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http://www.fitness.ee/main.php?main=huvitav/fitnesstv/index&top=top.blue#treening
(I don't know what language is that......look for dorian yates at the various links and click on it!)
Dorian training in some country in Europe, during seminar. Perfect movements, as always. Something Coleman could learn, some day..... ;D
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Perfect movements, as always. Something Coleman could learn, some day..... ;D
Looks like 'perfect movements' don't matter.
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Great post !!
Yates looking young and healthy. Good business man too!
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looking good...
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Looks like 'perfect movements' don't matter.
HUmmm....yeah. Ronnie exemplifies the epytome of a healthy body. You go tell that to his tri, lat and quad, all fucked up. Now you're gonna tell me that Yates, with all of his perfect technique fucked himself up, too. Ok, I'll give you that.
But every reasonable, inteligent trainer knows that Yates style is much more protective of the body instead of Ronnie's style.
I don't wanna turn this thread in another truce one. Enough of that bullshit. Both of them are excelent athletes, and that's that. This thread is only meant to allow Yates' fans to get a glimpse at him training nowadays, as a testament of his love for training and that he still practices what he preaches.
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anyone can use strict form when using a light weight. hell, you see the guys with 13" arms do it in the gym all day.
dorian did not use this form when he was rowing 400 plus pounds.
hope this helps.
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Using a full range of motion with heavy weight can damage joints. Partial range of motion is enough stimulation.
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anyone can use strict form when using a light weight. hell, you see the guys with 13" arms do it in the gym all day.
dorian did not use this form when he was rowing 400 plus pounds.
hope this helps.
This makes too much sense to register on this forum.
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Looks great, hard to believe he is the same monster from years ago.
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anyone can use strict form when using a light weight. hell, you see the guys with 13" arms do it in the gym all day.
dorian did not use this form when he was rowing 400 plus pounds.
hope this helps.
Yes he did. Dorian maintained strict form on ALL exercises. He went to the gym to train his muscles, not his ego. Dorian rowed 215lb DBs for 15 reps with the exact same form as he did in this video.
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Looks great, hard to believe he is the same monster from years ago.
Dorian personifies the true professional bodybuilder.
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Yes he did. Dorian maintained strict form on ALL exercises. He went to the gym to train his muscles, not his ego. Dorian rowed 215lb DBs for 15 reps with the exact same form as he did in this video.
So it mysteriously went from 12 to now 15 reps?
But Dorian was bench pressing over 500lbs in 1992 as well as 215lb dumbell rows for 12 easy reps.
Granted I haven't seen lots of Dorian's footage, however I did see Blood and Guts long time ago and I think he did 405 for barbell rows for 6-8 reps? Pretty good, but not as strong as you would need to be to dumbell row 215 for 12-15.
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So it mysteriously went from 12 to now 15 reps?
Granted I haven't seen lots of Dorian's footage, however I did see Blood and Guts long time ago and I think he did 405 for barbell rows for 6-8 reps? Pretty good, but not as strong as you would need to be to dumbell row 215 for 12-15.
It was 415 and it was at the end of his workout ;) Yates has poundages higher than 415 listed in his journal for barbell rows. This is no different than Nasser only benching 315 on his video being at the end of the workout. You wouldn't say he couldn't bench 405 just becuase he only did 315 on tape ;)
As for the DB row, I haven't consulted Dorian's book in a while. It was either 12 or 15 reps. My apologies if the number of reps is not exact :D
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It was 415 and it was at the end of his workout ;) Yates has poundages higher than 415 listed in his journal for barbell rows. This is no different than Nasser only benching 315 on his video being at the end of the workout. You wouldn't say he couldn't bench 405 just becuase he only did 315 on tape ;)
As for the DB row, I haven't consulted Dorian's book in a while. It was either 12 or 15 reps. My apologies if the number of reps is not exact :D
Nasser was actually incline benching 315 at the end, which I think is equivalent to about 405 at the start.
