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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Klaustrophobia on December 05, 2007, 04:34:52 PM
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Why you american shoot eachother? Why you not like eachother? 9 dead
Hugs before guns
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the mall sucks
"...Witnesses said the gunman fired down on shoppers from a third-floor balcony of the Von Maur store. One witness told a TV station that he shot up a teddy bear as he sprayed fire on shoppers..."
but of course
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what was the teddy bear's name?
I smell a protest!!
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How long would this rampage have lasted if everyone was walking around armed ;)
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Had to be a white guy
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that's really sad!! schools, malls... nowhere is safe
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How long would this rampage have lasted if everyone was walking around armed ;)
As long as the war in Iraq... probably longer.
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thats fucked,
that has to be traumatizing to experience in a mall.
Dear mall manager:
Yes, I agree. In a parking lot or perhaps an office building, it would be fine, but in a mall... the horror.
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that's really sad!! schools, malls... nowhere is safe
yes its really sad
white men and kids shoot up schools, malls, and jobs.
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what was the teddy bear's name?
I smell a protest!!
" He hates those bears." -Steve martin
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How long would this rampage have lasted if everyone was walking around armed ;)
that fuckstain would have had 30 shoppers firing upon him once the first shots rang.
he would have had ten people running up the stairs to plug him as he crouched.
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are. The guy could have stabbed ten people just as easily. An armed society is a polite society.
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that fuckstain would have had 30 shoppers firing upon him once the first shots rang.
he would have had ten people running up the stairs to plug him as he crouched.
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are. The guy could have stabbed ten people just as easily. An armed society is a polite society.
And there would likely be more dead. Additionally, aside from the street thugs out there, most people don't have the courage to kill someone.
240 is right though, a gun isn't bad, it's a hard heart that kills.
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And there would likely be more dead.
you're telling me that if 30 people had emptied their clips into the elevated position of the coward, MORE would have died?
I contend that would be 300 more chances the asshole stopped before he hit ten people.
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you're telling me that if 30 people had emptied their clips into the elevated position of the coward, MORE would have died?
I contend that would be 300 more chances the asshole stopped before he hit ten people.
You're not talking about well trained shooters here and bullets have to go somewhere, not always in the bad guys. You're also just basing this on the fact that people could bring themselves to shoot another person.
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that fuckstain would have had 30 shoppers firing upon him once the first shots rang.
he would have had ten people running up the stairs to plug him as he crouched.
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are. The guy could have stabbed ten people just as easily. An armed society is a polite society.
Tell that to Swedes and Norwegians...
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You're not talking about well trained shooters here and bullets have to go somewhere, not always in the bad guys. You're also just basing this on the fact that people could bring themselves to shoot another person.
exactly - 30 different shooters, all in various stages of panic, most probably shooting at each other or just hitting innocent bystanders
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The USA has the highest level of crime of any developed country...speaks volumes I think...
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You're not talking about well trained shooters here and bullets have to go somewhere, not always in the bad guys. You're also just basing this on the fact that people could bring themselves to shoot another person.
Yes, but in close prox, ten bullets, one will hit close.
and yeah, some people won't fire. But some will. And knowing that he couldn't "go out in style" as his suicide note read, this 19-year old fired from McD for stealing $17 might have chosen another place
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guys, the toothpaste tube is empty. no way to get all the guns back now.
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guys, the toothpaste tube is empty. no way to get all the guns back now.
The USA has the highest level of gun related crime of any industrial nation...
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guys, the toothpaste tube is empty. no way to get all the guns back now.
I have no problem with guns, gun ownership etc... but I don't think letting just anyone walk around with a gun is going to prevent shit like this and the downside is pretty huge. The average person is not trained to safely engage in gun fight.
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The USA has the highest level of gun related crime of any industrial nation...
what is the solution?
you ban them all?
Do you trust LE's ability to collect all the guns - even the illegal ones they are unable to find TODAY?
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I have no problem with guns, gun ownership etc... but I don't think letting just anyone walk around with a gun is going to prevent shit like this and the downside is pretty huge. The average person is not trained to safely engage in gun fight.
I agree and don't think that is the issue here. I think these are isolated incidents of idiots with guns. That being said, many military and police personnel are poor shots and to entrust an average joe who took a CCW class to take down an assailant is asking a bit much.
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I agree and don't think that is the issue here. I think these are isolated incidents of idiots with guns. That being said, many military and police personnel are poor shots and to entrust an average joe who took a CCW class to take down an assailant is asking a bit much.
the only issue I can see is why this guy thought his next best choice in life was to kill 10 people at random and then kill himself
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what is the solution?
you ban them all?
Do you trust LE's ability to collect all the guns - even the illegal ones they are unable to find TODAY?
Actually I don't think there is a solution and I really don't care (I don't live there).
I think Americans are pretty backward in a lot of ways so there will continue to be gun related violence one way or another. Let people have their guns if they like them, it doesn't affect me.
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the only issue I can see is why this guy thought his next best choice in life was to kill 10 people at random and then kill himself
He was 19 and got fired from McD today for stealing $17.
Sounds like he was a few mcnuggets short of a happy meal to begin with.
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He was 19 and got fired from McD today for stealing $17.
Sounds like he was a few mcnuggets short of a happy meal to begin with.
exactly - it's a mental health issue
other than the fact that he used a gun it's not a gun issue
he could have used a knife, he could have used a bomb, etc...
he wanted to die and he wanted to kill people
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Had to be a white guy
yea, blacks don't do crazy shit like this... John Allen Muhammad, Lee Boyd Malvo...
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How long would this rampage have lasted if everyone was walking around armed ;)
excellent point.
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yea, blacks don't do crazy shit like this... John Allen Muhammad, Lee Boyd Malvo...
Not to mention all the acts of violence like drive-by shootings that occur all the time by people of color.
I think we'd all like to think that people would take action but men used to shooting animals (deers, pigs, etc) don't necessarily have the desire for the "pink mist".
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yea, blacks don't do crazy shit like this... John Allen Muhammad, Lee Boyd Malvo...
We don't claim those guys :D
No blacks don't do crazy shit like this. If we have "drama" with somebody we go after that "person" and not innocent people. Whites are more likely to shoot up schools, jobs, and malls. Go look it up buddy. Most of them claim video games made them do it, bullied by classmates,or they got fired from work. ::)
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Not to mention all the acts of violence like drive-by shootings that occur all the time by people of color.
I think we'd all like to think that people would take action but men used to shooting animals (deers, pigs, etc) don't necessarily have the desire for the "pink mist".
Those "people of color" don't go out shooting innocent people(most of time) like this kid did.
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you're telling me that if 30 people had emptied their clips into the elevated position of the coward, MORE would have died?
I contend that would be 300 more chances the asshole stopped before he hit ten people.
oh brother ::)
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We don't claim those guys :D
No blacks don't do crazy shit like this. If we have "drama" with somebody we go after that "person" and not innocent people. Whites are more likely to shoot up schools, jobs, and malls. Go look it up buddy. Most of them claim video games made them do it, bullied by classmates,or they got fired from work. ::)
I guess you're not claiming all these "gangsta" douches going around shooting everything up either ::) Don't go trying to tell me innocent people don't get killed when they go on their shooting sprees.
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that fuckstain would have had 30 shoppers firing upon him once the first shots rang.
he would have had ten people running up the stairs to plug him as he crouched.
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are. The guy could have stabbed ten people just as easily. An armed society is a polite society.
Then why are more people killed in USA than in countries like UK or France?
Do you think people are better in those countries? ???
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are.
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Has Leafy_Bug benn online today? ::)
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there needs to be a news agency, or program that doesnt glorify this shit.. dont show his picture and dont show his name.. he did this for only one reason -so people would know who he is.. just like the VT shooter, or any other mass murderer in history. they want people to remember what they did.. i'll bet a million dollars this kid saw what went on at VT.. and in his fucked up mind that was cool to him, and so he repeated.
theres a city in ny where they developed a program that dropped gang violence by 75%.. they passed a law that news agency's would not be allowed to even report on anything related to gang violence. they are only allowed to report that there was a shooting, and in this section of the city -nothing else,no names, no details, no pictures....most criminals do what they do for recognition.. when its not reported, they loose that major tool. they loose out on that fear they spread.. i know of a few killers who said they loved to see the news, and hear about what they did.
somebody step up and take that away from them. everyone hates him, but watch. i bet bill o'reilly will be the first to do this.
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Those "people of color" don't go out shooting innocent people(most of time) like this kid did.
