getbig,,the only time we professionals DO NOT USE hormones and related products is when we are on ANTI BIOTICS due to infection abcesses ilnesses
what killed your friend was not ephedrine but anti biotics,,he mostlikley took ephedrine in the 100s of milligrams and didnt keep it low but what kiiled him via heart attack was the addition of anti biotics,
when youre sick and hurt,,no hormones should ever be taken,,when have abcess YOU GO OFF STEROIDS!
how many times do i have to say it to bunch of morons who never learn ,,no wonder you never grow
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yes it sounds like the danger was he mixed the two
most people don't tell their doctor what they REALLY take
It's too bad
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Yeah, let's just establish right off which particular antibiotic it is that can cause "a random heart attack in any person taking ephedrine," if you guys are really worried about the information in this thread. ::)
thanks god i'm not the only one sensing a huge bullshit /drama /unrealistic crapy topic here...
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anti biotics destroy good bacteria...good bacteria is needed to sustain a healthy body and handle anything that the body takes in or acts as a buffer and assimilater
the addition of ephedrine probably had a double effect on him in this case, his stomach was empty from no 'good bacteria' from the antibiotics this is faaaaaar from natural antibiotics do more harm than good, so that ephedrine hit your friend while he was in a mutated state
hahaha your theories are always so fucking funny, and the way you pretend having a clue about what you're talking about is even more comical.
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thanks god i'm not the only one sensing a huge bullshit /drama /unrealistic crapy topic here...
Yes, and I love the way he has allowed for 2-3 days of wild speculation to play out before he gets back to clarify anything. Also, he gave absolutely no indication as to whether his friend was taking 1-3 tabs of ephedrine a day or 10-20, and he probably had some idea as to what range his friend would have fallen into; if a guy's doing 200 mg's a day you're gonna hear about it and you'd think he'd have found it relevant to mention. The way I see it, if you're doing 50mg's of ephedrine a day for 5 years to assist your training and dieting, getting enough satisfaction from it to continue doing it that long, and then add an antibiotic to the mix and die, it wasn't the ephedrine that killed you, it was the fucking antibiotic! ;D
You'd think a member of TEAM NASSER would like to see ephedrine avoid villification. ;)
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BOTTOM LINE,,,DON'T LISTEN TO NASSER.
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BOTTOM LINE,,,DON'T LISTEN TO NASSER.
Yes, whether gh15 is Nasser or not, I doubt Nasser is any stranger to the use of ephedrine, and this is the message that Bigbobs is sending to the board. We see undeniable similarities between Bigbobs and Nasser, but before he can lessen the gap of difference between his physique and Nasser's, he'll probably need to try a little (or alot) of ephedrine at one point or another. ;D
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hahaha your theories are always so fucking funny, and the way you pretend having a clue about what you're talking about is even more comical.
no theories just facts that i haveno time to research for you for proofs ,,only thing i can do is give the information out from bodybuilders heavily dosed that died comparing to the ones who didnt and the diff is:
antibiotics high dosed
narcotics
painkillers
mix them with hormones and related products and or drinking,,and you will meet your maker pretty soon there after
all bodybuilding powerlifting and strength athletes died from those combos,,
you wanna do narcotics? you wanna do painkillers and im not talking about 1/2 tablet percoset im talking the addiction thats going on in america,,if yu owanna do antibiotics for fun or if youre actually sick,,,then LAY OFF THE STEROIDS
aas and hormones in general are one the SAFEST things you will find out there ,,more safe than tylanol,,in many countrys those products are legal and not under control and youd be surprized but there is BIG PUSH COMING IN USA TO MAKE THEM NOT CONTROLLED AGAIN,,pay attention how much money mr ron paul raised in a matter of 1 single day ,,if im not mistaken it was close to 4-5 million dollars,,people in the bush goverment do not touch personal users of hormones partially because they know the end result will end of republican white house inaddition to no interest in them to begin with,,so now every one take step back and be safe with your health also,,you got to be safe yourself and not do dumb things when only thing you want to do is enhance your looks
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Members of TEAM NASSER have the constitution of a horse and therefore can tolerate any mixture of medications.
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Members of TEAM NASSER have the constitution of a horse and therefore can tolerate any mixture of medications.
Eh if this were indeed the case they wouldn't even need antibiotics. Everything else though, yeah. I mean if you've gotta use antibiotics just come off for the couple of weeks or month that you'll need them and then you can fire everything else up; surely this isn't too much to ask. You won't lose much and will grow past your previous plateau after going back on...
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he died for you bitches!
rip
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he died for you bitches!
rip
this post right here pretty much says all,,,good opint qiuns
;D
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I have taken hundreds of mg of ephedrine per day off and on(mostly on ) for years with and without anti biotics and no problems. Not saying that was good idea just saying I have taken waaaay more ephedrine than you guys think is safe with no side effects other than the expected.(sometimes BP gets high..usually stays on the high side of normal)I have blood work done every year for my insurance at woirk and I have no liver or kidney issues. I am not saying that is not stupid...just saying that many of you think you will fall over dead if you take more than a couple hunderd mg of ephedrine. Not true.