I'll give you benefit of the doubt with the dumbell row rep inconsistency ;) ...although I'm curious if Hulker, Pumpster, etc. will give the same benefit of the doubt :D
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I don't care what anybody says but Dorian used great form considering the weight he used in Blood and Guts. He is one of the strongest bodybuilders ever because of it.
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Yes he did. Dorian maintained strict form on ALL exercises. He went to the gym to train his muscles, not his ego. Dorian rowed 215lb DBs for 15 reps with the exact same form as he did in this video.
challenge for the day: take another look at video footage of dorian actually rowing 400+, except this time try looking at the bar movement, his body position and the plane of motion, as opposed to just the usual focusing on his nutsack.
hint: if dorian's form on 400+ rows was so good, why did he tear a bicep while performing what is supposed to be a back exercise?...
oh, "because he was pre-contest"?...hmm, how come ronnie was able to do the same exercise + about 80lbs more weight + apparently 'sloppy form' PRE-CONTEST and not tear his bicep ??? :-\
oh... that's right, you're full of shit again. ;)
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With all these injurys has he had any of his biceps surgically repaired or any of his torn muscles
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challenge for the day:
if dorian's form on 400+ rows was so good, why did he tear a bicep while performing what is supposed to be a back exercise?...
One reason is because, at that point, Dorian favored using an underhand grip (palms up) during the exercise. This puts the biceps at a disadvantage when rowing, putting more strain on them. Dorian himself cites this as the reason why his bicep tore.
I'm sure being pre-contest didn't help much, but that was not any reason why I would say it tore. Sure, he was low in body fat, didn't have ample nutrients in his body due to contest time etc...however I think the biggest factor was the aforementioned position of his grip, causing the tear after a number of years using the grip, perhaps due to a pattern overload-but who knows if he switched up grips or anything of the sort. ???
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challenge for the day: take another look at video footage of dorian actually rowing 400+, except this time try looking at the bar movement, his body position and the plane of motion, as opposed to just the usual focusing on his nutsack.
hint: if dorian's form on 400+ rows was so good, why did he tear a bicep while performing what is supposed to be a back exercise?...
oh, "because he was pre-contest"?...hmm, how come ronnie was able to do the same exercise + about 80lbs more weight + apparently 'sloppy form' PRE-CONTEST and not tear his bicep ??? :-\
oh... that's right, you're full of shit again. ;)
455 reverse grip row while precontest. A lot more strain on the weak bicep muscle.
By the way, Dorian and his expert form pwn all the Dorian haters out there. Considering nobody on here will build his size or lift his weights I'd say it's a moot point.
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One reason is because, at that point, Dorian favored using an underhand grip (palms up) during the exercise. This puts the biceps at a disadvantage when rowing, putting more strain on them. Dorian himself cites this as the reason why his bicep tore.
I'm sure being pre-contest didn't help much, but that was not any reason why I would say it tore. Sure, he was low in body fat, didn't have ample nutrients in his body due to contest time etc...however I think the biggest factor was the aforementioned position of his grip, causing the tear after a number of years using the grip, perhaps due to a pattern overload-but who knows if he switched up grips or anything of the sort. ???
Great post, incredible strength with that type of movement
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Yes he did. Dorian maintained strict form on ALL exercises. He went to the gym to train his muscles, not his ego. Dorian rowed 215lb DBs for 15 reps with the exact same form as he did in this video.
are you the guy who says that on the beginnig of his video? because it looks like the same phrase ;D
Dorian had perfect form but that didnt stoped him to get injuries
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It was 415 and it was at the end of his workout ;) Yates has poundages higher than 415 listed in his journal for barbell rows. This is no different than Nasser only benching 315 on his video being at the end of the workout. You wouldn't say he couldn't bench 405 just becuase he only did 315 on tape ;)
As for the DB row, I haven't consulted Dorian's book in a while. It was either 12 or 15 reps. My apologies if the number of reps is not exact :D
The revisionist history from this groupie is priceless-obviously he was right there with Yates for every workout. ::)
Damn good form here considering the weight, but not strict.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x26wpu_rowing-yates_extreme
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Dorian couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag training wise.