Hahaahaha. Yeah, they don't spray rounds from automatic weapons, not caring who gets hit. ::) Killing over petty shit in "the hood" doesn't make the hit correct and those gang hits happen more often than Cletus in the mall or Mr. Chang at a major university.
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somebody step up and take that away from them. everyone hates him, but watch. i bet bill o'reilly will be the first to do this.
I don't know... remember when OReilly had the crusade to stop exploitation of teens on spring break?
Before EVERY commercial break, he showed 15 seconds of these poor exploited girls shaking their shit. Then at 11:55 pm, last 5 min of the show, he did a fluff piece on them, showing it again.
Perhaps showing the same 5 girls being exploited on loop, so your fox viewers could jack off at their desks without the sleeping wifey knowing, isn't how you HELP those girls.
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Hahaahaha. Yeah, they don't spray rounds from automatic weapons, not caring who gets hit. ::) Killing over petty shit in "the hood" doesn't make the hit correct and those gang hits happen more often than Cletus in the mall or Mr. Chang at a major university.
shhhh.... You'll spoil his delusions of grandeur.... He's no doubt on one of those "blacks invented the world,... and your guitar" trips :D
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that fuckstain would have had 30 shoppers firing upon him once the first shots rang.
he would have had ten people running up the stairs to plug him as he crouched.
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are. The guy could have stabbed ten people just as easily. An armed society is a polite society.
That's like 'good fences make good neighbors'...of course that was written as an ironic statement.
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shhhh.... You'll spoil his delusions of grandeur.... He's no doubt on one of those "blacks invented the world,... and your guitar" trips :D
Yeah isolated accounts of so called "white" violence as opposed to the rampant acts in shit neighborhoods. Sgt. D's claims that it is okay for blacks to go kill other blacks to solve "drama" makes his community look even worse. Condoning violence over women, drug deals, etc as long as only the "guilty" party gets killed puts it all in a new perspective. ::) Maybe he can set a legal precedent. "Don't worry jury members, he only killed the man who did him wrong. He won that dice game fair and square."
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anyone who brings race into this is a stone cold idiot.
an asshole committed those murders. Not a white man, a christian, a nazi, a pagan, or whatever else the F he is. An asshole.
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anyone who brings race into this is a stone cold idiot.
an asshole committed those murders. Not a white man, a christian, a nazi, a pagan, or whatever else the F he is. An asshole.
That's a bit harsh but sgt. d just made an incorrect statement, nothing more.
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that fuckstain would have had 30 shoppers firing upon him once the first shots rang.
he would have had ten people running up the stairs to plug him as he crouched.
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are. The guy could have stabbed ten people just as easily. An armed society is a polite society.
Crossfire would have been a bit of a bitch at that point.
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Crossfire would have been a bit of a bitch at that point.
Not in 240's hollywood action movie world. ::)
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Not in 240's hollywood action movie world. ::)
I'm not anti-gun at all.....I fired my first pistol at age 2 (with a bit of help)
But, all I'm picturing in that scenario is a few middle aged women with gun in their left hand, right hand up covering their face....gun almost upside down, held up high almost over their head, firing randomly in the direction the gunman was in 30 seconds ago.
Ever see two cars try to merge into the same lane at the same time?
Two cars traveling 30 miles an hour come within 10 feet of each other and they yank the wheel 90 degrees in the opposite direction as if Zeus himself suddenly erupted from the center of that lane.
People shit their pants and nearly mow down a home when a squirrel runs in front of their car.
I don't see people dropping to one knee and taking aim with both hands firmly on their handgun.....
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I'm not anti-gun at all.....I fired my first pistol at age 2 (with a bit of help)
But, all I'm picturing in that scenario is a few middle aged women with gun in their left hand, right hand up covering their face....gun almost upside down, held up high almost over their head, firing randomly in the direction the gunman was in 30 seconds ago.
Ever see two cars try to merge into the same lane at the same time?
Two cars traveling 30 miles an hour come within 10 feet of each other and they yank the wheel 90 degrees in the opposite direction as if Zeus himself suddenly erupted from the center of that lane.
People shit their pants and nearly mow down a home when a squirrel runs in front of their car.
I don't see people dropping to one knee and taking aim with both hands firmly on their handgun.....
i think there's nothing to add here.
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I don't know about others, but I guarantee I would take a single target without shooting up everyone else. One shot one kill baby :)
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I don't know about others, but I guarantee I would take a single target without shooting up everyone else. One shot one kill baby :)
If you're a cop or otherwise trained, yes you would.
But i guarantee no 'normal' human being will be able to shoot straight in such a situation, when you are suddenly under fire in a totally normal environment with lots of other people running around, screaming, bleeding and so on.
First thing is, you will run, as fast as you can, then maybe when you feel safe you will check for your gun, but then it'll be too late for someone else.
I know people in law enforcement (sth. like a SWAT) that had to snipe someone and they say it's not easy, even if you know you have to to save innocents.
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anyone who brings race into this is a stone cold idiot.
an asshole committed those murders. Not a white man, a christian, a nazi, a pagan, or whatever else the F he is. An asshole.
Why all the name calling today? Did you have a client turn down your website services? ;D
Hahaahaha. Yeah, they don't spray rounds from automatic weapons, not caring who gets hit. ::) Killing over petty shit in "the hood" doesn't make the hit correct and those gang hits happen more often than Cletus in the mall or Mr. Chang at a major university.
Those things happen in rough neighbors. I say let the gangs kill themselves. We are talking about a mall here.
shhhh.... You'll spoil his delusions of grandeur.... He's no doubt on one of those "blacks invented the world,... and your guitar" trips :D
haha ok "berserker". we have real comedian on getbig. ::)
Yeah isolated accounts of so called "white" violence as opposed to the rampant acts in shit neighborhoods. Sgt. D's claims that it is okay for blacks to go kill other blacks to solve "drama" makes his community look even worse. Condoning violence over women, drug deals, etc as long as only the "guilty" party gets killed puts it all in a new perspective. ::) Maybe he can set a legal precedent. "Don't worry jury members, he only killed the man who did him wrong. He won that dice game fair and square."
No it is not okay for blacks to kill other blacks. Like you give a shit anways. You act like violence in the ghetto is something new.::) You can't change how people act in the projects. There is always going to be drug dealers, prostitutes, and violence in those areas. Most of these people have no job, no education, etc.If parents(both) raise their children they wouldnt have that kind of problem.
I'm not anti-gun at all.....I fired my first pistol at age 2 (with a bit of help)
But, all I'm picturing in that scenario is a few middle aged women with gun in their left hand, right hand up covering their face....gun almost upside down, held up high almost over their head, firing randomly in the direction the gunman was in 30 seconds ago.
Ever see two cars try to merge into the same lane at the same time?
Two cars traveling 30 miles an hour come within 10 feet of each other and they yank the wheel 90 degrees in the opposite direction as if Zeus himself suddenly erupted from the center of that lane.
People shit their pants and nearly mow down a home when a squirrel runs in front of their car.
I don't see people dropping to one knee and taking aim with both hands firmly on their handgun.....
240 is such a gangster
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I don't know about others, but I guarantee I would take a single target without shooting up everyone else. One shot one kill baby :)
Oh boy ::)
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I don't know about others, but I guarantee I would take a single target without shooting up everyone else. One shot one kill baby :)
Oh boy ::)
Well, to his defence you'd just have to change it a bit...
I don't know about others, but I guarantee I would take a single target without shooting up everyone else. One shot one kill baby :)
More innocents dead. :'( :'(
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Sgt D, I don't care about the gangs but they are only there because the community does not stand up against them so that's that. Don't act like this is some huge phenomenon with the "white" community. This only gets air time because it is out of the ordinary for this group.
As for the Dirty Harrys around here, I guarantee that if most LEOs hesitate in the line of fire, you will most certainly too. Self preservation is an innate instinct and when the bullets fly most duck and run. Some don't and those are the ones that will shoot back, trust me.
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Sgt D, I don't care about the gangs but they are only there because the community does not stand up against them so that's that
If some prick gang or dope house set up shop in my neighborhood, I'd be calling the police 24/7 so that there was a police presence, I'd be calling the media with any reason I could to get attention out there. Neighborhood watch, etc. Do that shit elsewhere.
I have high standards for the street where I live and my kids will grow up. I would hope most on my street would be the same way. Looking the other way will only encourage ten more to move in.
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that fuckstain would have had 30 shoppers firing upon him once the first shots rang.
he would have had ten people running up the stairs to plug him as he crouched.
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are. The guy could have stabbed ten people just as easily. An armed society is a polite society.