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Yes, and I love the way he has allowed for 2-3 days of wild speculation to play out before he gets back to clarify anything. Also, he gave absolutely no indication as to whether his friend was taking 1-3 tabs of ephedrine a day or 10-20, and he probably had some idea as to what range his friend would have fallen into; if a guy's doing 200 mg's a day you're gonna hear about it and you'd think he'd have found it relevant to mention. The way I see it, if you're doing 50mg's of ephedrine a day for 5 years to assist your training and dieting, getting enough satisfaction from it to continue doing it that long, and then add an antibiotic to the mix and die, it wasn't the ephedrine that killed you, it was the fucking antibiotic! ;D
You'd think a member of TEAM NASSER would like to see ephedrine avoid villification. ;)
Chill dude. I posted this topic last night at about 4 am, went to bed right away, just got up and am getting ready for the funeral. Was I supposed to find out the name of the anti-biotic while I was asleep? I'll find out sometime today and post it here. Not everyone can be on getbig 24/7 McFarland.
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As for the dosage questions I can't say for sure exactly but from what he told me he would take 3 8mg pills in a dose (24 mg), 2 to 3 times a day, so 48 to 72 mg a day.
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Chill dude. I posted this topic last night at about 4 am, went to bed right away, just got up and am getting ready for the funeral. Was I supposed to find out the name of the anti-biotic while I was asleep? I'll find out sometime today and post it here. Not everyone can be on getbig 24/7 McFarland.
Hey, that's no way to talk to a teammate.
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As for the dosage questions I can't say for sure exactly but from what he told me he would take 3 8mg pills in a dose (24 mg), 2 to 3 times a day, so 48 to 72 mg a day.
that's nothing.
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So what BigBobs is basically saying, is that Team Nasser doesnt have the heart to stick around.
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So what BigBobs is basically saying, is that Team Nasser doesnt have the heart to stick around.
:-X
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Antibiotics killed your friend, not ephedrine
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hahaha your theories are always so fucking funny, and the way you pretend having a clue about what you're talking about is even more comical.
Actually, Daddywaddy is correct. Why do you think some surgeons will not operate on a patient if they have been on Antibiotics? The answer is because the antibiotics kill gut flora that produce vitamin K, a necessary co-factor in blood clotting ;)
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Ephedrine should be cycled.
I've had hypertension after taking like 600 mg caffine and 75mg ephedrine. I stopped with no problems and used the stuff like two weeks later.
Ephedrine alone has never given me troubles. But stacking it with huge amounts of caffine got me wired like a crack fiend and mimicked the effects of cocaine and ecstasy to a degree. It became more about getting wired than about getting lean.
I still think ephedrine and caffine are great. Keeps you alert, vascular, but wears off after a week or two. And of course you tend to eat less when taking ephedrine.
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as i said million times in the past on this particular place getbig,,the only time we professionals DO NOT USE hormones and related products is when we are on ANTI BIOTICS due to infection abcesses ilnesses
what killed your friend was not ephedrine but anti biotics,,he mostlikley took ephedrine in the 100s of milligrams and didnt keep it low but what kiiled him via heart attack was the addition of anti biotics,
when youre sick and hurt,,no hormones should ever be taken,,when have abcess YOU GO OFF STEROIDS!
how many times do i have to say it to bunch of morons who never learn ,,no wonder you never grow
First off What caused his death is total speculation.
Next, as far as "Getting OFF" steroids before using ANti-B's.... What ya gonna do, wait 2-4 weeks for longacting
testosterone to clear before taking antibiotics for a infection? Infection comes by surprise and suddenly
(Like a abscess... ::)) We dont schedule infections conveniently for coming off long acting hormone.
I dont buy this at all. Ya may cut back the steroid dose.. (Suddenly stop large dose of AAS cause more problems than anything else you can do with them IME) but TE, Deca and Sustanon in particular dont just go away in a day or two.
Americans want NEED someting to blame everything on. Hey, he died. Sorry but it happens.
We all see more as we age (unless you die first).
Chances are he'd of died anyway. I bet they wont find a lawyer in the country that would take this as a case unless he's paid out of pocket.
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I've never taken ephedrine, but I had to take an antibiotic called Levaquin for a prostate infection I had about a year ago. It made my heart race. I quit taking it before the prescribed 14 days were up because it made me feel so unhealthy.
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I've never taken ephedrine, but I had to take an antibiotic called Levaquin for a prostate infection I had about a year ago. It made my heart race. I quit taking it before the prescribed 14 days were up because it made me feel so unhealthy.
