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Getbig Female Info Boards => Figure, Bikini and Fitness Info and Discussions => Topic started by: Lift Studios on December 03, 2007, 01:52:17 PM
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I posted this on HARDBODY (http://www.hardbody.com/news/2007/12/03/are-figurefitness-competitors-role-models/).com What are your thoughts?
Dictionary.com defines role model as:
- a person whose behavior, example, or success is or can be emulated by others, esp. by younger people.
I'm curious what the reader's of HARDBODY feel about this topic. Are Figure/Fitness competitors expected to be role models? I've talked with several people in the industry about their take on this and the opinions vary. When a woman is published in a magazine does that elevate her responsibilities to that of a role model? Are competitors what you want your daughters, sisters or mothers to emulate? Some feel that figure competitors should not pose for certain types of photos as that taints their image. Some feel posing for websites who have web cam shows or women flexing is in poor taste and a good role model wouldn't do that.
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There are some girls who pose nude for some web sites. I even know some of these girls and it hurts my heart that they would lower their standers to do this. I feel this hurts the reputation of fitness & figure. People could get the wrong idea?!?! I wish the girls would keep their clothes on! :'(
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Well, being a Male Pig. I actually don't mind seeing any woman Nude. Especially if she has a great body and is attractive. However, I would prefer to see a playboy, artistic type of Nude shot. I really would have to agree that actual Pornographic pixes would hurt the industries image. However, That is very subjective. I have seen women with all their clothes on take Photos that are in bad taste. It really isn't that cut and dry.
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Yes, like anyone in the public eye, they are role models.
Whether they choose to be responsible role models and represent their field in a professional manner, is entirely up to them.
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When more fitness/figure competitors (as well as any other pro athletes) stop using drugs and actually achieve their goals through hard work alone, then maybe we can call them role models. Right now, to even think about calling the majority of pros role models is laughable. Of course the ones who are natural could be role models, but I believe this also entails leading a healthful lifestyle (physically and psychologically) in and out of season. Imo, I have met a just few that could (but only a few).
-Katie S.
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I think Katie makes a very good point.... Drug use is quite prevalent, and many of the people in the industry do not live healthy lifestyles.
From the definition, a role model is someone we choose to emulate.. we all have different values, so our choices will be different. Some may have issue with the nude modeling while others do not.. Gosh.. just this last week I received a letter from a lady berating me for suggestive shots.. Two days after that I got another letter from someone telling me that they wanted me as a role model for their young daughter. Both are valid points of view... At no time did I ever imagine myself to be a role model to anyone, but I suppose that exposure puts you out there in the public eye.
I would agree with FitGourmet that it would be nice to move away from the porn (my definition of porn is not nude but penetration/sex/masturbation.. I am sure others have a stricter definition..) Again, it is all in the eye of the beholder.
This is not to say that some of the ladies do not have outstanding attributes... some examples...
Jen Hendershott who has built a very successful business
Dr Greenwood who is an academic and manages to compete at an elite level
and countless mothers who manage to take of kids and compete.... Michelle Flake being one...
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Oh Yes, Here we are again. I would love to see a world without Viagra, Alive, Pregnasome, Muscle Relaxers. Pain Killers. The list goes on. Did I forget Anabolic steroids. How about Caffeine, Ephedrine, Aspirin, Starbucks. All are some form of drugs that Athletes and regular people use for a variety of different reasons.
I am more interested in the abuse of these drugs. I don't give a rats ass if my local or pro Figure athlete, Football Player, hockey player, or WWE Fighter uses something to recover faster (Alive). Build Muscle (Steroids, Whey Protein, or Gaspari nutrition Products-Pro Hormones. As long as he or she does it in private. Alcohol is a drug by the way, I hang out with a lot of athletes that do drink in public.
Ever watch a Beer Commercial. Alcohol related deaths kill more innocent people than Anything else. I have family members who a retired Pro Athletes. 2-Are in the Hall of Fame. Did you guys know they where given Anabolic Steroids in the late 50's, all of the 60's, 70's, & 80's-Thru the Present. Please Grow up People. Steroids, Fat Burners (Clenbuterol) & Other drugs are only going to become more Mainstream, Not less. NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP TAKING THEM!!!! No matter what we all do or say. Because they work!!! Why don't some of you Figure and Fitness Women Pull Out Your Boob JOBS!!! Fake Tits are not Exactly Healthy, Natural, Or sending the right Message to our Young People!!!!!!