Then why are more people killed in USA than in countries like UK or France?
Do you think people are better in those countries? ???
Remember, guns aren't bad. People are.
Bump for answer
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Japan has one of the strictest gun laws in the world and BANG! look at this:
Murder rates vary greatly among countries and societies around the world. In the Western world, murder rates in most countries have declined significantly during the 20th century and are now between 1-4 cases per 100,000 people per year. Murder rates in Japan, Ireland and Iceland are among the lowest in the world, around 0.5; the rate of the United States is among the highest of developed countries, around 5.5 in 2004, with rates in larger cities sometimes over 40 per 100,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/crime.html
"Guns aren't bad, people are" is totally stupid, because it's bad people with guns that's the problem.
No guns = no shootings. <-- i guess this is very easy to understand. The more guns you have, the more it raises the likelyhood that someone gets shot. Think about all the kids that die because they 'play' with live guns at home.
No guns at home = no accidents with guns. <-- i guess this is very easy to understand.
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Japan has one of the strictest gun laws in the world and BANG! look at this:
That's why Japanese gangsters today are reduced to using ancient weapons. ;D
(http://www.filmbuffonline.com/Reviews/Images/KillBillVol1.1.jpg)
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That's why Japanese gangsters today are reduced to using ancient weapons. ;D
How about you address his post instead?
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How about you address his post instead?
Why? His is a good post. Personally, I've never owned nor fired a gun in my life.
In Cuba, civilians can't own guns of course. Castro wouldn't want the common folk to rise up with arms and overthrow him if they decided to. But as a result, gun related crime is extremely low, which is good.
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Why? His is a good post. Personally, I've never owned nor fired a gun in my life.
In Cuba, civilians can't own guns of course. Castro wouldn't want the common folk to rise up with arms and overthrow him if they decided to. But as a result, gun related crime is extremely low, which is good.
I don't think the reason why Castro is still in power is due to the strict gun laws in Cuba.
Then, why did the Bay of Pigs result in such a tremendous fiasco?
I'd venture a guess that the reason is because USA is still boycotting Cuba, effectively preventing any Western companies from establishing, thus keeping Cuba poor and helping Castro to mobilize the Cubans against an outer force.
There are such things as nationalism.
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I don't think the reason why Castro is still in power is due to the strict gun laws in Cuba.
Then, why did the Bay of Pigs result in such a tremendous fiasco?
I didn't say that. I agree with you. The Bay of Pigs didn't work because Castro had a lot of support from Cubans, at least back then. But gun control is one of many ways dictators make it difficult for people to overthrow them through violence.
I'd venture a guess that the reason is because USA is still boycotting Cuba, effectively preventing any Western companies from establishing, thus keeping Cuba poor and helping Castro to mobilize the Cubans against an outer force.
There are such things as nationalism.
You maybe right, but many Cubans believe that Castro has always welcomed the boycott because he keeps blaming the US and the boycott for all of Cuba's problems. If the boycott were lifted, they say, then Castro would have nobody and nothing to blame for the nation's problems anymore.
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Why? His is a good post. Personally, I've never owned nor fired a gun in my life.
But I do own a sword, not for self defence, but I will use it if a thief breaks into my home with a gun while I'm asleep at night. Then I will fight him in my underwear with my sword. It will be like 300 all over again.
(http://www.brooklandsvideo.com/300.jpg)
Then he will shoot me and I'll end up dead full of holes, just like King Leonidas. But hey, at least I will have died trying.
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lol ive been around guns all my life and have my ccp and if i were at the mall i would have stayed put with my gun and if i had a shot i would have taken it, i wouldnt go looking for the guy...also if i saw somebody running around with a gun that wasnt in a police uniform id probably shoot at them...so sorry 240 your 10 people running around to stop him would get shot at.
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Oh boy ::)
you're right, I clearly learned nothing of shooting growing up in Wyoming and my expert qualifications from the Marine Corps clearly remove me from being able to take someone out with one shot. Yes, yes, you're right to roll your eyes... I'm clearly talking out my ass...
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and also situations have occured where the gunman was taken down by unarmed citizens.
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How long would this rampage have lasted if everyone was walking around armed ;)
Below are some comments pulled from a write up by a guy who was not far from the shooter at the mall shooting in Omaha. It's a long read, but interesting. A few key comments of note he makes in his write up:
"Honestly, and as God as my witness, when I saw him shooting and as watched for a few seconds trying to figure out what he was going to do and what I should do, the thought that when through my mind was, "If I had a gun, I have a perfect shot."
And
"When I realized that I had no gun, fear instantly struck me, along with anger, and severe panic."
And
"I have completed the training class, but I keep putting off applying for the permit because I think it is useless. In the places I would need a gun most, I am not allowed to have it. I will not be a person living in fear and not go to Van Maur because they don?t allow guns."
And
"I am very angry at the city of Omaha and the mall for their stupid laws that nearly cost me my life. The laws protected no one, and in my opinion, caused people to die."
For those who wish to read this first hand account, I found it here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=322156
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Good add, Will.
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you're right, I clearly learned nothing of shooting growing up in Wyoming and my expert qualifications from the Marine Corps clearly remove me from being able to take someone out with one shot. Yes, yes, you're right to roll your eyes... I'm clearly talking out my ass...
Finally you understand ;D
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Below are some comments pulled from a write up by a guy who was not far from the shooter at the mall shooting in Omaha. It's a long read, but interesting. A few key comments of note he makes in his write up:
"Honestly, and as God as my witness, when I saw him shooting and as watched for a few seconds trying to figure out what he was going to do and what I should do, the thought that when through my mind was, "If I had a gun, I have a perfect shot."
And
"When I realized that I had no gun, fear instantly struck me, along with anger, and severe panic."
And
"I have completed the training class, but I keep putting off applying for the permit because I think it is useless. In the places I would need a gun most, I am not allowed to have it. I will not be a person living in fear and not go to Van Maur because they don?t allow guns."
And
"I am very angry at the city of Omaha and the mall for their stupid laws that nearly cost me my life. The laws protected no one, and in my opinion, caused people to die."
For those who wish to read this first hand account, I found it here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=322156
Will, why is it that there are so much fewer gun related kills in countries like Japan and England? Countries with stricter gun laws?
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Hedge, after 50 or 100 years, yes, America would have lower violence.
however, those 50 years would be a lawless clusterfvck of bad guys with already legal guns feasting on newly disarmed people.
Do you disagree?
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Finally you understand ;D
wanna try me 8)
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Hedge, after 50 or 100 years, yes, America would have lower violence.
however, those 50 years would be a lawless clusterfvck of bad guys with already legal guns feasting on newly disarmed people.
Do you disagree?
I am not sure honestly.
I definitely think something could be done, and it should start with the seizing of illegal weapons of course.
A major problem is that so many new weapons are getting out into circulation the whole time.
So have high taxes on guns, and the money from those taxes should be directly used in gun violence preventive programs, also to help victims in gun related violence.
Perhaps it is impossible to get rid of all guns.
But having strict control of those who buy guns, and also have some sort of skill test/theory test for those applying for a gun license.
It would keep a few bad seeds from owning a gun.
I'd like to see an effort to collect illegal guns. A big effort.
But also an effort to slow down the neverending flooding of guns into the US market by the weapon industry.
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I am not sure honestly.
I definitely think something could be done, and it should start with the seizing of illegal weapons of course.
A major problem is that so many new weapons are getting out into circulation the whole time.
So have high taxes on guns, and the money from those taxes should be directly used in gun violence preventive programs, also to help victims in gun related violence.
Perhaps it is impossible to get rid of all guns.
But having strict control of those who buy guns, and also have some sort of skill test/theory test for those applying for a gun license.
It would keep a few bad seeds from owning a gun.
I'd like to see an effort to collect illegal guns. A big effort.
But also an effort to slow down the neverending flooding of guns into the US market by the weapon industry.
Therein lies the problem. The massive overhaul of police procedure that would be required to get all the guns from all the criminals.
The US would be a virtual police state. Civil rights out the window. Police would have to literally shake down every person they saw, as either the crinimal element (or embedded generational belief that guns are an inherent right) simply wouldn't give their guns up.
Hedge, you gotta understand the American psychii. We grow up learning the bill of rights - Guns are like hammers or screwdrivers. They're tools. Tools you're supposed to have to fight not only crinimals, but to keep the govt honest. Even leading presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has said that people need guns to prevent a tyrannical govt. The top repub and a good bet to win the white house - admits there is a need to keep guns to keep govt honest.