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Dorian couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag training wise.
Thats harsh, Dorian intensity was incredible.No 800 pound squats but what you do with the weight that counts.
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Thats harsh, Dorian intensity was incredible.No 800 pound squats but what you do with the weight that counts.
::)
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challenge for the day: take another look at video footage of dorian actually rowing 400+, except this time try looking at the bar movement, his body position and the plane of motion, as opposed to just the usual focusing on his nutsack.
hint: if dorian's form on 400+ rows was so good, why did he tear a bicep while performing what is supposed to be a back exercise?...
oh, "because he was pre-contest"?...hmm, how come ronnie was able to do the same exercise + about 80lbs more weight + apparently 'sloppy form' PRE-CONTEST and not tear his bicep ??? :-\
oh... that's right, you're full of shit again. ;)
From what I've seen his form didn't change much at all when he added weight.
It's possible that the strict motion was one of the reasons for his tears. There was tremendous tension when the muscle was extended fully. Unlike Coleman where he uses momentum and swinging to get the weight moving. Coleman kicked with his legs to get the weight moving. Dorian pulled with the back and arms only.
Dorian was a machine when training. Like a piston moving up and down. Precise movements.
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From what I've seen his form didn't change much at all when he added weight.
It's possible that the strict motion was one of the reasons for his tears. There was tremendous tension when the muscle was extended fully. Unlike Coleman where he uses momentum and swinging to get the weight moving. Coleman kicked with his legs to get the weight moving. Dorian pulled with the back and arms only.
Dorian was a machine when training. Like a piston moving up and down. Precise movements.
you haven't seen much then.
he stood up straighter, elbows lower and the rom was shorter.
he was bloody strong and it was good rom for the weight, but let's not be naive here.
the reverse grip was not the problem and certainly not in the extended position (think ronnie's underhand on a pre-contest 800lb deadlift - bicep remained intact).
the problem may well have been dorian's form. pulling that weight and attempting to hold it at the top of the movement put unnecessary strain on the bicep muscle.
ronnie did use some body momentum as any extremely strong individual does. he was simply using his brain. trying to do stupid and unnecessary intensity techniques with very heavy weights is not. you don't see andy bolton attempting a super slow negative with a 1000lb deadlift.
at the end of the day, ronnie used much heavier weights than dorian and, funnily enough, had a lot more muscle tissue on his frame than dorian did, so comparing how they happened to move the weights is the moot point.
still, dorian was considered the world's best built man...with a badly torn bicep!... :-[
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Ive seen the majority of training tapes and dvds and ive yet to see a bodybuilder use the same prescise form with there top weights as yates did,, there've been many stronger but all were bouncy reps, he was always in control of the weight used
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I'll prerface this by saying that Dorian is my all-time favorite bodybuilder.
Dorian Yates was the hardest-training human being I've ever seen.
Ronnie Coleman is NOT human! He is/was a specimen unto himself.
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you haven't seen much then.
he stood up straighter, elbows lower and the rom was shorter.
What I meant was that he stood in the same angle throughout his weight pyramid up to the heaviest set. Yes he stood quite erect. However, he didn't jerk the weight and then lower his torso to meet the bar like Coleman and Johnnie Jackson do for example.
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The underhand grip was the reason for Yates's tear. He switched to overhand and was fine.
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1) Coleman rows with an overhand grip. When you use a reverse grip and supinate the forearm, you bring the biceps into play. Try doing a strict reverse barbell row and a sloppy, swinging overhand. The difficulty of the lift and the stress on the biceps is blatantly obvious in favor of the Yates row if you have ever tried these exercises
2) Yates notes that he took his barbell rows to utter failure. When he could no longer perform full reps he would do 1/2 reps, then 1/4 reps until finally the bar would no longer move. Now imagine doing this with 455 lbs and on a reduced calorie diet.
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The shadow still looks good. good thread
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The shadow still looks good. good thread
yeah i'm surprised, he still looks to be carrying good size, i'd guess 225-230.