When more fitness/figure competitors (as well as any other pro athletes) stop using drugs and actually achieve their goals through hard work alone, then maybe we can call them role models. Right now, to even think about calling the majority of pros role models is laughable. Of course the ones who are natural could be role models, but I believe this also entails leading a healthful lifestyle (physically and psychologically) in and out of season. Imo, I have met a just few that could (but only a few).
-Katie S.
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Well I just think people are people....and there are some in this industry that are good examples and some that are diffently not. There is a good and bad side to this industry. These competitors are being literally judged by what they look like everyday. It's hard to want to promote that lifestyle to people. Its just how you look at it. B/c through this type of competition, and extreme discipline must be possessed, and that's what makes it special.
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When more fitness/figure competitors (as well as any other pro athletes) stop using drugs and actually achieve their goals through hard work alone, then maybe we can call them role models. Right now, to even think about calling the majority of pros role models is laughable. Of course the ones who are natural could be role models, but I believe this also entails leading a healthful lifestyle (physically and psychologically) in and out of season. Imo, I have met a just few that could (but only a few).
-Katie S.
Katie, you're a pro are you a role model?
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Am I a role model? Well, no matter how I answer, I will end up sounding self-righteous, but oh well....
All I can say is that I have never made a decision in my fitness career that I would not be proud to tell my daughter in the future. I have never taken a drug or posed for pics in a way that I find inappropriate. I have never kissed ass to get ahead. And yes, these decisions are most likely part of the reason that I haven't had the "success" of other competitors. But again, in the end, I can rest easy knowing that even the small success that I have had, I acheived naturally and morally. So yes, I think I can be a role-model to those who share my beliefs.
Btw...fit gourmet, legal "drugs" as you call them such as caffeine or whey protein are certainly not what I am referring to. You obviously think all enhancers are ok and good for you. I do not.
-K
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Role models?
I dunno.
I think more fitness and figure competitors should look into the adult movie industry, do hardcore movies, like Grant Michaels, Kim Chambers, Rhonda Lee Quaresma and a few others succesfully have done.
At least those who are Cali based, living close to San Fernando where a lot of the major Adult Movie companies are located.
My point is, these competitors have an obligation towards themselves to make some dollars.
And if they do that in a legal way, that's something you gotta respect.
I much rather see fitness competitors do hardcore adult movies than engage in private sessions, and other activities that would be considered prostitution.
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Oh Yes, Here we are again. I would love to see a world without Viagra, Alive, Pregnasome, Muscle Relaxers. Pain Killers. The list goes on. Did I forget Anabolic steroids. How about Caffeine, Ephedrine, Aspirin, Starbucks. All are some form of drugs that Athletes and regular people use for a variety of different reasons. I am more interested in the abuse of these drugs. I don't give a rats ass if my local or pro Figure athlete, Football Player, hockey player, or WWE Fighter uses something to recover faster (Alive). Build Muscle (Steroids, Whey Protein, or Gaspari nutrition Products-Pro Hormones. As long as he or she does it in private. Alcohol is a drug by the way, I hang out with a lot of athletes that do drink in public. Ever watch a Beer Commercial. Alcohol related deaths kill more innocent people than Anything else. I have family members who a retired Pro Athletes. 2-Are in the Hall of Fame. Did you guys know they where given Anabolic Steroids in the late 50's, all of the 60's, 70's, & 80's-Thru the Present. Please Grow up People. Steroids, Fat Burners (Clenbuterol) & Other drugs are only going to become more Mainstream, Not less. NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP TAKING THEM!!!! No matter what we all do or say. Because they work!!! Why don't some of you Figure and Fitness Women Pull Out Your Boob JOBS!!! Fake Tits are not Exactly Healthy, Natural, Or sending the right Message to our Young People!!!!!!
Please tell me you are not comparing legal and illegal substances. Are you putting Steroids and Whey Protein in the same category????
A role model for my kids is someone who would not get thrown in jail for what they are putting in there body or someone who does not have to go to a dealer for what they are consuming. Have we all partied here or there... sure. Maybe even hugged the bowl on more then one occasion. ;) Not the same as basing your career as a competitor on enhancers or abusing recreational drugs/alcohol.
And you are right...NO ONE WILL STOP TAKING THEM....but I do not think that was the question. The question was.... SHOULD they be expected to be role models. They should be BUT many are not and the main reason they are not is because of their drug use (both recreational and not) and the way they live there lives.