So you'd have the poor criminals and every redneck in the country hiding his guns. And brutal police tactics required to stop it.
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Therein lies the problem. The massive overhaul of police procedure that would be required to get all the guns from all the criminals.
The US would be a virtual police state. Civil rights out the window. Police would have to literally shake down every person they saw, as either the crinimal element (or embedded generational belief that guns are an inherent right) simply wouldn't give their guns up.
Hedge, you gotta understand the American psychii. We grow up learning the bill of rights - Guns are like hammers or screwdrivers. They're tools. Tools you're supposed to have to fight not only crinimals, but to keep the govt honest. Even leading presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has said that people need guns to prevent a tyrannical govt. The top repub and a good bet to win the white house - admits there is a need to keep guns to keep govt honest.
So you'd have the poor criminals and every redneck in the country hiding his guns. And brutal police tactics required to stop it.
I think you make valid points about the cultural heritage, and how it cannot be ignored.
There is a problem: people are getting killed.
It seems seems likely that it is related to the amount of weapons in circulation.
How can this be addressed, without jeopardizing civil liberties?
I do not see the right to wear a gun as a civil liberty, but I can however see that there would be several problems, as you're implying, if trying to implement new, stricter gun laws.
It's not an easy issue. And believing that changing the gun laws to something like those of Japan, that is not gonna happen.
Still, something probably needs to be done.
The last few shootings indicates this, if nothing else.
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people don't get killed because there are guns.
people get killed because there is a huge culture of violence here.
people get killed because the laws let too many criminals go.
people get killed because morals aren't taught in schools anymore.
people get killed because the media glorifies murderers.
people get killed because nearly every major role model is a POS.
people get killed because the family unit here is shite.
people get killed because some have nothing to live for and the system fails them.
Violence is high here - not because we have guns - but because we're a bunch of immoral selfish pricks waddling about in a system run by immoral selfish pricks. Violence is high because we're violent people.
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It seems seems likely that it is related to the amount of weapons in circulation.
How can this be addressed, without jeopardizing civil liberties?
I do not see the right to wear a gun as a civil liberty, but I can however see that there would be several problems, as you're implying, if trying to implement new, stricter gun laws.
It's not an easy issue. And believing that changing the gun laws to something like those of Japan, that is not gonna happen.
Still, something probably needs to be done.
The last few shootings indicates this, if nothing else.
The amount of weapons is very nearly a FIXED factor. I mean, with all the police work in the world, all the rights violations and riots and whever, you're still going to have 50% of them buried in backyards.
The only VARIABLE factor is the person holding the gun. Fix the fucked up people.
Teach them right and wrong. Kick the POS politicians out of office and elect good men and women. Teach them teamwork, problem solving, and remove the high level of competition and winner takes all attitude. yes, a drop of socialism. Welfare and other progams do need to exist to keep the poor form getting desperate and sticking a kitchen knife in the gut of anyone with a wallet. If you don't want them here, then teach their parents to go to college an use condoms and not to smoke rock and fvck all day and make ten babies.
The system is creating - and perpetuating - immoral people who do stupid shit, including murder. Class economics and trained stereotype aid it, and the media glorifies it. And the PC bullshit means we can't tell kids it's wrong to do something without their insecure litigious father suing you over it.
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one of the problems is that most of the people commiting the atrocities are not getting their guns legally anyway, they are probably stolen and registered to someone else. So takeing guns away or taxing the legal gun owners is going to do nothing except make the people who would legally buy guns go underground and get them illegally to avoid taxes there by making them criminals in the process...not what we need.
And theres no way that the taxes of the guns should go to those who have been affected by gun violence Im sorry but youd have every gangbangers family standing in line SCREW THAT
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people don't get killed because there are guns.
people get killed because there is a huge culture of violence here.
people get killed because the laws let too many criminals go.
people get killed because morals aren't taught in schools anymore.
people get killed because the media glorifies murderers.
people get killed because nearly every major role model is a POS.
people get killed because the family unit here is shite.
people get killed because some have nothing to live for and the system fails them.
Violence is high here - not because we have guns - but because we're a bunch of immoral selfish pricks waddling about in a system run by immoral selfish pricks. Violence is high because we're violent people.
i was hoping to get some discussion on this one.
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people don't get killed because there are guns.
people get killed because there is a huge culture of violence here.
Yeah Bandura, and learned psychologists forgot to travel to Sudan to witness people's heads chopped off, or better yet Turkey where they hang the heads of thieves on their porch. How could we be so blind to the mayhem here in the US ::)
people get killed because the laws let too many criminals go.
Do the crime, pay the time no need to clog up the system any more, it should focus more on those individuals that WANT rehabilitation.
people get killed because morals aren't taught in schools anymore.
True. Sad we can't say the pledge of alligience our a prayer in school :'(
We should teach Country moral and values......does anyone even know what day Veterans Day is?
people get killed because the media glorifies murderers.
Media, is a "race to the bottom business"
people get killed because nearly every major role model is a POS.
Luckily more and more people are getting tired of Hollywood, and as soon as people such as Barbara Walters signals their end, then it will be a follow suit for fellow journalist
people get killed because the family unit here is shite.
Family units are weak because of increased industrialization, we can't have dual income earners and a strong family unit....
people get killed because some have nothing to live for and the system fails them.
The system works, but it can't keep giving
Violence is high because we're violent people.
Violence is a motivation, that is inherent, but mostly it is a evolved emotion of motivation....it can devolve and has greatly
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people don't get killed because there are guns.
people get killed because there is a huge culture of violence here.
people get killed because the laws let too many criminals go.
people get killed because morals aren't taught in schools anymore.
people get killed because the media glorifies murderers.
people get killed because nearly every major role model is a POS.
people get killed because the family unit here is shite.
people get killed because some have nothing to live for and the system fails them.
Violence is high here - not because we have guns - but because we're a bunch of immoral selfish pricks waddling about in a system run by immoral selfish pricks. Violence is high because we're violent people.
You gave quite a good list there WHY guns shouldn't be so easy to get. May i repeat?
people get killed because there is a huge culture of violence here.
people get killed because the laws let too many criminals go.
people get killed because morals aren't taught in schools anymore.
people get killed because the media glorifies murderers.
people get killed because nearly every major role model is a POS.
people get killed because the family unit here is shite.
people get killed because some have nothing to live for and the system fails them.
If nobody was able to get a gun a good deal of problems would be gone.
Guns may not kill people, but guns make it fucking easy for those with the above problems to decide to go out and shoot someone.
No guns = no shootings.
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You gave quite a good list there WHY guns shouldn't be so easy to get. May i repeat?
people get killed because there is a huge culture of violence here.
people get killed because the laws let too many criminals go.
people get killed because morals aren't taught in schools anymore.
people get killed because the media glorifies murderers.
people get killed because nearly every major role model is a POS.
people get killed because the family unit here is shite.
people get killed because some have nothing to live for and the system fails them.
If nobody was able to get a gun a good deal of problems would be gone.
Guns may not kill people, but guns make it fucking easy for those with the above problems to decide to go out and shoot someone.
No guns = no shootings.
Very true.
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some of you people are so fucking stupid. how are you going to get rid of the guns? stop living in a fantasy world. i would hide my guns all over the place,they would never find them.
just answer that simple question. how would collect them? not 50% of them.. all 100%
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some of you people are so fucking stupid. how are you going to get rid of the guns? stop living in a fantasy world. i would hide my guns all over the place,they would never find them.
just answer that simple question. how would collect them? not 50% of them.. all 100%
I want a front row seat, behind a mound of earth, to watch them go around to collect guns in Wyoming, Colorado, Texas etc. They had blackwater doing it in New Orleans, and that worked out for them, but hahaha... I sence they won't like the reaction they get going door to door when the get out west a bit :D
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some of you people are so fucking stupid. how are you going to get rid of the guns? stop living in a fantasy world. i would hide my guns all over the place,they would never find them.
just answer that simple question. how would collect them? not 50% of them.. all 100%
LOL>..... best post i've ever read from you! You're a cop and you know this. You know what people would do if they had to give them up.
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You gave quite a good list there WHY guns shouldn't be so easy to get. May i repeat?
people get killed because there is a huge culture of violence here.
people get killed because the laws let too many criminals go.
people get killed because morals aren't taught in schools anymore.
people get killed because the media glorifies murderers.
people get killed because nearly every major role model is a POS.
people get killed because the family unit here is shite.
people get killed because some have nothing to live for and the system fails them.
If nobody was able to get a gun a good deal of problems would be gone.
Guns may not kill people, but guns make it fucking easy for those with the above problems to decide to go out and shoot someone.