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The revisionist history from this groupie is priceless-obviously he was right there with Yates for every workout. ::)
Damn good form here considering the weight, but not strict.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x26wpu_rowing-yates_extreme
How much stricter do you want it? ::) As strict as Coleman I suppose? ::)
415lbs considering his latissimus was already heavily exhausted from several hard sets of pulldowns and machine rows combined with textbook form is elite.
Show the godfather of muscle some respect ;)
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Using a full range of motion with heavy weight can damage joints. Partial range of motion is enough stimulation.
for real?
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The revisionist history from this groupie is priceless-obviously he was right there with Yates for every workout. ::)
Damn good form here considering the weight, but not strict.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x26wpu_rowing-yates_extreme
Strictest Barbell Rows I've seen on a pro considering the weight.
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anything negative said about Yates is shit talking.
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anything negative said about Yates is shit talking.
Talk about blanket statements.
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Dorian is 44-45 carrying a lean 230 or so lbs at 5'9". Looks great.
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the overhand grip still very strongly affects the biceps (anyone with an understanding of kinesiology would know that). the problem was that the underhand grip + rom + plane of motion + intensity technique ie attempting to hold and slow movement excessively, caused his biceps excessive and unnatural strain.
if it was only the combination of underhand grip + great tension (weight), then powerlifters (who use one underhand hook) would be tearing biceps all the time. as i implied, bolton would have tore his biceps years ago, and don't give me the pre-contest nutrient debit bullshit again because ronnie was using an underhook pre-contest pulling 800lbs (twice as much weight as yates) and when you combine the expolsive and ballistic power that ronnie ripped it off the ground (as opposed to dorian's slower, more controlled movement) the bicep on the underhand grip, going on the theories expounded here, should have popped like a balloon at a 6 year olds birthday party.
again, it wasn't the total tension (alone) on the underhand grip that caused the tear, it was dorian's intensity techniques and form + the other factors that tore it.
when he switched to an overhand grip, his rom was actually lower if you compare clips with similar weight being used (there is no point at all comparing clips of him demonstrating without the tension factor and not using weights that challenge him).
note: i'm not questioning dorian's credentials, knowledge or success. i would be a fool to do so, the guy was mr o. i'm strictly and only commenting on what imo caused the man's bicep tear and questioning whether it was necessary to perform the cauing protocol to develop his back (seeing as it was his bicep that ruptured)
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if it was only the combination of underhand grip + great tension (weight), then powerlifters (who use one underhand hook) would be tearing biceps all the time. as i implied, bolton would have tore his biceps years ago, and don't give me the pre-contest nutrient debit bullshit again because ronnie was using an underhook pre-contest pulling 800lbs (twice as much weight as yates) and when you combine the expolsive and ballistic power that ronnie ripped it off the ground (as opposed to dorian's slower, more controlled movement) the bicep on the underhand grip, going on the theories expounded here, should have popped like a balloon at a 6 year olds birthday party.
I'm pretty sure Ronnie said that he injured the bicep on the supinated arm on the 800 deadlift. That bicep was down in size after that.
Andy Bolton has torn his bicep as well, back in 1999. Bicep tears in the supinated arm is very common among powerlifters. Often it happens because they bend the arm instead of using it as a hook.
Here's a pretty recent clip where a powerlifter tears a bicep (on the supinated arm):
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I'm pretty sure Ronnie said that he injured the bicep on the supinated arm on the 800 deadlift. That bicep was down in size after that.
Andy Bolton has torn his bicep as well, back in 1999. Bicep tears in the supinated arm is very common among powerlifters. Often it happens because they bend the arm instead of using it as a hook.
Here's a pretty recent clip where a powerlifter tears a bicep (on the supinated arm):
true, but once you bend that arm, that is when you put the bicep in the precarious position with the other factors ie tension, contributing.
simply having the hand supinated and placed under tension (while safely performing the exercise ie no unnatural movements) has proved to be quite safe. accidents will happen occasionally, but more often than not, it's how you move the tension than the tension itself. i seem to recall dorian saying that, because of his lack of concentration while dieting his form went askew. makes sense when you consider the enormous amount of strain his intensity techniques was causing.