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I don't think any human being should be considered a role model in their entirety. That seems both naive and unfair IMO. Specific desirable aspects of someone could be considered behavior to model oneself after, but no one is perfect!
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Valerie Waugaman, Elaine Goodlad, Jamie Reed...just three people I consider to be role models.
There are several in the industry, just as there are several who are not.
It's sorta like anyplace else you go in the world. The fitness industry is no different, but it's not accurate to say that every (or even most) fitness/figure competitor is or is not a 'role model'.
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Role models?
I dunno.
I think more fitness and figure competitors should look into the adult movie industry, do hardcore movies, like Grant Michaels, Kim Chambers, Rhonda Lee Quaresma and a few others succesfully have done.
At least those who are Cali based, living close to San Fernando where a lot of the major Adult Movie companies are located.
My point is, these competitors have an obligation towards themselves to make some dollars.
And if they do that in a legal way, that's something you gotta respect.
I much rather see fitness competitors do hardcore adult movies than engage in private sessions, and other activities that would be considered prostitution.
Is your issue with prostitution being illegal or just that it is prostution..?
In some spots prostitution is legal... :P I think they make more money doing that. If I am not mistaken a few of the adult stars tour the ranches in Nevada.
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I don't think any human being should be considered a role model in their entirety. That seems both naive and unfair IMO. Specific desirable aspects of someone could be considered behavior to model oneself after, but no one is perfect!
Absolutely, it is behaviors that are being modeled not the individual, your points are awesome and also if we compartmentalize someone as a "role model" in their entirety that is to say that they are somehow elevated, when in fact everyone is all equal, there really is no such thing as self esteem it is all in our imagination. We are all equal, knowing the things we want to "work on" we choose role models, people who exemplify characteristics that we want to incorporate in our day to day living, that is what modeling is all about, watching behavior and then saying to ourselves, "hey I want to act more like that". But we do not look at the individual in their entirety only the specific behavior we want to model.
One of my role models in Jenny Lynn, I love that she is a hard worker and seems to easily detach from the grueling efforts of two hours of cardio a day, I want more of that. But a role model is chosen by the person who wants to change their behavior or have more of that specific behavior, not the person who is the role model. I did not call Jenny Lynn on the phone and say, hey you are my role model, if I did she would maybe say, super.. fantatic, whatever.
But she will just go on being her, because I chose to model something, she did not choose to be my role model. So this person is not obligated in anyway to "change" their behavior to "act" more like a role model, in asking someone to do that is asking them to not be authentic anymore and therefore not real. That I do not believe anyone wants to model.
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If you need a "role model" then your weak minded. Be our own person. You can learn from others, but you need to have your own goals and drive for life.
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Is your issue with prostitution being illegal or just that it is prostution..?
In some spots prostitution is legal... :P I think they make more money doing that. If I am not mistaken a few of the adult stars tour the ranches in Nevada.
You are correct in that a lot of the adult stars work as pros as well.
My stance against prostitution is purely ideological. I believe it to be a part of the patriarchal society that prevents equality between genders.
FWIW, I would like to see a change of the prostitution law, so that it was legal to sell sex, but illegal to buy it.
That way, the focus would be changed.
Sorry for the off-topic rant. ;D
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If you need a "role model" then your weak minded. Be our own person. You can learn from others, but you need to have your own goals and drive for life.
I'd disagree on the weak-minded part. We were all kids once and venture to guess had someone we considered a "role-model". As adults we inherently take on roles we may or may not have signed up for but find ourselves in. IE that of a mentor, teacher and perhaps at times a "role model".
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Absolutely, it is behaviors that are being modeled not the individual, your points are awesome and also if we compartmentalize someone as a "role model" in their entirety that is to say that they are somehow elevated, when in fact everyone is all equal, there really is no such thing as self esteem it is all in our imagination. We are all equal, knowing the things we want to "work on" we choose role models, people who exemplify characteristics that we want to incorporate in our day to day living, that is what modeling is all about, watching behavior and then saying to ourselves, "hey I want to act more like that". But we do not look at the individual in their entirety only the specific behavior we want to model.
One of my role models in Jenny Lynn, I love that she is a hard worker and seems to easily detach from the grueling efforts of two hours of cardio a day, I want more of that. But a role model is chosen by the person who wants to change their behavior or have more of that specific behavior, not the person who is the role model. I did not call Jenny Lynn on the phone and say, hey you are my role model, if I did she would maybe say, super.. fantatic, whatever.