No guns = no shootings.
Einfach gesagt: Amiland ist fuer den Arsch!
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Einfach gesagt: Amiland ist fuer den Arsch!
america is for the ass? fuck off
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LOL>..... best post i've ever read from you! You're a cop and you know this. You know what people would do if they had to give them up.
and think about this.. no guns in america. now my wifes at home alone, some guy breaks in and he's got a knife. what is she going to do? nothing. shes fucking dead.
now go out to the country, were it can take police 30 minutes to get to. imagine if you were a thug, the'd go crazy knowing they can walk into a place and do whatever they want.
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and think about this.. no guns in america. now my wifes at home alone, some guy breaks in and he's got a knife. what is she going to do? nothing. shes fucking dead.
now go out to the country, were it can take police 30 minutes to get to. imagine if you were a thug, the'd go crazy knowing they can walk into a place and do whatever they want.
lol... i love you man! haha
national police response time is 11 minutes, I think.
how many women could hold off even an unarmed man for 11 minutes, even if she can get to call 911 first?
My thinking is that if they ever baned guns, you'd have so many roving unarmed gangs just taking what they want form people. A grown man cannot fight 4 guys. Small groups will start running shit, knowing they're not going to get a belly full of lead.
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No guns = no shootings.
LOL how naive are you...the only guns your gonna get are from the law abiding citizens that dont want to take the chance in getting caught with a gun...meaning all the criminals who are already breaking the law because they've got their guns illegally in the first place are the only ones with guns...thats just what we need
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I'm not anti-gun at all.....I fired my first pistol at age 2 (with a bit of help)
But, all I'm picturing in that scenario is a few middle aged women with gun in their left hand, right hand up covering their face....gun almost upside down, held up high almost over their head, firing randomly in the direction the gunman was in 30 seconds ago.
Ever see two cars try to merge into the same lane at the same time?
Two cars traveling 30 miles an hour come within 10 feet of each other and they yank the wheel 90 degrees in the opposite direction as if Zeus himself suddenly erupted from the center of that lane.
People shit their pants and nearly mow down a home when a squirrel runs in front of their car.
I don't see people dropping to one knee and taking aim with both hands firmly on their handgun.....
Man that is sexist beyond belief, ...but still made me laugh out loud. ;D
240, a very plausible and tragic end to your utopian scenario about many armed shopppers, is that one of those armed wouldbe good samaritan shoppers would take out the gunman, ...only to have another armed wouldbe good samaritan rounding the corner, and mistaking good samaritan #1 for the shooter, ...and take him out too, ...and so on & so on etc.,
I say him, 'cause as troponin clearly pointed out, ...women can't hold a gun straight! ::)
Hey troponin, wanna come over and hold an apple on your head while I play William Tell?
There's nothing to fear, ...I'm just a woman. ;D
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If you're a cop or otherwise trained, yes you would.
But i guarantee no 'normal' human being will be able to shoot straight in such a situation, when you are suddenly under fire in a totally normal environment with lots of other people running around, screaming, bleeding and so on.
First thing is, you will run, as fast as you can, then maybe when you feel safe you will check for your gun, but then it'll be too late for someone else.
I know people in law enforcement (sth. like a SWAT) that had to snipe someone and they say it's not easy, even if you know you have to to save innocents.
A friend of mine use to date a SWAT guy, (I won't say which state they're in) and she used to tell me the stories from their drills and trainings. I can't tell you how many times the SWAT guys ended up killing the hostages, or the innocent bystanders. She'd laugh, if you're ever gonna be in a crisis, pray the SWAT team isn't called to rescue you.
I highly doubt 300 armed shooters could take him out without there being a substantial amount of collateral damage. People panic, even when they see shooters in Police uniforms, I can't imagine the panic that would ensue seeing a civilian discharging a gun in a public place... let alone 300 armed civilians. That's simply a recipe for chaos
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people don't get killed because there are guns.
people get killed because there is a huge culture of violence here.
people get killed because the laws let too many criminals go.
people get killed because morals aren't taught in schools anymore.
people get killed because the media glorifies murderers.
people get killed because nearly every major role model is a POS.
people get killed because the family unit here is shite.
people get killed because some have nothing to live for and the system fails them.
Violence is high here - not because we have guns - but because we're a bunch of immoral selfish pricks waddling about in a system run by immoral selfish pricks. Violence is high because we're violent people.
I'm glad a patriotic, constitution-loving American said this and not me. :D
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and think about this.. no guns in america. now my wifes at home alone, some guy breaks in and he's got a knife. what is she going to do? nothing. shes fucking dead.
now go out to the country, were it can take police 30 minutes to get to. imagine if you were a thug, the'd go crazy knowing they can walk into a place and do whatever they want.
yes KH, good posts... gotta give credit when it's due 8)
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A friend of mine use to date a SWAT guy, (I won't say which state they're in) and she used to tell me the stories from their drills and trainings. I can't tell you how many times the SWAT guys ended up killing the hostages, or the innocent bystanders. She'd laugh, if you're ever gonna be in a crisis, pray the SWAT team isn't called to rescue you.
I highly doubt 300 armed shooters could take him out without there being a substantial amount of collateral damage. People panic, even when they see shooters in Police uniforms, I can't imagine the panic that would ensue seeing a civilian discharging a gun in a public place... let alone 300 armed civilians. That's simply a recipe for chaos
I hope you are talking about them "killing" people in drills and not in real life because you would be wrong. That is why you train, to perfect your skills. Even trained Spec Ops soldiers have training accidents so your logic is flawed there. SWAT teams are a great option in crisis situations and much better than a standard LEO.
It's not a matter of regular joes being able to hit the target, it's just a matter of crossfire or stray rounds. I think we should have the option to kill the person but I don't think that a regular person or 240 and his eager trigger finger would be the best option or willing to kill them. That being said, better to have that option than not.
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some of you people are so fucking stupid. how are you going to get rid of the guns? stop living in a fantasy world. i would hide my guns all over the place,they would never find them.
just answer that simple question. how would collect them? not 50% of them.. all 100%
Holy Cow, ...we actually agree on something! :o
I'm gonna go check the temperature outside, ...I think hell may be freezing over. ;D
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I hope you are talking about them "killing" people in drills and not in real life because you would be wrong. That is why you train, to perfect your skills. Even trained Spec Ops soldiers have training accidents so your logic is flawed there. SWAT teams are a great option in crisis situations and much better than a standard LEO.
Yes Cap, I'm refering to drills.
I'm sure when it has occasionally happened in real life, LEO's as you call them resort to a 'throw down' to try to cover it up.
It's not a matter of regular joes being able to hit the target, it's just a matter of crossfire or stray rounds. I think we should have the option to kill the person but I don't think that a regular person or 240 and his eager trigger finger would be the best option or willing to kill them. That being said, better to have that option than not.
Dah! And where do you suppose the "crossfire" & "stray rounds" come from? {lol}
From the shooter not hitting the target ...no? Or are you suggesting that bullets randomly fly out of the chamber? Or are you suggesting they may have magic bullets like Oswald had?
I don't like the idea of 300 armed shoppers either, but I sure as heck wouldn't advocate trying to collect people's guns. I'm sure there are a lot of trigger happy morons out there who shouldn't have guns, ...but I don't think 240 is one of them.
I think the solution to the gun problem in America is education. Your society advocates, and your constitution guarantees the people the right to bear arms, ...but doesn't teach the responsible use of those arms, ...or their original intended purpose from the founding fathers. This is the time, more so than any other time since the signing of the constitution that the right to bear arms in America is a necessity, but I think glorification of the gun and glorification of gun violence needs to stop.
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Yes, stray rounds come from the shooter. They aren't magic bullets. They also come from other shooters as well (ie citizens). My point is that in trying to shoot the target, not all bullets hit the intended object. This happens with Marines in Iraq so this is nothing new, who are trained ::).
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Yes, stray rounds come from the shooter. They aren't magic bullets. They also come from other shooters as well (ie citizens). My point is that in trying to shoot the target, not all bullets hit the intended object. This happens with Marines in Iraq so this is nothing new, who are trained ::).