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god damn, just watched that, but i can see how he caused excessive strain on his supinated bi, arm was bending more as he completed the lift.
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the overhand grip still very strongly affects the biceps (anyone with an understanding of kinesiology would know that)
No it doesn't. The biceps only comes into play if you supinate your forearm.
If you want proof of this go do a standard barbell curl and a reverse grip barbell curl. You will use much greater poundages on the former because the latter is only employing the brachioradialis.
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No it doesn't. The biceps only comes into play if you supinate your forearm.
If you want proof of this go do a standard barbell curl and a reverse grip barbell curl. You will use much greater poundages on the former because the latter is only employing the brachioradialis.
Bollocks! Do a reverse grip barbell curl, overhand pulldown or chin up and you willsee that the biceps gets a strong pump without "supination".
I can't believe we need to point that out.
Biceps functions:
1. arm flexion
2. arm supination
You donn't need to supinate to involve the biceps.
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Bollocks! Do a reverse grip barbell curl, overhand pulldown or chin up and you willsee that the biceps gets a strong pump without "supination".
I can't believe we need to point that out.
Biceps functions:
1. arm flexion
2. arm supination
You donn't need to supinate to involve the biceps.
The biceps are playing a greatly diminished role whenever your forearm is not supinated. Again, this is why you chins ups are easier than pullups. Are you claiming that reverse grip barbell curls and overhand barbell curls involve the biceps to the same degree? ???
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Anyone know Dorian's current training routine? Is he still doing high intensity etc etc ?
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Anyone know Dorian's current training routine? Is he still doing high intensity etc etc ?
I believe he has said he trains 3 days a week now. But he is focusing on his health and not size. He is doing a lot more martial arts, boxing, cardio, etc.
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I believe he has said he trains 3 days a week now. But he is focusing on his health and not size. He is doing a lot more martial arts, boxing, cardio, etc.
Cheers Mate. Just wondered as he looks better now than in his heyday. Congrats Dorian
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good link..
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Cheers Mate. Just wondered as he looks better now than in his heyday. Congrats Dorian
There are some short clips on him on YouTube training in his Temple Gym. He still has ripped abs, check it out:
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his face looks pretty craggy but his physique is way better than internet rumor would have you believe
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The biceps are playing a greatly diminished role whenever your forearm is not supinated. Again, this is why you chins ups are easier than pullups. Are you claiming that reverse grip barbell curls and overhand barbell curls involve the biceps to the same degree? ???
You need to learn to read pal.
In your original post you said biceps ONLY come into play when you supinate.
Now "they play a greatly diminished role"
Make up your mind pal.
I challenged your ignorant statement by highlighting just how stupid it was showing that supination isnt required for bicep involvement and now your changing your mind.
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You need to learn to read pal.
In your original post you said biceps ONLY come into play when you supinate.
Now "they play a greatly diminished role"
Make up your mind pal.
I challenged your ignorant statement by highlighting just how stupid it was showing that supination isnt required for bicep involvement and now your changing your mind.
The original statement was that an overhand barbell row still greatly affects the biceps. If, by that, he meant there is a great musculo-skeletal strain on the biceps and bicipital aponeurosis, then yes. However, in the pronated position, the biceps are weakly able to contract. It's mostly the brachioradialis that is flexing the forearm, not the biceps. This is why chin ups are easier than pullups and why your biceps will be much more sore after doing strict reverse barbell rows compared to overhand rows. For a further example, let's look at the squat. Toward the very bottom of the squat, the hamstring muscles (sans the short head of the biceps femoris) are acting on two joints - the knee and the hip. However, nobody says they are working hamstrings when they do a squat. Sure, there is some hamstrings involved, but it's not playing a massive role nor are the hamstrings in their most powerful contracting position. It's the same deal with overhand barbell rows.