I had that for my appendectomy over a year ago. It gave me a nasty rash within a few minutes so i got off it
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I don't understand the whole antibiotic/heart link. Do the antibiotics affect electrolyte levels somehow? Something that could offset the balance needed for neural transmission?
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He was taking ephedrine to lose bodyfat, and then he got some prescription anti-biotics for some type of illness, and he did not know that that specific antibiotic is very dangerous to take with ephedrine.
Sorry to hear the news, however....
That's not due to ephedrine...that's due to idiocy. If he had a cold and was taking anti-biotics, he should have either asked his doctor about interactions between the drugs, and/or stopped taking one (obviously the ephedrine since that wouldn't help his sickness anyway).
I just calls 'em how I sees 'em....
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Guys, sorry I actually misunderstood a bit yesterday when I posted about ephedrine being extremely dangerous with certain anti-biotics. It based on what I understood when I overheard a few doctor friends talking about it yesterday. I talked to them directly today at the funeral and from what they told me they understood he was taking antibiotics however they dont know exactly which type unless they saw the prescription, and that ephedrine doesn't necessarily become more dangerous when taken with anti-biotics. They were just talking about what types of medication he was on and I guess I misunderstood.
The only way to confirm beyond any doubt that ephedrine was the cause would have been to do an autopsy, but that did not happen, so it can only be speculated. However, the fact that he was young, healthy, did not have history of heart problems in his family leads docs to believe that ephedrine could or may likely have played a role. It's a known fact that in very rare circumstances normal dosages of ephedrine does cause sudden heart attacks, it's just extremely rare. I recall reading about a few similar isolated cases over the years.
Regardless, I'm tossing out my bottle of ephedrine which I'd occasionally use.
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Well, at least he wasn't in a catabolic stage when he went.
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Guys, sorry I actually misunderstood a bit yesterday when I posted about ephedrine being extremely dangerous with certain anti-biotics. It based on what I understood when I overheard a few doctor friends talking about it yesterday. I talked to them directly today at the funeral and from what they told me they understood he was taking antibiotics however they dont know exactly which type unless they saw the prescription, and that ephedrine doesn't necessarily become more dangerous when taken with anti-biotics. They were just talking about what types of medication he was on and I guess I misunderstood.
The only way to confirm beyond any doubt that ephedrine was the cause would have been to do an autopsy, but that did not happen, so it can only be speculated. However, the fact that he was young, healthy, did not have history of heart problems in his family leads docs to believe that ephedrine could or may likely have played a role. It's a known fact that in very rare circumstances normal dosages of ephedrine does cause sudden heart attacks, it's just extremely rare. I recall reading about a few similar isolated cases over the years.
Regardless, I'm tossing out my bottle of ephedrine which I'd occasionally use.
Fuck it, you can always buy more of Nasser's used T-shirts to make up for it.
TEAM NASSER
(Bro if you think Nasser ever threw away SHIT, then you're off your rocker.)
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Guys, sorry I actually misunderstood a bit yesterday when I posted about ephedrine being extremely dangerous with certain anti-biotics. It based on what I understood when I overheard a few doctor friends talking about it yesterday. I talked to them directly today at the funeral and from what they told me they understood he was taking antibiotics however they dont know exactly which type unless they saw the prescription, and that ephedrine doesn't necessarily become more dangerous when taken with anti-biotics. They were just talking about what types of medication he was on and I guess I misunderstood.
The only way to confirm beyond any doubt that ephedrine was the cause would have been to do an autopsy, but that did not happen, so it can only be speculated. However, the fact that he was young, healthy, did not have history of heart problems in his family leads docs to believe that ephedrine could or may likely have played a role. It's a known fact that in very rare circumstances normal dosages of ephedrine does cause sudden heart attacks, it's just extremely rare. I recall reading about a few similar isolated cases over the years.
Regardless, I'm tossing out my bottle of ephedrine which I'd occasionally use.
I am sorry for your loss but I, and many friends of mine, have taken HUGE doses of ephedrine for years ( gradual build up of tolerance) with no troubles...not saying that is safe but the doses your friend was taking were nothing..really. Of coarse everyone is different but his dose was very very low.
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I am sorry for your loss but I, and many friends of mine, have taken HUGE doses of ephedrine for years ( gradual build up of tolerance) with no troubles...not saying that is safe but the doses your friend was taking were nothing..really. Of coarse everyone is different but his dose was very very low.
I know. The documented fatal incidents of ephedrine under normal dosages are EXTREMELY rare if you consider the number of users in the world to the number that have a death related to it. But once in a while it does happen. I have another friend who takes a few hundred mg's a day and never had any problems related to it.
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I know. The documented fatal incidents of ephedrine under normal dosages are EXTREMELY rare if you consider the number of users in the world to the number that have a death related to it. But once in a while it does happen. I have another friend who takes a few hundred mg's a day and never had any problems related to it.
You mean Nasser? ;D