So aren't we in essence saying the same thing? That 300 armed shoppers is going to lead to alot of collateral damage?
ps: I hear in the new Morgan Freeman / Angelina Jolie movie, ...bullets don't fly in straight lines. :o
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So aren't we in essence saying the same thing? That 300 armed shoppers is going to lead to alot of collateral damage?
ps: I hear in the new Morgan Freeman / Angelina Jolie movie, ...bullets don't fly in straight lines. :o
In a way, yes. I thought about this when I ran to the store. My problem was really with a crossfire situation, which is what I addressed with 240. Ricochets happen but not as much as people misfiring, NDing, or pulling the trigger without intention. If all 300 people pointed their guns at one guy, there would be no problem. However we all know that will never happen so no use arguing that. People ducking when bullets come their way, they turn with finger on the trigger, and hit another person. It happens but like most here have said, we will never get all the guns but people should be able to defend themselves.
PS, you are right except we can't manipulate the bullets the way the can. :'(
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These numbers are numbers that only a complete idiot would argue with ::) Even if wildly 300 people were amassed around the suspect, they're not all going to start blazing away at once ::) The odds of this happening are so beyond belief, one should be embarrassed for making some sort of an attempt at any kind of argument using them. Most people are going to immediately run for some kind of cover. In the mall, you can see he's walking not among masses of people everywhere, they've gone for the best cover they could find. In reality if there were armed citizens in the mall, he would been killed in the first encounters with someone armed. There's not going to be 300 people all firing at once so please stfu with the stupidity. There would be his innitial shooting victims and then him and if one innocent is killed in one of the innitial attempts to kill the shooter, oh please... what's the trade off huh? save him or her and let the shooter continue ::)
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These numbers are numbers that only a complete idiot would argue with ::) Even if wildly 300 people were amassed around the suspect, they're not all going to start blazing away at once ::) The odds of this happening are so beyond belief, one should be embarrassed for making some sort of an attempt at any kind of argument using them. Most people are going to immediately run for some kind of cover. In the mall, you can see he's walking not among masses of people everywhere, they've gone for the best cover they could find. In reality if there were armed citizens in the mall, he would been killed in the first encounters with someone armed. There's not going to be 300 people all firing at once so please stfu with the stupidity. There would be his innitial shooting victims and then him and if one innocent is killed in one of the innitial attempts to kill the shooter, oh please... what's the trade off huh? save him or her and let the shooter continue ::)
I totally agree. I think it would suck that someone could get shot by another civ with a CCW but it happens with LEOs, military, etc. Nobody will argue that a trained person should be allowed to take people like this down but I would also worry that some trigger happy dude like 240, ready to get his gun on, would shoot me trying to play cowboy. I'll take my chances either way though. Better to have the guns and work to better train shooters than not have guns at all.
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240 and his eager trigger finger would be the best option or willing to kill them. That being said, better to have that option than not.
Nah, ya got me all wrong. I'm prepared but I pray I'll never have to ever draw my weapon. I got punched once in my early 20s thanks to the kids I was with, and I never pulled my gun. I've been in tight situations and never pulled it. I've had people talk shit in traffic a million times, never revealed it.
I vehemently defend the 2nd amendment, and I hope that if I never need to use it. But reality is, the world is dangerous. SW Fla saw another home invasion in middle of night last night. WTF is wrong with people? I sure as hell wish police could sweep up all the crinimals and solve every crime so I wouldn't have to think like this. But the bad guys are out there, and you just never know.
I'm not paranoid. I just like to use a little risk assessment. Let's say there is a .00001% chance I will be carjacked today. Very small. But the outcome - losing car or possibly being shot - outweighs the small chance of it happening, and I carry my weapon and watch my rear view.
I don't like it. I would love to go back to not worrying about stuff like this. But like most of us, I realize bad shit happens to good people sometimes. And my own brother would be dead 2 years now if he hadn't fired in self defense.
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Ok ok, you guys convinced me.
The best thing for a peaceful USA is to give EVERYONE, from 5 years old on a submachine gun.
i mean, think about what a 8 year old can do if he gets harassed by a 10 year old who wants to beat him up?
My wife is alone at home and someone she doesn't know sneaks around the house?? Pump a fucking magazine or two into his ass! Doesn't matter that it was the 15 year old son coming home drunk, it coulda been a murderer.
Granny has to shit in the middle of the night and walks down the hall when she sees a shadow! BANG 12gauge to the head! Oops, Grandpops was too old anyways!
Give everyone a gun, then we'll finally be able to defend ourselves against anything!!
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Ok ok, you guys convinced me.
The best thing for a peaceful USA is to give EVERYONE, from 5 years old on a submachine gun.
i mean, think about what a 8 year old can do if he gets harassed by a 10 year old who wants to beat him up?
My wife is alone at home and someone she doesn't know sneaks around the house?? Pump a fucking magazine or two into his ass! Doesn't matter that it was the 15 year old son coming home drunk, it coulda been a murderer.
Granny has to shit in the middle of the night and walks down the hall when she sees a shadow! BANG 12gauge to the head! Oops, Grandpops was too old anyways!
Give everyone a gun, then we'll finally be able to defend ourselves against anything!!
Ausgezeichnet!
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Ok ok, you guys convinced me.
The best thing for a peaceful USA is to give EVERYONE, from 5 years old on a submachine gun.
i mean, think about what a 8 year old can do if he gets harassed by a 10 year old who wants to beat him up?
My wife is alone at home and someone she doesn't know sneaks around the house?? Pump a fucking magazine or two into his ass! Doesn't matter that it was the 15 year old son coming home drunk, it coulda been a murderer.
Granny has to shit in the middle of the night and walks down the hall when she sees a shadow! BANG 12gauge to the head! Oops, Grandpops was too old anyways!
Give everyone a gun, then we'll finally be able to defend ourselves against anything!!
yea, that's what we were trying to convince you of ::)
Oh I almost forgot: MELTDOWN ;D
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yea, that's what we were trying to convince you of ::)
Oh I almost forgot: MELTDOWN ;D
;D ;D
If i had a gun i would shoot you now to prove my point and make my embarassing post forgotten... ::) ::)
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;D ;D
If i had a gun i would shoot you now to prove my point and make my embarassing post forgotten... ::) ::)
Answer his honestly, if a person was trying to rob or kill you and your family and has a gun, what are you going do? I should be able to shoot that person and save my/my family's life. Is that wrong? Don't blame gun violence on responsible adults, blame it on people with mental issues and the gang banging thugs who are too wimpy and insecure to handle their problems like men.
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Answer his honestly, if a person was trying to rob or kill you and your family and has a gun, what are you going do? I should be able to shoot that person and save my/my family's life. Is that wrong? Don't blame gun violence on responsible adults, blame it on people with mental issues and the gang banging thugs who are too wimpy and insecure to handle their problems like men.
idiocy.
take away guns and violence drops at once. Japan and a few other asian countries are the best example.
A robber will rob you, no matter what! BUT if he has to assume that you will shoot him, he will be ready to shoot you.
If the robber assumes that you get shitscared and give away your money when he robs you with a banana hid in his pocket it will work better for him. ;D
ROBBERY is about money, the deaths occur when you take out your guns. When i get robbed, i give my money and save my life, i would never risk getting out a gun and starting a shooting with some insane fucker that robs me.
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idiocy.
take away guns and violence drops at once. Japan and a few other asian countries are the best example.
A robber will rob you, no matter what! BUT if he has to assume that you will shoot him, he will be ready to shoot you.
If the robber assumes that you get shitscared and give away your money when he robs you with a banana hid in his pocket it will work better for him. ;D
ROBBERY is about money, the deaths occur when you take out your guns. When i get robbed, i give my money and save my life, i would never risk getting out a gun and starting a shooting with some insane fucker that robs me.
Du verschwendest deine Zeit hier, indem Du ueber dieses Thema mit Amis streitest. Die Amis sind besessen von Gewehren und meinen, sie wuerden fuer gesellschaftliche Sicherheit sorgen. Ich habe mehrmals mit Amis darueber diskutiert und habe mehrere Beispiele angefuehrt, wie das alles ohne Gewehr sein kann. Sie sehen es nicht ein.
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idiocy.
take away guns and violence drops at once. Japan and a few other asian countries are the best example.
A robber will rob you, no matter what! BUT if he has to assume that you will shoot him, he will be ready to shoot you.
If the robber assumes that you get shitscared and give away your money when he robs you with a banana hid in his pocket it will work better for him. ;D
ROBBERY is about money, the deaths occur when you take out your guns. When i get robbed, i give my money and save my life, i would never risk getting out a gun and starting a shooting with some insane fucker that robs me.
And to prevent future capture. Look at the doctor's wife and daughter in the Northeast.
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Robbery is not just about money. That person is not stable and prolly whacked on drugs.
Defend yourself and ELIMINATE THE THREAT ASAP!! CCW permits should be allowed nation wide by
supreme court ruling.