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The original statement was that an overhand barbell row still greatly affects the biceps. If, by that, he meant there is a great musculo-skeletal strain on the biceps and bicipital aponeurosis, then yes. However, in the pronated position, the biceps are weakly able to contract. It's mostly the brachioradialis that is flexing the forearm, not the biceps. This is why chin ups are easier than pullups and why your biceps will be much more sore after doing strict reverse barbell rows compared to overhand rows. For a further example, let's look at the squat. Toward the very bottom of the squat, the hamstring muscles (sans the short head of the biceps femoris) are acting on two joints - the knee and the hip. However, nobody says they are working hamstrings when they do a squat. Sure, there is some hamstrings involved, but it's not playing a massive role nor are the hamstrings in their most powerful contracting position. It's the same deal with overhand barbell rows.
Epic attempt at ignoring the main point.
You said "ONLY" comes into play.
Stop backtracking.
You've merely stated the obvioius above in an attempt to justify that blanket statement.
The biceps are strongly involved in pronated movements just not a strongly recruited as when you perform movements when your grip is supinated.
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Epic attempt at ignoring the main point.
You said "ONLY" comes into play.
Stop backtracking.
You've merely stated the obvioius above in an attempt to justify that blanket statement.
The biceps are strongly involved in pronated movements just not a strongly recruited as when you perform movements when your grip is supinated.
The biceps are not strongly involved. If this wasn't the case there wouldn't be such a dramatic difference in the difficulty of chin ups compared to pull ups ;)
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There are some short clips on him on YouTube training in his Temple Gym. He still has ripped abs, check it out:
Nice one
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Bollocks! Do a reverse grip barbell curl, overhand pulldown or chin up and you willsee that the biceps gets a strong pump without "supination".
I can't believe we need to point that out.
Biceps functions:
1. arm flexion
2. arm supination
You donn't need to supinate to involve the biceps.
Obvious to those who actually work out. Biceps come in to play to a significant but lesser degree with the usual grip.
I'll never understand underhanded rows to begin with, for this reason. Plenty of other grips work the lats as well or better.
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Obvious to those who actually work out. Biceps come in to play to a significant but lesser degree with the usual grip.
I'll never understand underhanded rows to begin with, for this reason. Plenty of other grips work the lats as well or better.
Preference. Yates claimed that the underhand grip worked his lower lats better.
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Dorian Yates...blah!
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Dorian couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag training wise.
This is an exaggeration. Dorian actually could hold his own against Coleman on several back exercises, like barbell row, T-bar row and even to some degree on the deadlift.
I once saw a training pictorial of Dorian and Francois in FLEX back in 1997 where Dorian did 5 plates a side on the barbell row for 6 reps. This is roughly as much as Coleman did. He also did 6 pltes a side on the deadlift. far from Ronnie's 9 plates a side for a double, but Dorian did 8 reps.
Overral, Coleman is stronger, but don't talk like Dorian had the strengh of a kid next to Ronnie because it just isn't true. Oh, I forgot to mention that Dorian's form was perfect, unlike Ronnie's cheating training style.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I trained back with both of these guys and duplicated both techniques. I used almost half the amount of weight when training with Yates in comparison to Coleman due to the strict form. Not taking any sides, just telling how it is.
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Dorian couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag training wise.
dumbest comment ever.
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Dorian couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag training wise.
worst comment ever.
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The biceps are not strongly involved. If this wasn't the case there wouldn't be such a dramatic difference in the difficulty of chin ups compared to pull ups ;)
brilliant and very comprehensive answer. i can just tell that you really know what you're talking about. :D
you're an idiot. ;)
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Dorian couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag training wise.
Dumbest comment ever. Please suicide yourself.
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his face looks pretty craggy but his physique is way better than internet rumor would have you believe
His face always looked this way.
I think he looks damn good and healthy today.
