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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: *ChuteBoxe* on December 04, 2007, 09:27:50 PM
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Mauricio "Shogun" Rua will return at UFC 83. Who he will fight is yet to be revealed, but we'll try to shed some light on the subject.
At Cage Rage 24, Murilo "Ninja" Rua defeated Xavier Foupa-Pokam to move to an impressive 3-0 in Cage Rage events. In his corner was his younger brother, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, who has made a huge impact on the entire sport of MMA. After the event, Shogun revealed to the press and to fans that he would be returning to the Octogan at UFC 83. No opponent has been named.
Although an opponent hasn't been named, according to Shogun's management there is a strong possibility of him fighting Tito Ortiz. Although this is currently just a name being thrown around, rumors often come true.
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This would be a good fight. That is if Shogun doesn't gas with in a couple of minutes of the first round. ::)
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This would be a good fight. That is if Shogun doesn't gas with in a couple of minutes of the first round. ::)
Yeah he looked bad against Forrest. I watched it again last night. Pretty good fight though. Tito would kill that guy, he doesn't have enough heart to get into decent shape and we know Tito will come in in top condition.
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Yeah he looked bad against Forrest. I watched it again last night. Pretty good fight though. Tito would kill that guy, he doesn't have enough heart to get into decent shape and we know Tito will come in in top condition.
The thing about Shogun is, he's still young. I think he's only 26. Give the guy a coulpe of more years fighting. He is already a great fighter.
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The thing about Shogun is, he's still young. I think he's only 26. Give the guy a coulpe of more years fighting. He is already a great fighter.
He may turn out to be good in the UFC, but he has to get in shape for his fights, that was horrible how quickly he gassed against Forrest.
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Shogun isn't a KO puncher and his wrestling sucks, Tito would more than likely take him down at will and lay on him for three rounds.
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Shogun isn't a KO puncher and his wrestling sucks, Tito would more than likely take him down at will and lay on him for three rounds.
I think Shogun should beat someone before he gets a main event personally. Too many good people at 205 and Tito is getting old, no need to throw him in there with a kid that doesn't take the sport serious.
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Tito would have his hands full with Shogun...if amphetamines & cheque drops were allowed in the UFC. This would be a great fight...hope it happens.
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Tito would have his hands full with Shogun...if amphetamines & cheque drops were allowed in the UFC. This would be a great fight...hope it happens.
You must have missed the Forrest- Shogun fight. The kid has no heart. He couldn't even hold his hands up to block his face :o
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I think Shogun should beat someone before he gets a main event personally. Too many good people at 205 and Tito is getting old, no need to throw him in there with a kid that doesn't take the sport serious.
You think Tito is getting old? I think a combination of injuries and lack of focus have resulted in weak performances by an otherwise animal in the cage...
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Shogun isn't a KO puncher and his wrestling sucks, Tito would more than likely take him down at will and lay on him for three rounds.
Shogun beat the shit out of the current UFC champ. Shogun didn't train properly for his last fight with forrest. The guy got married two weeks before that fight.
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You must have missed the Forrest- Shogun fight. The kid has no heart. He couldn't even hold his hands up to block his face :o
Of course I watched it. It was a HUGE upset...and I picked Forrest for the win! Have you seen his pride fights?
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Of course I watched it. It was a HUGE upset...and I picked Forrest for the win! Have you seen his pride fights?
Yes, a few of them. Let me tell you something you may not know about Pride. They were allowed to take drugs over there, so you need to remember that and the only thing you can use to accurately guage their abilities are their drug tested fights. He looked average at best against Forrest. Other than the money he is getting paid, I don't see why he deserves a fight with Tito ???
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Yes, a few of them. Let me tell you something you may not know about Pride. They were allowed to take drugs over there, so you need to remember that and the only thing you can use to accurately guage their abilities are their drug tested fights. He looked average at best against Forrest. Other than the money he is getting paid, I don't see why he deserves a fight with Tito ???
I just referenced the Pride drug usage a few posts up...
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Yes, a few of them. Let me tell you something you may not know about Pride. They were allowed to take drugs over there, so you need to remember that and the only thing you can use to accurately guage their abilities are their drug tested fights. He looked average at best against Forrest. Other than the money he is getting paid, I don't see why he deserves a fight with Tito ???
The fighters in the UFC are taking drugs also.
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I just referenced the Pride drug usage a few posts up...
Yes I realize that. I was merely pointing out that it doesn't matter what the guy did in Japan if he can't fight in the Octagon. :P
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The fighters in the UFC are taking drugs also.
When they get caught they get sanctioned, no? Were Pride fighters even tested for steroids?
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When they get caught they get sanctioned, no? Were Pride fighters even tested for steroids?
No, Pride fighters were not tested. However, in the UFC it's obvoius that these guy's are taking GH. Which is not detected in a drug test.
Randy Couture is on HRT replacement. So, he has an excuse for high levels of testostrone.
Do you think it's ok for Couture to take GH and Test?