This aint Europe kids. Never gonna get rid of guns here. Dont like it, say away....
Im headin to the range to warm up my AK now.... see ya... ;)
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idiocy.
take away guns and violence drops at once. Japan and a few other asian countries are the best example.
A robber will rob you, no matter what! BUT if he has to assume that you will shoot him, he will be ready to shoot you.
If the robber assumes that you get shitscared and give away your money when he robs you with a banana hid in his pocket it will work better for him. ;D
ROBBERY is about money, the deaths occur when you take out your guns. When i get robbed, i give my money and save my life, i would never risk getting out a gun and starting a shooting with some insane fucker that robs me.
Robbery happens a lot less in states with CCW permits.
www.packing.org
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Our Euro friends have NO Comprehension of what its like in the big USA cities.
If your easy meat here, your DONE. Got Glock?
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Our Euro friends have NO Comprehension of what its like in the big USA cities.
If your easy meat here, your DONE. Got Glock?
no shit. the % of a criminal having a gun there is near zero.
Here? You'd bet your ass he'll be armed. However, since the 10/20/life billboards are everywhere, and here in redneck country nearly everyone is a pissed off, jerky-eating bearded prick with a cock eye for no-gooders, you just don't see muggings. Strong deterrants. What skinny junkie will, in his right mind, grab the door handle of a 30-50 y/o male in Fla? Very few.
Seriously, you'll have the junkies rob each other of course. But for the most part, anytime you hear about a crime of robbery on the news, about half the time you'll hear about the homeowner protecting himself. About once a month a bad guy gets dead doing a robbery in SW florida.
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Du verschwendest deine Zeit hier, indem Du ueber dieses Thema mit Amis streitest. Die Amis sind besessen von Gewehren und meinen, sie wuerden fuer gesellschaftliche Sicherheit sorgen. Ich habe mehrmals mit Amis darueber diskutiert und habe mehrere Beispiele angefuehrt, wie das alles ohne Gewehr sein kann. Sie sehen es nicht ein.
Ich weiss. ;D ;D
Ich kippe nur gerne etwas Benzin ins Feuer um zu sehen wie die Idioten sich hier aufregen. ;D ;D
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SPeak Englosh GodDamn Krauts...!!!!! ;D
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Brutal monolingualism. Will you shoot me now?
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Brutal monolingualism. Will you shoot me now?
No, but you can come over and go to the range with me if you like.... ;D
You may learn to enjoy shooting....
As if you speak much Japoneessseeee? How'z She and you?
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No, but you can come over and go to the range with me if you like.... ;D
You may learn to enjoy shooting....
As if you speak much Japoneessseeee? How'z She and you?
Fine, we're enjoying life as much as always!
;D ;D
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Fine, we're enjoying life as much as always!
;D ;D
Buy her a gun for your anniversary. Small frame Glock 9mm is good for Asian girls.
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Buy her a gun for your anniversary. Small frame Glock 9mm is good for Asian girls.
::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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(http://xxxspacegirls.us/TGP/Masuimi_Max/alien-capture/images/MasuimiMaxSpaceWarrior2_0066.jpg)
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::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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OH My!!! Angelina Jolie's got some major competition! Talk about a set of dsl's. {giggle}
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OH My!!! Angelina Jolie's got some major competition! Talk about a set of dsl's. {giggle}
;D
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That's true; the USA IS dangerous and that is why I have no desire to live there anymore. I remember growing up in NYC and doing the 'stare at the subway floor routine so as to not rouse attention'...not pleasant. Though Korea is a shithole, at the very least it is a safe country.
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That's true; the USA IS dangerous and that is why I have no desire to live there anymore. I remember growing up in NYC and doing the 'stare at the subway floor routine so as to not rouse attention'...not pleasant. Though Korea is a shithole, at the very least it is a safe country.
Well,,,, Its not to dangerous out here in the corn field wiht me... ;D
Oh Oh I might hit a deer on the way to the store Help help.... ;D
A couple areas in the BIg city near me are bad. I would carry one of my handguns there if I could get a permit in my state.
Ill have to just shoot them here in the back yard...
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Well,,,, Its not to dangerous out here in the corn field wiht me... ;D
Oh Oh I might hit a deer on the way to the store Help help.... ;D
A couple areas in the BIg city near me are bad. I would carry one of my handguns there if I could get a permit in my state.
Ill have to just shoot them here in the back yard...
fierce. ::) ::)
I hope you never lose your job at McDonald's. ;D ;D
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fierce. ::) ::)
I hope you never lose your job at McDonald's. ;D ;D
They FIRED me for eating 2 many 1/4 pounders and Humping the fat girl manager in the closet...
Gun Haters... Makes me want to go run a box of 240 grains thru my 44mag!!
You need MAN hands to shoot one of them bitches Donk! It'd get right away from your girly german hands... ;D ANd besides, you'd have nowhere to shoot it wher you live anyway.
You have your video games, I have a gun collection to make a 3 man SEAL team happy.
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They FIRED me for eating 2 many 1/4 pounders and Humping the fat girl manager in the closet...
Gun Haters... Makes me want to go run a box of 240 grains thru my 44mag!!
You need MAN hands to shoot one of them bitches Donk! It'd get right away from your girly german hands... ;D ANd besides, you'd have nowhere to shoot it wher you live anyway.
You have your video games, I have a gun collection to make a 3 man SEAL team happy.
fierce.
i rather shoot aliens on Metroid Prime, if i lose i can start over again. The problems on running amok is you have only one credit and it always ends with a game over. ;D ;D
If i ever come to the US, i'll give you a call, let's go hunting bigfoot or musclebears. ;D ;D
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fierce.
i rather shoot aliens on Metroid Prime, if i lose i can start over again. The problems on running amok is you have only one credit and it always ends with a game over. ;D ;D
If i ever come to the US, i'll give you a call, let's go hunting bigfoot or musclebears. ;D ;D
Oh, Dude, dont get me started,,,,, I didnt even thiink how many GBers SHOULD be SHOT!!
I never seen any bigfoot here, but some of the Fat Girls maybe mistaken for them... ;D
Too many Deer for sure, a woman got killed lasst month near me when one came thru her car windshield..
About 5 PPL a year die in my state like that...
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Oh, Dude, dont get me started,,,,, I didnt even thiink how many GBers SHOULD be SHOT!!
I never seen any bigfoot here, but some of the Fat Girls maybe mistaken for them... ;D
Too many Deer for sure, a woman got killed lasst month near me when one came thru her car windshield..
About 5 PPL a year die in my state like that...
Can you please relate that to the number of deaths by gunshot wounds in your state per year? ;D ;D
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Can you please relate that to the number of deaths by gunshot wounds in your state per year? ;D ;D
Well, if we didnt kill 1/2 a million deer each year that 5 ppl would be much more.
Basicly you couldnt drive anywhere w/ out hitting one in some areas... Gets a little expensive.
Wi dont have a high murder rate, and remember SOME OF THEM DESERVER TO BE SHOT.
THEY GET COUNTED TOO.
Preach your anitGun shit in Europe, It'll never fly over here.... Millions of guns. Tahts the way we like it.
Much of America is NOT urban, its wild ass country still... Big country over here Donk.... Germany is a dustspeck compared...
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Well, if we didnt kill 1/2 a million deer each year that 5 ppl would be much more.
Basicly you couldnt drive anywhere w/ out hitting one in some areas... Gets a little expensive.
Wi dont have a high murder rate, and remember SOME OF THEM DESERVER TO BE SHOT.
THEY GET COUNTED TOO.
Preach your anitGun shit in Europe, It'll never fly over here.... Millions of guns. Tahts the way we like it.
Much of America is NOT urban, its wild ass country still... Big country over here Donk.... Germany is a dustspeck compared...
::) ::) ::)
Brutal teaching a european about north america...
Like i said, you already convinced me, no guns in europe, and a gun for everyone in the US.
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Brutal teaching a european about north america...
Like i said, you already convinced me, no guns in europe, and a gun for everyone in the US.
Der Gewehrtyp da oben ist aber so richtig bauernhaft, was?! :o
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Der Gewehrtyp da oben ist aber so richtig bauernhaft, was?! :o
hehe, well, most of the US is wild ass country, and the rest is cities flooded with criminals, you're simply FORCED to wear weapons everywhere you go!
BANG!
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hehe, well, most of the US is wild ass country, and the rest is cities flooded with criminals, you're simply FORCED to wear weapons everywhere you go!
BANG!
F'in A-RIght! What if a rabid Squirle attacks onthe way to my wood shed? Huh? Ever think of that?