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great dorian still looking awesome.
everyone here should be inspired by that.
boxing/kick boxing clips: umm...not so inspiring. don't want to rag on the man. HE IS AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND and there is no taking away from his accomplishments. he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone because he's already done it.
however :), when one posts tube of himself, one must be ready for criticism...
he's in his 40s and still massive. he's obviously trying to make an impression because he's loading up his punches and you can see them coming from next week, which is a very bad combination with the fact that he drops his guard right after delivering the strike. fact is, a trained fighter will easily slip that left right and rocket a left hook right hand combo to that wide open chin.
he is way too front on and he's only thinking about dropping the right hand (for impressiveness i suppose) ie his jab is pure arm punch (easily slipped and countered), off balance (because he's already getting ready for his sunday best right hand) and then he (eventually) delivers a right hand that has decent power but little pop. not bad though and his body mechanics with the right hand are fairly decent, apart from where his right hand ends up after the strike, which is baaaad. problem is, he'll never land it on a good fighter though. said fighter will see the wide open front on stance with no protection of his chin and if he hasn't khtfo at that point, he will when he sees that jab.
his round house kick ??? hmmm, let's not even go there. i've seen 70 yr old grannies quicker and more efficient.
if i was doz i would put the revenge (against the guy that beat him up) thing on hold or he's going to get the same result.
all due respect to yates, i had to do that. great to see the man fighting fit and good luck to him, but for fuck's sake, don't post shit on youtube that just makes you look like an attention whoring clown and nothing else. :-[
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(http://www.dorianyates.net/graphics/Jaystevegoodweb.jpg)
he's still bigger and more ripped than Jay.
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Yates didn't have Jay anywhere near winning the Olympia this year. Yates calls it as it is. He believes he deserved all of his titles. I agree.
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god damn, look at jay.
smooth as a baby's ass.
where the fuck is the separation, definition. hell, his bis and tris were barely separated from his delts. no serratus/hardness. fuck, don't remind me of the biggest fraud in the history of mr o.
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Dorian couldn't carry Ronnie's gym bag training wise.
Chubby, you're an ignorant ass and a training illiterate. Please, delete your account here and save us the displeasure of reading things like these. :-\
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great dorian still looking awesome.
everyone here should be inspired by that.
boxing/kick boxing clips: umm...not so inspiring. don't want to rag on the man. HE IS AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND and there is no taking away from his accomplishments. he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone because he's already done it.
however :), when one posts tube of himself, one must be ready for criticism...
he's in his 40s and still massive. he's obviously trying to make an impression because he's loading up his punches and you can see them coming from next week, which is a very bad combination with the fact that he drops his guard right after delivering the strike. fact is, a trained fighter will easily slip that left right and rocket a left hook right hand combo to that wide open chin.
he is way too front on and he's only thinking about dropping the right hand (for impressiveness i suppose) ie his jab is pure arm punch (easily slipped and countered), off balance (because he's already getting ready for his sunday best right hand) and then he (eventually) delivers a right hand that has decent power but little pop. not bad though and his body mechanics with the right hand are fairly decent, apart from where his right hand ends up after the strike, which is baaaad. problem is, he'll never land it on a good fighter though. said fighter will see the wide open front on stance with no protection of his chin and if he hasn't khtfo at that point, he will when he sees that jab.
his round house kick ??? hmmm, let's not even go there. i've seen 70 yr old grannies quicker and more efficient.
if i was doz i would put the revenge (against the guy that beat him up) thing on hold or he's going to get the same result.
all due respect to yates, i had to do that. great to see the man fighting fit and good luck to him, but for fuck's sake, don't post shit on youtube that just makes you look like an attention whoring clown and nothing else. :-[
I recorded and posted on youtube
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http://www.fitness.ee/main.php?main=huvitav/fitnesstv/index&top=top.blue#treening
(I don't know what language is that......look for dorian yates at the various links and click on it!)
Dorian training in some country in Europe, during seminar. Perfect movements, as always. Something Coleman could learn, some day..... ;D
I once saw a training pictorial where Dorian barbell rows 5 plates a side for 6 strict reps. He was insanely strong in this exercise. I think the barbell row is one of the exercises where Dorian could match a prime Ronnie for strengh.
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(http://www.dorianyates.net/graphics/Jaystevegoodweb.jpg)
he's still bigger and more ripped than Jay.
Indeed, "m8".