But she will just go on being her, because I chose to model something, she did not choose to be my role model. So this person is not obligated in anyway to "change" their behavior to "act" more like a role model, in asking someone to do that is asking them to not be authentic anymore and therefore not real. That I do not believe anyone wants to model.
Uh, Nancy, just so we're clear - you ARE a role model. ;)
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If you need a "role model" then your weak minded. Be our own person. You can learn from others, but you need to have your own goals and drive for life.
Role models are the people who teach us that.
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My stance against prostitution is purely ideological. I believe it to be a part of the patriarchal society that prevents equality between genders.
FWIW, I would like to see a change of the prostitution law, so that it was legal to sell sex, but illegal to buy it.
That way, the focus would be changed.
I don't understand why it should be illegal to buy sex.
It's just sex.
Role models have sex.
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I don't understand why it should be illegal to buy sex.
It's just sex.
Role models have sex.
In order to prevent prostitution.
Prostitution is one of many phenomenons that retains the current patriarchal structure, which prevents economical and social equality for women.
The very social function of men paying women for sex, prevents our society from giving women a level playing field.
Constantly objectifying, giving women a different arena to play on.
Which is, from a macro economical perspective, idiotic, since every society needs to recruit its sharpest minds, regardless of gender, to the toughest jobs.
And prostitution is part of all this.
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I don't think any human being should be considered a role model in their entirety. That seems both naive and unfair IMO. Specific desirable aspects of someone could be considered behavior to model oneself after, but no one is perfect!
Now THIS I fully agree with. There has never been one single person on this earth who embodies 'all' the characteristics of what I would consider a role model. I feel a role model should be a fantasy entity that does embody the qualites the person who has created it, would want to live up to. This role model should be a person's ideal "her" or "him" in his/own opinion.
The closest thing to a role model that represents the majority of characteristics and achivements I find most admirable is Oprah. But she isn't exactly an inspiration in fitness.
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Loaded topic. Are pro basketball players role models? Sure some are, some shouldn't be. No different than here. There are some people in this sport that have done anything/everything to get to where they are at. Some just busted ass and did it on their own. There are some girls in this industry that have literally sold their soul in my opinion, all to get 15 minutes of fame.
The best case is a well known person who claimed to have cancer, have their breast removed and justified her implants by that. I know this not to be true. I also know that none of their pictures seem to show the massive scaring that would have occured from the initial breast removal. Amazing what some will do for a cover. I believe in karma, so we'll see.
I would like to point out something about Katie. I saw her turn pro in NY. I had followed the fitness scene for about 2 years. I had never seen her before. She came out during the routine and blew me away. She reminded me of Hendershot with her endless energy throughout the routine. All the NPC shows I had been to, nobody had ever stood out that much. It was obvious to me she was natural. Standing next to those on, you could just tell. Her routine was so amazing there was no way she wouldn't turn pro. Good job
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The best case is a well known person who claimed to have cancer, have their breast removed and justified her implants by that. I know this not to be true. I also know that none of their pictures seem to show the massive scaring that would have occured from the initial breast removal. Amazing what some will do for a cover. I believe in karma, so we'll see.
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I know there are some who have been less-than-honest about their ages, but lying about having had cancer? Are you serious??
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In order to prevent prostitution.
Prostitution is one of many phenomenons that retains the current patriarchal structure, which prevents economical and social equality for women.
The very social function of men paying women for sex, prevents our society from giving women a level playing field.
Constantly objectifying, giving women a different arena to play on.
Which is, from a macro economical perspective, idiotic, since every society needs to recruit its sharpest minds, regardless of gender, to the toughest jobs.
And prostitution is part of all this.
I am neither for, or against ( ok, maybe I am for it ) prostitution. But a study from Yale University has found that area's where prostitution is legal around the world, the violent crime and rape % is just about 90 % lower then area's where it is illegal. I am trying to find a copy of this study. It's a very interesting read.
It also showed that it was a safer profession compared to occupations considered dangerous. Even cab drivers and limo drivers were considered more dangerous because of potential car accidents.
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The only person I have heard had breast cancer and also a cover of a magazine is Jamie Eason. Are you talking about her???????????????????????????????
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The best case is a well known person who claimed to have cancer, have their breast removed and justified her implants by that. I know this not to be true. I also know that none of their pictures seem to show the massive scaring that would have occured from the initial breast removal. Amazing what some will do for a cover. I believe in karma, so we'll see.