Damn right I cary a AK out there at night... (could be MONSTERS too :'( ;D You clearly dont get Skoobie Doo in German >:()
You Pussies dont have to be afraid of shit like that,,,,, we face death on a daily basis here in the wildernessssss......
Now STFU and go eat German food (raw fish for Donk)
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F'in A-RIght! What if a rabid Squirle attacks onthe way to my wood shed? Huh? Ever think of that?
Damn right I cary a AK out there at night... (could be MONSTERS too :'( ;D You clearly dont get Skoobie Doo in German >:()
You Pussies dont have to be afraid of shit like that,,,,, we face death on a daily basis here in the wildernessssss......
Now STFU and go eat German food (raw fish for Donk)
I'd rather take a rocket launcher, it could be a alien squirrel with a squirrel spaceship after all.
What d you have against german food?
Wurst and Bier, is there anything greater? Arnold's basis was built on this!
(http://www.rettet-das-mittagessen.de/blog/wp-content/140906Weisswurst2.jpg)
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I'd rather take a rocket launcher, it could be a alien squirrel with a squirrel spaceship after all.
What d you have against german food?
Wurst and Bier, is there anything greater? Arnold's basis was built on this!
(http://www.rettet-das-mittagessen.de/blog/wp-content/140906Weisswurst2.jpg)
Koestlich........mmmmmmm mmm....Weisswurst mit suessem Senf...........wie sehr ich sie vermisse.... :-[
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If not for the Beer, you'd ALL DIE < 20 yrs old from cholesterol....
Im mostly German,,,, My area is full of Pork Hock eaters.... And they all have Guns too!
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If not for the Beer, you'd ALL DIE < 20 yrs old from cholesterol....
Im mostly German,,,, My area is full of Pork Hock eaters.... And they all have Guns too!
I'm "mostly" german.
Oh how i like these guys.
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I'm "mostly" german.
Oh how i like these guys.
Oh,,,,Your a PureBred German... ::) Many Americants dont know where the fuck they came from.
(Yes,even the White ones)
I do,,,, Mostly Krauts on both sides and some Irish for stubborn....
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Oh,,,,Your a PureBred German... ::) Many Americants dont know where the fuck they came from.
(Yes,even the White ones)
I do,,,, Mostly Krauts on both sides and some Irish for stubborn....
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Eigentlich soll ich die Kraeuter hassen, denn die Kraeuter haben meine Ahnen umgebracht.
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Eigentlich soll ich die Kraeuter hassen, denn die Kraeuter haben meine Ahnen umgebracht.
Langsam wird's melodramatisch.... ::)
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Langsam wird's melodramatisch.... ::)
Ich wollte nur dat Wort 'Kraeuter' benutzen.
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Ich wollte nur dat Wort 'Kraeuter' benutzen.
Ist dir gelungen! ;D ;D ;D
Ok, enough for today, i have to shoot someone thing. ;D ;D
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Ist dir gelungen! ;D ;D ;D
Ok, enough for today, i have to shoot someone thing. ;D ;D
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oh look, getbig's language expert chimed in...
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oh look, getbig's language expert chimed in...
Einmal!!
Was mit dem gewesen? Bist du mich beloget an der geheimrat denklichkeit?
Ja, ja gefühl dich,
Die bekloppten Japaner:
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oh look, getbig's language expert chimed in...
Was fuer 'n musikalisches Wunder! :o :o :o
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Improvement from the #2 DJ in the world...
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Einmal!!
Was mit dem gewesen? Bist du mich beloget an der geheimrat denklichkeit?
Ja, ja gefühl dich,
Die bekloppten Japaner:
hilarious!! ;D ;D
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1. Speak English, its the True master language ;D
2. Get a gun, or move to where you can, at least Hege can own guns I think...
we know better than let PUREBRED GERMANS ::) OWN GUNS...
And another thing, you are not the most stubborn people on Earth anymore.
Youve lost your title to the Chineeze.
Yes, you are stubborn (and Dumb) but the Chineeze have you beat hands down (and they R smarter 2).... Face it, your failing badly.... Its the food...
Come to AMerica before the Euro gets correctly valuated at about .03 Cents...
Surrender now... We have more guns in American Farm country corn fields than your whole army.
(And the RedNecks to use them..)
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1. Speak English, its the True master language ;D
2. Get a gun, or move to where you can, at least Hege can own guns I think...
we know better than let PUREBRED GERMANS ::) OWN GUNS...
And another thing, you are not the most stubborn people on Earth anymore.
Youve lost your title to the Chineeze.
Yes, you are stubborn (and Dumb) but the Chineeze have you beat hands down (and they R smarter 2).... Face it, your failing badly.... Its the food...
Come to AMerica before the Euro gets correctly valuated at about .03 Cents...
Surrender now... We have more guns in American Farm country corn fields than your whole army.
(And the RedNecks to use them..)
Agree entirely. What a noble language it is. ;D
English is the language of Tea and Scones, fox hunting and bobbies.
(http://www.ourwardfamily.com/1800s/London_Bobby_on_traffic_duty_-_1.JPG)
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..and of course the home of the ministry of the silly walks ;):
(http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/yyy/silly-walk.jpg)
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1. Speak English, its the True master language ;D
2. Get a gun, or move to where you can, at least Hege can own guns I think...
we know better than let PUREBRED GERMANS ::) OWN GUNS...
And another thing, you are not the most stubborn people on Earth anymore.
Youve lost your title to the Chineeze.
Yes, you are stubborn (and Dumb) but the Chineeze have you beat hands down (and they R smarter 2).... Face it, your failing badly.... Its the food...
Come to AMerica before the Euro gets correctly valuated at about .03 Cents...
Surrender now... We have more guns in American Farm country corn fields than your whole army.
(And the RedNecks to use them..)
::) ::)
Wait til i get a gun into my hands!
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;D
I need to post a pic of the extreme danger I live with daily :'(
Then you fuckers will understand why we need guns here!!! ;)
HedgehogY, they MAKE you own guns in your country I thought?
For as many guns as there are in the USA its amazing there are as few deaths.
A local gun show would blow you Euro guys minds.....
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE ATTACKER AT THE RECENT CHURCH SHOOTING WAS KILLED BY ARMED CITIZEN?
Media dont like that story. Its not the 1st time they didnt cover that same thing with a big shooting story.
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;D
I need to post a pic of the extreme danger I live with daily :'(
Then you fuckers will understand why we need guns here!!! ;)
HedgehogY, they MAKE you own guns in your country I thought?
For as many guns as there are in the USA its amazing there are as few deaths.
A local gun show would blow you Euro guys minds.....
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE ATTACKER AT THE RECENT CHURCH SHOOTING WAS KILLED BY ARMED CITIZEN?
Media dont like that story. Its not the 1st time they didnt cover that same thing with a big shooting story.
The military industry is well-developed, and has more or less been able to hold the national military armed on its own in the past, from handguns to RPG's and machine guns.
Hunting is quite big too, moose especially, so there is a market for that as well, so there are a few domestic brands in that category.
Regarding the last shooting... It's a tragedy. How can anyone think there are not too many weapons in circulation when stuff like that happens?
The question remains though what can be done, the guns are already out there, as 240 or Bust has pointed out.
How can we make sure that every gun owner will act responsible?
That's the million dollar question.
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You cant, and the people that should not have guns are not going to give them up;
Frankly, I dont think they could ban guns, there'd be so much political problems it would not fly.
Concealed Carry is a better answer to big city crime.
Out by me it couldn't be safer, and most everyone owns guns. esp the old timers that lived out here in the farmlands from birth..
TV gives a very distorter view of America. Totally twisted.
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You cant, and the people that should not have guns are not going to give them up;
Frankly, I dont think they could ban guns, there'd be so much political problems it would not fly.
Concealed Carry is a better answer to big city crime.
Out by me it couldn't be safer, and most everyone owns guns. esp the old timers that lived out here in the farmlands from birth..
TV gives a very distorter view of America. Totally twisted.
Trab's Neighbors...
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/rednecks.jpg)
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Darlin', you've perhaps not completely understood the American Constitution:
they have the right to bear arms.
in England guns are illegal
xL
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Darlin', you've perhaps not completely understood the American Constitution: they have the right to bear arms.
Wanna discuss the 26 murdered young boys in England where guns are illegal?
xL
Whom are you addressing?
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Who are you talkin' to, you talking to me?
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Who are you talkin' to, you talking to me?
Yes, it would appear to be the case.
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Yes, it would appear to be the case.
Careful, she might mistake you for a molester and shoot you. ::)