Cro Cop and shogun are completely clean.
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No, Pride fighters were not tested. However, in the UFC it's obvoius that these guy's are taking GH. Which is not detected in a drug test.
Randy Couture is on HRT replacement. So, he has an excuse for high levels of testostrone.
Do you think it's ok for Couture to take GH and Test?
Cro Cop and shogun are completely clean.
First I am gonna need a link that says he is on HRT. Then I am gonna need a link that says he is going to even fight in the UFC anymore and then I need a link to one of his fights with Cro-Crop or Shogun. Not sure how an ex UFC fighter got brought into this ???
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First I am gonna need a link that says he is on HRT. Then I am gonna need a link that says he is going to even fight in the UFC anymore and then I need a link to one of his fights with Cro-Crop or Shogun. Not sure how an ex UFC fighter got brought into this ???
I'm saying the Pride fighters in the UFC are clean, and the old UFC fighters are getting around the drug test. Here is an article on Couture. I will post the audio version of Joe Rogans interview when I'm not at work.
Randy “The Natural” Couture has been quoted as saying that there’s a “Steroid witch hunt” with him in the crosshairs. ONE DAY before UFC 74, Joe Rogan, the UFC’s color commentator, added fuel to this fire when he did a guest spot on ESPNEWS to promote the Pay-Per-View event by claiming that Couture had undergone “hormone replacement therapy” and applauded what modern science could do for older fighters.
The single biggest catastrophe that the UFC could face would be a steroid controversy surrounding one not only it’s World Heavyweight Champion, but one of it’s most popular and well-known fighters. A catastrophe that could spell not just the end of the MMA “revolution”, but the end of the UFC as we know it.
Let us not forget, by the way, that “Hormone replacement therapy” is still steroids. If it’s true, so be it; Couture did it to himself. If it’s not true, shame on Joe Rogan for tainting one of the promotions top fighters. Steroids, in this day and age, are no laughing matter. They are taken as seriously as any other allegation in today’s sports world.
The UFC’s hands are tied to a certain degree as well. They can only test before a fight and not in the weeks spent training. If a fighter knows exactly how long a certain chemical takes to leave his or her body, they can take whatever they like and do as they please as long as they’re clean when they test, both before the fight and after. I applaud the UFC’s drug policy and it’s strict repercussions a positive test incurs, but in some ways the system could be changed for the better without impeding a fighters training.
The UFC must, after all, be sure that none of it’s current Champions are ’roid users. They must also make sure that no NEW Champion is a ’roid user, either. The UFC has an obligation to itself to make sure that each and every fight is as clean as it can possibly be.
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Cro Cop and shogun are completely clean.
Ha ha ha,,,LMAO!
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You must have missed the Forrest- Shogun fight. The kid has no heart. He couldn't even hold his hands up to block his face :o
apparently you haven't seen any of his pride fights
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apparently you haven't seen any of his pride fights
Sure I have. I am commenting on his octagon skills.
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Sure I have. I am commenting on his octagon skills.
so u make a judgement about him from one fight (after a long lay off) and forget about all of his great fights
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so u make a judgement about him from one fight (after a long lay off) and forget about all of his great fights
Yes I do. It's becoming a trend that these Pride guys get their money in the UFC so they think they don't have to train hard. Frankly, I am sick of it. Put Shogun on the TUF finale card or something.
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Yes I do. It's becoming a trend that these Pride guys get their money in the UFC
that's the thing though....
they're gettin the big bux right out of the gate, so dana has no choice but to put them in as headliners
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Shogun beat the shit out of the current UFC champ. Shogun didn't train properly for his last fight with forrest. The guy got married two weeks before that fight.
With that logic, Marc Coleman beat the shit out of Shogun.
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With that logic, Marc Coleman beat the shit out of Shogun.
It's a fact!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15poq_shogun-rua-vs-rampage-jackson-ref-c_sport
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Yes I do. It's becoming a trend that these Pride guys get their money in the UFC so they think they don't have to train hard. Frankly, I am sick of it. Put Shogun on the TUF finale card or something.
What are you talking about?
Anderson Silva has gone through the UFC's middleweight division, and Rampage has gone through the UFC's lightheavy weight division. The next heavyweight champ will be Big Nog.
"Young Danielson," all these guys are pride fighters! ;)
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What are you talking about?
Anderson Silva has gone through the UFC's middleweight division, and Rampage has gone through the UFC's lightheavy weight division. The next heavyweight champ will be Big Nog.
"Young Danielson," all these guys are pride fighters! ;)
They are pretty good, but what about Crocop and Shogun? :(
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They are pretty good, but what about Crocop and Shogun? :(
I don't know what to say about them.
Those two are the biggest upsets of the year.
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I don't know what to say about them.
Those two are the biggest upsets of the year.
CC lost twice.