Are you upset because you paid for them or because you're not with her? Pretty heavy accusation there.
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The best case is a well known person who claimed to have cancer, have their breast removed and justified her implants by that. I know this not to be true. I also know that none of their pictures seem to show the massive scaring that would have occured from the initial breast removal. Amazing what some will do for a cover. I believe in karma, so we'll see.
I personally have never been bashed for having breast implants, at least not to my face. But I've seen other girls getting verbally & electronically tore up for having them. It's so depressing to know there are so many out there with such passionate opinions about breast implants that it makes me wonder if these opinionated-people think that implants were bought for THEM !! it seems the only acceptable reason for any women to get breast implants is because of disfiguration. Well, i find that ironic because I myself have had dealt with men in the past bashing me about my flat chest, as if I was disfigured ! ! I can see why a woman would say she had cancer to make the opinionated one feel like absolute sh*t for making an negative comment about her implants.
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Are you upset because you paid for them or because you're not with her? Pretty heavy accusation there.
Are you confirming or denying the nameless allegation put forward by 1Fast?
Give me a name or this dies right here.
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Are you confirming or denying the nameless allegation put forward by 1Fast?
Give me a name or this dies right here.
I have no such knowledge of her medical history and not in a position to make such a claim.
I love when you get all tough Tre.
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heh heh @ Lift
That's where I'm at (not having such knowledge as to state anything definitively about another person's medical history), too, but if 1Fast claims to have intimate knowledge about something, then I'm willing to take him at his word until he is discredited.
My position: he's been right about everything else, so even though he is making a serious (albeit nameless) allegation, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
No one is rushing forward to contradict his claims.
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heh heh @ Lift
That's where I'm at (not having such knowledge as to state anything definitively about another person's medical history), too, but if 1Fast claims to have intimate knowledge about something, then I'm willing to take him at his word until he is discredited.
My position: he's been right about everything else, so even though he is making a serious (albeit nameless) allegation, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
No one is rushing forward to contradict his claims.
You seriously don't know who he's talking about? Or you just trying to get him to put a name on it, so that she can sue him? LOL
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You seriously don't know who he's talking about? Or you just trying to get him to put a name on it, so that she can sue him? LOL
His mention was the first I've ever heard of anyone in the industry masquerading as a breast cancer survivor.
Earlier this week, I learned that one of the fitness models is a breast cancer survivor.
It's just a coincidence that the two stories both came onto my radar this week.
That said, making a true statement about someone is not an actionable offense.
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Are Figure/Fitness Competitors Role Models?
If they inspire someone to feel better about themselves, or inspire someone to work out / get in shape, yes, they are role models, but like any kind of sport, or job, not everyone is. Some are, some are not.
I like competitors that have a story, like being a teacher, a cop, a firefighter, a Masters Degree, which inspires both staying in school, and learning a professional, as well as being a competitor.
I personally have never been bashed for having breast implants
Jeez... in Los Angeles, many people have them. If it makes them feel better for themselves, that is their choice. It doesnt hurt someone. Actresses have it down all the time.
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Going back to the subject of figure & fitness competitors being role models.
Does anybody think that if a competitor exemplifies the term "role model" in many ways (spiritually, personality, success,ect) but has posed nude, does this nullify her role model status?
My answer... hell no ! Let's all get naked! :-D
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Going back to the subject of figure & fitness competitors being role models.
Does anybody think that if a competitor exemplifies the term "role model" in many ways (spiritually, personality, success,ect) but has posed nude, does this nullify her role model status?
My answer... hell no ! Let's all get naked! :-D
PM sent
;D
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To me - in general - no.
Some impress me of course - with other aspects of their lives, like [Dr] Tracey Greenwood and some others.
In general though, someone who works out alot, diets hard, uses some gear, struts on stage in a bikini, and many spend time offstage bending over with a string stuck up their butt or other such endeavours - is not really my idea of a role model. And not trying to sound cold, as I compete myself - but it is what it is.
My idea of role model would be more along the lines of figures like Mandela, regular people who have made a difference [great teachers etc] or even within this industry people like Simon Robinson come to mind.
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Let me lay it out this way. At some point in your life you are diagnosed with breast cancer. Way before you do anything in this industry. You don't go through any of the "bad" things associated with cancer, which is why you tell everyone early in your career that you'll never use it to advance yourself.