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It's a fact!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15poq_shogun-rua-vs-rampage-jackson-ref-c_sport
Ive seen that fight along with every single one of Shogun's fights, Rampage's floating ribs were seperated with that knee early on (an injury), but instead of giving up he ate shot after shot and still wasn't ko'd, in Pride rules where kicks and knees to the head of a downed opponent are allowed (which Shogun used in that fight). How does that mean Shogun would beat Rampage today? That was Rampage's last fight with Team Oyama, Juanito Ibarra has made Rampage twice the fighter he was then. Shogun on the other hand really hasn't improved much and the UFC's rules don't really help him much either. Watch all of Shogun's fights since Marc Coleman "beat the shit out of Shogun", and tell me he's the same Shogun that won the MWGP. Like I said Shogun's wrestling sucks, his boxing sucks (he's sloppy and pretty hittable), the only thing Shogun has to rely on is his BJJ, that's pretty much what he's been relying on since his fight with Coleman, and the UFC's no head stomps or knees to the head on the ground ain't gonna help him much either. At least Wandy realized this and looked to better his game in order to adapt to the different rules, Thiago Silva is also being smart by splitting his training time with Team Link (ATT).
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Ive seen that fight along with every single one of Shogun's fights, Rampage's floating ribs were seperated with that knee early on (an injury), but instead of giving up he ate shot after shot and still wasn't ko'd, in Pride rules where kicks and knees to the head of a downed opponent are allowed (which Shogun used in that fight). How does that mean Shogun would beat Rampage today? That was Rampage's last fight with Team Oyama, Juanito Ibarra has made Rampage twice the fighter he was then. Shogun on the other hand really hasn't improved much and the UFC's rules don't really help him much either. Watch all of Shogun's fights since Marc Coleman "beat the shit out of Shogun", and tell me he's the same Shogun that won the MWGP. Like I said Shogun's wrestling sucks, his boxing sucks (he's sloppy and pretty hittable), the only thing Shogun has to rely on is his BJJ, that's pretty much what he's been relying on since his fight with Coleman, and the UFC's no head stomps or knees to the head on the ground ain't gonna help him much either. At least Wandy realized this and looked to better his game in order to adapt to the different rules, Thiago Silva is also being smart by splitting his training time with Team Link (ATT).
not sure if shogun would beat rampage today.. probably not but he killed him before. rampage will eventually be exposed.
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not sure if shogun would beat rampage today.. probably not but he killed him before. rampage will eventually be exposed.
Rampage will definately be exposed, there is a few guys out there whose strengths play into Rampage's weaknesses, Rampage is still very beatable. The thing I have never like about Chuteboxe fighters is their sloppy boxing, they may have decent Muay Thai, and they may be aggressive, and it has always worked for them, but nowadays your seeing that everybody is learning Muay Thai, Boxing,Wrestling and BJJ, and here is Chuteboxe with the Muay Thai and BJJ and it's not really cutting it anymore. Look at Ninja for example, he used to be a force at 205lbs, he arguably beat Dan Henderson and Rampage and lately he's been getting torn up on his feet in almost every fight (with the exception of Villasenor, although he did eat some shots in that fight too though)and having to resort to his BJJ, and luckily most of his opponents suck on the ground. The same is happening to Shogun.
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Rampage will definately be exposed, there is a few guys out there whose strengths play into Rampage's weaknesses, Rampage is still very beatable.
I tend to agree...
rampage really did look like shit against freeman in his first ufc fight and lets face it,he caught chuck on the button with one punch
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Agreed, but the deal with Page is the man is extremely strong, can punch, and he isn't a "Houston" :-X on his back.. Page is going to be a top 5 for a while if he continues working his ass off. I believe the downfall will be himself. It's not a secret how much he likes to train. He speaks about it freely. I thnk you will see what happened with Chuck. Page will become Mr. popular, spot lights and he will get his ass trashed.
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Ive seen that fight along with every single one of Shogun's fights, Rampage's floating ribs were seperated with that knee early on (an injury), but instead of giving up he ate shot after shot and still wasn't ko'd, in Pride rules where kicks and knees to the head of a downed opponent are allowed (which Shogun used in that fight). How does that mean Shogun would beat Rampage today? That was Rampage's last fight with Team Oyama, Juanito Ibarra has made Rampage twice the fighter he was then. Shogun on the other hand really hasn't improved much and the UFC's rules don't really help him much either. Watch all of Shogun's fights since Marc Coleman "beat the shit out of Shogun", and tell me he's the same Shogun that won the MWGP. Like I said Shogun's wrestling sucks, his boxing sucks (he's sloppy and pretty hittable), the only thing Shogun has to rely on is his BJJ, that's pretty much what he's been relying on since his fight with Coleman, and the UFC's no head stomps or knees to the head on the ground ain't gonna help him much either. At least Wandy realized this and looked to better his game in order to adapt to the different rules, Thiago Silva is also being smart by splitting his training time with Team Link (ATT).
You are absolutely correct, Shogun sucks. ::)
http://www.heavy.com/video/21995