Claiming to have HAD cancer would be an honest and true statement by. Claiming to have a recurrance of cancer, having to get a lumpectomy and that is why you got implants, I call that a lie. Some people will give such a story to justify implants to other people in their life, maybe their mom? This is all food for thought. I'm not asking nor do I care if anyone believes me. Use your own senses to answer the question of truth. Read the magazines, look at the pictures and you do the math.
Regardless of WHO this is, from the stories you've heard about what people will do to further there so called career's in this field, would this surprise you? I have no dog in the fight. I sold my companies 2 years ago. This industry as disgusted me on so many levels. Any sort of self respect is gone. There are a FEW select people that I'll always remain friends with because they are real people.
Think about how you guys reacted to my response. I listed a ton of positive info about Katie and her turning pro. The only things you guys want to focus on is the negatives, which there is no shortage of in this industry. I'm a firm believer in karma. We all make decisions we have to live with. As long as you can put your head on your pillow at night and sleep, then don't worry about the rest.
Issac, normally I wouldn't dignify your questions with a response. However, this time I'll entertain you just a little bit. I've never paid for a set of implants in my life. If anyone I'm with chooses to do that, it's on their own, not because of me. My personal life couldn't be better at this point. I'm with the most amazing woman I've ever met and will be married by next year. I choose to have a woman in my life who is mentally stable, comfortable with herself, of high intelligence and is willing to put up with my crazy work life. It would make a better story if someone was all bitter, but that's not me. I just think all of this is funny. At the end of the day, after all the covers and pseduo fame all we really have are our morals and values. I'm perfectly fine with me.
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I'm working on my third year of survivorship. I was the first one on either side of my family to have cancer. I was Stage 2 and had a lumpectomy that took most of the top half of my breast. I went through 6 months of Chemo, 6 weeks of radiation and because my cancer was HER 2+ (which is aggressive), I took a year of Herceptin. I am now working on my second year of Femara (a one a day hormone pill to stop the production of estrogen). Femara is a 5 year regime. I have a scar underneath my arm where 8 lymphnodes were taken and a scar where the tumor was taken from my breast. I have brought up the former, just so you know that I have been there, done that and currently continue my regime to beat this beast (which in my mind, I have). Unless you have actually had cancer, it is hard for anyone to say they know what it is like. God Bless those women who blazed the trails for the ones of us coming up. God Bless the men and women who treat and take care of us to help us beat this disease and live longer lives. You mentioned the lack of scarring. I can tell you that my scars are fading to the point that you would have to look very hard to find them. I know of women, who have had mastectomies and it would be very difficult to see any scars. There are women who have had mastectomies and then reconstructions, even before they leave the surgical room. Many surgical doctors try very hard to ensure that the least amount of disfiguring occurs. New techniques have come about to make a woman feel better about her body.
I don't know if this competitor did or did not have cancer but I'm not here to judge her. Many people say a lot of things that are not true only because they believe they need to in order to get ahead. Personally, I find that getting implants is so far down on the totem pole of importance. It's not a mortal sin!
What troubles me more is the amount of scorn that is heaped upon the competitors for doing what they feel they need to do to compete. It is so "damed if you do, damed if you don't". Is there any of you out there, who have managed to make it thru life without telling a white lie to get ahead in some form or fashion? Until the judging industry reforms itself, I think you should leave the competitors alone.
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I dunno about this one, 1Fast - you know that I normally like what you have to say, but in your earlier post, you clearly implied that person-x did *not* have cancer, yet now you're saying that she did have a confirmed diagnosis and that the lie you alleged concerns only the reason for getting the implants.
It's entirely possible that it's her handlers who've decided to play up the cancer survivor angle and not person-x herself. If you guys are, in fact, talking about Jamie Eason (this was PM'd to me by someone requesting to remain anonymous), I've known her name for over 3 years, yet this past week was the first I've ever heard that she'd been diagnosed with cancer.
Given that reality, as overexposed as she is, I would have to argue that she had a career in fitness prior to this information coming to light.
Feel free to correct me if any of you think I'm wrong, but on this one, 1Fast, I sense some backpeddling on your part.
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Tre, just read the post and leave your bias nature out of it. Maybe in your mind it's ok to claim you had a RECURRANCE of breast cancer, had all your breast tissue removed and that is why you got implants. To me, that is claiming to have had cancer when you didn't. Especially when none of that occurred (the recurrance or tissue removal). As far as how I know all this? I painted the person in question at Jr Nationals in chicago and the following week in Miami. It was the first competition since the implant surgery.
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Mike props on being with a woman that makes ya happy and the wedding ahead.